[00:02] <Pici> maco: done.
[00:02] <maco> Pici: thanks
[08:03] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu poutine ban evading with new host
[08:08] <ikonia> hello Balsaq
[08:09] <Balsaq> hello ikonia
[08:10] <ikonia> how can we help you today Balsaq ?
[08:10] <Balsaq> i was just informed by a memebr of my channel, that i am banned in a room where i did not speak. could you possibly provide with the test that got me banned?
[08:10] <Balsaq> i would really like to see the text that got me banned.
[08:10] <Balsaq> becasue there is NONE. Iw il stake my life on it.
[08:11] <Balsaq> who is in charge at freenode?
[08:11] <bazhang> what channel
[08:12] <Balsaq> ubuntu-women
[08:12] <bazhang> try #ubuntu-irc
[08:12] <Balsaq> ok?
[08:12] <bazhang> this is not the channel to deal with bans in -women
[08:12] <Balsaq> what is that
[08:12] <bazhang> where you should go
[08:12] <Balsaq> ok what do i do
[08:13] <Balsaq> i want someone who is in charge to pull the text that got me banned and paste it so we can see it.
[08:14] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu-irc
[08:14] <KB1JWQ> Balsaq: Please give it a rest.
[08:14] <Balsaq> i will try this ubuntu-irc
[08:15] <ikonia> Balsaq: then please leave this channel
[08:15] <Balsaq> no problem
[08:15] <ikonia> thank you
[08:23] <bazhang> from the bt log he seems to have a long time issue there. no point in us getting any further involved with it
[08:24] <ikonia> no, I agree
[08:24] <ikonia> for some reason I'm only showing a few bans for him in BT, yet I know there are a ton
[08:25] <ikonia> I wonder if it's something to do with most of his bans on IP, and not nick/cloak
[08:25] <ikonia> I only see 4 bans
[08:26] <ikonia> or entries I should say
[08:26] <Tm_T> ikonia: most likely
[08:26] <bazhang> one entry in the bt log is entirely bt sync :)
[08:26] <ikonia> yes
[08:27] <topyli> he was hardly banned for the "." we see in the bt :)
[08:27] <ikonia> I wonder when he was cloaked ?
[08:27] <ikonia> topyli: we ALL know that, but I don't know why (beyond IP bans) why BT's not showing more info
[08:27] <Tm_T> should I go thru my records?
[08:28] <Tm_T> is he using other nicks?
[08:28] <bazhang> tons
[08:28] <Tm_T> righto
[08:28] <bazhang> ubuxubu is a prominent one of late
[08:29] <Tm_T> I'll check what I got, one moment
[08:33] <ikonia> a lot of his other nicks where commented in BT, but I can't get them to show ??
[08:43] <Tm_T> quick grepping (which isn't so quick due disk I/O) there isn't much, but I only checked this year
[08:44] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[08:45] <ikonia> Tm_T: probably because he was on a long term ban (or should have been)
[08:46] <Tm_T> ye
[08:46] <Tm_T> I found several removes, and discussions about him
[08:46] <Tm_T> he hasn't changed a bit
[08:46] <ikonia> the fact that he's in #freenode now asking how to get to the corperate office, shows he's just time wasting to be a problem
[08:48] <jussi>  and staff know him well I see: [10:33:48] <KB1JWQ> Balsaq: Oh here we go again.  What can I help you with?
[08:48] <Tm_T> <3
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> In fairness that was my mistake.
[08:48] <jussi> KB1JWQ: ahh, ok.
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> I got his nick confused with that of a very similar user.
[08:48] <Tm_T> bacta?
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> balsaq seems reasonable.
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> Nah, I'm not that far gone.
[08:48] <Tm_T> (:)
[08:49] <Tm_T> KB1JWQ: he seems
[08:49] <ikonia> could be anyone, bacta, jungli, panarchy, asuestek - take your pick, plenty to get mixed up with
[08:49] <KB1JWQ> What did balsaq do this evening that caused an upset?
[08:49] <KB1JWQ> I haven't been paying attention, lot of demands on my time.
[08:49] <knome> no, he's not any of those.
[08:50] <jpds> Do not assume anything.
[08:50] <KB1JWQ> Assume I'm stupid; what did he actually *do*? :-)
[08:50] <jussi> I suspect that his name may have something to do with the ban in -women - it sounds rather similar to something they would be sensitive to.
[08:50] <jussi> KB1JWQ: we arent sure atm
[08:50] <knome> jpds, well i've "known" him for months
[08:51] <KB1JWQ> I was confusing him with ballsac.
[08:51] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: ahhhhh
[08:51] <ikonia> I wonder if thats what #ubuntu-women have done ?
[08:51] <KB1JWQ> Makes a lot of sense.
[08:51] <ikonia> (and myself)
[08:51] <knome> his nick used to be something else, just can't remember what
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> I think that that may be what a lot of us have done.
[08:52] <knome> he also uses the nick ubuXubu, btw
[08:52] <knome> tostitos was the prev. nick, iirc
[08:52] <ikonia> I suppose we could ask if he's used any other nicks
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> So we may be unintentionally calling down grief upon a poor user who's done nothing more than chosing an unfortunate nick.
[08:52] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: very possible
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> No need, ikonia.
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> I have a script that tracks that.  That's not his.
[08:52] <knome> ikonia, see my comments;)
[08:53] <KB1JWQ> I see a list of users, but nothing objectionable.
[08:53] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: however he did join #ubuntu-offtopic and post a video about farts, not suggests he's not exactly the angel of maturity
[08:53] <ikonia> not that, it warrents the assumption I've made
[08:53] <knome> lol
[08:53] <KB1JWQ> So can we give him the benefit of the doubt and let him roam freely until he crosses a clearly defined line?
[08:53] <ikonia> he's only banned from #ubuntu-women
[08:53] <ikonia> he's never spoke in there,
[08:53] <ikonia> and the fuss he's making over it doesn't suggest good intentions for me personally
[08:54] <Hobbsee> one could always let him free, then reban after a few lines of rubbish.  *shrug*
[08:54] <ikonia> (personal opinion)
[08:54] <Hobbsee> then document it better
[08:54] <ikonia> let the #ubuntu-women ops deal with it
[08:54] <ikonia> Hobbsee: it's only 1 channel,
[08:54] <ikonia> it's not like he's banned from the name space
[08:54] <knome> ikonia, mmaybe he's also non-mature, but also sometimes very playful (not to be interpreted in a negative wa though - he's basically a nice guy)
[08:54] <Hobbsee> ikonia: exactly
[08:54] <KB1JWQ> Probably best that way.  Consider it a personal favor to me.
[08:55] <ikonia> knome: not doubting that, it appears (myself included) he may be mixed up with ballsaq
[08:55] <KB1JWQ> ballsac. :-)
[08:55] <ikonia> that too
[08:55] <KB1JWQ> "Balsaq" is actually a legitimate last name in some parts of the world.
[08:56] <knome> ikonia, mmh, just my 2 cents. he's been around a lot @#xubuntu
[08:56] <ikonia> I guess the #ubuntu-women ops can sort it, I'll message the banner though to make sure she's not done the same thing as us
[08:56] <ikonia> if it is a case of mistaken identity, I'll apologise to him myself too
[08:57] <Tm_T> well, he's been asked nicely to change his nick earlier, only to give attitude and excuses
[08:57] <ikonia> oh? I didn't see that
[08:58] <knome> really?
[08:58] <ikonia> ok, well I guess he was banned for that then, judging by elky's comments
[08:59] <KB1JWQ> Yeah-- i"m not trying to interfere in channel politics.
[08:59] <ikonia> apparantly, he's been told to change his nick, he knows what the ban is about and is just playing dumb now
[08:59] <KB1JWQ> He was upset and came to staff in a manner that's unlike most trolls, so I figured I'd dig a bit deeper.
[08:59] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: it would appear so
[08:59] <jussi> but surely, if he is creepy/a problem, then he will get banned soon enough...
[09:00]  * Hobbsee defers to elky
[09:00] <ikonia> jussi: he's already banned for refusing to change his nick
[09:00] <ikonia> jussi: there isn't a problem
[09:00] <KB1JWQ> jussi: That's my take.  Let him incriminate himself, then ban him with a pile of evidence as opposed to a bunch of hearsay.
[09:00] <ikonia> why
[09:00] <ikonia> an operator asked him to change his nick, he's refused, he got banned
[09:01] <ikonia> from what I'm now reading its a simple case of if you really want to be in #ubuntu-women, change your nick
[09:01] <ikonia> from what I'm reading he's more keen about making a fuss than getting back into the channel
[09:01] <KB1JWQ> Okay.  I'll accept that.
[09:02] <ikonia> maybe knome could have a chat to him as he has a bit of a relationship with him
[09:02] <ikonia> explain it to hiim ?
[09:02] <knome> ikonia, sure.
[09:02] <jussi> good idea.
[09:02] <KB1JWQ> Thanks. :-)
[09:02] <knome> maybe still invite him here?
[09:03] <ikonia> according to elky he knows why he was banned (which is probably why he's kicking up a stink)
[09:03] <ikonia> knome: maybe better in #ubuntu-irc
[09:03] <ikonia> where it "should" be resolved ?
[09:03] <knome> so you can all follow
[09:03] <ikonia> most of us are in #ubuntu-irc
[09:03] <jussi> he has been around a bit, I reconise the nick, but still,  I havent seen any behavioural issues apart from the misfortune of a marginally bad nick.
[09:04] <ikonia> jussi: I think it's the nick comfusion thats painted a worse picture,
[09:04] <knome> ikonia, oki, i can invite him there and join myself as well :)
[09:04] <ikonia> knome: he's already in there
[09:04] <jussi> knome: he is there last time I looked
[09:04] <knome> ah, okay
[09:05] <jussi> ikonia: yes, i think so also - it leads to the old rule about assuming someone is bad often makes them act worse than normal.
[09:05] <ikonia> very true
[09:05] <ikonia> I know I wouldn't be too happy to be assumed to be jewkonia
[09:06] <knome> yeah
[09:06] <elky> http://privatepaste.com/fb9275af16 is the logs I have of his banning from that channel.
[09:07] <elky> When considering his excuse, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_India may be a useful reference, as may the first hit on google for the string: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BALSAQ'
[09:12] <jpds> Righto.
[09:13] <elky> Just about any civil response that didn't involve UD would probably have been better.
[09:17] <bazhang> othello is poutine?
[09:20] <ikonia> don't think so, but we'll find out
[09:20] <ikonia> hello othello
[09:20] <othello> now im gonna hack u
[09:20] <Madpilot> can the scriptkiddy routine, you're not going to impress
[09:20] <ikonia> he impressed me
[09:21] <topyli> :)
[09:21] <elky> was poutine on an aussie internet?
[09:21] <ikonia> he probably ran his script on localhost
[09:21] <ikonia> killed himself off
[09:21] <ikonia> elky: I don't think so
[09:21] <Madpilot> ikonia, we can hope :)
[09:22] <ikonia> must dash, off to an office
[09:22] <ikonia> knome: thank you
[09:22] <knome> ikonia, np
[09:22] <jpds> Nice.
[09:25] <elky> knome, wth?
[09:25] <elky> only?!
[09:25] <knome> i mean :P
[09:26] <knome> *!*@unaffiliatednick ?
[09:26] <knome> not something!something@cloak
[09:27] <elky> I still don't understand how that's an "only"
[09:27] <knome> nvm the only then
[09:27] <knome> what's the reaon for the ban for balsaq then?
[09:27] <knome> the nick?
[09:28] <elky> the attitude after being asked about the nick
[09:28] <knome> does ballsac use the same cloak?
[09:28] <knome> right
[09:28] <elky> knome, this isn't about ballsac
[09:28] <elky> this has nothing to do with ballsac
[09:28] <knome> yeah
[09:29] <knome> that's what i thought as well
[09:42] <elky> I really don't like his attitude of thinking he can force his way in to other people's spaces.
[09:42] <elky> can someone turn the + operator off ubottu?
[09:43] <bazhang> ubot4
[09:43] <knome> could somebody just fix my typing?
[09:44] <bazhang> +knome
[09:44] <elky> whose is ubot4?
[09:45] <bazhang> j pds
[09:45] <Madpilot> willful cluelessness about his damn nick...
[09:46] <elky> Madpilot, yes, and I have no idea why he wants to be in the channel either. Other than because it contains women to talk at judging by his entrance in the log I posted.
[09:47] <Madpilot> seems like it. charming.
[09:49] <Madpilot> FFS. willfully thick.
[09:49] <popey> Isn't Balsaq this guys family name?
[09:49] <knome> no idea
[09:49] <Mamarok_> this is going in circles
[09:49] <elky> popey, he'd have said it by now if so
[09:49] <popey> Fabrizio Balsaq
[09:49] <elky> popey, he's never even indicated as much
[09:49] <knome> popey, does ircname prove anythig?
[09:49] <Madpilot> he spun some BS story about Indian airlines initially
[09:50] <popey> knome: a simple google search for launchpad and balsaq turns up mails to the xubuntu lists
[09:50] <elky> popey, the dishonesty is the issue more than the name.
[09:50] <popey> dishonesty?
[09:50] <Mamarok_> and I don't see what he would contribute to the u-w project anyway, if he doesn't see the problem
[09:50] <elky> popey, he quoted UD when we asked what his name meant.
[09:51] <elky> Mamarok, yeah, exactly
[09:51] <popey> yeah, I can see why someone might do that
[09:51] <knome> popey, i could think it is his family name, but till that doesn't prove anything
[09:51] <popey> what does it need to prove?
[09:51] <knome> well...
[09:51] <knome> it being hi family nme
[09:51] <knome> *name
[09:51] <Mamarok_> he never said it was in the first place, but talked abut some non-existing Indian airline
[09:51] <popey> well it seems nobody has actually _asked_ him about that
[09:51] <knome> *his
[09:51] <knome> GAAAH
[09:52] <Mamarok_> popey: he could have said that, no? Why did he try making it up?
[09:52] <popey> I dont believe he made anything up
[09:52] <Mamarok_> I see no reason to let this person in u-w
[09:52] <elky> popey, actually, we did ask what it meant.
[09:52] <Mamarok_> and he didn't say it was his famil name
[09:52] <popey> the question "what does popey mean" makes no sense
[09:52] <Mamarok_> but quoted UD with some non-existing Indian airline
[09:53] <popey> but "where does the nick popey come from" does
[09:53] <elky> Jan 18 16:59:58 *	Balsaq (n=Sausage@unaffiliated/balsaq) has joined #ubuntu-women <-- doesn't help either, to be honest.
[09:53] <Mamarok_> definitely
[09:53] <knome> i will have to leave soon for lunch
[09:54] <knome> to be exact, now
[09:54] <knome> bbl
[09:54] <Madpilot> "Balsaq'n'Sausage"... nice.
[09:54] <jpds> Go go paranoia.
[09:54] <Mamarok_> right...
[09:55] <knome> btw can somebody monitor #xubuntu?
[09:55] <elky> Madpilot, yeah.
[09:55] <Mamarok_> if he refuses to answer that simple question...
[09:55] <knome> ->
[09:56] <popey> well, I'd probably refuse to answer in his shoes
[09:56] <popey> if it was the _first_ question I might do
[09:57] <Tm_T> I fail to see insults he claim being given
[09:57] <Mamarok_> oh come one
[09:57] <Mamarok_> he was not insulted AFAICS
[09:57] <Tm_T> that's what I tried to say
[09:58] <Tm_T> he was repeating "I'm insulted" when he was asked simple questions
[09:58] <popey> cooks?
[10:00] <Tm_T> that
[10:00] <jussi> If jussi meant something nasty in indian Id likely not change it - and I could understand someone getting grumpy about it. However, he is being rather short.
[10:00] <Tm_T> jussi: but you could discuss about it without any trouble, I'm sure
[10:01] <elky> jussi, you'd probably at some point in the history of ever state that it's actually your name. He hasn't even done that.
[10:01] <jpds> jussi: Now you're attacking his height.
[10:01] <jussi> jpds: rofl
[10:01] <elky> Which makes me wonder if he's taken it as a pseudonym for the sake of the shock value
[10:02] <jpds> → http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg
[10:02] <Tm_T> he has nothing but avoided the subject, even in previous discussions
[10:02] <jussi> basically regardless of what the name is, he is saying it doesnt matter, dont judge me by my name.
[10:02] <popey> Am I the _only_ one who would pronounce that as "bal" not "ball"?
[10:03] <popey> as in a short A in Balloon.
[10:03] <popey> the same way I pronouce "Balsamic"
[10:03] <jussi> popey: thats how I would have said it
[10:03] <topyli> whatever the case, if i need a channel for something, i usually try to figure out the norms there so that i'm welcome. i also don't usually start arguing with the ops right away
[10:03] <popey> not Ballsamic
[10:03] <topyli> but that's just me
[10:03] <Tm_T> popey: you're not (:
[10:05] <popey> Right, so someone arrives in a channel, is told by someone who potentually mispronounces his family name that his choice of nick is inappropriate. In a nutshell.
[10:07] <elky> And then proceeds to outright tell us we're imagining it. Yep.
[10:07] <topyli> which is when they should explain that it's their name and means no offence, and perhaps ask for permission to keep it especially as that's how he's known elsewhere
[10:08] <topyli> (instead of linking to urban dictionary as proof that it's an indian airline)
[10:08] <elky> And generally not follow this up by saying they've been banned from a channel they never spoke in.
[10:09] <popey> I'm sure there are channels I would assert I have never spoken in, but logs would prove otherwise.
[10:27] <jussi> KB1JWQ: or staff if you are about, coline, spambot
[13:50] <popey> ... whereas "bastardchild1982" is an okay nickname?
[13:51] <LjL> please unban 61.149.210.81, he doesn't appear to be an open proxy at the present time
[13:52] <IdleOne> LjL: done
[13:52] <LjL> thanks
[13:52] <IdleOne> thank yopu
[13:52] <IdleOne> you*
[13:52] <IdleOne> popey: ask him to change nick
[13:54] <IdleOne> IMO bastardchild is not as offensive as some nicks we have seen
[13:54] <popey> IdleOne: I am not an op in #ubuntu
[13:54] <IdleOne> popey: you don't have to be to help :)
[13:58] <IdleOne> well done :)
[14:00] <IdleOne> popey: just proved that a politely worded request does work
[14:00] <IdleOne> *sometimes*
[14:01] <popey> yeah, till he rejoins
[14:02] <IdleOne> yeah
[14:02] <IdleOne> I just noticed
[15:31] <esigolo> i`m not a bot
[15:31] <esigolo> oO
[15:31] <ikonia> ok
[15:31] <ikonia> esigolo: our bots think you are running on an open proxy
[15:31] <esigolo> ikonia, is because our firewall (watchguard)
[15:32] <ikonia> I don't know why, but possibly
[15:32] <ikonia> esigolo: do you want to try rejoining #ubuntu and I'll watch what happens ?
[15:32] <esigolo> what should i do?
[16:43] <mahen23> hi, eum why am i still banned?
[16:43] <ikonia> mahen23: because you didn't resolve the ban
[16:43] <ikonia> so it won't get lifted until you do
[16:44] <mahen23> resolve the ban?
[16:44] <ikonia> yes, work out / understand why you where banned, and agree to stop doing it
[16:45] <mahen23> U MEEN NEEDZ 2 ASK FORGIVENES?
[16:45] <ikonia> err no
[16:45] <ikonia> (don't need the caps or the l33t speak)
[16:46] <ikonia> I just mean understand why you where banned, and agree between ops/you to not to it
[16:46] <ikonia> apologies if I didn't say that clearly
[16:46] <mahen23> i asked to be banned.....
[16:46] <ikonia> ok, so that's why your banned then
[16:46] <ikonia> why are you surprised you are still banned ?
[16:47] <mahen23> i thought its a bot thing and i will be removed from a sort of list after a given amount of time
[16:47] <ikonia> no
[16:47] <ikonia> it's manual
[16:47] <ikonia> each case is different so it requries interaction from the operator
[16:48] <mahen23> so who is the operator
[16:48] <ikonia> this channel holds the operators
[16:48] <ikonia> you're welcome to talk to any of us
[16:49] <ikonia> mahen23: do you want to be unbanne ?
[16:49] <ikonia> unbanned even
[16:52] <ikonia> mahen23: hello ?
[16:52] <ikonia> oh
[16:54]  * jussi zaps ikonia in pm
[16:55] <ikonia> what what
[17:11]  * Pici blinks
[18:59] <mneptok> xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: do you need something from the ops?
[20:27] <topyli> xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: hello?
[20:55] <ikonia> xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: hello ?
[21:03] <ikonia> !idle | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx
[22:09] <ikonia> hello taybot
[22:13] <IdleOne> !idle | taypet
[22:13] <ikonia> taypet: hello
[22:14] <ikonia> taypet: its clear your active as you've just changed nicks, can you please respond
[22:17] <ikonia> taybot: can you please respond
[22:18] <ikonia> topyli: can you assist, it's clear taypet is trying to provoke
[22:18] <ikonia> topyli: sorry, I last saw you as active
[22:23] <topyli> gah! very sorry, was distracted by the simpsons
[22:27] <tsimpson|n800> don't blame me
[22:27] <topyli> hehe
[23:31] <ikonia> !info linux-image-#jaunty
[23:36] <elky> !info jaunty linux-image
[23:36] <elky> !info linux-image jaunty
[23:36] <elky> Theeeeeeeere we go
[23:36] <ikonia> I was having a moment
[23:36]  * elky pats ikonia on the head.