[00:27] <Riddell> starcraftman: going to become a Kubuntu ninja?
[00:28] <starcraftman> Riddell: I dunno about ninja, don't they usually run into trouble against pirates? I'll settle for helping a bit and learning :)
[00:29] <starcraftman> oh wait, already got ninja outfit.
[00:29] <WikiNinja> hmmm, was more amusing back when I registered it.
[00:32] <starcraftman> Riddell: kinda quiet in evening eh?
[00:54] <Riddell> starcraftman: it is this evening at least
[00:54] <Riddell> but do stick around
[00:57] <nigelb> oh, starcraftman, heya :)
[00:57] <Riddell> and if you're interested in helping out let us know what sort of area you might find interesting
[01:08] <starcraftman> hi nigelb :)
[01:09] <starcraftman> Riddell: not quite sure what exactly to help with, I've used linux a long while and do program but not that particular with programming for linux projects.
[01:14] <DarkwingDuck> Hey starcraftman 
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman, Riddell. Riddell, starcraftman. Riddell, starcraftman is another possible... helper for apachelogger 
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:15] <starcraftman> hola DarkwingDuck, every time I see your name the 90s hit me like a brick :)
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe that's the point
[01:15] <maco> ^_^
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> It was either DarkwingDuck or DuckTails
[01:16] <maco> Riddell: does "exciting" have a 'c' yet?
[01:16] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: darkwing eats ducks for breakfast!
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> ;)
[01:16] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: what does apachelogger need help with?
[01:18] <jjesse> evening :)
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger is on in the mornings our time...
[01:18] <starcraftman> oh hey there jjesse :)
[01:19] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: I see, prolly should log in from work I guess.
[01:19] <starcraftman> Do get a bit busy though usually.
[01:23] <jjesse> que pasa starcraftman
[01:25] <starcraftman> jjesse: oh not much atm, just relaxing after a long day.
[01:26] <jjesse> me 2
[01:26] <jjesse> just catching up on email, etc after being onsite at a customers
[02:14] <ScottK> starcraftman: One thing that would be interesting to know is how much more space it would take if we shipped Firefox instead of rekonq.  It's an analysis piece of work, but useful for also learning a bit about how things are arranged.
[02:17] <starcraftman> ScottK: considering making the switch based on user demand?
[02:18] <ScottK> starcraftman: Based on I've about given up on there ever being a KDE based browser that doesn't totally suck.
[02:18] <starcraftman> ScottK: lol
[02:19] <ScottK> We've always dismissed the idea due to the thought that it would take up too much space, but because we ship OOo (or LO), we probably have most of the libraries already.
[02:19] <starcraftman> ScottK: wasn't arora kinda coming along based on webkit? Haven't checked it recently.
[02:19] <ScottK> It was.
[02:19] <ScottK> We shipped rekonq last cycle as default (which is also webkit based).
[02:20] <ScottK> It's better, but it's a one man project and I don't feel it's got long term potential.
[02:21] <claydoh> ScottK: and ff 4 is shaping up rather nicely, and is very snappy on my old hardware
[02:21] <starcraftman> ScottK: I see, alright well I guess I'll look into this then as I get some free time. 
[02:22] <nigelb> ScottK: I thought rohan was putting work into Rekonq?
[02:22] <nigelb> (oh, is he the "one man"?)
[02:22] <ScottK> No.
[02:22] <ScottK> He's helping out a bit, but the original developer who's name I forget makes all the decisions.
[02:23] <nigelb> Ah.
[02:23] <ScottK> claydoh: I heard that about FF4.
[02:23] <claydoh> ScottK: it sure is, using it as my default the past3 or 4 days
[02:24] <nigelb> claydoh: PPA or from the website?
[02:24] <claydoh> I am a rekonq fanboi and ff4 is nicer
[02:25] <claydoh> dunno if FF4 is lighter than rekonq, but it sure is snappy
[02:25]  * ScottK is pretty sure FF3 was lighter than rekonq.
[02:25] <nigelb> \o/
[02:26] <claydoh> ScottK: it is dog slow on my pentium 4
[02:27] <ScottK> However slow it is, my experience has been Rekonq is slower.
[02:27] <ScottK> Rekonq is, however, faster than Konqueror.
[02:28] <claydoh> agreed
[02:29] <ScottK> It also lacks Konqueror's one (for me) killer feature: being able to right click on a link and pick open with to decide which application to open the link target with.
[02:30] <ScottK> Rohan offered to implement this, but upstream rejected is as not like a modern web browser.
[02:30] <claydoh> agreed x2
[02:31] <claydoh> that's silly, considering
[02:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: Due to a lack of icecreaming in the kde trunk build, I just kicked off a qt-x11 4.7.1 build living on system #2 (with the ice cream magic hopefully copied over correctly).  This won't finish due to lack of hard drive space, but I want to make sure it still builds with the old gcc as far as I can.
[05:09] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197941 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ (3 files) Separate widget construction/app info population in the ApplicationDetailsWidget
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> ld seems pretty messed up at the moment
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> can't resolve symbols in KIO even though I am already explicitly linking it. :/
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> binutils-gold for the win
[05:13] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197942 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsWidget.cpp We can't call fetchScreenshot before setApplication
[05:14] <JontheEchidna> bleh, got late
[05:14] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[09:10] <hrw> qt4-x11 still building
[09:15] <al> how about chromium as default browser?
[09:38] <shadeslayer> so any l10n ninjas around?
[09:39] <shadeslayer> im done with KDE 4.5.3 for lucid
[09:39] <shadeslayer> just need to upload kde-l10n
[09:39] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[09:39] <shadeslayer> which do i use? trunk? the lucid branch?
[09:40] <freeflying> I'm wondering why fonts being set to dejavu in rekonq by default
[09:41] <shadeslayer> freeflying: afaik there was a discussion about this as well on the Mailing list
[09:41] <shadeslayer> but i cant remember when
[09:42] <freeflying> shadeslayer, didn't notice it before, if so, set to dejavu is really a bad idea for a i18ned application
[09:44] <shadeslayer> oh snap
[09:44] <shadeslayer> launchpad going offline in 10 mins
[10:29] <steveire> apachelogger: re Grantlee l10n: I wrote a abstract interface and implemented it for QLocale and for KLocale
[10:29] <hrw> ScottK: had to reboot board - no way to give you timing of qt4-x11 build
[10:29] <shadeslayer> lp is kaboom
[10:32] <Riddell> silly qt marking files as being made in 1970
[10:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im all done with the base system ... kde-l10n awaits .... but lp is offline right now :(
[10:43] <freeflying> Riddell, how to request on remove a app from repo in ubuntu? file a bug?
[10:49] <debfx> Riddell: is the timestamp of header files set to 1970?
[10:51] <Riddell> debfx: yes
[10:51] <Riddell> freeflying: file a bug subscribe ubuntu-archive
[10:52] <freeflying> Riddell, thanks
[10:55] <debfx> Riddell: you need to revert http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/releases/commit/b2643a207a23599dbf1aec37cd2b6f8adae1e2dd
[10:56] <debfx> I commented on the bug saying that the feature is broken, but no response so far
[10:56] <debfx> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-12731
[10:58] <Riddell> mm, well spotted debfx, thanks
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so people @ rekonq think we already have too many widgets in urlbar, and adding a clear button would clutter it
[11:02] <shadeslayer> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-November/001825.html
[11:03] <Riddell> that's a valid concern
[11:04] <shadeslayer> and showing it in the urlbar for a short period of time doesnt make sense as well....
[11:04] <Riddell> no, it should either be there or not
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please add your suggestions to rekonq ML ....
[11:05] <Riddell> my suggestion is to add it :)
[11:06] <shadeslayer> then say so on the Mailing list ^_^
[11:07] <Riddell> I should send the complete wishlist to the mailing list
[11:09] <shadeslayer> probably yes
[11:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: rekonq weirdness: http://imagebin.ca/view/Hb9Xa8fK.html and in chrome: http://imagebin.ca/view/EeGpqD.html
[12:24] <hrw> linking libraries takes eons
[12:25] <hrw> I wonder how much memory is needed to link qt libs
[12:25] <hrw> 750MB ram + 1GB swap was not enough... oom kicked in
[12:29] <shadeslayer> jussi: no idea... :(
[12:30] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/ubuntu-cycling-jersey-now-on-sale/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg%21+Ubuntu%21%29
[12:42] <nigelb> Unless its Kubuntu he's not going to buy
[12:45] <shadeslayer> hehe.... get a big K stamped before Ubuntu?
[12:50] <ScottK> hrw: OK.  Thanks for trying.
[13:08] <ScottK> Ohhhhh. agateau got one of the fancy arm netbooks.  Now I know who else will test plasma-netbook.
[13:08] <agateau> ScottK: for now it's a nice glassy black box, nothing else :/
[13:09] <agateau> ScottK: but I have hope to get it back to something usable
[13:09] <ScottK> agateau: Yes, but once there's a kernel ....
[13:09] <agateau> :)
[13:10] <ScottK> agateau: We do want to look into trying to thin down what runs by default on arm to make the arm experience better and I'd love to have your help in that work.
[13:10] <hrw> agateau: kde4/maverick starts on efikasb
[13:10] <agateau> hrw: Yes, I tried it
[13:11] <agateau> hrw: was quite slow though
[13:12] <shadeslayer> if only someone would make project neon work on ARM
[13:12] <hrw> shadeslayer: what it is?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> hrw: Nightly builds of KDE
[13:12] <hrw> agateau: I would say 'unusable' rather
[13:12] <shadeslayer> sandboxed in /opt/project-non
[13:12] <shadeslayer> *neon
[13:12] <agateau> hrw: heh, I try to keep a positive approach :)
[13:12] <hrw> shadeslayer: with speed of arm it would rather be weekly builds
[13:13] <shadeslayer> heheh .....
[13:13] <hrw> agateau: I tried. but it took several minutes to boot to plasma-netbook
[13:13] <shadeslayer> not with ScottK having a whole Data center of ARM builders in his basement
[13:13] <hrw> agateau: now I have xubuntu-desktop
[13:13] <agateau> hrw: right now I have shiny-black desktop :)
[13:13] <hrw> agateau: anyway wait for 2d/3d acceleration stuff
[13:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Nightly is optimistic, but I've two boxes allocated for this purpose so it ought to be doable on a reasonable interval.
[13:14] <ScottK> I don't think there's much point in doing the /opt thing for arm though.
[13:15] <ScottK> Anyone playing with an arm box at this stage better not absolutely need a working KDE.
[14:04] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198121 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) More separation of the application pointer and class constructors.
[14:08] <shadeslayer> bah.... kde l10n takes epic long
[14:11] <Riddell> rdieter_work: does fedora use ibus or something else for input methods?
[14:12] <arpan> shadeslayer: what is a good start point for a user to follow the kubuntu ninja path?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> arpan: Step 1> Poke apachelogger for minion status
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Step 2> Get access to ktown and ninja PPA
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Step 3> Read the ninja wiki
[14:13] <shadeslayer> wait.. that should be step 0 ^
[14:13] <arpan> shadeslayer: thanks
[14:13] <shadeslayer> arpan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/
[14:13] <rdieter_work> Riddell: ibus *I think*, but I'm largely blissfully ignorant of the details.
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do i just ignore some of the errors poping up? about the files that are missing
[14:14]  * arpan bookmarks ninja wiki
[14:14] <Riddell> rdieter_work: it does seem like a topic nobody west of 80E longitude wants to consider :)
[14:15] <Riddell> arpan: do some packaging would be the best place to start
[14:15] <rdieter_work> Riddell: heh, others know more than I (Kevin_Kofler, ltinkl, I believe are more on top of that than I)
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: umm, depends on the errors
[14:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Are you the koffice minion?  Someone ought to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/676398
[14:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: lex did the last release
[14:16] <shadeslayer> i was with you guys when it was released :D
[14:16] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> arpan: ^^ job for new ninjas :D
[14:17] <ScottK> More examples of you not working aren't helping your case for promotion.
[14:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No, I think that one will take some experience.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> oic
[14:17] <apachelogger> steveire: isnt that what qtranslator does already?
[14:17] <arpan> Riddell: thanks. I will look into packaging.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im busy struggling with kde l10n stuff right now :P
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: such as : svn: File not found: revision 1198123, path '/trunk/l10n-kde4/fr/messages/extragear-sdk/extragear-sdk_kdevplatform.po'
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh that's fine, just means there's no translation
[14:18] <shadeslayer> ohk
[14:18] <steveire> apachelogger: Partly/possibly. But that doesn't include localaization, just strings.
[14:18] <apachelogger> I see
[14:18] <arpan> shadeslayer: wouldn't it be too early for me to look into bug fixing? :?
[14:19] <ScottK> OK.  Subscribed him to the bug.
[14:19] <steveire> My stuff does more too, allowing multiple locales which are different from the app locale
[14:19] <shadeslayer> arpan: not really.... do you know packaging?
[14:19] <arpan> tried gnu/hello example on wiki
[14:19] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:19] <arpan> shadeslayer:^^
[14:19] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not sure I agree with that koffice bug, installing libpg and libsybase isn't very problematic.  working out what package you need to install to get kexi talking to your database would be
[14:19] <shadeslayer> arpan: do this, grab some KDE packages and go through them
[14:20] <arpan> shadeslayer:ok. and where do i find them? LP?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> like... grab a package from maverick and try backporting it to lucid ( just to see what you need to change etc )
[14:20] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I think we need to have a dialogue with upstream about this then.
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:20] <ScottK> "If you would make it easier to ... then we could ..." and we'd all be happy.
[14:20] <arpan> shadeslayer:ok. thanks.
[14:22]  * arpan is looking for kde packages on LP.
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how long does the build script take?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> for kde l10n 
[14:44] <shadeslayer> its been over 2 hours i think.....
[14:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not fast, but you should be able to work out what language it has got to from the output?
[14:46] <Riddell> freeflying: ping, I need information on the kubuntu_90_webkit_htmlxml_gb_gb18030_detect.diff patch in qt4-x11
[14:47] <Riddell> is there any background information?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> kde-l10n-lt
[14:50] <freeflying> Riddell, its for some web page include gbk encoding, which can't be detected correctly
[14:50] <freeflying> Riddell, and been tested in other distro
[14:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still some time to go then
[14:54] <Riddell> freeflying: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15407
[14:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:17] <dasKreech> ScottK: yes but that is also part of the division.
[15:18] <dasKreech> ScottK: sorry responding to your statement yesterday that Ubuntu ships as part of the default
[15:19] <shadeslayer> kde-l10n-sr_4.5.3 .... bah
[15:24] <ScottK> dasKreech: Sure.  I agree with that.  I think it's useful though to point out that the issue people have with experimentation is not the experiment, but the defaultness of it.
[15:26] <dasKreech> ScottK: yes but also they don't have a lot of say into if it can be default or the discussion as to what is default
[15:26] <apachelogger> still no sheytan
[15:26] <dasKreech> Which wasn't an issue while they were not doing experiments since it was a simple swap
[15:26] <ScottK> dasKreech: How many non-Canonical core-dev work on Ubuntu desktop?
[15:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you have any brilliant ideas about ice cream and kdesrc-build, now would be a good time.
[15:27] <dasKreech> ScottK: I don't even know how many canonical work on Ubuntu desktop
[15:27] <ScottK> Not sure either.
[15:27] <dasKreech> I once figured that Canonical employs about 80 people but i suppose I was guessing really high
[15:27] <ScottK> But the answer for non-Canonical is AFAIK none.
[15:28] <ScottK> Maybe at the time, but it's much larget than that now.
[15:28] <ScottK> So if no one but Canonical people are doing the work on Ubuntu desktop, I think it's reasonable for them to decide.
[15:28] <ScottK> That doesn't mean I particularly agree with their decisions, but I think it's reaonable.
[15:29] <txwikinger> Is Wayland really an alternative without network transparency?
[15:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: I always have brilliant ideas, or do you question that?
[15:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, but I need one with an associated implementation at this point.
[15:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we know what is wrong with it yet?
[15:30] <cmagina> txwikinger: there have already been thoughts on how to address that missing feature
[15:30] <ScottK> Turns out kdelibs will build without soprano, but then kdepimlibs won't build with that kdelibs.
[15:30] <txwikinger> cmagina: how?
[15:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: I know you were trying to find a perl minion to do $STUFF.
[15:31] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: !!!!!!!q@!
[15:31] <cmagina> txwikinger: i'll try and find the blog about it, give me a bit as i don't recall the exact details
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how about : sed: couldn't edit source: not a regular file ::
[15:31] <txwikinger> cmagina: thanks
[15:32] <txwikinger> apachelogger: DD is still sleeping
[15:32] <dasKreech> ScottK: Since it doesn't seem that anyone has tried I don't know if there is an answer to this but what are the barriers for RandomCoder to start submitting code and input to the Desktop
[15:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that doesn't look so good
[15:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: BTW, confirmed that fundamentally the icecreaming is still functional with dpkg-buildpackage based build (doing soprano atm)
[15:33] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:33] <apachelogger> sweetness
[15:33]  * apachelogger is at university right now
[15:33] <apachelogger> I will poke the kdsrc-build later on
[15:33] <shadeslayer> kaboom....
[15:33] <ScottK> dasKreech: Dunno.  Show up in #ubuntu-desktop and get to work.  Same as here.
[15:34] <ScottK> Not that the icecream is helping a lot since the other two boxes are busy with the Qt 4.7.1 build I started last night.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> \o/ .... kde-l10n script done
[15:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does "KCM Qt Graphics System" work?
[15:36] <Riddell> what does it do to change the default?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im trying to upload, but none of the changes files are signed :S
[15:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for asdf in *changes; do debsign ${asdf}; done
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ohh
[15:44] <Riddell> well raster seems to work well enough for me
[15:44] <shadeslayer> uploading kde l10n .... and kde 4.5.3 for lucid is done
[15:45] <Riddell> time to test it?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Checksum doesn't match for /Work/KDE/kde-l10n-common/build/kde-l10n-zhtw_4.5.3-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1.dsc
[15:45] <shadeslayer> -.-
[15:52] <shadeslayer> bah.. wrong folder
[16:06] <al> ScottK, apachelogger, what $STUFF? maybe i can help?
[16:07] <ScottK> al: We're trying to make it work with icecc.
[16:07] <ScottK> Even when icecc is all set up and working it doens't seem to.
[16:07]  * ScottK has some arm boxes and is trying to build trunk.
[16:12] <al> ScottK, and where does perl come into play there?
[16:13] <ScottK> al: That's what kdesrc-build is written in.
[16:13] <al> oh, ok
[16:13] <ScottK> apachelogger had some idea about what needed doing, but likes Perl even less than Python I think.
[16:13]  * ScottK doens't understand the latter bit, but works with him anyway.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> i think i took over all the 32 bit builders with kde-l10n :P
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is there a way i can make the script do stuff for just one package?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> i borked one of the package during the upload.....
[16:24] <shadeslayer> ill upload that one to staging then :P
[16:38] <nixternal> shadeslayer: looks like a bowling shirt to me. to bad they went with hincappie though, love george but his gear isn't great in the long haul
[16:39] <nixternal> the idea of a cycling jersey is to attract people's attention
[16:39] <ScottK> Specifically so they don't run over you if they are driving a car.
[16:39] <nixternal> on that note, time to go back to doing nothing and thinking about going for a ride today
[16:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:43] <nixternal> no bib shorts with that jersey? black shorts would look awful with it. damn designers :p
[16:44] <al> ScottK, is it an issue exclusive to arm?
[16:44] <ScottK> al: Probably not, but that's the only place I've tried it.
[16:44] <nixternal> oh, there are shorts
[16:44] <al> cause kdesrc-build seems to be using icecc just fine here
[16:44] <ScottK> OK.
[16:44] <al> building qt-copy e.g.
[16:45] <ScottK> Weird.
[16:45] <ScottK> If I build a Debian package with -j4 I get icecc just fine.
[16:45] <ScottK> If I run kdesrc-build, I don't.
[16:45] <ScottK> Did you have to change in config stuff?
[16:47] <al> i added my user to the icecc group and prepended /usr/lib/icecc/bin to $PATH
[16:47] <al> and invoked pam in between to get that new group ;)
[16:48] <shadeslayer> um
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no but you can make that one package manually easily enough
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how come backports doesnt have translations?
[16:48] <ScottK> Done all that.
[16:48] <al> i also exported ICECC_DEBUG=debug to see it talk some more
[16:48] <ScottK> Curious.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i uploaded the fixed package with same version to the staging ppa
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: backports of what?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Kubuntu backports PPA
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also.... do you copy each package by hand to other ppa's ?
[16:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I use the command line but that's because I'm special
[16:52] <al> ScottK, you could maybe pause kdesrc-build via ^Z during compile to check the /proc/<pid>/exe and /env of a g++ process to see if $PATH has been changed and which compiler binary it's actually using
[16:52] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[16:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: normally you just tick all the boxes in the launchpad page and click copy, but that always ends up with timeouts when I tried it
[16:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please copy packages from the private PPA to the staging ppa.... :D
[16:52] <ScottK> I can see it's actually using the regular gcc in htop.
[16:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: give me a list of source package names
[16:53] <shadeslayer> oh noes...
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you use the API right? :D
[16:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no
[16:53] <shadeslayer> oh..
[16:54] <al> ScottK, so it looks like icecc gets dropped from $PATH at some point?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dont have a list... :(
[16:54] <shadeslayer> everything that goes into a normal release
[16:54] <ScottK> It does, but then later when I do a 'regular' Debian package build it's there.
[16:54] <shadeslayer> kde-l10n + KDE SC
[16:54] <ScottK> so it's getting temporarillyy overriden somehow.
[16:55] <al> well check /proc/<gcc pid>/env
[16:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well make one!
[16:55] <al> if it's missing there, check the parent's env
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can i put regex?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> like kde-l10n-*
[16:57] <ScottK> Thanks al.
[16:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope
[16:59] <shadeslayer> forget it then... webui ftw :D
[17:00] <Riddell> I wonder if we have an answer for http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=1049 "How new software ends up on KDE4-Solaris"
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you just make a new PPA?
[17:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not that I know of
[17:01] <shadeslayer> hmm... i see a new PPA : Kubuntu updates testing
[17:01] <Riddell> where?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> in the copy ppa dialog
[17:02] <shadeslayer> *copy to
[17:02] <Riddell> that's not ours
[17:04] <Quintasan> \o
[17:05] <Riddell> evening Quintasan 
[17:13] <dasKreech> ScottK: hmm moderately long post by Jono
[17:14]  * dasKreech throws bananas and carambolas at nixternal
[17:17] <ScottK> Yup.
[17:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[17:19] <ScottK> Quintasan: Pong
[17:19] <ScottK> (SIP is on my list for later in the week)
[17:19] <Quintasan> Oh, awesome.
[17:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you have any experience in kdebindings python magic?
[17:21]  * Quintasan can't figure the FTBFS out
[17:21] <ScottK> Not really.  Riddell's the expert there.
[17:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: Mind looking at that? http://pastebin.com/uVB81ZmY
[17:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: what is it?
[17:23] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: you called?
[17:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: I recommend not using -j6 on kdebindings
[17:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: what happens if you continue the compile by running make ?
[17:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well. so no -j at all for kdebindings?
[17:24] <Quintasan> about make, the same thing
[17:24] <Quintasan> but let me try without -j
[17:24] <shadeslayer> alias launchpad='timeout'
[17:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Where are your hooks for icecc magic?
[17:37] <arpan> shadeslayer: what version change you make while backporting?  package-XubuntuY --> package-XubuntuY+1?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> arpan: no... foo ( maverick ) ..... foo~lucid1~ppa1 for lucid
[17:38] <shadeslayer> and then increment ppa1 to ppa2 for any changes
[17:38] <arpan> shadeslayer: okie. thanks!!
[17:38] <shadeslayer> and if you want to get your package into a lucid backport archive use foo-XubuntuY.1 for lucid for a foo-XubuntuY version in maverick
[17:39] <shadeslayer> s/a
[17:40] <arpan> shadeslayer: ok. :)
[17:46] <arpan> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/DKyVz7Vv
[17:46] <shadeslayer> arpan: if didnt do any changes : No change backport
[17:47] <shadeslayer> if you did some changes : Lucid backport, remaining changes, : .... <new line >foo change 
[17:47] <arpan> shadeslayer: so i need to remove *Backport.... line from there, right?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:48] <arpan> and rest is fine?
[17:49] <arpan> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:50] <arpan> shadeslayer: thanks! and  sorry to poke u again and again while i learn ninja skills!! :P
[17:50] <shadeslayer> no problem
[17:50] <shadeslayer> but im logging out in a bit
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ok ive copied everything to staging ppa
[17:58] <shadeslayer> go go testers!
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ( might not be published for a few more minutes tho
[18:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: lol i got segmentation fault
[18:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: when continuing the build via make I get http://pastebin.ca/1994805
[18:10] <shadeslayer> weird... i have only 73 packages in staging ppa whereas the ninja ppa has 88...
[18:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: what are you building and why?
[18:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: kdebindings for project-neon
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/ << some packages are not published yet
[18:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: ah, so this is trunk?
[18:26] <shadeslayer> else, everything is done
[18:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Making some progress on trunk builds on armel too: http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/801
[18:37] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell, ScottK apachelogger: I dropped an email to the Kubuntu-Users ML seeing if I can't pick up anyone.
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ok so kde 4.5.3 installs fine in chrott
[18:39] <shadeslayer> *chroot
[18:41] <shadeslayer> im done for the night
[18:44] <bulldog98> ScottK: is kubuntu-mobile working on the n8?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:44] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: it will never work on the N8
[18:44] <ScottK> bulldog98: I know of N900, but not anything else.
[18:45] <shadeslayer> stupid thing ships with symbian
[18:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: why do you think so?
[18:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Qt can be built for symbian.
[18:45] <ScottK> So it's possible, just off topic here.
[18:45] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: symbian phones come with locked bootloaders and such
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^
[18:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: the n8 actuelly uses qt 4.6.x
[18:46] <ScottK> Well sure.  You've got to break stuff.
[18:46] <shadeslayer> else there would have been a android port etc ...
[18:48] <shadeslayer> :O
[18:48] <shadeslayer> http://www.doctypehtml5.in/#/venue :: displays map in rekonq but not chromium
[18:48] <shadeslayer> and the whole page is HTML5
[18:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Displays the map here in chromium.  Please stop the FUD.
[18:50] <ScottK> Besides, given the sponsorship, suspicious anyway.
[18:50] <shadeslayer> doesnt display it here : http://imagebin.ca/view/AygeRcz.html
[18:51] <ScottK> Probably due to your poor choice of graphics hardware.
[18:51] <ScottK> Which chromium are you trying?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> the one from maverick updates
[18:52] <yofel> o/
[18:52] <shadeslayer>  *** 7.0.517.44~r64615-0ubuntu0.10.10.1 0
[18:52] <shadeslayer> gtg... cya
[18:54]  * ScottK had an update installed, but not running.
[18:54] <ScottK> Trying again
[18:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Still shows fine.
[18:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: yup, this is trunk but as you can see it is currently broken :P
[19:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: if trunk is broken there's not much can be done for neon with it
[19:32] <neversfelde> Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!
[19:32] <neversfelde> is this a general problem after debild -S -sa or is it just me?
[19:32] <neversfelde> in natty
[19:34] <Riddell> neversfelde: means the name and e-mail in the changelog doesn't match your key
[19:34] <Riddell> or that you don't have gpg installed
[19:34] <neversfelde> worked yesterday
[19:34] <neversfelde> thanks, I'll have a look
[19:36] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[19:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you navigate to a text file in rekonq, it will open in katepart where no searching is possible, also the urlbar does not contain the  file's url for some reason
[19:37] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: ScottK suspects that some silly perl script does evil things to the envrionment (I suppose alter $PATH), was wondering if you could look at it ;)
[19:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: ping ping ping
[19:38] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[19:38] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: what one?
[19:39] <apachelogger> http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/releases/kdesrc-build-1.12.php
[19:43]  * apachelogger builds a heap
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'll dig into it.
[19:46] <apachelogger> thx
[19:47] <neversfelde> no, email and name are correct and gpg is installed
[19:52]  * apachelogger sends flowers to sheytan
[19:54] <dasKreech> Pink of course :)
[19:57] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: If you could teach it to grab kdesupport pieces (akonadi, soprano, and some others) that have moved to Git already, that would be handy (or point out which knobs I need to turn)
[19:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: why not ship fluffy style in kubuntu standard installation?
[19:58] <ScottK> Because he knows I would buy a plane ticket, fly to Austria, and kill him if he did.
[19:59] <ScottK> Thus we have checks and balances.
[19:59] <Tm_T> wouldn't that be reason to do it?
[19:59] <ulysses> neighbour country:o
[20:00] <alvin> Do you want pictures of my collegues when they see their 'upgraded' desktop?
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: I'll see what I can do.
[20:00] <ScottK> Thanks
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> anytime
[20:01] <ScottK> bulldog98: Besides, we'd end up in a big argument between the Fluffy advocates and that Hannah Montana Linux (yes, this is a Kubuntu derivative) advocates
[20:02] <bulldog98> ScottK: are they working upstream?
[20:02] <ScottK> No,  but neither are the Fluffy developers.
[20:02] <apachelogger> what??!?!
[20:02] <ScottK> (at least not on fluffy)
[20:02] <bulldog98> ScottK: apachelogger?
[20:02] <apachelogger> fluffy is more upstream than you
[20:03] <apachelogger> with one fluffy being in you bun too and the other being in kay dee ee
[20:03] <dasKreech> Who is in Hannah Montana?
[20:03] <apachelogger> disney popular culture entity
[20:04] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/533579/ who thinks this is O(k)?
[20:04] <ScottK> $ sudo apt-get install fluffy
[20:04] <ScottK> Reading package lists... Done
[20:04] <ScottK> Building dependency tree 
[20:04] <ScottK> Reading state information... Done
[20:04] <ScottK> E: Unable to locate package fluffy
[20:04]  * apachelogger thinks this code looks fishy
[20:04] <dasKreech> apachelogger: not who is. Who is in/
[20:04] <ScottK> No idea.  It's on sourceforge
[20:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: you got the upstream all wrong, see, we are upstream, but outside upstream
[20:05] <apachelogger> we are an upstream that builds on the actual upstream's technology
[20:05] <apachelogger> so we are contributing a lot upstream
[20:05] <ScottK> I see.  You must be affliated with the Ubuntu project.
[20:05] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[20:06] <apachelogger> dasKreech: hopefully no one, I gather she is too young for that sorta thing, then again it ought to happen sooner or later...
[20:12] <dasKreech> ScottK: not a lot of activity on it
[20:13] <ScottK> True.
[20:23]  * apachelogger really does not want to formally analyze the run time of his heap comparing algorithm -.-
[20:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: we need a minion for bug 676663
[20:28] <dasKreech> apachelogger: http://identi.ca/notice/58789044
[20:31] <apachelogger> to sru it :P
[20:32] <apparle> is the amarok playlist saving bug, fixed in kde 4.5.3?
[20:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: Retitle to "Lack of ICQ prodctivity enhancing tool" and move on.
[20:33] <ScottK> ICQ, productivity 
[20:34] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pingy
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: pongie
[20:35] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do you happen to know if starcraftman has some packaging experience?
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> He might...
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> hang on
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> bah, he is at work right now.
[20:36] <apparle> I am unable to open yahoo mail... someone help set the browser identifcation
[20:36] <apparle> konqueror is not installed
[20:38]  * apachelogger is wondering if 9.04 is EOL yet
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> ^yes
[20:38] <apachelogger> cool
[20:39] <apachelogger> now I just need to find out what the silly name of that was
[20:39] <apachelogger> erm
[20:39] <apachelogger> series name
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> jaunty
[20:39] <apachelogger> hm
[20:39] <apachelogger> wasnt that 8.04?
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> hardy
[20:39] <apachelogger> omg
[20:39] <apachelogger> ok
[20:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am nominating for karmic, lucid, maverick
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> hardy -> intrepid -> jaunty -> karmic -> lucid -> maverick
[20:43] <dasKreech> !jaunty
[20:43] <apachelogger> !eol
[20:43] <dasKreech> !hardy
[20:44] <dasKreech> !karmic
[20:44] <dasKreech> Hmm doesn't say when EOL is unless it's past
[20:44] <apachelogger> well, hardy is EOL for us anyway
[20:46] <dasKreech> on the desktop?
[20:47] <apachelogger> we only have a desktop :P
[20:47] <apachelogger> well, counting netbook in there
[20:48] <dasKreech> I know I'm jsut trying to remember what the shelflife is for a Desktop LTS. 3 years?
[20:48] <bulldog98> dasKreech: yes
[20:50] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: What is it (not)doing?
[20:51] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[20:51] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pongo
[20:52] <DarkwingDuck> what excatly is the script not doing so I know where to look?
[20:54] <DarkwingDuck> Okay nevermind...
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: You are looking for it to pull more from GIT? Correct?
[21:03] <DarkwingDuck> Who wrote this?
[21:10] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: The most important thing is that it seems to be over-riding the environment to prevent icecc on our arm boxes, but that's working for al, so I'm a bit confused.
[21:10] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: I think that mpyne in the author/maintainer
[21:10] <ScottK> I'd also like to pull things in kdesupport that have moved to git from there.
[21:10] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: so, as is it's working for Al but, issues for you?
[21:11] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:11] <ScottK> apachelogger has access to the box in question.
[21:11] <apachelogger> I am the accessor
[21:12] <DarkwingDuck> Scott what is your output to the command: whereis perl  ?
[21:12] <DarkwingDuck> Or, for the box that is having issues
[21:13] <apachelogger> srsly, if bug 676663 would be so awesome for a minion -.-
[21:13] <apachelogger> -if
[21:13] <apachelogger> +if only we had more
[21:13] <DarkwingDuck> I'm working
[21:13] <DarkwingDuck> on it
[21:13] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: The chroot in question is in the middle of building kdelibs.
[21:14] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh.
[21:14] <DarkwingDuck> Find that out and the output of: perl -v
[21:14] <ScottK> I think the real answer is apachelogger needs to make a hook for this.
[21:14] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: thing is, by the time you come up with someone, I fixed it in 3 series and built qt on arm :/
[21:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: for what?
[21:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: building?
[21:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: building trunk.
[21:15] <apachelogger> if you tell me what that hook needs to do
[21:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: grab all of kdesvn trunk and all the stuff that is needed to build it, build each bit and install it so we can build the whole stack.
[21:16] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: around? seems to that you lost ubuntu patches in last merge of konversation. ping on bug 676303
[21:16] <ScottK> Capture logs, results, rinse, repease.
[21:16] <apachelogger> :O
[21:16] <apachelogger> you realize that this would be project neon #1 all over again? 
[21:17] <ScottK> Well it should be simpler.
[21:17] <ScottK> We don't need to mess with /opt.
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: I didn't do the last konversation merge. Riddell did
[21:17] <apachelogger> it was pretty simple :P
[21:17] <apachelogger> the PITA is maintaining build deps
[21:17] <ScottK> And it doesn't have to land in packages as it's a throw away build.
[21:17]  * Riddell looks innocent
[21:18] <ScottK> Yes, kdesrc-build isn't so great about that ATM.
[21:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: IMHO this should not be a hook but in the rules of a package
[21:18] <apachelogger> make ftw!
[21:18]  * apachelogger pets Riddell
[21:18] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ah sorry, you have the same names. 
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> yep ;-)
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: looks like a return-of-the-infamous-debian-changes patch
[21:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Interesting idea.  The problem is that many of the deps aren't packaged.
[21:19] <Riddell> ari-tczew: what's up?
[21:19] <ScottK> soprano, akonadi, and a few others all need to be built from trunk.
[21:19] <ari-tczew> Riddell: you did a merge konversation. patches seem to be lost due to quilt 3.0
[21:19] <ari-tczew> indicator applet support patch doesn't work since I upgraded to natty
[21:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: PITA ...
[21:20]  * yofel wonders how icecc is supposed to work, tried it with neon kdelibs, but it build everything on localhost even though icemon shows it sees the scheduler and the other pc
[21:20] <yofel> or do I need to run the scheduler on localhost?
[21:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: let me think a bit about that
[21:20] <ScottK> OK.
[21:20] <apachelogger> but I think rules file is the way to go here
[21:20] <apachelogger> have a fake package and a rules that does building in a somewhat sensible way
[21:21] <apachelogger> yofel: likely you did not export the PATH to include the icecc/bin dir before evyerthing else
[21:22] <yofel> apachelogger: erm, if that were the case it wouldn't even run it, and since I get icecc debug output telling me it build locally I do think my PATH is correct
[21:22] <apachelogger> kopete patches for 3 series done
[21:22]  * apachelogger setups pbuilders
[21:22] <ari-tczew> Riddell: debian-changes-1.3.1-2ubuntu1 is overwriting our changes.
[21:22] <apachelogger> yofel: oh, not enough -j then
[21:22] <yofel> why don't you guys use kdesupport stuff from neon? we don't have polkit-qt-1 yet then
[21:22] <apachelogger> localhost will be preferred
[21:23] <sheytan> apachelogger hey dude :)
[21:23] <sheytan> what's up?
[21:23] <yofel> hm, I'll try some more then..
[21:23] <yofel> s/polkit-qt-1 yet then/polkit-qt-1 yet though/
[21:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: I need new blog artwork :D
[21:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: something hardwareishy
[21:24] <sheytan> apachelogger well, i don't have time today ;(
[21:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: tomorrow maybe?
[21:24] <sheytan> got a new job, and don't have time for anything else
[21:24] <sheytan> tomorrow is fine :)
[21:24] <apachelogger> I already delayed the blog one day because of you ;)
[21:24] <apachelogger> uhhh
[21:24] <apachelogger> new job
[21:24] <sheytan> yeah, i need to live too :D
[21:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: how is the new job?
[21:25] <sheytan> apachelogger really cool one. We're fixing notebooks :)
[21:26] <ScottK> yofel: I tried to build your Qt package and it FTBFS on armel, so I gave up.
[21:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: sweet
[21:26] <apachelogger> <3 making broken things work
[21:26] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm, strange...
[21:26] <sheytan> i mean, i'm that one who is accepting them and giving back to customers ;)
[21:26] <yofel> ScottK: k, maybe ping Quintasan if he knows something, he did the qt packaging
[21:27] <sheytan> for fixing we've got a team of expert dudes :D
[21:27] <ScottK> He's not around.
[21:27] <yofel> I'll ping him when I see him then
[21:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: surely they were pretty useless experts if no one would throw new broken devices at them :P
[21:27] <DarkwingDuck> oh damn... I forgot I hadn't turned my laptop into a perl dev environment yet :/
[21:31] <apachelogger> :O
[21:31]  * apachelogger is scared out of his pyjamas
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, that's fixed.
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhhhfffffffffff
[21:32] <sheytan> apachelogger yeah, right :)
[21:33] <sheytan> do you have windows logo on your pyjamas? :D
[21:33] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[21:33] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: It's the Windows ME Logo
[21:34] <apachelogger> -.-
[21:34] <apachelogger> hm
[21:34] <sheytan> apachelogger you wouldn't be scared anyway :D
[21:34] <apachelogger> pull-lp-source is quite the useless thing
[21:34] <yofel> hm, icecc still builds everythin locally even with -j10 :/ (this is an i7M, but even that only  has 2 cores..) - any ideas? some debug output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/533615/
[21:35] <apachelogger> fails on srus with security update
[21:35] <apachelogger> stupid thing
[21:36] <sheytan> well
[21:36] <sheytan> it's time for me ;/
[21:36] <sheytan> need to sleep
[21:36] <sheytan> so, see you guys tomorrow :)
[21:36] <sheytan> gnight :)
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> Oh wow.
[21:38] <apachelogger> !sru
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> !pelr
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> !perl
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu you are annoying
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu don't worry, I don't
[21:42] <ScottK> ~perl
[21:43] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[21:43] <yofel> kubotu ran away again..
[21:44] <ScottK> Probably sulking over the koffice split. http://lists.kde.org/?l=koffice-devel&m=128782551919625&w=2
[21:45] <yofel> :(
[21:48] <cmagina> ScottK: wow, what the heck happened?  
[21:48] <ScottK> No idea.
[21:49] <ScottK> Reading related links it seems it's mostly social.
[21:51] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: I can see in htop it's using /usr/bin/perl in any case.
[21:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: that mail is most confusing from an outside POV 
[22:01] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: okay...
[22:02] <cmagina> ScottK: seems they couldn't manage to balance the Meego work with the desktop work
[22:02] <cmagina> ScottK: better put, they couldn't find a compromising way to work together with the different goals in mind
[22:10] <Riddell> hi zematynnad, just balatedly read an e-mail which said I should welcome you :)
[22:10] <zematynnad> :)
[22:10] <zematynnad> hello
[22:11] <zematynnad> and thanks
[22:13] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: have you posted your 'challenge' to kubuntuforums?
[22:13] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: you'd find more actual Kubuntu/KDE users there imo :)
[22:21] <apparle> where are the browser identification settings for rekonq in 10.10?
[22:32] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: not yet no.
[22:33] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: it will be worth it :) I can do so if you don't wish to register
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> I need to anyway.
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[22:36] <claydoh> beware there are reports of difficult anti-spam/bot questions to answer in order to do so
[22:37] <claydoh> but i can hold yer hand if needed lol
[22:37] <DarkwingDuck> Sheesh
[22:38] <DarkwingDuck> Those anti-spam questions are awesome LOL
[22:38] <claydoh> and no I am not the hand-holding sort of guy
[22:39] <DarkwingDuck> I have to be at times LOL
[22:41] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmm, not being good with forums where would I post this?
[22:42] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: announcements
[22:42]  * apachelogger is done with heaping \\o/
[22:43] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: Kubuntu announcements under announcements
[22:44] <DarkwingDuck> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3114639.0
[22:46] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck++
[22:48] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198232 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (8 files in 2 dirs) Rudimentary package installation/removal support. Doesn't report progress yet. (Installs silently in the background.) Installation does work, though.
[22:55]  * Quintasan finds maverick totally unacceptable
[22:56]  * apachelogger notes that maybe Quintasan should have done something about this *before* release
[22:56] <apachelogger> ...you only had like 5 months...
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> problem? :D
[22:58] <DarkwingDuck> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10129342#post10129342
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> hrm, there is no trollface emoticon, is there....
[23:00] <apachelogger> fail
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> Trollface emoticon
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[23:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: Quintasan likes them trollfaces
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> =:|D|
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> There you go
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: ^^^^
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> =:|D|
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> There you go
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/bEKsw <- Can anyone think of a better string than that?
[23:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how about  "Download Size: 10MB\nInstalled Size: 12MB" ?
[23:19] <Riddell> and I'd change "Continue" to "Install"
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> That dialog only shows up when an application brings in dependencies
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> for context
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> though maybe it could be generic and always display
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> There is the "do not show again" button for the annoyed
[23:22] <Riddell> I consider than a weird property of apt, if I ask apt to install something I don't see why I should sometimes have to confirm it because it brings in dependencies
[23:22] <Riddell> bringing in dependencies is what apt is ment to do, i shouldn't care about it
[23:22] <Riddell> so unless there's something getting removed I wouldn't prompt for confirmation
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> brb phone
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> back
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Basically I'm trying to implement a solution to the problem presented in bug 432879, where software from $OTHER_DE brings in a bunch of extra stuff
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I should read mpt's comment more closely, he suggested only displaying when extra size > a certain amount
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> sounds reasonable
[23:42] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198242 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationViewWidget.cpp ApplicationViewWidget.h) Add a confirmation dialog. Include a "Don't ask again" checkbox for those who don't want to be annoyed. ;-)
[23:50] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198243 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/ (BreadcrumbWidget.cpp BreadcrumbWidget.h) A more space-concious form factor for the forward/back buttons in the breadcrumb