[07:53] <njin> hello to all, how can i verify if mirrors for Hardy's net install are up ?
[07:53] <micahg> njin: try it in virtualbox?
[07:53] <devildante> njin: they should be up, hardy is not EOL yet ;)
[07:54] <njin> micahg, devildante: bug 675343 say they aren't up
[07:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675343 in ubuntu "8.04 Hardy installation fails on SPARC (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675343
[07:55] <njin> but ok i download Hardy
[07:56] <micahg> njin: AFAIK, there's no net install for SPARC
[07:58] <devildante> micahg: yeah
[07:58] <devildante> njin: you should probably test with qemu set to emulate SPARC
[07:58] <micahg> njin: it also sounds like it's a failure in teh BIOSs lack of kernel memory
[08:00] <njin> devildante, micahg: Thanks
[08:00] <devildante> np ;)
[08:00] <micahg> njin: but you might have better luck talking to someone who knows SPARC
[08:00] <devildante> +1
[08:00] <devildante> after all, we're contamined by x86 :p
[08:00] <njin> at #ubuntu
[08:01] <njin> .)
[08:11] <devildante> what the...
[08:11] <devildante> is fullscreen flash fixed or what?
[08:18] <micahg> devildante: please be more specific?
[08:20] <devildante> micahg: before, when you full-screened a video on youtube (for example) and wants to change the sound volume, full-screen disappears due to notify-osd
[08:20] <devildante> micahg: now, it doesn't anymore... strange
[08:21] <devildante> micahg: I could say it's a bug, but it's really a feature in that case :p
[08:21] <micahg> devildante: I think that's bad compiz interaction
[08:21] <devildante> ah
[08:22] <micahg> or it was that adobe bug
[08:22] <devildante> yep
[11:48] <devildante> out of nowhere, a dbus error in a gtk dialog
[11:48] <devildante> and I didn't bother to read it :p
[13:03] <bcurtiswx> Howdy all, my bug control membership is about to expire, would someone mind clicking a few buttons for me? :) thx
[13:03] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray, hggdh, ^^
[13:49] <ScottK> njin: If you want to install sparc, you have to get the Gutsy installer from old-releases.ubuntu.com, install that, and then upgrade to Hardy.
[13:50] <ScottK> micahg: Gutsy is the last sparc installer that worked.
[13:50] <devildante> ScottK: why's that?
[13:51] <ScottK> devildante: Because all the later ones are broken.
[13:51] <ScottK> I think Jaunty was the last one with a working kernel.
[13:51] <ScottK> Anything after Hardy is dicy though.
[13:52] <devildante> ScottK: They didn't bother fixing it? guess that's an example why they abandoned SPARC
[13:52] <ScottK> devildante: No, it's a result of them abandoning sparc.
[13:52] <ScottK> Sparc was a primary architecture for servers in Dapper.
[13:52] <ScottK> The fact that it was finally removed was just a mercy killing at that point.
[13:52] <devildante> heh
[13:53] <devildante> ah, Dapper
[13:53] <devildante> first release I've ever used
[13:53]  * ScottK too
[13:53] <devildante> and its server support will go EOL with 11.04 release
[13:54] <devildante> sweet memories fading...
[13:58] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: getting there
[13:59] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh, thx :)
[14:00] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_: done, thank you
[14:00] <hggdh> for helping :-)
[14:01] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh, you're
[14:01] <bcurtiswx_> welcome
[14:01] <hggdh> heh
[15:07] <hggdh> I am going hopelessly behind on emails :-(
[15:09] <charlie-tca> hm, that's easy! just give up... :-)
[15:11] <devildante> same here :p
[15:11] <hggdh> hey, you are right! It is *only* an issue if I worry about it...
[15:12] <hggdh> time for a logout/login to release compiz memory
[15:13] <SevenMachines> Better to have too many emails than have have your spam box dwarf your actual emails i suppose
[15:18] <devildante> hggdh: logout/login to release memory should not be normal, therefore it's a bug that you must report ;)
[15:19] <hggdh> devildante: known issue on compiz/radeon ;-)
[15:19] <devildante> ah
[15:19] <hggdh> and, anyway, this laptop is a POS, so I am not sure it would be worth the time to debug it
[15:30] <bcurtiswx_> hggdh, owns a POS laptop.. unheard of! P
[15:30] <bcurtiswx_> :P*
[15:31] <hggdh> heh
[15:32] <hggdh> but I am the soon-to-be owner of a not-so-POS core-i7...
[15:34] <hggdh> if it ever arrives, I mean
[15:35]  * bcurtiswx_ wishes he has your income then
[15:37]  * hggdh wishes too. Money goes all to wife...
[15:40] <bcurtiswx_> women.... :P j/k
[16:01] <ScottK> bcurtiswx_: There are actual women in the channel. Kidding or not, do you think that made them feel more or less welcome here?
[16:02] <bcurtiswx_> ScottK, good point.  my sincerely apologies to anyone offended.
[16:02] <bcurtiswx_> sincere*
[16:25] <njin> hello to all, jtv report bug 675416 , fs go in read-only , in syslog we have bluez's 'hci_scodata_packets', subsequently system unbootable fixed by fsck. Means that HD is in a bad state?
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675416 in ubuntu "Unbootable after filesystem corruption (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675416
[16:32] <njin> Jeroen T. Vermuelen has problem with his pc, can we help him?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> njin: What do you mean?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> We can't really give much support here.
[16:39] <njin> charlie-tca:hello, regarding this bug all this problems in my opinion means that the HD is going in a bad state
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Then add that in a comment. You can modify https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Package%20installation%20failure for it
[16:43] <njin> charlie-tca:thanks
[16:47] <rusivi> Regarding bug 488849 -> Looks like OP native installed 9.10, then upgraded to 10.04 based on packages  OP quoted: + boinc in Karmic is 6.4.5, Lucid it's 6.10.17 + Firefox in Karmic is 3.5.3, Lucid now at 3.6.3 + Pulseaudio in Karmic 0.9.19, Lucid now at 0.9.22
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 488849 in linux (Ubuntu) "memory eaten: poll_schedule_timeout (affects: 4) (heat: 17)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488849
[16:49] <devildante> rusivi: isn't the firefox version the same between versions? (due to the new policy)
[16:49] <rusivi> devildante: I am not familiar with the policy so IDK.
[16:50] <rusivi> Well in any event, assuming he was in Karmic his Kernel needs to be updated.
[16:50] <devildante> rusivi: nvm, the policy took place just recently (during the maverick cycle, in fact)
[16:50] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 10 minutes
[16:51] <rusivi> someone complained about this bug in #Ubuntu noting it looked deadish so just wanted to revive it for a quick discussion
[17:21] <micahg> ScottK: I remembered talking to someone who knew, just couldn't remember who (SPARC)
[17:22] <micahg> devildante: I think Dapper server is still supported until June 2011 since it was delayed 6 weeks
[17:22] <ScottK> micahg: That's correct.
[17:23] <devildante> micahg: I don't remember myself talking about supported versions on that channel, tbh :p
[17:30] <micahg> (07:53:32 AM) devildante: and its server support will go EOL with 11.04 release
[17:30] <devildante> ah yes
[17:49] <jibel> devildante, for reference
[17:49] <jibel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/642518
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 642518 in linux-restricted-modules-envy-2.6.24 (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 14 other projects) "[MASTER] package fglrx 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: Kernel fix for CVE-2010-3081 breaks fglrx (affects: 285) (dups: 240) (heat: 1974)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[17:49] <jibel> and also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pgadmin3/+bug/610975
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610975 in pgadmin3 (Debian) (and 24 other projects) "relocation error with latest wxwidgets2.8 (affects: 100) (dups: 17) (heat: 368)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[17:50] <devildante> jibel: the first one is hardware-specific
[17:51] <jibel> devildante, sure its hardware specific, all the users of the fglrx driver. That's quite a bit.
[17:51] <devildante> jibel: you beat me with the second bug, though
[17:51] <devildante> jibel: I was talking about small changes only, though
[17:52] <devildante> jibel: I don't consider any changes to the kernel to be small
[17:52] <devildante> even if it's a 1-line change
[17:53] <charlie-tca> then it really amounts to your personal opinion of small?
[17:54] <devildante> charlie-tca: if you convince me that a kernel change can be small, then I'll gladly change my personal opinion :)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> again, opinion. One word change is very small, but it depends on who is considering it small
[17:56] <devildante> charlie-tca: "small" also depends on the case. Changing a very small part of a nuclear system is not considered a small change, is it?
[17:56] <jibel> devildante, thats a question of perspective, lets say my business is hosting website, a change to apache is smaller or bigger than a kernel one ?
[17:56] <charlie-tca> the real question is "who decides what small is"?
[17:57] <jibel> charlie-tca, thats why I say there's no small change.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> I agree with that.
[17:58] <devildante> jibel: smaller, I think
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Every change can have major impacts, and small is in the eye of the changer.
[17:58] <devildante> I didn't say it is small, though
[17:58] <devildante> just smaller
[17:59] <jibel> even smaller, what we can measure is the risk caused by the change not the change itself.
[18:00] <devildante> jibel: for me, a small change is a change to an app that does not affect other parts of the system for a first
[18:00] <devildante> that's only one part of determining what's small though
[18:01] <charlie-tca> devildante: the problem is in defining small so that everyone uses the same meaning
[18:43] <hggdh> actually, the problem is one of trust
[18:44] <hggdh> there is no really "small", or "smaller" change. An one-line change can lead to disater
[18:47]  * micahg can give a great example of that :)
[18:48] <devildante> hggdh: I guess that's why we have common sense to determine which change is small and which is not :p
[18:49] <hggdh> devildante: the point is it is quite difficult (if not impossible) to figure a metric for "small" changes in *code*
[18:49] <hggdh> you can do that with doc changes, for example
[18:49] <devildante> micahg: your example is...?
[18:51] <devildante> hggdh: we can eliminate suspects first: for example, hardware-specific changes (like kernel, xorg...) cannot be small
[18:51] <devildante> hggdh: or do you not agree on this one?
[18:51] <micahg> devildante: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 <-- the first fix
[18:52] <hggdh> devildante: we can work by exception -- doc changes, again, do not tend to cause massive failures
[18:53] <hggdh> another example: I once submitted a one line change to Evolution (a doublwe-free crash). Unfortunately, my one-line change changed the code on the wrong place
[18:53] <hggdh> and caused a memory creep
[18:54] <devildante> hggdh: a what-free crash?
[18:56] <hggdh> double-free -- an area of memory being freed twice
[18:57] <hggdh> so the second would fail on libc
[19:08] <ScottK> hggdh: What's the replacement for regression-potential?  regression-natty?
[19:09] <hggdh> ScottK: regression-release natty
[19:09] <ScottK> hggdh: Thanks.
[19:09] <hggdh> ScottK: welcome
[19:09] <ScottK> I'm sure I'll have to ask you again.
[19:09] <hggdh> :-)
[19:10] <hggdh> ScottK: it will always be regression-release plus the ubuntu version
[19:10] <hggdh> it was dicovered on
[19:11] <ScottK> It always takes me a while to adjust to changes in procedure.
[19:15] <hggdh> all of us...
[20:51] <jpiche> I'm wondering if someone could look at bug 675864 to see if I'm missing any information. It's really annoying, so I want to make sure I've got everything
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675864 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "pulseaudio skipping (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675864