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| njin | hello to all, how can i verify if mirrors for Hardy's net install are up ? | 07:53 |
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| micahg | njin: try it in virtualbox? | 07:53 |
| devildante | njin: they should be up, hardy is not EOL yet ;) | 07:53 |
| njin | micahg, devildante: bug 675343 say they aren't up | 07:54 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 675343 in ubuntu "8.04 Hardy installation fails on SPARC (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675343 | 07:54 |
| njin | but ok i download Hardy | 07:55 |
| micahg | njin: AFAIK, there's no net install for SPARC | 07:56 |
| devildante | micahg: yeah | 07:58 |
| devildante | njin: you should probably test with qemu set to emulate SPARC | 07:58 |
| micahg | njin: it also sounds like it's a failure in teh BIOSs lack of kernel memory | 07:58 |
| njin | devildante, micahg: Thanks | 08:00 |
| devildante | np ;) | 08:00 |
| micahg | njin: but you might have better luck talking to someone who knows SPARC | 08:00 |
| devildante | +1 | 08:00 |
| devildante | after all, we're contamined by x86 :p | 08:00 |
| njin | at #ubuntu | 08:00 |
| njin | .) | 08:01 |
| devildante | what the... | 08:11 |
| devildante | is fullscreen flash fixed or what? | 08:11 |
| micahg | devildante: please be more specific? | 08:18 |
| devildante | micahg: before, when you full-screened a video on youtube (for example) and wants to change the sound volume, full-screen disappears due to notify-osd | 08:20 |
| devildante | micahg: now, it doesn't anymore... strange | 08:20 |
| devildante | micahg: I could say it's a bug, but it's really a feature in that case :p | 08:21 |
| micahg | devildante: I think that's bad compiz interaction | 08:21 |
| devildante | ah | 08:21 |
| micahg | or it was that adobe bug | 08:22 |
| devildante | yep | 08:22 |
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| === Ayrton` is now known as Ayrton | ||
| devildante | out of nowhere, a dbus error in a gtk dialog | 11:48 |
| devildante | and I didn't bother to read it :p | 11:48 |
| bcurtiswx | Howdy all, my bug control membership is about to expire, would someone mind clicking a few buttons for me? :) thx | 13:03 |
| bcurtiswx | bdmurray, hggdh, ^^ | 13:03 |
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| ScottK | njin: If you want to install sparc, you have to get the Gutsy installer from old-releases.ubuntu.com, install that, and then upgrade to Hardy. | 13:49 |
| ScottK | micahg: Gutsy is the last sparc installer that worked. | 13:50 |
| devildante | ScottK: why's that? | 13:50 |
| ScottK | devildante: Because all the later ones are broken. | 13:51 |
| ScottK | I think Jaunty was the last one with a working kernel. | 13:51 |
| ScottK | Anything after Hardy is dicy though. | 13:51 |
| devildante | ScottK: They didn't bother fixing it? guess that's an example why they abandoned SPARC | 13:52 |
| ScottK | devildante: No, it's a result of them abandoning sparc. | 13:52 |
| ScottK | Sparc was a primary architecture for servers in Dapper. | 13:52 |
| ScottK | The fact that it was finally removed was just a mercy killing at that point. | 13:52 |
| devildante | heh | 13:52 |
| devildante | ah, Dapper | 13:53 |
| devildante | first release I've ever used | 13:53 |
| * ScottK too | 13:53 | |
| devildante | and its server support will go EOL with 11.04 release | 13:53 |
| devildante | sweet memories fading... | 13:54 |
| hggdh | bcurtiswx: getting there | 13:58 |
| bcurtiswx_ | hggdh, thx :) | 13:59 |
| hggdh | bcurtiswx_: done, thank you | 14:00 |
| hggdh | for helping :-) | 14:00 |
| bcurtiswx_ | hggdh, you're | 14:01 |
| bcurtiswx_ | welcome | 14:01 |
| hggdh | heh | 14:01 |
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| hggdh | I am going hopelessly behind on emails :-( | 15:07 |
| charlie-tca | hm, that's easy! just give up... :-) | 15:09 |
| devildante | same here :p | 15:11 |
| hggdh | hey, you are right! It is *only* an issue if I worry about it... | 15:11 |
| hggdh | time for a logout/login to release compiz memory | 15:12 |
| SevenMachines | Better to have too many emails than have have your spam box dwarf your actual emails i suppose | 15:13 |
| devildante | hggdh: logout/login to release memory should not be normal, therefore it's a bug that you must report ;) | 15:18 |
| hggdh | devildante: known issue on compiz/radeon ;-) | 15:19 |
| devildante | ah | 15:19 |
| hggdh | and, anyway, this laptop is a POS, so I am not sure it would be worth the time to debug it | 15:19 |
| bcurtiswx_ | hggdh, owns a POS laptop.. unheard of! P | 15:30 |
| bcurtiswx_ | :P* | 15:30 |
| hggdh | heh | 15:31 |
| hggdh | but I am the soon-to-be owner of a not-so-POS core-i7... | 15:32 |
| hggdh | if it ever arrives, I mean | 15:34 |
| * bcurtiswx_ wishes he has your income then | 15:35 | |
| * hggdh wishes too. Money goes all to wife... | 15:37 | |
| bcurtiswx_ | women.... :P j/k | 15:40 |
| ScottK | bcurtiswx_: There are actual women in the channel. Kidding or not, do you think that made them feel more or less welcome here? | 16:01 |
| bcurtiswx_ | ScottK, good point. my sincerely apologies to anyone offended. | 16:02 |
| bcurtiswx_ | sincere* | 16:02 |
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| njin | hello to all, jtv report bug 675416 , fs go in read-only , in syslog we have bluez's 'hci_scodata_packets', subsequently system unbootable fixed by fsck. Means that HD is in a bad state? | 16:25 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 675416 in ubuntu "Unbootable after filesystem corruption (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675416 | 16:25 |
| njin | Jeroen T. Vermuelen has problem with his pc, can we help him? | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | njin: What do you mean? | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | We can't really give much support here. | 16:38 |
| njin | charlie-tca:hello, regarding this bug all this problems in my opinion means that the HD is going in a bad state | 16:39 |
| charlie-tca | Then add that in a comment. You can modify https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Package%20installation%20failure for it | 16:40 |
| njin | charlie-tca:thanks | 16:43 |
| rusivi | Regarding bug 488849 -> Looks like OP native installed 9.10, then upgraded to 10.04 based on packages OP quoted: + boinc in Karmic is 6.4.5, Lucid it's 6.10.17 + Firefox in Karmic is 3.5.3, Lucid now at 3.6.3 + Pulseaudio in Karmic 0.9.19, Lucid now at 0.9.22 | 16:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 488849 in linux (Ubuntu) "memory eaten: poll_schedule_timeout (affects: 4) (heat: 17)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488849 | 16:47 |
| devildante | rusivi: isn't the firefox version the same between versions? (due to the new policy) | 16:49 |
| rusivi | devildante: I am not familiar with the policy so IDK. | 16:49 |
| rusivi | Well in any event, assuming he was in Karmic his Kernel needs to be updated. | 16:50 |
| devildante | rusivi: nvm, the policy took place just recently (during the maverick cycle, in fact) | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 10 minutes | 16:50 |
| rusivi | someone complained about this bug in #Ubuntu noting it looked deadish so just wanted to revive it for a quick discussion | 16:51 |
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| micahg | ScottK: I remembered talking to someone who knew, just couldn't remember who (SPARC) | 17:21 |
| micahg | devildante: I think Dapper server is still supported until June 2011 since it was delayed 6 weeks | 17:22 |
| ScottK | micahg: That's correct. | 17:22 |
| devildante | micahg: I don't remember myself talking about supported versions on that channel, tbh :p | 17:23 |
| micahg | (07:53:32 AM) devildante: and its server support will go EOL with 11.04 release | 17:30 |
| devildante | ah yes | 17:30 |
| jibel | devildante, for reference | 17:49 |
| jibel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/642518 | 17:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 642518 in linux-restricted-modules-envy-2.6.24 (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 14 other projects) "[MASTER] package fglrx 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: Kernel fix for CVE-2010-3081 breaks fglrx (affects: 285) (dups: 240) (heat: 1974)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 17:49 |
| jibel | and also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pgadmin3/+bug/610975 | 17:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 610975 in pgadmin3 (Debian) (and 24 other projects) "relocation error with latest wxwidgets2.8 (affects: 100) (dups: 17) (heat: 368)" [Unknown,Unknown] | 17:49 |
| devildante | jibel: the first one is hardware-specific | 17:50 |
| jibel | devildante, sure its hardware specific, all the users of the fglrx driver. That's quite a bit. | 17:51 |
| devildante | jibel: you beat me with the second bug, though | 17:51 |
| devildante | jibel: I was talking about small changes only, though | 17:51 |
| devildante | jibel: I don't consider any changes to the kernel to be small | 17:52 |
| devildante | even if it's a 1-line change | 17:52 |
| charlie-tca | then it really amounts to your personal opinion of small? | 17:53 |
| devildante | charlie-tca: if you convince me that a kernel change can be small, then I'll gladly change my personal opinion :) | 17:54 |
| charlie-tca | again, opinion. One word change is very small, but it depends on who is considering it small | 17:55 |
| devildante | charlie-tca: "small" also depends on the case. Changing a very small part of a nuclear system is not considered a small change, is it? | 17:56 |
| jibel | devildante, thats a question of perspective, lets say my business is hosting website, a change to apache is smaller or bigger than a kernel one ? | 17:56 |
| charlie-tca | the real question is "who decides what small is"? | 17:56 |
| jibel | charlie-tca, thats why I say there's no small change. | 17:57 |
| charlie-tca | I agree with that. | 17:58 |
| devildante | jibel: smaller, I think | 17:58 |
| charlie-tca | Every change can have major impacts, and small is in the eye of the changer. | 17:58 |
| devildante | I didn't say it is small, though | 17:58 |
| devildante | just smaller | 17:58 |
| jibel | even smaller, what we can measure is the risk caused by the change not the change itself. | 17:59 |
| devildante | jibel: for me, a small change is a change to an app that does not affect other parts of the system for a first | 18:00 |
| devildante | that's only one part of determining what's small though | 18:00 |
| charlie-tca | devildante: the problem is in defining small so that everyone uses the same meaning | 18:01 |
| hggdh | actually, the problem is one of trust | 18:43 |
| hggdh | there is no really "small", or "smaller" change. An one-line change can lead to disater | 18:44 |
| * micahg can give a great example of that :) | 18:47 | |
| devildante | hggdh: I guess that's why we have common sense to determine which change is small and which is not :p | 18:48 |
| hggdh | devildante: the point is it is quite difficult (if not impossible) to figure a metric for "small" changes in *code* | 18:49 |
| hggdh | you can do that with doc changes, for example | 18:49 |
| devildante | micahg: your example is...? | 18:49 |
| devildante | hggdh: we can eliminate suspects first: for example, hardware-specific changes (like kernel, xorg...) cannot be small | 18:51 |
| devildante | hggdh: or do you not agree on this one? | 18:51 |
| micahg | devildante: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 <-- the first fix | 18:51 |
| hggdh | devildante: we can work by exception -- doc changes, again, do not tend to cause massive failures | 18:52 |
| hggdh | another example: I once submitted a one line change to Evolution (a doublwe-free crash). Unfortunately, my one-line change changed the code on the wrong place | 18:53 |
| hggdh | and caused a memory creep | 18:53 |
| devildante | hggdh: a what-free crash? | 18:54 |
| hggdh | double-free -- an area of memory being freed twice | 18:56 |
| hggdh | so the second would fail on libc | 18:57 |
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| ScottK | hggdh: What's the replacement for regression-potential? regression-natty? | 19:08 |
| hggdh | ScottK: regression-release natty | 19:09 |
| ScottK | hggdh: Thanks. | 19:09 |
| hggdh | ScottK: welcome | 19:09 |
| ScottK | I'm sure I'll have to ask you again. | 19:09 |
| hggdh | :-) | 19:09 |
| hggdh | ScottK: it will always be regression-release plus the ubuntu version | 19:10 |
| hggdh | it was dicovered on | 19:10 |
| ScottK | It always takes me a while to adjust to changes in procedure. | 19:11 |
| hggdh | all of us... | 19:15 |
| === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck | ||
| jpiche | I'm wondering if someone could look at bug 675864 to see if I'm missing any information. It's really annoying, so I want to make sure I've got everything | 20:51 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 675864 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio skipping (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675864 | 20:51 |
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