[08:15] <Balsaq> i was told to come here with my question
[08:15] <ikonia> this is the right place.
[08:16] <Balsaq> i was casually informed by a member of my channel that i am banned in ubuntu-women. please provide me with the text that got me banned.
[08:17] <Balsaq> i would really like to see it and if there is none, which i know there is not, i would like to speak to someone who is in charge of this type of thing.
[08:18] <ikonia> Balsaq: no problem, one of the operators who moderates #ubuntu-women can help when they are active, and if you like, you can be given the appeals process to appeal your ban
[08:19] <Balsaq> good thank you, where do i begin.
[08:19] <ikonia> Balsaq: keep in mind though, it may not have been something you actually said, but your long standing problem behaviour in many channels that may have got you banned
[08:19] <ikonia> Balsaq: just wait for an operator in #ubuntu-women to become active and answer your query,
[08:19] <Balsaq> i do not have behaviour problems?
[08:19] <ikonia> Balsaq: we disagree on that, but it's up to the #ubuntu-women operator team to resolve that ban
[08:20] <Balsaq> so you are stating that i have behaviour problems?
[08:20] <ikonia> my personal experiences with your behaviour in channels hasn't been good, no.
[08:20] <Balsaq> can you please show me what you are talking about.
[08:21] <bazhang> Balsaq, lets stick to this issue
[08:21] <bazhang> Balsaq, hypatia was the one who banned you.
[08:21] <Balsaq> well, according to ikonia, this is the issue.
[08:21] <ikonia> no I didn't say that
[08:21] <ikonia> I said "keep in mind"
[08:21] <ikonia> so don't focus on the text, more the reason you where banned
[08:21] <bazhang> Balsaq, just /msg hypatia , or wait around here for her to respond
[08:22] <Balsaq> i simply want to see the text that you accuse me of doing or possibly doing or what ever it is you are saying.
[08:22] <bazhang> Balsaq, we're not ops there, so no.
 my personal experiences with your behaviour in channels hasn't been good, no.
[08:23] <Balsaq> i want to see what prompted this comment
[08:25] <ikonia> sorry - I'm not interested in pushing that, its my personal opinion and I was trying to use it to help you understand that it may not be 1 line of text that's got you banned rather than sustained behaviour
[08:25] <Balsaq> i don't blame you for not wanting to push it because you have nothing
[08:26] <Balsaq> i could sit in here for centuries and you will still have nothing. you make negative comments and you have nothing to back them up with.
[08:26] <ikonia> no, I just can't be bothered searching through the logs for pointless examples, when it's not really directly to do with this ban.
[08:27] <Tm_T> Balsaq: then sit, unfortunately we cannot help you, you have to wait for right ops
[08:28] <Balsaq> i just want to clear my name. i have never done anything to deserve the comments you just made ikonia. i already know there is no text at all form the ban. it is your personal insult against me that i am talkning about right now.
[08:28] <Balsaq> i want to speak to someone in charge of freenode.
[08:31] <ikonia> Balsaq: then join #freenode and ask for staff
[08:31] <Balsaq> ok
[09:05] <knome> hey Balsaq, you available?
[09:08] <Balsaq> hi knome!
[09:08] <Balsaq> do you know anyone at freenode?
[09:08] <knome> just a sec, brb
[09:08] <Balsaq> ok
[09:18] <knome> okay, so
[09:18] <knome> Balsaq, i understand the problem is that you're banned from #ubuntu-women?
[09:19] <Balsaq> well that was what i was inquiring about, but then ikonia insulted me
[09:19] <Balsaq> so asked to see what he was talking about
[09:20] <knome> i also understand there's some confusion
[09:20] <Balsaq> what are you doing here knome?
[09:20] <Balsaq> hang on the microwave alarm went off
[09:20] <knome> Balsaq, trying to solve the issue
[09:21] <knome> Balsaq, i think ikonia messed up you with an another user with a similar nick
[09:22] <knome> Balsaq, also, since that user has been behaving not so well in #ubuntu-women, you got thee ban easier due to the mess
[09:23] <knome> Balsaq, so i'm sure this can be solved, but you'll have to discuss about removing the ban with the #ubuntu-women op
[09:23] <knome> +s
[09:23] <ubot4> Factoid 's' not found
[09:24] <elky> knome, uh, no, the ban is on the hostmask, so unless this person here is sharing it with the other person, there is no mixup.
[09:25] <knome> right. how accurate is the hostmask?
[09:25] <elky> unaffiliated cloak
[09:25] <Balsaq> ok back
[09:25] <knome> elky, that only?
[09:25] <elky> knome, what do you mean only?
[09:26] <elky> to be identified to the freenode-issued unaffiliated cloak, there needs to be password knowledge.
[09:26] <knome> elky, see #ubuntu-ops :)
[09:28] <Balsaq> are we done now knome?
[09:28] <knome> yes, i understand
[09:28] <Balsaq> do you know anyone at freenode?
[09:29] <knome> i don't know how that relates to this
[09:29] <knome> elky, can you tell Balsaq why the ban was set?
[09:30] <elky> http://privatepaste.com/fb9275af16 is why it was set
[09:30] <knome> (i'm with my eeepc @lecture  so i'm a bit slow to type)
[09:31] <Balsaq> there are no negative things being said by balsaq?
[09:31] <Balsaq> and i do not see anyone named hypatia
[09:31] <Balsaq> is there a freenode home office and can we paste this thing for all to see here?
[09:32] <Balsaq> i want everyome here to se this
[09:32] <Tm_T> Balsaq: freenode staff is present here too
[09:32] <knome> Balsaq, please, let's stay calm
[09:32] <Balsaq> ok i am?
[09:32] <knome> Balsaq, do you understand that in #ubuntu-women, there are many people with nicks that suggest something that's in appropriate
[09:32] <Balsaq> this channel was just told i have a behaviour problem, please let them read what u just sent me ok?
[09:33] <elky> they can see it in that pastebin.
[09:33] <elky> I am not going to flood the channel
[09:34] <Balsaq> ok i didnt realize they can view it thanks
[09:34] <elky> How would they not if you can?
[09:35] <Balsaq> i said not even one negtive word
[09:35] <Balsaq> and just left quietly
[09:36] <Balsaq> Feb 24 23:09:35 <Balsaq> well have a nice day
[09:36] <knome> Balsaq, eky told you your nick wa inappropriate for #ubuntu-women. do you understand that?
[09:36] <knome> *elky
[09:36] <knome> *was
[09:38] <elky> Balsaq, your ban from hypatia was for returning. We tend to let people return to do the right thing if they like. You didn't. You returned with a name that resembles scrotum after being told that it made people uncomfortable and then lying about it.
[09:39] <Balsaq> i said nothing negative to anyone
[09:39] <Balsaq> i just took your punushment
[09:39] <elky> You lied.
[09:39] <Balsaq> is there someone at freenode who can review this?
[09:39] <Balsaq> you are again saying really negative things
[09:40] <elky> Freenode does not have jurisdiction over the bans of channel ops.
[09:40] <Balsaq> so you are telling me you can do anything you want to people?
[09:40] <Madpilot> Balsaq, let's start with basics: do you know why your nick would be seen as unwelcome in #ubuntu-women?
[09:42] <Balsaq> i was not banned when i went there becasue i didnt do anything to get banned, nor will i ever do anything to get banned. and i got banned.
[09:42] <knome> Balsaq, please read and answer madpilots message
[09:42] <knome> +to
[09:42] <ubot4> Factoid 'to' not found
[09:42] <Balsaq> i have read the entire interaction
[09:43] <Balsaq> i have seen worse eachand everyday here
 Balsaq, let's start with basics: do you know why your nick would be seen as unwelcome in #ubuntu-women?
[09:43] <elky> ^ answer that, Balsaq.
[09:43] <Balsaq> i said nothing negative to anyone nor will i
[09:43] <elky> directly, not with some vagueness.
[09:43] <Balsaq> i do not have to answer to u, u have degraded me
[09:43] <knome> Balsaq, no, the question he asked you a minute ago
[09:43] <Madpilot> dude, this is about your nick. Answer my question.
[09:43] <Balsaq> there is nothing wrong wit hmy nick
[09:44] <Balsaq> knome i am in your channel everday?
[09:44] <Balsaq> we have no problems, i see u and speak in your channel?
[09:44] <knome> Balsaq, yes, but #ubuntu-women is not #xubuntu
[09:44] <Madpilot> do you not see how a nick that is a synonym for "scrotum" might unwelcome in #ubuntu-women, Balsaq?
[09:44] <Madpilot> might *be* unwelcome, that is.
[09:45] <Balsaq> they explained their position and insulted me and i said nothing bad to them
[09:45] <Balsaq> and i left peacefully
[09:45] <elky> Balsaq, we don't owe you anything.
[09:45] <knome> Balsaq, if you want to solve the issue, please try to co-operate.
[09:45] <Balsaq> i am
[09:45] <knome> Balsaq, if you're not willing to do that, we can't help you.
[09:45] <knome> Balsaq, i'm sorry you feel degraded and insulted.
[09:46] <Balsaq> its written
[09:46] <knome> Balsaq, it's not that anybody wants to do that.
[09:46] <Balsaq> right here and there
[09:46] <Balsaq> its right in the text
[09:46] <Balsaq> what has been said towards me and what i said
[09:46] <Madpilot> Balsaq, you still haven't answered my questions about your nick and #ubuntu-women... come on, it's not a complicated question.
[09:47] <Balsaq> i told you i do not have to justify anyhting with you about my nick. there is nothing to justify.
[09:47] <elky> Madpilot, this is exactly the kind of vague insolence that resulted in us asking him to depart. He refuses to understand how others might feel, and that's a threatening attitude for a channel that's supposed to be safe.
[09:48] <knome> Balsaq, we don't have any problems with you in #xubuntu, but if you can't discuss the #ubuntu-women issue, you will not be unbanned from that channel
[09:48] <topyli> to ensure you understand the basics Balsaq, different channels have different norms, which you should become familiar with and acknowledge when you use the channels. you ask if the ops "can do what they want." yes, channel ops enforce those norms
[09:48] <Balsaq> i cannot stop you from saying these things
[09:48] <elky> Balsaq, you're refusing to see things from other people's perspective.
[09:48] <Balsaq> there are no words i can say that will stop your insults so dont ask me too
[09:48] <Madpilot> Balsaq, do you really have no clue how a nick referencing male genitals might be wrong in a channel aimed at female Ubuntu users?
[09:49] <Balsaq> all isaid was i wnat to take this text to someone else higher up and show then what you are doinf too me
[09:49] <Tm_T> Balsaq: all higher ups are here, right now
[09:49] <Balsaq> i still have not said a negative word too any of you
[09:50] <Balsaq> ok so if this is it then i will have to seek help elsewhere you are all against me
[09:50] <knome> Balsaq, this is the only place to find help for getting the ban lifted at #ubuntu-women
[09:50] <Balsaq> so i will leave, no need totalk about it anymore here.
[09:51] <Balsaq> well noone here agrees with me
[09:52] <elky> Balsaq, there's more to interaction than the precise definition of words. Your attitude is poor, and that's what is mattering here.
[09:52] <Balsaq> see what i mean?
[09:52] <Balsaq> i dont have a poor attitude, just becasue you say i do
[09:53] <Balsaq> you ssem to think you can cut ppl down...maybe you can, i'll find out.
[09:53] <Madpilot> No, you have a poor attitude because you repeatedly show us that you do. Answer my earlier questions...
[09:54] <Balsaq> i don;t know you. i have done nothing to you, and i have nothing to explain, my words are in clear text. i will not explain your imagination.
[09:54] <knome> lunch. bbl.
[09:54] <popey> Balsaq: hi, what's the derivation of your irc nickname? What made you choose it?
[09:54] <Balsaq> i am going to go now.
[09:54] <Balsaq> thanks for adding a few extra insults during our chat.
[09:55] <Balsaq> what i have done and said is all recorded and i don;t need to talk anymore, tha nks
[09:55] <popey> Balsaq: i just wondred
[09:55] <Balsaq> ok thanks.
[09:56] <Balsaq> i hope the other people who haveheard these insults don't believe it.
[09:56] <Balsaq> cya.
[10:22] <nigelb> Wow.
[10:40] <Tm_T> nigelb: no, we do not provide support for that game
[10:41] <Tm_T> we hug each others instead
[10:41]  * Tm_T huggles all
[11:27] <nigelb> Tm_T: haha.
[11:27] <nigelb> But note, I said Wow, not WoW which is the game ;)
[11:57] <topyli> WoW players are notoriously bad spellers
[11:58] <nigelb> Aha, that should prove I don't play :p
[18:27] <mattva01> Would it be possible to get an IRC cloak? LP here: https://launchpad.net/~mattva01
[18:30] <serfus> mattva01, seems like you are not an ubuntu member
[18:30] <serfus> !member
[18:30] <mattva01> ..., I am a ubuntu member, look at my membership on LP
[18:31] <serfus> mattva01, oh right. sorry, i missed it :)
[18:32] <topyli> mattva01: right. staff around? could we get an ubuntu/member cloak for mattva01 please?
[18:32] <mattva01> np :p
[18:33] <niko> mattva01: congrats
[18:34] <topyli> thanks
[18:36] <mattva01> thanks
[20:33] <rabidweezle> The Orkut Ubuntu group wishes to run a frozen-bubble tourney in the channel #ubuntu-group (as much as I know, an empty channel) on friday night as a fun game night event. I am the organiser and wanted to pass this by you to see if it's okay with you guys.
[20:34] <rabidweezle> It's just advertised in the Orkut group itself for signed up members.
[20:35] <rabidweezle> I was referred here by #freenode when asking them for permission
[21:47] <tsimpson|n800> rabidweezle: #ubuntu-games would probably be more appropriate, it's currently unused too
[22:16] <niko> is it possible to use 2 channels in #ubuntu-* namespace for a wolfbot in english ?