Pici | maco: done. | 00:02 |
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maco | Pici: thanks | 00:02 |
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ikonia | @mark #ubuntu poutine ban evading with new host | 08:03 |
ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 08:03 |
ikonia | hello Balsaq | 08:08 |
Balsaq | hello ikonia | 08:09 |
ikonia | how can we help you today Balsaq ? | 08:10 |
Balsaq | i was just informed by a memebr of my channel, that i am banned in a room where i did not speak. could you possibly provide with the test that got me banned? | 08:10 |
Balsaq | i would really like to see the text that got me banned. | 08:10 |
Balsaq | becasue there is NONE. Iw il stake my life on it. | 08:10 |
Balsaq | who is in charge at freenode? | 08:11 |
bazhang | what channel | 08:11 |
Balsaq | ubuntu-women | 08:12 |
bazhang | try #ubuntu-irc | 08:12 |
Balsaq | ok? | 08:12 |
bazhang | this is not the channel to deal with bans in -women | 08:12 |
Balsaq | what is that | 08:12 |
bazhang | where you should go | 08:12 |
Balsaq | ok what do i do | 08:12 |
Balsaq | i want someone who is in charge to pull the text that got me banned and paste it so we can see it. | 08:13 |
bazhang | /join #ubuntu-irc | 08:14 |
KB1JWQ | Balsaq: Please give it a rest. | 08:14 |
Balsaq | i will try this ubuntu-irc | 08:14 |
ikonia | Balsaq: then please leave this channel | 08:15 |
Balsaq | no problem | 08:15 |
ikonia | thank you | 08:15 |
bazhang | from the bt log he seems to have a long time issue there. no point in us getting any further involved with it | 08:23 |
ikonia | no, I agree | 08:24 |
ikonia | for some reason I'm only showing a few bans for him in BT, yet I know there are a ton | 08:24 |
ikonia | I wonder if it's something to do with most of his bans on IP, and not nick/cloak | 08:25 |
ikonia | I only see 4 bans | 08:25 |
ikonia | or entries I should say | 08:26 |
Tm_T | ikonia: most likely | 08:26 |
bazhang | one entry in the bt log is entirely bt sync :) | 08:26 |
ikonia | yes | 08:26 |
topyli | he was hardly banned for the "." we see in the bt :) | 08:27 |
ikonia | I wonder when he was cloaked ? | 08:27 |
ikonia | topyli: we ALL know that, but I don't know why (beyond IP bans) why BT's not showing more info | 08:27 |
Tm_T | should I go thru my records? | 08:27 |
Tm_T | is he using other nicks? | 08:28 |
bazhang | tons | 08:28 |
Tm_T | righto | 08:28 |
bazhang | ubuxubu is a prominent one of late | 08:28 |
Tm_T | I'll check what I got, one moment | 08:29 |
ikonia | a lot of his other nicks where commented in BT, but I can't get them to show ?? | 08:33 |
Tm_T | quick grepping (which isn't so quick due disk I/O) there isn't much, but I only checked this year | 08:43 |
Hobbsee | @btlogin | 08:44 |
ikonia | Tm_T: probably because he was on a long term ban (or should have been) | 08:45 |
Tm_T | ye | 08:46 |
Tm_T | I found several removes, and discussions about him | 08:46 |
Tm_T | he hasn't changed a bit | 08:46 |
ikonia | the fact that he's in #freenode now asking how to get to the corperate office, shows he's just time wasting to be a problem | 08:46 |
jussi | and staff know him well I see: [10:33:48] <KB1JWQ> Balsaq: Oh here we go again. What can I help you with? | 08:48 |
Tm_T | <3 | 08:48 |
KB1JWQ | In fairness that was my mistake. | 08:48 |
jussi | KB1JWQ: ahh, ok. | 08:48 |
KB1JWQ | I got his nick confused with that of a very similar user. | 08:48 |
Tm_T | bacta? | 08:48 |
KB1JWQ | balsaq seems reasonable. | 08:48 |
KB1JWQ | Nah, I'm not that far gone. | 08:48 |
Tm_T | (:) | 08:48 |
Tm_T | KB1JWQ: he seems | 08:49 |
ikonia | could be anyone, bacta, jungli, panarchy, asuestek - take your pick, plenty to get mixed up with | 08:49 |
KB1JWQ | What did balsaq do this evening that caused an upset? | 08:49 |
KB1JWQ | I haven't been paying attention, lot of demands on my time. | 08:49 |
knome | no, he's not any of those. | 08:49 |
jpds | Do not assume anything. | 08:50 |
KB1JWQ | Assume I'm stupid; what did he actually *do*? :-) | 08:50 |
jussi | I suspect that his name may have something to do with the ban in -women - it sounds rather similar to something they would be sensitive to. | 08:50 |
jussi | KB1JWQ: we arent sure atm | 08:50 |
knome | jpds, well i've "known" him for months | 08:50 |
KB1JWQ | I was confusing him with ballsac. | 08:51 |
ikonia | KB1JWQ: ahhhhh | 08:51 |
ikonia | I wonder if thats what #ubuntu-women have done ? | 08:51 |
KB1JWQ | Makes a lot of sense. | 08:51 |
ikonia | (and myself) | 08:51 |
knome | his nick used to be something else, just can't remember what | 08:51 |
KB1JWQ | I think that that may be what a lot of us have done. | 08:52 |
knome | he also uses the nick ubuXubu, btw | 08:52 |
knome | tostitos was the prev. nick, iirc | 08:52 |
ikonia | I suppose we could ask if he's used any other nicks | 08:52 |
KB1JWQ | So we may be unintentionally calling down grief upon a poor user who's done nothing more than chosing an unfortunate nick. | 08:52 |
ikonia | KB1JWQ: very possible | 08:52 |
KB1JWQ | No need, ikonia. | 08:52 |
KB1JWQ | I have a script that tracks that. That's not his. | 08:52 |
knome | ikonia, see my comments;) | 08:52 |
KB1JWQ | I see a list of users, but nothing objectionable. | 08:53 |
ikonia | KB1JWQ: however he did join #ubuntu-offtopic and post a video about farts, not suggests he's not exactly the angel of maturity | 08:53 |
ikonia | not that, it warrents the assumption I've made | 08:53 |
knome | lol | 08:53 |
KB1JWQ | So can we give him the benefit of the doubt and let him roam freely until he crosses a clearly defined line? | 08:53 |
ikonia | he's only banned from #ubuntu-women | 08:53 |
ikonia | he's never spoke in there, | 08:53 |
ikonia | and the fuss he's making over it doesn't suggest good intentions for me personally | 08:53 |
Hobbsee | one could always let him free, then reban after a few lines of rubbish. *shrug* | 08:54 |
ikonia | (personal opinion) | 08:54 |
Hobbsee | then document it better | 08:54 |
ikonia | let the #ubuntu-women ops deal with it | 08:54 |
ikonia | Hobbsee: it's only 1 channel, | 08:54 |
ikonia | it's not like he's banned from the name space | 08:54 |
knome | ikonia, mmaybe he's also non-mature, but also sometimes very playful (not to be interpreted in a negative wa though - he's basically a nice guy) | 08:54 |
Hobbsee | ikonia: exactly | 08:54 |
KB1JWQ | Probably best that way. Consider it a personal favor to me. | 08:54 |
ikonia | knome: not doubting that, it appears (myself included) he may be mixed up with ballsaq | 08:55 |
KB1JWQ | ballsac. :-) | 08:55 |
ikonia | that too | 08:55 |
KB1JWQ | "Balsaq" is actually a legitimate last name in some parts of the world. | 08:55 |
knome | ikonia, mmh, just my 2 cents. he's been around a lot @#xubuntu | 08:56 |
ikonia | I guess the #ubuntu-women ops can sort it, I'll message the banner though to make sure she's not done the same thing as us | 08:56 |
ikonia | if it is a case of mistaken identity, I'll apologise to him myself too | 08:56 |
Tm_T | well, he's been asked nicely to change his nick earlier, only to give attitude and excuses | 08:57 |
ikonia | oh? I didn't see that | 08:57 |
knome | really? | 08:58 |
ikonia | ok, well I guess he was banned for that then, judging by elky's comments | 08:58 |
KB1JWQ | Yeah-- i"m not trying to interfere in channel politics. | 08:59 |
ikonia | apparantly, he's been told to change his nick, he knows what the ban is about and is just playing dumb now | 08:59 |
KB1JWQ | He was upset and came to staff in a manner that's unlike most trolls, so I figured I'd dig a bit deeper. | 08:59 |
ikonia | KB1JWQ: it would appear so | 08:59 |
jussi | but surely, if he is creepy/a problem, then he will get banned soon enough... | 08:59 |
* Hobbsee defers to elky | 09:00 | |
ikonia | jussi: he's already banned for refusing to change his nick | 09:00 |
ikonia | jussi: there isn't a problem | 09:00 |
KB1JWQ | jussi: That's my take. Let him incriminate himself, then ban him with a pile of evidence as opposed to a bunch of hearsay. | 09:00 |
ikonia | why | 09:00 |
ikonia | an operator asked him to change his nick, he's refused, he got banned | 09:00 |
ikonia | from what I'm now reading its a simple case of if you really want to be in #ubuntu-women, change your nick | 09:01 |
ikonia | from what I'm reading he's more keen about making a fuss than getting back into the channel | 09:01 |
KB1JWQ | Okay. I'll accept that. | 09:01 |
ikonia | maybe knome could have a chat to him as he has a bit of a relationship with him | 09:02 |
ikonia | explain it to hiim ? | 09:02 |
knome | ikonia, sure. | 09:02 |
jussi | good idea. | 09:02 |
KB1JWQ | Thanks. :-) | 09:02 |
knome | maybe still invite him here? | 09:02 |
ikonia | according to elky he knows why he was banned (which is probably why he's kicking up a stink) | 09:03 |
ikonia | knome: maybe better in #ubuntu-irc | 09:03 |
ikonia | where it "should" be resolved ? | 09:03 |
knome | so you can all follow | 09:03 |
ikonia | most of us are in #ubuntu-irc | 09:03 |
jussi | he has been around a bit, I reconise the nick, but still, I havent seen any behavioural issues apart from the misfortune of a marginally bad nick. | 09:03 |
ikonia | jussi: I think it's the nick comfusion thats painted a worse picture, | 09:04 |
knome | ikonia, oki, i can invite him there and join myself as well :) | 09:04 |
ikonia | knome: he's already in there | 09:04 |
jussi | knome: he is there last time I looked | 09:04 |
knome | ah, okay | 09:04 |
jussi | ikonia: yes, i think so also - it leads to the old rule about assuming someone is bad often makes them act worse than normal. | 09:05 |
ikonia | very true | 09:05 |
ikonia | I know I wouldn't be too happy to be assumed to be jewkonia | 09:05 |
knome | yeah | 09:06 |
elky | http://privatepaste.com/fb9275af16 is the logs I have of his banning from that channel. | 09:06 |
elky | When considering his excuse, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_India may be a useful reference, as may the first hit on google for the string: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BALSAQ' | 09:07 |
jpds | Righto. | 09:12 |
elky | Just about any civil response that didn't involve UD would probably have been better. | 09:13 |
bazhang | othello is poutine? | 09:17 |
ikonia | don't think so, but we'll find out | 09:20 |
ikonia | hello othello | 09:20 |
othello | now im gonna hack u | 09:20 |
Madpilot | can the scriptkiddy routine, you're not going to impress | 09:20 |
ikonia | he impressed me | 09:20 |
topyli | :) | 09:21 |
elky | was poutine on an aussie internet? | 09:21 |
ikonia | he probably ran his script on localhost | 09:21 |
ikonia | killed himself off | 09:21 |
ikonia | elky: I don't think so | 09:21 |
Madpilot | ikonia, we can hope :) | 09:21 |
ikonia | must dash, off to an office | 09:22 |
ikonia | knome: thank you | 09:22 |
knome | ikonia, np | 09:22 |
jpds | Nice. | 09:22 |
elky | knome, wth? | 09:25 |
elky | only?! | 09:25 |
knome | i mean :P | 09:25 |
knome | *!*@unaffiliatednick ? | 09:26 |
knome | not something!something@cloak | 09:26 |
elky | I still don't understand how that's an "only" | 09:27 |
knome | nvm the only then | 09:27 |
knome | what's the reaon for the ban for balsaq then? | 09:27 |
knome | the nick? | 09:27 |
elky | the attitude after being asked about the nick | 09:28 |
knome | does ballsac use the same cloak? | 09:28 |
knome | right | 09:28 |
elky | knome, this isn't about ballsac | 09:28 |
elky | this has nothing to do with ballsac | 09:28 |
knome | yeah | 09:28 |
knome | that's what i thought as well | 09:29 |
elky | I really don't like his attitude of thinking he can force his way in to other people's spaces. | 09:42 |
elky | can someone turn the + operator off ubottu? | 09:42 |
bazhang | ubot4 | 09:43 |
knome | could somebody just fix my typing? | 09:43 |
bazhang | +knome | 09:44 |
elky | whose is ubot4? | 09:44 |
bazhang | j pds | 09:45 |
Madpilot | willful cluelessness about his damn nick... | 09:45 |
elky | Madpilot, yes, and I have no idea why he wants to be in the channel either. Other than because it contains women to talk at judging by his entrance in the log I posted. | 09:46 |
Madpilot | seems like it. charming. | 09:47 |
Madpilot | FFS. willfully thick. | 09:49 |
popey | Isn't Balsaq this guys family name? | 09:49 |
knome | no idea | 09:49 |
Mamarok_ | this is going in circles | 09:49 |
elky | popey, he'd have said it by now if so | 09:49 |
popey | Fabrizio Balsaq | 09:49 |
elky | popey, he's never even indicated as much | 09:49 |
knome | popey, does ircname prove anythig? | 09:49 |
Madpilot | he spun some BS story about Indian airlines initially | 09:49 |
popey | knome: a simple google search for launchpad and balsaq turns up mails to the xubuntu lists | 09:50 |
elky | popey, the dishonesty is the issue more than the name. | 09:50 |
popey | dishonesty? | 09:50 |
Mamarok_ | and I don't see what he would contribute to the u-w project anyway, if he doesn't see the problem | 09:50 |
elky | popey, he quoted UD when we asked what his name meant. | 09:50 |
elky | Mamarok, yeah, exactly | 09:51 |
popey | yeah, I can see why someone might do that | 09:51 |
knome | popey, i could think it is his family name, but till that doesn't prove anything | 09:51 |
popey | what does it need to prove? | 09:51 |
knome | well... | 09:51 |
knome | it being hi family nme | 09:51 |
knome | *name | 09:51 |
Mamarok_ | he never said it was in the first place, but talked abut some non-existing Indian airline | 09:51 |
popey | well it seems nobody has actually _asked_ him about that | 09:51 |
knome | *his | 09:51 |
knome | GAAAH | 09:51 |
Mamarok_ | popey: he could have said that, no? Why did he try making it up? | 09:52 |
popey | I dont believe he made anything up | 09:52 |
Mamarok_ | I see no reason to let this person in u-w | 09:52 |
elky | popey, actually, we did ask what it meant. | 09:52 |
Mamarok_ | and he didn't say it was his famil name | 09:52 |
popey | the question "what does popey mean" makes no sense | 09:52 |
Mamarok_ | but quoted UD with some non-existing Indian airline | 09:52 |
popey | but "where does the nick popey come from" does | 09:53 |
elky | Jan 18 16:59:58 *Balsaq (n=Sausage@unaffiliated/balsaq) has joined #ubuntu-women <-- doesn't help either, to be honest. | 09:53 |
Mamarok_ | definitely | 09:53 |
knome | i will have to leave soon for lunch | 09:53 |
knome | to be exact, now | 09:54 |
knome | bbl | 09:54 |
Madpilot | "Balsaq'n'Sausage"... nice. | 09:54 |
jpds | Go go paranoia. | 09:54 |
Mamarok_ | right... | 09:54 |
knome | btw can somebody monitor #xubuntu? | 09:55 |
elky | Madpilot, yeah. | 09:55 |
Mamarok_ | if he refuses to answer that simple question... | 09:55 |
knome | -> | 09:55 |
popey | well, I'd probably refuse to answer in his shoes | 09:56 |
popey | if it was the _first_ question I might do | 09:56 |
Tm_T | I fail to see insults he claim being given | 09:57 |
Mamarok_ | oh come one | 09:57 |
Mamarok_ | he was not insulted AFAICS | 09:57 |
Tm_T | that's what I tried to say | 09:57 |
Tm_T | he was repeating "I'm insulted" when he was asked simple questions | 09:58 |
popey | cooks? | 09:58 |
Tm_T | that | 10:00 |
jussi | If jussi meant something nasty in indian Id likely not change it - and I could understand someone getting grumpy about it. However, he is being rather short. | 10:00 |
Tm_T | jussi: but you could discuss about it without any trouble, I'm sure | 10:00 |
elky | jussi, you'd probably at some point in the history of ever state that it's actually your name. He hasn't even done that. | 10:01 |
jpds | jussi: Now you're attacking his height. | 10:01 |
jussi | jpds: rofl | 10:01 |
elky | Which makes me wonder if he's taken it as a pseudonym for the sake of the shock value | 10:01 |
jpds | → http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg | 10:02 |
Tm_T | he has nothing but avoided the subject, even in previous discussions | 10:02 |
jussi | basically regardless of what the name is, he is saying it doesnt matter, dont judge me by my name. | 10:02 |
popey | Am I the _only_ one who would pronounce that as "bal" not "ball"? | 10:02 |
popey | as in a short A in Balloon. | 10:03 |
popey | the same way I pronouce "Balsamic" | 10:03 |
jussi | popey: thats how I would have said it | 10:03 |
topyli | whatever the case, if i need a channel for something, i usually try to figure out the norms there so that i'm welcome. i also don't usually start arguing with the ops right away | 10:03 |
popey | not Ballsamic | 10:03 |
topyli | but that's just me | 10:03 |
Tm_T | popey: you're not (: | 10:03 |
popey | Right, so someone arrives in a channel, is told by someone who potentually mispronounces his family name that his choice of nick is inappropriate. In a nutshell. | 10:05 |
elky | And then proceeds to outright tell us we're imagining it. Yep. | 10:07 |
topyli | which is when they should explain that it's their name and means no offence, and perhaps ask for permission to keep it especially as that's how he's known elsewhere | 10:07 |
topyli | (instead of linking to urban dictionary as proof that it's an indian airline) | 10:08 |
elky | And generally not follow this up by saying they've been banned from a channel they never spoke in. | 10:08 |
popey | I'm sure there are channels I would assert I have never spoken in, but logs would prove otherwise. | 10:09 |
ubottu | chid called the ops in #ubuntu () | 10:25 |
jussi | KB1JWQ: or staff if you are about, coline, spambot | 10:27 |
ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (chid appears to be abusive - 4) | 11:57 |
popey | ... whereas "bastardchild1982" is an okay nickname? | 13:50 |
LjL | please unban 61.149.210.81, he doesn't appear to be an open proxy at the present time | 13:51 |
IdleOne | LjL: done | 13:52 |
LjL | thanks | 13:52 |
IdleOne | thank yopu | 13:52 |
IdleOne | you* | 13:52 |
IdleOne | popey: ask him to change nick | 13:52 |
IdleOne | IMO bastardchild is not as offensive as some nicks we have seen | 13:54 |
popey | IdleOne: I am not an op in #ubuntu | 13:54 |
IdleOne | popey: you don't have to be to help :) | 13:54 |
IdleOne | well done :) | 13:58 |
IdleOne | popey: just proved that a politely worded request does work | 14:00 |
IdleOne | *sometimes* | 14:00 |
popey | yeah, till he rejoins | 14:01 |
IdleOne | yeah | 14:02 |
IdleOne | I just noticed | 14:02 |
esigolo | i`m not a bot | 15:31 |
esigolo | oO | 15:31 |
ikonia | ok | 15:31 |
ikonia | esigolo: our bots think you are running on an open proxy | 15:31 |
esigolo | ikonia, is because our firewall (watchguard) | 15:31 |
ikonia | I don't know why, but possibly | 15:32 |
ikonia | esigolo: do you want to try rejoining #ubuntu and I'll watch what happens ? | 15:32 |
esigolo | what should i do? | 15:32 |
mahen23 | hi, eum why am i still banned? | 16:43 |
ikonia | mahen23: because you didn't resolve the ban | 16:43 |
ikonia | so it won't get lifted until you do | 16:43 |
mahen23 | resolve the ban? | 16:44 |
ikonia | yes, work out / understand why you where banned, and agree to stop doing it | 16:44 |
mahen23 | U MEEN NEEDZ 2 ASK FORGIVENES? | 16:45 |
ikonia | err no | 16:45 |
ikonia | (don't need the caps or the l33t speak) | 16:45 |
ikonia | I just mean understand why you where banned, and agree between ops/you to not to it | 16:46 |
ikonia | apologies if I didn't say that clearly | 16:46 |
mahen23 | i asked to be banned..... | 16:46 |
ikonia | ok, so that's why your banned then | 16:46 |
ikonia | why are you surprised you are still banned ? | 16:46 |
mahen23 | i thought its a bot thing and i will be removed from a sort of list after a given amount of time | 16:47 |
ikonia | no | 16:47 |
ikonia | it's manual | 16:47 |
ikonia | each case is different so it requries interaction from the operator | 16:47 |
mahen23 | so who is the operator | 16:48 |
ikonia | this channel holds the operators | 16:48 |
ikonia | you're welcome to talk to any of us | 16:48 |
ikonia | mahen23: do you want to be unbanne ? | 16:49 |
ikonia | unbanned even | 16:49 |
ikonia | mahen23: hello ? | 16:52 |
ikonia | oh | 16:52 |
* jussi zaps ikonia in pm | 16:54 | |
ikonia | what what | 16:55 |
* Pici blinks | 17:11 | |
mneptok | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: do you need something from the ops? | 18:59 |
ubottu | LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (fdas) | 20:15 |
topyli | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: hello? | 20:27 |
ikonia | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: hello ? | 20:55 |
ikonia | !idle | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx | 21:03 |
ubottu | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. | 21:03 |
ubottu | In #ubuntu-bots, LjL said: !perl2 is <alias> perl | 21:04 |
ubottu | In #ubuntu-bots, LjL said: !whoops is i meant this for the other bot! | 21:04 |
ikonia | hello taybot | 22:09 |
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IdleOne | !idle | taypet | 22:13 |
ubottu | taypet: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. | 22:13 |
ikonia | taypet: hello | 22:13 |
ikonia | taypet: its clear your active as you've just changed nicks, can you please respond | 22:14 |
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ikonia | taybot: can you please respond | 22:17 |
=== taybot is now known as taypet | ||
ikonia | topyli: can you assist, it's clear taypet is trying to provoke | 22:18 |
ikonia | topyli: sorry, I last saw you as active | 22:18 |
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topyli | gah! very sorry, was distracted by the simpsons | 22:23 |
tsimpson|n800 | don't blame me | 22:27 |
topyli | hehe | 22:27 |
ikonia | !info linux-image-#jaunty | 23:31 |
ubottu | Package linux-image-jaunty does not exist in maverick | 23:31 |
elky | !info jaunty linux-image | 23:36 |
ubottu | 'linux-image' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, partner, stable, testing, unstable | 23:36 |
elky | !info linux-image jaunty | 23:36 |
ubottu | linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.28.19.24 (jaunty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB | 23:36 |
elky | Theeeeeeeere we go | 23:36 |
ikonia | I was having a moment | 23:36 |
* elky pats ikonia on the head. | 23:36 |
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