[00:02] maco: done. [00:02] Pici: thanks === myriam_rs is now known as Mamarok_ [08:03] @mark #ubuntu poutine ban evading with new host [08:03] The operation succeeded. [08:08] hello Balsaq [08:09] hello ikonia [08:10] how can we help you today Balsaq ? [08:10] i was just informed by a memebr of my channel, that i am banned in a room where i did not speak. could you possibly provide with the test that got me banned? [08:10] i would really like to see the text that got me banned. [08:10] becasue there is NONE. Iw il stake my life on it. [08:11] who is in charge at freenode? [08:11] what channel [08:12] ubuntu-women [08:12] try #ubuntu-irc [08:12] ok? [08:12] this is not the channel to deal with bans in -women [08:12] what is that [08:12] where you should go [08:12] ok what do i do [08:13] i want someone who is in charge to pull the text that got me banned and paste it so we can see it. [08:14] /join #ubuntu-irc [08:14] Balsaq: Please give it a rest. [08:14] i will try this ubuntu-irc [08:15] Balsaq: then please leave this channel [08:15] no problem [08:15] thank you [08:23] from the bt log he seems to have a long time issue there. no point in us getting any further involved with it [08:24] no, I agree [08:24] for some reason I'm only showing a few bans for him in BT, yet I know there are a ton [08:25] I wonder if it's something to do with most of his bans on IP, and not nick/cloak [08:25] I only see 4 bans [08:26] or entries I should say [08:26] ikonia: most likely [08:26] one entry in the bt log is entirely bt sync :) [08:26] yes [08:27] he was hardly banned for the "." we see in the bt :) [08:27] I wonder when he was cloaked ? [08:27] topyli: we ALL know that, but I don't know why (beyond IP bans) why BT's not showing more info [08:27] should I go thru my records? [08:28] is he using other nicks? [08:28] tons [08:28] righto [08:28] ubuxubu is a prominent one of late [08:29] I'll check what I got, one moment [08:33] a lot of his other nicks where commented in BT, but I can't get them to show ?? [08:43] quick grepping (which isn't so quick due disk I/O) there isn't much, but I only checked this year [08:44] @btlogin [08:45] Tm_T: probably because he was on a long term ban (or should have been) [08:46] ye [08:46] I found several removes, and discussions about him [08:46] he hasn't changed a bit [08:46] the fact that he's in #freenode now asking how to get to the corperate office, shows he's just time wasting to be a problem [08:48] and staff know him well I see: [10:33:48] Balsaq: Oh here we go again. What can I help you with? [08:48] <3 [08:48] In fairness that was my mistake. [08:48] KB1JWQ: ahh, ok. [08:48] I got his nick confused with that of a very similar user. [08:48] bacta? [08:48] balsaq seems reasonable. [08:48] Nah, I'm not that far gone. [08:48] (:) [08:49] KB1JWQ: he seems [08:49] could be anyone, bacta, jungli, panarchy, asuestek - take your pick, plenty to get mixed up with [08:49] What did balsaq do this evening that caused an upset? [08:49] I haven't been paying attention, lot of demands on my time. [08:49] no, he's not any of those. [08:50] Do not assume anything. [08:50] Assume I'm stupid; what did he actually *do*? :-) [08:50] I suspect that his name may have something to do with the ban in -women - it sounds rather similar to something they would be sensitive to. [08:50] KB1JWQ: we arent sure atm [08:50] jpds, well i've "known" him for months [08:51] I was confusing him with ballsac. [08:51] KB1JWQ: ahhhhh [08:51] I wonder if thats what #ubuntu-women have done ? [08:51] Makes a lot of sense. [08:51] (and myself) [08:51] his nick used to be something else, just can't remember what [08:52] I think that that may be what a lot of us have done. [08:52] he also uses the nick ubuXubu, btw [08:52] tostitos was the prev. nick, iirc [08:52] I suppose we could ask if he's used any other nicks [08:52] So we may be unintentionally calling down grief upon a poor user who's done nothing more than chosing an unfortunate nick. [08:52] KB1JWQ: very possible [08:52] No need, ikonia. [08:52] I have a script that tracks that. That's not his. [08:52] ikonia, see my comments;) [08:53] I see a list of users, but nothing objectionable. [08:53] KB1JWQ: however he did join #ubuntu-offtopic and post a video about farts, not suggests he's not exactly the angel of maturity [08:53] not that, it warrents the assumption I've made [08:53] lol [08:53] So can we give him the benefit of the doubt and let him roam freely until he crosses a clearly defined line? [08:53] he's only banned from #ubuntu-women [08:53] he's never spoke in there, [08:53] and the fuss he's making over it doesn't suggest good intentions for me personally [08:54] one could always let him free, then reban after a few lines of rubbish. *shrug* [08:54] (personal opinion) [08:54] then document it better [08:54] let the #ubuntu-women ops deal with it [08:54] Hobbsee: it's only 1 channel, [08:54] it's not like he's banned from the name space [08:54] ikonia, mmaybe he's also non-mature, but also sometimes very playful (not to be interpreted in a negative wa though - he's basically a nice guy) [08:54] ikonia: exactly [08:54] Probably best that way. Consider it a personal favor to me. [08:55] knome: not doubting that, it appears (myself included) he may be mixed up with ballsaq [08:55] ballsac. :-) [08:55] that too [08:55] "Balsaq" is actually a legitimate last name in some parts of the world. [08:56] ikonia, mmh, just my 2 cents. he's been around a lot @#xubuntu [08:56] I guess the #ubuntu-women ops can sort it, I'll message the banner though to make sure she's not done the same thing as us [08:56] if it is a case of mistaken identity, I'll apologise to him myself too [08:57] well, he's been asked nicely to change his nick earlier, only to give attitude and excuses [08:57] oh? I didn't see that [08:58] really? [08:58] ok, well I guess he was banned for that then, judging by elky's comments [08:59] Yeah-- i"m not trying to interfere in channel politics. [08:59] apparantly, he's been told to change his nick, he knows what the ban is about and is just playing dumb now [08:59] He was upset and came to staff in a manner that's unlike most trolls, so I figured I'd dig a bit deeper. [08:59] KB1JWQ: it would appear so [08:59] but surely, if he is creepy/a problem, then he will get banned soon enough... [09:00] * Hobbsee defers to elky [09:00] jussi: he's already banned for refusing to change his nick [09:00] jussi: there isn't a problem [09:00] jussi: That's my take. Let him incriminate himself, then ban him with a pile of evidence as opposed to a bunch of hearsay. [09:00] why [09:00] an operator asked him to change his nick, he's refused, he got banned [09:01] from what I'm now reading its a simple case of if you really want to be in #ubuntu-women, change your nick [09:01] from what I'm reading he's more keen about making a fuss than getting back into the channel [09:01] Okay. I'll accept that. [09:02] maybe knome could have a chat to him as he has a bit of a relationship with him [09:02] explain it to hiim ? [09:02] ikonia, sure. [09:02] good idea. [09:02] Thanks. :-) [09:02] maybe still invite him here? [09:03] according to elky he knows why he was banned (which is probably why he's kicking up a stink) [09:03] knome: maybe better in #ubuntu-irc [09:03] where it "should" be resolved ? [09:03] so you can all follow [09:03] most of us are in #ubuntu-irc [09:03] he has been around a bit, I reconise the nick, but still, I havent seen any behavioural issues apart from the misfortune of a marginally bad nick. [09:04] jussi: I think it's the nick comfusion thats painted a worse picture, [09:04] ikonia, oki, i can invite him there and join myself as well :) [09:04] knome: he's already in there [09:04] knome: he is there last time I looked [09:04] ah, okay [09:05] ikonia: yes, i think so also - it leads to the old rule about assuming someone is bad often makes them act worse than normal. [09:05] very true [09:05] I know I wouldn't be too happy to be assumed to be jewkonia [09:06] yeah [09:06] http://privatepaste.com/fb9275af16 is the logs I have of his banning from that channel. [09:07] When considering his excuse, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_India may be a useful reference, as may the first hit on google for the string: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BALSAQ' [09:12] Righto. [09:13] Just about any civil response that didn't involve UD would probably have been better. [09:17] othello is poutine? [09:20] don't think so, but we'll find out [09:20] hello othello [09:20] now im gonna hack u [09:20] can the scriptkiddy routine, you're not going to impress [09:20] he impressed me [09:21] :) [09:21] was poutine on an aussie internet? [09:21] he probably ran his script on localhost [09:21] killed himself off [09:21] elky: I don't think so [09:21] ikonia, we can hope :) [09:22] must dash, off to an office [09:22] knome: thank you [09:22] ikonia, np [09:22] Nice. [09:25] knome, wth? [09:25] only?! [09:25] i mean :P [09:26] *!*@unaffiliatednick ? [09:26] not something!something@cloak [09:27] I still don't understand how that's an "only" [09:27] nvm the only then [09:27] what's the reaon for the ban for balsaq then? [09:27] the nick? [09:28] the attitude after being asked about the nick [09:28] does ballsac use the same cloak? [09:28] right [09:28] knome, this isn't about ballsac [09:28] this has nothing to do with ballsac [09:28] yeah [09:29] that's what i thought as well [09:42] I really don't like his attitude of thinking he can force his way in to other people's spaces. [09:42] can someone turn the + operator off ubottu? [09:43] ubot4 [09:43] could somebody just fix my typing? [09:44] +knome [09:44] whose is ubot4? [09:45] j pds [09:45] willful cluelessness about his damn nick... [09:46] Madpilot, yes, and I have no idea why he wants to be in the channel either. Other than because it contains women to talk at judging by his entrance in the log I posted. [09:47] seems like it. charming. [09:49] FFS. willfully thick. [09:49] Isn't Balsaq this guys family name? [09:49] no idea [09:49] this is going in circles [09:49] popey, he'd have said it by now if so [09:49] Fabrizio Balsaq [09:49] popey, he's never even indicated as much [09:49] popey, does ircname prove anythig? [09:49] he spun some BS story about Indian airlines initially [09:50] knome: a simple google search for launchpad and balsaq turns up mails to the xubuntu lists [09:50] popey, the dishonesty is the issue more than the name. [09:50] dishonesty? [09:50] and I don't see what he would contribute to the u-w project anyway, if he doesn't see the problem [09:50] popey, he quoted UD when we asked what his name meant. [09:51] Mamarok, yeah, exactly [09:51] yeah, I can see why someone might do that [09:51] popey, i could think it is his family name, but till that doesn't prove anything [09:51] what does it need to prove? [09:51] well... [09:51] it being hi family nme [09:51] *name [09:51] he never said it was in the first place, but talked abut some non-existing Indian airline [09:51] well it seems nobody has actually _asked_ him about that [09:51] *his [09:51] GAAAH [09:52] popey: he could have said that, no? Why did he try making it up? [09:52] I dont believe he made anything up [09:52] I see no reason to let this person in u-w [09:52] popey, actually, we did ask what it meant. [09:52] and he didn't say it was his famil name [09:52] the question "what does popey mean" makes no sense [09:52] but quoted UD with some non-existing Indian airline [09:53] but "where does the nick popey come from" does [09:53] Jan 18 16:59:58 * Balsaq (n=Sausage@unaffiliated/balsaq) has joined #ubuntu-women <-- doesn't help either, to be honest. [09:53] definitely [09:53] i will have to leave soon for lunch [09:54] to be exact, now [09:54] bbl [09:54] "Balsaq'n'Sausage"... nice. [09:54] Go go paranoia. [09:54] right... [09:55] btw can somebody monitor #xubuntu? [09:55] Madpilot, yeah. [09:55] if he refuses to answer that simple question... [09:55] -> [09:56] well, I'd probably refuse to answer in his shoes [09:56] if it was the _first_ question I might do [09:57] I fail to see insults he claim being given [09:57] oh come one [09:57] he was not insulted AFAICS [09:57] that's what I tried to say [09:58] he was repeating "I'm insulted" when he was asked simple questions [09:58] cooks? [10:00] that [10:00] If jussi meant something nasty in indian Id likely not change it - and I could understand someone getting grumpy about it. However, he is being rather short. [10:00] jussi: but you could discuss about it without any trouble, I'm sure [10:01] jussi, you'd probably at some point in the history of ever state that it's actually your name. He hasn't even done that. [10:01] jussi: Now you're attacking his height. [10:01] jpds: rofl [10:01] Which makes me wonder if he's taken it as a pseudonym for the sake of the shock value [10:02] → http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg [10:02] he has nothing but avoided the subject, even in previous discussions [10:02] basically regardless of what the name is, he is saying it doesnt matter, dont judge me by my name. [10:02] Am I the _only_ one who would pronounce that as "bal" not "ball"? [10:03] as in a short A in Balloon. [10:03] the same way I pronouce "Balsamic" [10:03] popey: thats how I would have said it [10:03] whatever the case, if i need a channel for something, i usually try to figure out the norms there so that i'm welcome. i also don't usually start arguing with the ops right away [10:03] not Ballsamic [10:03] but that's just me [10:03] popey: you're not (: [10:05] Right, so someone arrives in a channel, is told by someone who potentually mispronounces his family name that his choice of nick is inappropriate. In a nutshell. [10:07] And then proceeds to outright tell us we're imagining it. Yep. [10:07] which is when they should explain that it's their name and means no offence, and perhaps ask for permission to keep it especially as that's how he's known elsewhere [10:08] (instead of linking to urban dictionary as proof that it's an indian airline) [10:08] And generally not follow this up by saying they've been banned from a channel they never spoke in. [10:09] I'm sure there are channels I would assert I have never spoken in, but logs would prove otherwise. [10:25] chid called the ops in #ubuntu () [10:27] KB1JWQ: or staff if you are about, coline, spambot [11:57] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (chid appears to be abusive - 4) [13:50] ... whereas "bastardchild1982" is an okay nickname? [13:51] please unban 61.149.210.81, he doesn't appear to be an open proxy at the present time [13:52] LjL: done [13:52] thanks [13:52] thank yopu [13:52] you* [13:52] popey: ask him to change nick [13:54] IMO bastardchild is not as offensive as some nicks we have seen [13:54] IdleOne: I am not an op in #ubuntu [13:54] popey: you don't have to be to help :) [13:58] well done :) [14:00] popey: just proved that a politely worded request does work [14:00] *sometimes* [14:01] yeah, till he rejoins [14:02] yeah [14:02] I just noticed [15:31] i`m not a bot [15:31] oO [15:31] ok [15:31] esigolo: our bots think you are running on an open proxy [15:31] ikonia, is because our firewall (watchguard) [15:32] I don't know why, but possibly [15:32] esigolo: do you want to try rejoining #ubuntu and I'll watch what happens ? [15:32] what should i do? [16:43] hi, eum why am i still banned? [16:43] mahen23: because you didn't resolve the ban [16:43] so it won't get lifted until you do [16:44] resolve the ban? [16:44] yes, work out / understand why you where banned, and agree to stop doing it [16:45] U MEEN NEEDZ 2 ASK FORGIVENES? [16:45] err no [16:45] (don't need the caps or the l33t speak) [16:46] I just mean understand why you where banned, and agree between ops/you to not to it [16:46] apologies if I didn't say that clearly [16:46] i asked to be banned..... [16:46] ok, so that's why your banned then [16:46] why are you surprised you are still banned ? [16:47] i thought its a bot thing and i will be removed from a sort of list after a given amount of time [16:47] no [16:47] it's manual [16:47] each case is different so it requries interaction from the operator [16:48] so who is the operator [16:48] this channel holds the operators [16:48] you're welcome to talk to any of us [16:49] mahen23: do you want to be unbanne ? [16:49] unbanned even [16:52] mahen23: hello ? [16:52] oh [16:54] * jussi zaps ikonia in pm [16:55] what what [17:11] * Pici blinks [18:59] xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: do you need something from the ops? [20:15] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (fdas) [20:27] xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: hello? [20:55] xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: hello ? [21:03] !idle | xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx [21:03] xX_vUvUZeLa_Xx: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [21:04] In #ubuntu-bots, LjL said: !perl2 is perl [21:04] In #ubuntu-bots, LjL said: !whoops is i meant this for the other bot! [22:09] hello taybot === taybot is now known as taypet [22:13] !idle | taypet [22:13] taypet: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [22:13] taypet: hello [22:14] taypet: its clear your active as you've just changed nicks, can you please respond === taypet is now known as taybot [22:17] taybot: can you please respond === taybot is now known as taypet [22:18] topyli: can you assist, it's clear taypet is trying to provoke [22:18] topyli: sorry, I last saw you as active === taypet is now known as taybot [22:23] gah! very sorry, was distracted by the simpsons [22:27] don't blame me [22:27] hehe [23:31] !info linux-image-#jaunty [23:31] Package linux-image-jaunty does not exist in maverick [23:36] !info jaunty linux-image [23:36] 'linux-image' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, partner, stable, testing, unstable [23:36] !info linux-image jaunty [23:36] linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.28.19.24 (jaunty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB [23:36] Theeeeeeeere we go [23:36] I was having a moment [23:36] * elky pats ikonia on the head.