[03:47] <lithpr> does anyone know what i need to do to have default chromium spell check english correctly.  Everytime i type in a textarea every single word is highlighted as a spelling mistake.  I'm awful, but not that awful
[03:58] <kristian-aalborg> lithpr: hi
[03:59] <kristian-aalborg> you probably need to set it to "english somewhere"
[03:59] <kristian-aalborg> "english" somewhere, that is
[04:00] <lithpr> yeah, i've been through chromium preferencesm and i don't see anywhere to set the dictionary
[04:16] <lithpr> spell check working in chrome- good enough for now
[04:24] <T44> btw, is anyone around that ever worked on the lxpanel code? especially the task switcher
[10:59] <kaemo> damn, i've lost shutdown and restart option from  'shutdown menu'. anyone knows what might be the case?
[11:11] <phillw> kaemo: I see the question, but do not know an answer, you can always try the mailing list if you do not get a reply on here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the details on that and it's a great resource to see where lubuntu is heading.
[11:12] <phillw> hiyas hyperair can you help on "(10:59:24) kaemo: damn, i've lost shutdown and restart option from  'shutdown menu'. anyone knows what might be the case?" I've never come across it.
[11:13] <bioterror> I would give rm -rf to .config ;D
[11:14] <bioterror> (ofcourse to the folders including lx)
[11:14] <bioterror> phillw, that's not the first we encounter this
[11:16] <phillw> bioterror: hmmm, I'll have to pop it onto the mailing list to ensure Julien is aware of it, I've not seen it logged as a bug, maybe it needs to be.
[11:16] <kaemo> i've got it
[11:16] <kaemo> ubuntu makred hal as not needed anymore
[11:16] <kaemo> so it was deleted during apt-get autoremove
[11:17] <bioterror> :D
[11:17] <phillw> kaemo: we still are not totally hal free.
[11:17] <bioterror> installing hal brought them back?
[11:17] <kaemo> yup
[11:17] <kaemo> :]
[11:17] <bioterror> nice to know
[11:17] <bioterror> phillw, captain, make your markings to the log book! ;D
[11:17] <kaemo> phillw: i see now ;)
[11:17] <phillw> kaemo: thanks I'll pop it onto the mailing list so our dev team know.
[11:19] <phillw> kaemo: did you install lubuntu over an existing ubuntu installation, or was it a 'clean' lubuntu installation?
[11:19] <kaemo> over ubuntu desktop
[11:19] <phillw> ahh, then it is a ubuntu bug, not a lubuntu one. But I'll get it documented up.
[11:20] <bioterror> well
[11:20] <bioterror> that could happen with lubuntu too?
[11:20] <bioterror> where's the difference? ;D
[11:20] <kaemo> bioterror: good question
[11:21] <kaemo> phillw: i don't know if it does matter, but lately the lubuntu-desktop metapackage was remove. i also remove some programs like aqualung, mplayer etc., coz i had my favourite ones already installed
[11:22] <phillw> bioterror: I'll raise it on the mailing list, then it can be tested out. In the mean time I can make a note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
[11:24] <phillw> kaemo: the meta package is quite safe to remove, it's only needed during an install or an upgrade from one version to another https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop has the full gory details if you are un certain.
[11:24] <T44> actually i was wondering if i can do a dist-upgrade without breaking my system
[11:25] <T44> because i removed the metapackage too, and patched the hell out of lxde
[11:26] <phillw> T44: well, you'll be able to tell us :P
[11:28] <phillw> T44: if you totally customise things, then you're not running lubuntu and we have enough on our hands keeping that happy. My suggestion would be to put the meta package back on and then do the dist-upgrade. However the team have committed to supporting the 10.04 beta as if it were an LTS.
[11:29] <T44> yeah of course, its all heavily customized
[11:29] <phillw> T44: so you will still receive all the updates to the lubuntu system, as the new ones will be backported.
[11:30] <T44> guess i'll stay on 10.04 for a while then
[11:30] <phillw> T44: well, for 5 years, anyways :P
[11:30] <T44> heh, good enough :)
[11:30] <T44> running lubuntu on 4 of my computers now
[11:32] <hyperair> phillw: sorry, i don't know what could cause shutdown/restart to disappear either
[11:32] <hyperair> phillw: i saw it years ago, but i imagine that everything has changed since then so the problem isn't the same
[11:32] <phillw> hyperair: it was the removal of hal
[11:32] <hyperair> O_o
[11:32] <hyperair> hal?
[11:32] <hyperair> you mean lxdm can't handle shutdown without hal?
[11:32] <phillw> hyperair: it appears not.
[11:33] <hyperair> meh =\
[11:33] <hyperair> which version?
[11:33] <phillw> hyperair: 10.04
[11:33] <hyperair> i thought 10.10 completed the halsectomy from pretty much everything
[11:33] <hyperair> ah .04
[11:33] <hyperair> that's why
[11:33] <phillw> hyperair: which we're committed to support for 5 years.
[11:34] <hyperair> phillw: well yes, but .04 is frozen, and we can't push an invasive change like that to a frozen release
[11:35] <hyperair> phillw: it just means that with .04 you should keep hal around, that's all.
[11:36] <phillw> hyperair: I know that, but if 11:16:31) kaemo: ubuntu makred hal as not needed anymore
[11:36] <phillw> (11:16:49) kaemo: so it was deleted during apt-get autoremove happens, it will just cause support issues. I'll add it to the 10.04 notes.
[11:36] <hyperair> hmm?
[11:36] <hyperair> that's weird
[11:37] <phillw> hyperair:  it was a lubuntu on top of ubuntu install, so needs to go into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
[11:37] <hyperair> i guess apt-get was acting weird
[11:37] <phillw> I'll get it added in.
[11:37] <hyperair> because lxde/lxde-core/lxsession recommend hal
[11:38] <hyperair> apt-get autoremove should never remove it unless lxde/lxde-core/lxsession were also gone
[11:41] <phillw> hyperair: I've never really played with installing lubuntu on top of an existing system, so I don't know how it behaves, but in 10.04 it obviously mis behaves.
[11:41] <hyperair> apparently so
[11:41] <bioterror> phillw, you should play with ubuntu more ;)
[11:41] <hyperair> phillw: i don't think aptitude would get it wrong
[11:41] <hyperair> phillw: but apparently apt-get does
[11:41] <bioterror> phillw, take one you're going to give away and play with it first
[11:41] <hyperair> i'm going to test this in schroot
[11:57] <kaemo> phillw, hyperair it's 10.10, not 10.04 (in my case)
[11:58] <bioterror> wish there was a alpha to test ;D
[11:58] <phillw> kaemo:  oooh, well that should not be happening then.
[12:00] <kaemo> gtg, bbl :)
[13:43] <hyperair> phillw: i just tried apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, followed by apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, followed by apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop, and nothing got removed together with ubuntu-desktop. O_o
[13:43] <phillw> hyperair: most odd, as bioterror said it was not the 1st time he's seen it happen.
[13:44] <hyperair> phillw: weird.
[13:44] <hyperair> phillw: could it have been due to mixing apt-get and aptitude?
[13:44] <phillw> hyperair: It's worth noting on the 10.04 section just in case.
[13:45] <phillw> hyperair: it could be, as they keep two different databases AFIK
[13:45] <hyperair> phillw: but it was 10.10 though
[13:45] <hyperair> and yeah, apt-get keeps a separate db from aptitude
[13:45] <hyperair> at least for the automatically installed packages list
[13:46] <hyperair> phillw: conclusion= people should only use aptitude. =p
[13:46] <phillw> hyperair: yeah, it was 10.10
[13:47] <hyperair> aptitude is awesome. you can even play minesweeper with it
[13:47] <phillw> hyperair: I'm an apt-get person, just because I'm familiar with it, they do both behave slightly differently.
[13:47] <hyperair> slightly
[13:47] <hyperair> i used to be an apt-get person
[13:47] <hyperair> but then i've noticed that aptitude allows for very fine-grained control over dependency issues
[13:47] <hyperair> whereas apt-get would fail right away and complain
[13:48] <phillw> I guess I'll have to learn aptitude as apt-get has been dropped.
[13:48] <phillw> Still it will mean a whole new set of notes on my forum :P
[13:48] <hyperair> phillw: apt-get hasn't been dropped though.
[13:49] <hyperair> phillw: and it probably won't be dropped in the future either
[13:50] <phillw> I thought it was no longer installed by default? I saw messages on the 10.04 testing forum going on about it?
[13:50] <hyperair> no
[13:50] <hyperair> apt-get has always been installed by default
[13:51] <phillw> probably me having a blonde moment, but I recall a thread about it.
[13:52] <kaemo> phillw: in 10.10 aptitude is not installed by default, apt-get is ;-)
[13:53] <phillw> kaemo: that'll be what it was then, I do recall a thread about aptitude and apt-get :)
[13:55] <hyperair> phillw: yeah that's probablt it
[13:55] <hyperair> probably*
[13:56] <phillw> hyperair: lol at apt-get install aptitude :P
[13:57] <hyperair> phillw: hey i do that in my chroots for testing
[13:58] <hyperair> phillw: i recently discovered aptitude -D which shows you why a package is being automatically installed/remove
[13:58] <hyperair> d
[13:58] <hyperair> something like aptitude -D banshee
[13:58] <hyperair> which will show which package depends on what
[14:03] <kaemo> do you know anything about "not authorised" issue when plugging in pendrive? i'm on lectures now and it happend to me in the worst possible time ;p
[14:04] <kaemo> i noticed it in both gnome and lxde (after installing lubuntu-desktop)
[14:05] <hyperair> sounds like something screwed policykit up
[14:05] <kaemo> like used was kicked out form some device admin group or something
[14:05] <kaemo> could be
[14:06] <kaemo> user*
[14:06] <hyperair> i don't see how that could happen.
[14:08] <kaemo> me neither, just makin' some unsure inference from my knowlage ;)
[14:09] <kaemo> i've seen this issue before on the net, ut hoped that it won't affect me ;<
[16:12] <kaemo> anyone present?
[16:13] <phillw> kaemo: I'm usually lurking :)
[16:13] <kaemo> phillw: :)
[16:13] <kaemo> i've got another issue ;<
[16:14] <kaemo> with suspending
[16:14] <kaemo> suspend option in shutdown menu does not work like it's supposed to work
[16:15] <kaemo> it blacks out screen but no suspension is made
[16:15] <kaemo> in gnome-power-preferences i don't even have option to suspend when lid is closed
[16:16] <kaemo> and runnin' gnome-power-preferences --verbose gives something like this:
[16:16] <phillw> suspending is a PITA across the whole family. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=332 is the best resource for it, they have a list of what ones work, what ones don't and various work arounds.
[16:16] <kaemo> TI:17:10:29	TH:0x89c7da8	FI:gpm-prefs-core.c	FN:gpm_prefs_setup_action_combo,366
[16:16] <kaemo>  - Cannot add option, as cannot suspend.
[16:16] <kaemo> TI:17:10:29	TH:0x89c7da8	FI:gpm-prefs-core.c	FN:gpm_prefs_setup_action_combo,368
[16:16] <kaemo>  - Cannot add option, as cannot hibernate.
[16:16] <kaemo> TI:17:10:29	TH:0x89c7da8	FI:gpm-prefs-core.c	FN:gpm_prefs_setup_action_combo,361
[16:16] <kaemo> okay, i'll give it a look
[16:16] <phillw> !flame | kaemo
[16:16] <kaemo> phillw: flame? how come?
[16:17] <phillw> !flood | kaemo
[16:17] <phillw> me got the wrong command :P
[16:17] <kaemo> ubot5: i know, but i'm on univeristy net and it www doesnt work too good
[16:17] <kaemo> ubot5: go to hell
[16:18] <phillw> !language | kaemo
[16:18] <kaemo> phillw: what does !flame do? ;-)
[16:19] <phillw> flame was an incorrect instruction, what I wanted was flood, ubot is only a bot so if I get it wrong I get an error message from it.
[16:20] <phillw> kaemo: "(16:16:31) ubot5: Sorry, I don't know anything about 'flame'"
[16:20] <kaemo> :)
[16:20] <kaemo> here's paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/533505/
[16:20] <kaemo> but i'look at forum anyway
[16:21] <phillw> kaemo: you'd still be far better off on that area of the forum, there's all sorts of 'tweaks' they know. just remember to use the lubuntu tag if you post a question up.
[16:23] <kaemo> phillw: i know
[16:24] <kaemo> phillw: what is your association with lubuntu project?
[16:24] <phillw> kaemo: /join lubuntu-offtopic
[17:07] <kejt_> hi all, anyone here who can help me
[17:08] <szczur> kejt_, what's the problem?
[17:08] <kejt_> hi szczur... well maybe it isn't quite lubuntu problem, but I dont know where else to go...
[17:09] <kejt_> problem is...
[17:09] <kejt_> that I cant find a way to add a simple xrandr script to startup?
[17:10] <szczur> what about adding it to .XSession in your home folder?
[17:11] <kejt_> I didnt try that, I added it to various rc.d files, xinit and some other i forgot :)
[17:11] <kejt_> will try that now.
[17:12] <szczur> :)
[17:21] <kejt_> szczur... nothing... I did in terminal this:
[17:22] <kejt_> sudo leafpad .Xsession
[17:22] <kejt_> copy paste this http://pastebin.ca/1994752
[17:22] <kejt_> not link, but content... :)
[17:22] <kejt_> and finally chmod 700 .Xsession
[17:23] <kejt_> restared and nothing happened... same old resolution
[17:25] <phillw> kejt_: you need to install xorg.conf for it to remember screen resolutions, i don't know why, but you have to put the screen resolution into the xorg.conf file.
[17:27] <kejt_> ok, but let's say i dont want that, i just want that some script starts up with lubuntu, could that be done? iirc in ubuntu there is "tool" just for managing startup...
[17:28] <phillw> kejt_: the xorg.conf file will be read at startup, it is by far the easier way to do it.
[17:29] <kejt_> ok so do i need to manually create xorg.conf in X11 folder?
[17:33] <phillw> kejt_: http://www.osguides.net/operation-systems/217-how-to-create-xorgconf-in-ubuntu-910.html is where I send people to that has where it puts things etc.
[17:33] <kejt_> ok, thanks will look there...
[17:35] <phillw> you will see an entry for your screen resolution, someone like bioterror would be better able to help you, so hang around for when he's active (I think he's having dinner).
[17:48] <phillw> hyperair: is lxandr remembering screen resolutions?
[17:58] <hyperair> phillw: i don't know, why don't you test it?
[18:01] <phillw> hyperair: because they broke support for my usb 3G dongle in the kernel release in later 9.10 and 10.04. I'm currently running 9.10 ubuntu with updates turned off, it's a real PITA. I'm staying at this pub so can now order cable broadband. It really does it hard for me to support lubuntu :'(
[18:02] <phillw> *does make it hard*
[18:04] <hyperair> hmm
[18:04] <hyperair> well that sucks.
[18:04] <phillw> hyperair: I have a very unloved bug report in for it. But, heck, such is life.
[18:05] <hyperair> heh kernel bug reports often go unloved
[18:06] <phillw> tell me about it :) even http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=92 does not work :(
[18:07] <hyperair> phillw: what you could try doing is looking for the person who develops the driver for your dongle, and whine at him/her
[18:07] <hyperair> wait a sec, exactly what is broken?
[18:07] <phillw> it's a huwaiie (or however they are spelt)
[18:08] <hyperair> hwuawei afaik
[18:08] <hyperair> huawei?
[18:08] <hyperair> @_@
[18:08] <meetingology> hyperair: Error: "_@" is not a valid command.
[18:08] <hyperair> phillw: anyway, if wvdial works, surely it's a problem in the userspace app?
[18:08] <phillw> the network manager simply refuses to recognise my model.
[18:08] <hyperair> yeah maybe it's a network manager problem
[18:09] <hyperair> try poking some network manager devs.
[18:09] <phillw> I've tried the two work arounds from my own forum, and it doesn't want to play with them either.
[18:10] <hyperair> what workarounds are they?
[18:11] <phillw> hyperair: daft thing is, as 3 is one of the main sellers of usb dongles in the UK I was sorta hoping they'd get onto it, I reported it during the 10.04 testing cycle on 10.04
[18:11] <phillw> hyperair: have a read of the thread. http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=92
[18:11] <hyperair> phillw: i only see one post.
[18:11] <hyperair> and i saw it already.
[18:12] <phillw> hyperair: let me go dig out the bug report.
[18:13] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[18:16] <phillw> hyperair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/529794?comments=all maybe you could give some one a 'gentle' dig in the ribs?
[18:16] <phillw> hiyas kristian-aalborg
[18:16] <kristian-aalborg> the Eee 700 is running smoothly with 10.4 :D
[18:17] <hyperair> phillw: by the way, next time you gather information in a forum thread, please copy it over to the bug report. developers don't like following links everywhere
[18:17] <phillw> hyperair: I enclosed the forum thread link on the bug report, that is how I found the bug report :D
[18:18] <hyperair> phillw: i mean please summarize whatever's useful in the forum thread into a comment on the bug report.
[18:18] <hyperair> phillw: every extra step you make a developer take reduces the likelihood that he/she's going to fix the bug
[18:18] <hyperair> or even take a good long look at it
[18:20] <phillw> hyperair: okies, I have no problem doing that, but the devs etc. have to appreciate that whilst there is the 'full, official' way of doing reports, us lesser mortals do not know them and just try to give as much information as we can.
[18:21] <hyperair> phillw: that doesn't stop you from posting useful information such as your device id from lsusb, logs, any potential workarounds used, and whatnot onto the bug report instead of leaving it hidden inside a forum thread for developers to dig through.
[18:22] <hyperair> phillw: many devels don't even open bugs.launchpad.net, they just stare at their emails, and if they don't see the information there they just ignore it and move on, or request for more info, and move on anyway
[18:43] <kristian-aalborg> any slim users here?
[18:45] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, sowwy, lubuntu uses lxdm as default
[18:45] <kristian-aalborg> yup, I saw
[18:45] <kristian-aalborg> setting up slim should not be too hard, though
[18:46] <kristian-aalborg> it does start the X server ;)
[19:22] <kristian-aalborg> fwiw, lubuntu 10.4 takes about 1,7gigs
[19:23] <kristian-aalborg> hey, I got slim working :D
[19:24] <mark76> How?
[19:25] <kristian-aalborg> I just kept messing around
[19:25] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: so I was not that far out when I said 2GB including swap, it's nice to be correct every so often :P
[19:26] <mark76> Yes. But what did you do that made it work?
[19:26] <kristian-aalborg> I can paste the files, mark76
[19:26] <mark76> Okay
[19:26] <kristian-aalborg> however...
[19:26] <mark76> :|
[19:26] <kristian-aalborg> there's no network OR configuration tools
[19:27] <kristian-aalborg> since I got it (slim) running... will have to figure that out ;)
[19:28] <mark76> Does SLiM normally come with network and configuration tools?
[19:28] <kristian-aalborg> there should be no connection
[19:30] <kristian-aalborg> hmm
[19:30] <kristian-aalborg> I might be using the wrong commands in the .xinitrc
[19:33] <kristian-aalborg> does anybody know this?
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> I use, for Lubuntu:
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> exec startlubuntu
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> for openbox
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> exec openbox-session
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> in other words, the stuff from /usr/bin - is this the correct approach?
[20:05] <kristian-aalborg> hurm
[20:06] <kristian-aalborg> I also lost my keyboard settings, it seems
[20:06] <kristian-aalborg> ah wait
[20:06] <kristian-aalborg> I did not... only lxterm doesn't see them
[20:14] <kristian-aalborg> I think SLiM is by far the leanest
[20:15] <kristian-aalborg> but I'd be okay with lxdm too if I could strip it down to what slim does
[20:15] <kristian-aalborg> "press this button to flip between sessions"
[20:48] <Kurdistan> guys can you take a look to: http://paste.ubuntu.com/533452/?
[20:49] <Kurdistan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/533452/
[21:06] <leszek> hi
[21:06] <szczur> hi leszek
[21:18] <phillw> hiyas leszek, szczur has just been sold, pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic for the details :)
[21:31] <kristian-aalborg> any idea how to remove unneded entries from lxdm?
[21:34] <kaemo> did anyone had issues with suspending not working?
[21:40] <kristian-aalborg> kaemo: look at the wiki, I think there might be something there
[22:23] <kristian-aalborg> hurf durf
[22:24] <kristian-aalborg> should I remove the swap partition on the ssd? I have 512 megs of ram
[22:39] <koios> hi phillw
[22:43] <kristian-aalborg> anyone using radiotray?