[00:00] Hm. Looks like it's using the right mode by default; can you pastebin the output of “xrandr”? [00:02] RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/533288/ [00:03] Is 1680x1050 the native mode of your monitor? [00:03] I honestly do no know [00:03] If you know :) [00:03] it sounds about right [00:04] It does sound about right, yeah. [00:04] I mean, it's widescreen [00:04] yeah it is [00:05] is there some kind of compiz beer goggles plugin enabled by default now in natty? [00:06] well, it's blurry without desktop effects too, if that's what you were asking Sarvatt [00:06] everything looks fine there, I'm stumped :) [00:06] Maybe a picture of the display would be useful? [00:07] The obvious answers have been exhausted. [00:07] rickspencer3, check to make sure you have font AA turned on after the upgrade? [00:07] or has that been covered already? [00:07] can you describe blurry any more? is there anything thats still sharp? [00:08] nisshh, font AA? I usuall use subpixel smoothing [00:08] Sarvatt, let me look at some pictures [00:08] rickspencer3, ah, thats what i meant, subpixel smoothing [00:08] hmm [00:09] Sarvatt, so, hi-def pictures of my dog seem clear [00:09] yeah I mean things like just fonts being blurry, are icons too big or anything? or is the whole screen just completely blurry [00:09] but fonts, not so much [00:09] and icons in nautilus look blurry too [00:09] this is all very subjective, of course [00:10] Maybe that's an icon theme problem? [00:10] rickspencer3, maybe it went crazy and munted your monitor settings? [00:10] nisshh: No; it looks like he's got the right resolution set. [00:10] his monitor settings are fine [00:12] RAOF, i didnt mean resolution, i mean his monitors built in settings, you know, the ones you access with the little buttons on the monitor? [00:12] Maybe. But it seems like the problem is at a level above X, as the dog pictures look OK. [00:13] oh jeez, I just reset my monitor back to factor settings, and it looks even worse! [00:14] rickspencer3: is there a sharpness setting in the monitor options or anything? [00:14] Sarvatt, yeah, I already twiddled that [00:15] ah ok, i was wrong then :) [00:15] rickspencer3, when i said "that might be the problem" i didnt mean "reset your monitor" :) [00:16] haha [00:17] ya [00:17] images are definately crystal clear [00:17] RAOF, if it's not xorg, than what can be controlling my font rendering? [00:18] rickspencer3, if i said "your monitor is fault" would you smash it? :) [00:18] faultly* [00:18] faulty* [00:18] rickspencer3, cups? [00:18] haha [00:18] it's not my monitor [00:18] Where shall we start? :). Probably with gnome-settings-daemon, and the Appearence capplet. [00:19] That should be where font settings for GNOME are applied. [00:19] RAOF, could it be CUPS maybe? [00:19] or cupsd? [00:19] nisshh: How could the printer daemon be messing with display fonts? [00:19] hmmm [00:20] I don't see a plausible causal link. [00:20] RAOF, oh, thats a printer daemon? i thought it had something to do with fonts :) [00:20] * nisshh slaps himself [00:20] nisshh: Well, it does indirectly. You print using fonts :). CUPS == Common Unix Printing Service [00:20] RAOF, it seems that desktop effects are not getting applied :/ [00:21] RAOF, right [00:21] rickspencer3: So, is gnome-settings-daemon running? Try starting it up. [00:21] anyway, im heading out for a while, ill see you lot later [00:21] bye nisshh [00:21] * nisshh waves [00:25] Ominous. [00:25] That would appear to not have been a sterling success? [00:25] RAOF, haha [00:25] well, I killed compiz, and then couldn't reselect my terminal to start it again [00:25] a bit of a self-inflicted wound [00:26] Oh, yeah. Switch to VT1 and run metacity :) [00:26] anyway gnome-settings-daemon is running [00:28] And fonts are still weird. [00:28] ok [00:28] so compiz is running [00:28] but I'm getting no effects! [00:28] maybe I need some plugins [00:29] You'll probably be hitting the “still don't have 0.8 → 0.9 settings transition logic”, there. [00:29] Interesting. [00:30] I've just started playing with Appearance→Fonts, and none of the hinting options take effect. [00:30] RAOF, you mean the ones under "Rendering"? [00:30] Yeah. [00:31] huh [00:31] they dramatically change for me when I switch between them [00:31] but they are all still blurry [00:31] I wonder if sub-pixel rendering is not actually being applied [00:31] Or, rather, Monochrome works but everything else is the same. [00:31] oh weir [00:31] d [00:32] for me, sub-pixel smoothing works, everything else is the same [00:32] wrong [00:32] Monochrome and Best shapes are different [00:33] I mean and Best Contrast [00:33] Best Shapes has no effect [00:33] I wonder if sub-pixel smoothing is not being applied [00:33] so it's essentially just turning off other options [00:33] Possibly. [00:34] kenvandine: ping? [00:34] You could also go a-playin' with /etc/fonts/conf.d [00:34] But GNOME apps should be taking their settings from the appearance capplet. [00:35] the problem is, if I try to log a bug, it will be maddenly vague, and no one could help will be in front of my hardware :/ [00:36] * rickspencer3 plows ahead [00:36] Unity time [00:36] Yeah, give it a whirl. [00:37] what could possibly go wrong? [00:37] * rickspencer3 considers backing up data [00:37] * rickspencer3 damns the torpedos [00:37] Soft! [00:37] rickspencer3, what's your dpi set to? [00:38] bryceh, where do I see that? [00:38] Monitors? [00:38] System -> Appearance -> Fonts -> Details [00:38] In the details button of fonts. [00:38] 96 [00:38] mm, that's what it should be [00:39] well, the subpixel smoothing is definitely having an effect [00:40] we have carried a distro patch that sets subpixel smoothing defaults. If that patch got dropped it could cause behaviors like this [00:40] I think that patch still survives; my machines don't suffer from blurry fonts. [00:40] bryceh, the default settings seemed to be correct [00:41] I think I'll need to live with this until a domain expert hits the bug [00:41] "fonts are blurry" doesn't seem to be much go go on [00:42] Are the icons still blurry, too? [00:42] It's possible that a photo of your screen will trigger an aha. [00:43] a bit yeah [00:52] RAOF, good point, I'll log a bug tomorrow [01:01] *sigh* [01:01] apt-get is stuck on Unpacking replacement libglewmx1.5 ... [01:01] :/ [01:02] not my night [01:02] kklimonda, pong [01:03] rickspencer3, be thankful your dmesg isn't full of scary messages like "[Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged" ;) [01:03] kenvandine: do you have a moment? [01:04] chrisccoulson_, heh [01:04] I've been upgrading this machine since Karmic, I think [01:04] maybe I should try a clean install [01:04] time for a reinstall ;) [01:04] yeah :) [01:05] i'm not sure if my issue is a real hardware problem or a bug :/ [01:05] oh well [01:05] kenvandine: at the bottom of this document there is a (partial) desktopcouch-glib api for Vala,does it make sense: http://pastebin.com/GsMCFNBt ? [01:05] my laptop just can't hack the pace ;) [01:06] kklimonda, sure [01:07] kenvandine: actually does my idea of enforcing document type per database "connection" make sense? [01:07] no :) [01:08] kenvandine: I know that's how I work - putting different documents into single database have been more trouble for me then it was worth [01:08] probably true [01:08] but i think some people will expect it to handle different document types [01:08] but i assume that is want more work to deal with ? [01:09] kenvandine: they could always drop to couchdb-glib api [01:09] true [01:09] as long as you told them that [01:09] throw an exception that it isn't supported, etc [01:09] kenvandine: that's what Destkopcouch.Document.get_json_object is there for - in couchdb-glib they can do whatever they want.. [01:09] right [01:10] oh... wait [01:10] but [01:10] how about dealing with things like loading design documents and views? [01:10] and retrieving those [01:10] those are document types [01:11] the problem is Desktopcouch.Response.get_documents () "inherits" document's type from Desktopcouch.Database [01:11] humm [01:11] Design Documents are a pita in general :) [01:12] not familiar with get_documents...i use get_records [01:12] and put_record [01:12] oh... but you aren't dealing with the records api [01:12] well, get_documents would return a GList of Desktopcouch.Document [01:12] wow, i can't believe my daughter is a whole year old in a few hours [01:12] I do, in couchdb-glib :) [01:13] I have CouchdbResponse.get_rows () [01:13] i almost exclusively use the records API [01:13] which returns a GList * of JsonObjects [01:13] you should talk to aquarius tomorrow [01:13] he could probably tell you very quickly if it would be a bad idea or not [01:14] will do :) [01:14] thx :) [01:14] the problem really boils down to the fact that CouchDB doesn't like static languages :) [01:14] i am glad i am not hacking on that stuff :) [01:14] thanks for your insight [01:14] indeed [01:15] it really is very python friendly though :)) [01:15] chrisccoulson_: congrats :) [01:15] heh, thanks :) [01:15] chrisccoulson_, time flies man! [01:15] chrisccoulson_: how the time flies :) [01:15] i can't believe my oldest is almost 8 [01:15] it does, this year has gone pretty quick! [01:15] chrisccoulson_: I could swear it was yesterday ;} [01:15] yeah, it feels like it ;) [03:29] not sure who to ping for SRU but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/675555 [03:29] Launchpad bug 675555 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy SRU maverick 2.32.1 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [03:53] bcurtiswx: I think pitti would be best bet. He'll wake up in a few :) [03:54] yeah, i'll talk with seb128 and didrocks.. they have been helping me out lately [03:54] bcurtiswx: I'm not sure if we put new upstream release into -proposed though [03:55] BUt then, not very familar with desktop team procedures now :) [03:55] yeah, it would go into proposed first to be tested and verified that it works all around (after my personal testing of course) [03:56] bcurtiswx: no, I mean, we generally don't update new release into older release (at least most of the time) [03:56] err, new upstream version into older release [03:56] nigelb, yeah.. maybe my wording was wrong.. upstreams at 2.91.2 but this is 2.32.1 a new upstream release to a stable release [03:57] Ahhhhh [03:57] I think there needs to be more documentation [03:57] !sru [03:57] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [03:57] yeah i know about that.. lol [03:58] One thing I hate about Sru - documentation [03:58] takes more time than it takes to get the thing working ;) [04:00] idk what to expect, as this is my 2nd SRU request [04:01] heh, all will be good :) [07:20] good morning [07:45] good morning! [07:48] late afternoon ;) [07:49] jasoncwarner: long day for you, isn't it? :) [07:54] didrocks: I took a break in the middle to go and buy a car in the big city. It didn't quite pan out ;) [07:55] and now I am supposed to talk to pitti, but he keeps telling me it is one of those german vacation days... ;) [07:55] jasoncwarner: hehe, I like this kind of break « taking a break to buy a car ». Sounds so natural :) [07:56] oh really? [07:56] now so the question is: is it the kind of german vacation that seb is taking too or not :) [07:57] didrocks: :) [07:58] Good morning (holiday today) [07:59] Guten Morgen pitti [07:59] Bonjour tout le monde :) [08:00] hey devildante [08:00] hey didrocks :) [08:02] hey didrocks [08:26] its a german vacation day? [08:26] * mvo is all ears [08:26] mvo: I think so [08:27] hey devildante! nice to see you :) [08:27] mvo: right when I also have vacations [08:27] mvo: and nice to see you too :) [08:27] devildante: unusual at this time of day - aha, vaaction === artnay_ is now known as artnay [08:27] heh :) [08:27] morning [08:28] devildante: there is a branch from you pending, right :) I want to get that in ! [08:28] mvo: zeitgeist-unused-applications? [08:29] devildante: yeah! you fixed the one comment I had about it ages ago [08:29] devildante: so I feel a bit bad for letting it slip :/ [08:29] ah [08:29] mvo: np, cause mpt just disapproved it :p [08:30] devildante: but now that UDS and vacation is over I will be quicker again (fingers crossed) [08:30] devildante: oh? [08:31] mvo: see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/zeitgeist-unused-applications/+merge/39236 [08:34] morale of the story: always don't do something without mpt's consent, or you might get bad surprises :p [08:40] devildante: ok [08:55] good morning everyone! [08:56] hey chrisccoulson [08:56] hi kklimonda, how are you> [08:57] ? [08:57] ;) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [08:57] hey chrisccoulson, kklimonda! [08:57] hey didrocks, how are you? [08:57] chrisccoulson: I think I've slept of Json tonight but otherwise I'm good :) [08:57] chrisccoulson: I'm good, thanks! And you? [08:58] heh :) [08:58] didrocks - i'm not too bad thanks. my daughters birthday today! [08:58] chrisccoulson: what have you bought your daughter for birthday? A mascot penguin? ;) [08:58] chrisccoulson: oh nice :) [08:58] lol [08:59] we got her a smart trike thingy to push her around on outside [08:59] although, the weather outside is hideous ;) [09:00] lovely European climate ;) [09:01] hmmm, weird build failure: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59221143/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.firefox-4.0_4.0~b8~hg20101117r57626%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [09:02] error: #error "Architecture not supported" - ok ;) [09:07] chrisccoulson: what does ~umd1 there mean? [09:07] ubuntu-mozilla-daily [09:08] ah, thanks :) [09:09] chrisccoulson: speaking of which, when is beta7 coming to the mozilla ppa? I want my super-fast js engine :p [09:09] (mozilla-next) [09:09] devildante, once we've uploaded it to natty [09:09] ah [09:09] we've hit a snag with the new packaging layout though, which has blocked that [09:09] abrowser uses can't upgrade properly [09:09] chrisccoulson: so no more ppa for me, all hail natty :) [09:09] I'm using dailies from mozilla ppa and I don't see much improvement :/ [09:10] chrisccoulson: thanks for the insight :) [09:10] abrowser really needs to go away and die [09:10] :) [09:10] it starts faster ;) [09:10] (much faster than ff3.6, anyway) [09:11] I have it running for as long as I'm logged in so that doesn't matter to me ;) [09:11] chrisccoulson: true [09:11] and ff4 + flash x64 beta is not the best combination in the world - flash crashes al the time :/ [09:11] good I only use it to watch some youtube ;) [09:11] fresh profile is about 1 second here, and a session restore is about 3seconds until fully rendered and usable tabs [09:11] which beats the old version by many seconds! [09:12] about flash [09:12] I have some weird "bug" with fullscreen [09:13] flash is really one big bug [09:13] that "bug" is really a feature in my case, though [09:13] remember when you wanted to change the sound volume, notify-osd triggers and flash reverts from fullscreen? [09:14] yeah :) [09:14] it seems it doesn't occur to me anymore [09:14] weeeeeeird [09:14] hmmm, perhaps that was fixed in flash [09:14] but that was 100% flash bug anyway, so it must have been ;) [09:14] chrisccoulson: but I get a white screen for 0.01s [09:15] = blink [09:15] but it's fixed as I see [09:15] weeeird [09:15] I don't think flash was updated in natty, did it? [09:15] it was dropping fullscreen on the FocusOut/NotifyGrab event it got when pressing the volume buttons [09:15] which it shouldn't have been doing [09:16] still happening here [09:17] i'd be surprised if it's fixed. adobe don't fix bugs, they only create them [09:17] :) [09:19] phew - it works even in metacity ; I was worried that a compiz bug would have masked that flash bug :p [09:19] * devildante has a weird compiz config [09:24] morning [09:26] rodrigo_, hey [09:26] how are you? [09:26] fine, thanks, and you? [09:27] I'm fine thanks [09:28] hi seb128 / rodrigo_ [09:29] hey chrisccoulson [09:29] chrisccoulson, how are you? [09:29] did you manage to get your laptop to build a firefox yesterday? ;-) [09:30] seb128 - not too bad thanks, just clearing up the wrapping paper mess after my daughter opened her birthday presents [09:30] (well, after we opened them for her) ;) [09:30] yeah, i managed to get 2 firefox builds yesterday in the end ;) [09:30] hi chrisccoulson [09:30] chrisccoulson, 2 firefox builds as present for your daughter? :) [09:30] lol [09:31] they felt like a present to me yesterday with the number of failed builds i had because of my laptop crashing ;) [09:31] chrisccoulson, oh, it's your daughter birthday? happy birthday to her then ;-) [09:31] yeah, happy birthday to her, how old is she? [09:31] I hope you got some cake ;-) [09:31] o/ rodrigo_ [09:31] hi kklimonda [09:33] kklimonda, I am importing your branch right now into a branch in git.gnome.org, btw [09:33] rodrigo_, she's 1 today :) [09:34] chrisccoulson: happy 1st birthday to her, then :) [09:34] chrisccoulson, oh, nice :) [09:34] hey rodrigo_, salut seb128 [09:34] thanks :) [09:34] lut didrocks [09:35] hi didrocks [09:37] how many french-speaking people are here, I wonder... [09:44] chrisccoulson: congrats from me as well on this :) [09:45] mvo - thanks [09:46] is your daughter feeling better today? [09:46] chrisccoulson: yes, she is sleeping, that is a good sign. and much less fever [09:46] mvo, oh, you had one of your girls not feeling well? [09:47] that's good then :) [09:47] seb128: yes, marie had fever (40°C) for two days, that was not fun [09:47] oh ok [09:47] seb128: but she is getting better now - its the age, kidnergarten and all that [09:47] glad she's starting feeling better [09:48] we've been quite fortunate with ruby, she has been ill much less than average. but i guess that will change when she starts being around other people more [09:48] she did get my ubuflu from UDS though ;) [10:12] seb128: btw, I got a lot further with my pygi/gtk3.0 jockey port -- I see the main window, can install drivers, and get message boxes :) [10:12] (and I reported three upstream bugs for pygobject) [10:12] ok, great [10:12] let me know if they are responsive to bugs ;-) [10:12] so porting is non trivial it seems? [10:13] so far I have workarounds for all of them [10:13] seb128: no, but it's not truly hard either; just a bit ugly [10:13] how so? [10:13] seb128: and currently I'm stuck with the unavailability of indicator and pynotify bindings for gtk3.0 [10:13] what are the key differences between pygtk and pygobject? (which, as I understood, is the drop-in replacement for pygtk in python 3) [10:13] but kenvandine has a WI for indicator 3.0, I think [10:13] devildante: pygtk is going away [10:14] devildante: in the new world, pygobject uses the gobject-introspection data from libraries and makes them accessible directly [10:14] ah [10:14] seb128: ugly> because of things like https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620579 [10:14] Gnome bug 620579 in introspection "Accept unicode objects in addition to strings" [Major,New] [10:14] oh, i just rewrote the firefox profile migrator in pygtk ;) [10:14] i guess i need to fix that [10:14] seb128: pygobject 2.27 helps a lot already, though (I just uploaded it) [10:15] seb128: now I'm tracking down why the expand/fill behavior is now exactly opposite (my description box stays small, and all the labels and button boxes grow huge) [10:15] pitti, I was going to suggest that yesterday when I read the blog post about the new version [10:15] but once this gets done for one project, porting the next one should be a lot easier [10:17] seb128: hellogoodbyehellogoodbyehello [10:17] ups [10:17] seb128: argh, seems my upload got stuck with the LP upgrade [10:17] seb128: but anyway, it's working a lot better, message boxes and tree iters work nicely again [10:17] it crashes right at the start, but I added a workaround and filed an upstream bug [10:19] it's still a bit young [10:19] but it's nice that somebody does some real porting to run into those issues, get them reported and fixed [10:19] right; give it another half a year, and it'll rock [10:20] let's see how responsive the upstream guys are [10:20] jockey doesn't have that much GTK code, so it's rather easy to port [10:20] seb128: I wondered why libnotify4 doesn't have anything to build a GIR -- do you know how hard it is to add? [10:20] right, that's why I said at UDS that software-center will perhaps not be ported this cycle [10:20] *nod* [10:21] dunno for the gir but the dx guys probably know [10:21] njpatel or ted [10:21] it seems to not really be hard if you api is commented correctly in the code so the parser works correctly on it [10:21] you -> your [10:22] seems the retracers don't like having launchpad down ;-) [10:23] hum [10:23] pitti, do you plan to update gdu to 2.32? [10:24] it seems we still have 2.30 [10:24] can do; I believe I already looked at it before, and there was a problem with it, but I don't remember any more [10:26] the depends on the new libnotify? [10:27] read the git log it's mostly translation updates and api updates for the new gtk [10:32] seb128: ah, perhaps it was that [10:32] seb128: I'll do it this week, just not today [10:32] today = holiday = fun stuff :) [10:32] we wanted to go hiking, but it's dreadful outside [10:32] oh right, you are on holiday ;-) [10:32] you shouldn't even be on IRC! ;-) [10:34] meh, I have a simple test program which just opens a GtkBuilder [10:34] $ gcc -o b `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` b.c [10:34] /tmp/cc948PC7.o: In function `main': [10:34] b.c:(.text+0x19): undefined reference to `gtk_builder_new' [10:34] b.c:(.text+0x32): undefined reference to `gtk_builder_add_from_file' [10:35] b.c:(.text+0x5a): undefined reference to `g_log' [10:35] oh god [10:35] what am I doing wrong here? "pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-3.0" has all the -lgtk-x11-3.0 bits [10:35] pitti: try to build with gcc-4.4 [10:35]