[00:00] <kklimonda> rye: as it's late and rodrigo is sleeping could you guys take a look at some couchdb/desktopcouch-glib api I'm thinking over? ;)
[00:00] <kklimonda> alecu: ^
[00:00] <kklimonda> or are you guys die hard python fans? :)
[00:01] <alecu> kklimonda, I'm a rabid pythoneer, but I might take a look as well :-)
[00:06] <kklimonda> alecu: I'm writing brief.. but it's getting longer ;)
[00:11] <kklimonda> alecu: http://pastebin.com/9t3teHzv ;)
[00:16] <kklimonda> the problem is - I really like the new approach but I've came up with it at 6AM after 8 hours long coding session ;)
[00:16] <kklimonda> so I'm actually not sure how sane it is
[00:22] <alecu> kklimonda, I'm reading your spec, and it sounds nice.
[00:22] <alecu> kklimonda, I haven't done much desktopcouch though, I've only played with it thru the python api.
[00:23] <alecu> kklimonda, btw: you are planning on adding gobject support in that new api, right?
[00:23] <kklimonda> alecu: what do you mean?
[00:23] <kklimonda> gobject or gobject introspection? :)
[00:24] <alecu> kklimonda, yes, introspection, right.
[00:24] <alecu> I guess I'm kinda sleepy tonight :-)
[00:25] <kklimonda> alecu: yes - that's the problem with our first, hacky tbh, idea to use #defines to ensure that you don't type wrong field names :)
[00:25] <kklimonda> alecu: I'm planning on making bouch couchdb-glib and desktopcouch-glib fully introspectable
[00:26] <alecu> cool.
[00:41] <duanedesign> hello kklimonda
[00:41] <kklimonda> hey :)
[00:41] <duanedesign> kklimonda:  hope you have been well
[00:44] <kklimonda> duanedesign: I'm really busy with all the stuff I'm doing lately around Ubuntu. And it doesn't show :(
[00:45] <kklimonda> actually that's probably because I write a couchdb powered application and that's why I feel like I always do something related to Ubuntu ;)
[00:48] <duanedesign> :)
[09:00] <duanedesign> morning friends
[09:00] <kklimonda> hey duanedesign :)
[09:01] <duanedesign> hey kklimonda
[09:34] <duanedesign> morning rodrigo_
[09:34] <rodrigo_> hi duanedesign
[10:14] <lalejand> Hi, can't delete some contacts beginning with "." or "/" in U1 web interface
[10:14] <lalejand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/676297
[10:14] <ubot4> lalejand: Error: Bug #676297 is private.
[10:15] <lalejand> argh. And launchpad is on maintenance
[10:19] <duanedesign> hello lalejand
[10:19] <lalejand> duanedesign : hi
[10:20] <lalejand> duanedesign : I have a video on launchpad showing the problem
[10:20] <duanedesign> lalejand: yeah  i was triaging some bugs...
[10:21] <duanedesign> looking now to see how long Lp will be down
[10:21] <lalejand> duanedesign : here it is http://ubuntuone.com/p/Pfu/
[10:31] <duanedesign> lalejand: I have a contact that begins with a ? and I get a similar result
[10:32] <lalejand> I have some problems with my couchDb adressbook, and I'm wondering if it is related with this
[10:32] <duanedesign> lalejand: hmmm
[10:32] <duanedesign> lalejand: something you can try is...
[10:33] <duanedesign> lalejand: run this command:  evolution --force-shutdown
[10:33] <duanedesign> then:  /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28
[10:33] <duanedesign> Then, start Evolution again and try to open again the CouchDB addressbook. If it fails, have a look at the output on the terminal, it should have some hints as to why it failed.
[10:35] <duanedesign> lalejand:  i have to get the family off this morning. Will be back in about 30 minutes
[10:35] <duanedesign> rye will probably be in any minute now as well
[10:38] <lalejand> duanedesign : ok will try
[10:41] <lalejand> I don't have any evolution-data-server-2.28 in /usr/lib/evolution/
[10:50] <lalejand> Does someone have a similar bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/676297
[10:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 676297 in ubuntuone-servers "Can't delete some contacts beginning with "." or "/" (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[11:18] <lalejand> duanedesign : are back ?
[11:26] <duanedesign> lalejand: yep
[11:29] <lalejand> I don't have any evolution-data-server-2.28 in /usr/lib/evolution/
[11:29] <duanedesign> lalejand: youron maverick right?
[11:30] <lalejand> duanedesign : yes
[11:30] <duanedesign> lalejand: yep looks like they moved it on us
[11:30]  * duanedesign looking
[11:30] <lalejand> i run evo 2.30.3
[11:32] <larsemil> should i be able to add contacts in my evolution couch db? i am not...
[11:33] <duanedesign> lalejand: what version of Ubuntu are you running? 10.10 (maverick)?
[11:33] <duanedesign> oops
[11:33] <duanedesign> i mean larsemil
[11:34] <larsemil> 10.10 yes. i was able to add new now. was not two days ago.
[11:40] <larsemil> next question. i am using android and ubuntu one mobile to sync my contacts. But i would also like to be able to access my shared files on my android, is that possible?
[11:41] <duanedesign> lalejand: there is an application in the works to do just that
[11:41] <duanedesign> oop again
[11:41] <duanedesign> larsemil: there is an application in the works to do just that
[11:42] <lalejand> duanedesign : what test can I do ? Is there a way to reset the contacts on U1 servers ?
[11:43] <duanedesign> lalejand: im still trying to find where they put the binary for the evolution-data-server :P
[11:43] <lalejand> duanedesign : ok
[11:45] <larsemil> duanedesign: cool. estimated time when its ready?
[11:47] <duanedesign> larsemil: karni could probably best answer that
[11:52] <lalejand> duanedesign : i'm going to have lunch, will check you when I come back
[11:53] <duanedesign> lalejand: ok
[11:59] <duanedesign> bug 666404
[11:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 666404 in evolution-couchdb (Ubuntu) "Cannot reliably delete contacts (affects: 14) (heat: 197)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666404
[12:16] <duanedesign> rodrigo_: /8
[12:16] <duanedesign> oops
[12:16] <rodrigo_> :)
[12:17] <psypher246> hi all
[12:17] <duanedesign> hello psypher246
[12:18] <psypher246> duane, how do i log a bug report for ubuntuone music client for android, dunno how to pull logs of the client
[12:19] <duanedesign> psypher246: hmm. that is a good question
[12:19] <beuno> psypher246, https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-music
[12:19] <beuno> what problem are you having?
[12:19] <duanedesign> i would ask...there he is
[12:19] <duanedesign> :)
[12:20] <psypher246> thanks
[12:20] <beuno> hiya duanedesign :)
[12:20] <duanedesign> beuno: good morning
[15:03] <Chupawindows> mandel: ping
[15:04] <mandel> Chupawindows, pong
[15:06] <addiks> hi, how can i reset the ubuntu-one-client?
[15:24] <duanedesign> addiks: hello
[15:24] <duanedesign> addiks: what is it you are trying to do?
[15:25] <duanedesign> addiks: or what is the issue you are having?
[15:50] <addiks> i have incedently deleted the ubuntu-one-folder and now i have a full queue of unlink-operations that i cannot get rid of. i want to delete the queue, the folder and then re-download it
[15:52] <karni> larsemil: hey. you can fetch AndroidU1 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1 - we're currently working on a new version from scratch, so you can expect even better app released in alpha this year hopefully :)
[15:53] <beuno> heya karni
[15:53] <karni> hi beuno  :)
[15:53] <karni> I mixed days with nights. it's 5PM and I just got up o_O
[15:54] <beuno> heh
[15:54] <beuno> been there
[15:54] <duanedesign> good morning karni ;)
[15:54] <beuno> it's much more quiet to work
[15:54] <karni> haha, hi duanedesign ;)
[15:54] <karni> beuno: true!
[15:54] <beuno> karni, how's the re-write going?
[15:54] <duanedesign> addiks: ok
[15:55] <karni> I prefer to code at nights. it's silent and less disturbing (in sense of mails/IMs/etc)
[15:55] <duanedesign> addiks: i think I can help
[15:55] <duanedesign> addiks: first thing is to open a Terminal and run the command:  u1sdtool -q
[15:56] <karni> beuno: so-so I must say. wanting it to be better imposes more time consuming thinking. *but*, I said what I said, and I still plan to have it ready, at least partially, this month
[15:56] <beuno> awesome
[15:56] <beuno> where are you at now?
[15:56] <karni> :)
[15:57] <karni> beuno: I was trying to separate meta and content download in the service. I don't know however if I won't make that matter similar to AU1, and leave it for little refactor for later and continue with new UI.
[15:57] <karni> I wanted to separate that to keep it clean and robust.
[15:58] <karni> in practice, meta queue will be heavinly working at the begining ('hi, thanks for using this software. I'll sync meta now! be patient')
[15:58]  * beuno nods
[15:58] <karni> and in the mean time, if the user forces refresh
[16:01] <karni> the content queue might be much more busy
[16:01] <karni> so yes.. I'm currently trying to implement that stuff separately and nicely integrate into the service
[16:01] <karni> content queue - in the sense that it should schedule download work during regular app use. and, say, limit simultaneous downloads to 3 or 5
[16:01] <beuno> right
[16:02] <karni> beuno: when I have stuff to test, you and aq will be first to be notified :)
[16:02] <beuno> karni, :)
[16:02] <beuno> I've been working with our new graphic designer
[16:02] <karni> aha?
[16:03] <beuno> hope to be able to send some UI proposals before the end of the year
[16:04]  * karni nods :)
[16:06] <addiks> so, it says the syncdeamon is stopped.
[16:07] <duanedesign> addiks: this will get you started. When you get to the part where you pastebin the logs ping me and I will double check to make sure everything is good and you are ready to connect the syncdaemon http://paste.ubuntu.com/533501/
[16:15] <addiks> so, the folder is deleted and the queue empty, but now i get auth_failed without being asked for login. i am currently logged into one.ubuntu.com. http://paste.ubuntu.com/533503/
[16:19] <duanedesign> addiks: ok. Can you open System > Preferences > Password and Encryption Keys
[16:20] <addiks> ok, i have
[16:20] <duanedesign> addiks: look for the Ubuntu One Token
[16:20] <addiks> delete it?
[16:20] <duanedesign> addiks: yes
[16:21] <duanedesign> addiks: then run this command: killall ubuntu-sso-login; u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c
[16:22] <duanedesign> (that is for Maverick 10.10)
[16:22] <duanedesign> addiks: then when it asks you to add your computer there is a link at the bottom of the window for existing accounts
[16:22] <addiks> ok, there are a bunch of upload-operations in the queue now. all from "/home/addiks/.ubuntuone/Purchased from..."
[16:23] <addiks> no meta-operations
[16:23] <karni> ostro
[16:23] <karni> sry
[16:24] <duanedesign> addiks: are the files still in the cloud https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[16:25] <addiks> yes
[16:25] <mahen> Hi everyone + Honk :)
[16:27] <mahen> Well, just in case : I have another issue with U1 :) It used to be stuck when processing metadata b/c of a moved directory : this is fixed with the latest server update. However : I've been uploading about 6 GB of data, but the U1 daemon is still sending the very same 350 MB avi file...
[16:27] <mahen> (if anyone is interested : I have a full debug log)
[16:33] <duanedesign> addiks: removing the  ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon should trick U1 into thinking this is a new computer and result in it downloading your files from the cloud
[16:33] <duanedesign> mahen: if you would like to pastebin the syncdaemon.log I can take a look.
[16:34] <mahen> duanedesign: actually, John just replied about it on the bugtracker : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666942 So I wonder if that is necessary as it seems to be a known bug ?
[16:34] <ubot4> mahen: Error: Bug #666942 is private.
[16:34] <mahen> "We have a known issue with very large files and clients that don't have super-fast t1 lines to do their uploads. " ""Our connection to s3 times out. We're sorry for this inconvenience and are working on solutions. "
[16:35] <mahen> (in my case : uploading a 250 MB file with a connection that can upload at about 100 KB / second)
[16:35] <mahen> (note : the bugreport was about another bug, but I mentioned it on the same thread)
[16:36] <addiks> ah, it looks like it is now downloading the files.
[16:38] <duanedesign> addiks: ok great
[16:38] <duanedesign> addiks: i think the team is working on an easier solution for resolving accicental deletes.
[16:38] <duanedesign> mahen: ahh  ok
[16:52] <beuno> kenvandine, hai!  so, where do I find these gwibber logs?
[16:53] <kenvandine>  ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log
[16:59] <addiks> is it possible to manipulate the order of the ubuntu-one download-queue?
[17:02] <beuno> kenvandine, http://ubuntuone.com/p/PiS/
[17:02] <beuno> let me know what else I can do to help
[17:02] <beuno> thanks
[17:02] <kenvandine> beuno, thank you!
[17:08] <kenvandine> beuno, ok, so it looks like you have some search streams defined
[17:08] <kenvandine> do you see them in the  client UI?
[17:09] <kenvandine> and i should really make gwibber log the version number :)
[17:09] <kenvandine> what version of gwibber is it?
[17:09] <kenvandine> beuno, ^^
[17:15] <kenvandine> beuno, if you see those search streams in the UI, select them and close them
[17:15] <kenvandine> and see if it gets better
[17:15] <kenvandine> i suspect there is something broken in those search streams
[17:16] <kenvandine> beuno, and if it does help... add a new search for the same string and see if it still pegs the cpu
[17:37] <addiks> thanks @duanedesign for the help. bye
[17:40] <beuno> kenvandine, sorry, went out to lunch
[17:40] <beuno> aha
[17:40] <beuno> well
[17:40] <beuno> I forgot about those
[20:05] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I have a whole folder full of files that show the syncing icon (circle) and yet, U1 indicator is reporting that all files are up to date. ???
[20:11] <shane4ubuntu> also to whom it may concern, I updated bug #667499  because more of my data disappeared.  I mean I know you will be notified via the bug thing too, just a heads up. :)
[20:11] <ubot4> shane4ubuntu: Bug 667499 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/667499 is private
[20:12] <shane4ubuntu> wow, slow in here today. :)
[20:15] <beuno> shane4ubuntu, 70% of the team is sprinting or in training  :)
[20:15] <beuno> this week
[20:16] <shane4ubuntu> beuno, wow, didn't know you had to be 'fit' to be part of the u1 team. :)
[20:16] <shane4ubuntu> I thought that was for the military. :)
[20:16]  * beuno looks around the room
[20:16] <beuno> it varies  :)
[20:17] <shane4ubuntu> is this for like a charity race?  or something?
[20:17] <shane4ubuntu> nothing wrong with being healthy.
[20:17] <shane4ubuntu> or fit
[20:17] <karni> haha ^ ^
[20:17] <karni> shane4ubuntu: you're kidding, right ^ ^?
[20:17]  * karni chuckles cheerfully
[20:18] <beuno> shane4ubuntu, sprinting == working int he same room like crazy for a week
[20:18] <shane4ubuntu> well, I was, except that last part. :0 ;)
[20:18] <beuno> training == getting trained in cassandra, a new nosql db
[20:18] <karni> and there you nave an explanation :)
[20:18] <shane4ubuntu> beuno, oohh, thanks!
[20:18] <beuno> and there's a lot of food involved
[20:19] <beuno> so properly the opposite of what you where thinking  :)
[20:19]  * karni just googled cassandra
[20:19] <shane4ubuntu> lol, well, it was worth a shot.
[20:19] <karni> neat!
[20:19] <shane4ubuntu> ok, any how, anyone around that can help me get the rights logs around for more missing data?
[20:19] <shane4ubuntu> don't want to miss the opporunity
[20:20] <beuno> shane4ubuntu, I don't think so, unless Chipaca` is around
[20:20] <shane4ubuntu> looked for the two I know, rye and duanedesign, but both seem to be out.
[20:20] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: do you have debug on?
[20:20] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, I think
[20:21] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, no
[20:21] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: :(
[20:21] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, wait, I mean, the logging.conf is changed, because it never worked with that file the way it was
[20:21] <shane4ubuntu> I reported that in the bug.
[20:22] <shane4ubuntu>  bug #667499
[20:22] <ubot4> shane4ubuntu: Bug 667499 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/667499 is private
[20:22] <shane4ubuntu> always gave errors when starting with the logging stuff on
[20:23] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, here is my logging.conf that seems to cause problem:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/533590/
[20:24] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: line 5 should be next to the = on line 4
[20:24] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, well, that would account for the problem. :)
[20:25] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, I should have saw that, I hate it when I overlook such simple things like that.
[20:26] <Chipaca`> :)
[20:26] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, ok, this is the error I get when I have that file in place, even with it fixed:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/533593/
[20:27] <shane4ubuntu> and if I disable that file, then I don't get that error.
[20:27] <shane4ubuntu> I get that error, starting u1 with u1sdtool --start
[20:27] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: I've got to run, and other people that could help you are in a course this week
[20:28] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: running syncdaemon by hand should give you more useful output
[20:28] <Chipaca`> that is, /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[20:28] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, ok, thanks
[20:28] <shane4ubuntu> I won't keep you, I guess we will tackle this later.
[20:29] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: what does u1sdtool --list-shared produce?
[20:30] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, No shared
[20:30] <shane4ubuntu> that isn't good.
[20:30] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, if you gotta go, that is ok, we can work on it another time.
[20:30] <Chipaca`> shane4ubuntu: not to be confused with --list-shares
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> Chipaca`, ooooh, right,
[20:31] <Chipaca`> clearly different
[20:31] <Chipaca`> ok, bbl, ttyl, etc :)
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> lol, No shares either. :) lol
[20:34] <kklimonda> aquarius: Chipaca`: is couchdb authorization scheme enough to implement things like "some documents can be synced only by other couchdb instances only if user who syncs is on a list" or "some users can only sync documents one way"?
[20:34] <kklimonda> for example - would it be possible to implement calendar related stuff based only on couchdb?
[20:35] <kklimonda> for that to works well you would need r/w access to some documents for one group of people, r/o for another group of people and r/o with obfuscation for another
[20:37] <aquarius> hey kklimonda
[20:37] <kklimonda> hey :)
[20:38] <aquarius> kklimonda, we'll have that as part of the app developer programme in 11.04
[20:38] <kklimonda> aquarius: but will it work at the couchdb level or will it be desktopcouch specific?
[20:38] <aquarius> That'll happen in your CouchDBs at Ubuntu One
[20:39] <aquarius> so it's at couchdb level.
[20:39] <kklimonda> aquarius: so couchdb authentication is flexible enough to provide such things?
[20:40] <aquarius> kklimonda, not right at the moment it isn't, but it will be for 11.04 ;-)
[20:40] <kklimonda> aquarius: ah :)
[20:41] <kklimonda> I can imagine some cool stuff that you can do with it..
[20:41] <kklimonda> making U1 into a nice calendar server beingh one of them
[20:41] <aquarius> I'd be interested in hearing that cool list, and indeed also interested in working with you to help you implement some of it :)
[20:42] <aquarius> part of what I'm doing in this release is to help people start building cool things using Ubuntu One: that's what the app developer programme is all about
[20:44] <kklimonda> yeah, it would be great to kick it off
[20:44] <aquarius> what sorts of things were you thinking of/
[20:44] <aquarius> ?
[20:44] <kklimonda> I've heard rumors of desktopcouch being considered for removal from the default cd?
[20:46] <kklimonda> aquarius: first two things that came to my mind were fully blown calendar server and a way to share your favourite rss items with friends (in a news aggregator I'm trying to write ;) ).
[20:47] <kklimonda> actually, I've written most of the easy code - not comes the hard part of designing gui and writing it in Gtk+ :(
[20:48] <kklimonda> and I suck at this
[20:48] <kklimonda> well, I don't have that much experience with writing "frontends" so that's the reason.
[20:49] <kklimonda> aquarius: I see couchdb as a mean to make a "personal cloud" - something you can take with you wherever you go, that isn't connected to the single provider.
[20:49] <aquarius> kklimonda, absolutely, that's what Ubuntu One is.
[20:50] <aquarius> kklimonda, ah, interesting. Sharing stuff with friends is not specifically provided for by the oauth work we're doing, because you can't control when and where your Ubuntu One CouchDB instance syncs to
[20:50] <kklimonda> one thing that I'm missing has always been a way to make it possible to share your couchdb with friends (while retaining control over what can the see etc.)
[20:50] <kklimonda> without it your personal cloud is a little too lonely.
[20:52] <kklimonda> and It's going to be hard to compete with web services that provide a lot of "social stuff". I'd like to find a way to make desktop applications competetive in the new cloudy and social world of web apps :)
[20:53] <aquarius> kklimonda, completely agree. Sharing is a separate thing, which I absolutely plan for us to provide, but not for 11.04
[20:54] <aquarius> the work we're doing is about you accessing your own data from everywhere -- imagine, for example, going to http://kklimondasRSSreader.com/, logging in with U1, and seeing all your feeds, in the same state as they were in the desktop app (read ones are read, etc)
[20:54] <aquarius> helping you share other people's data is also important, though, and I want to work on that in 11.10
[20:57] <kklimonda> yes, accessing data from everywhere is just as important
[20:58] <kklimonda> I can access my couchdb on ubuntuone servers just as any other couchdb if I know address and authorization data?
[20:58] <kklimonda> it would make a nice fallback plan for writing mobile applications before couchdb is ready for wide deployments on at least android, iphone and meego/symbian
[20:59] <aquarius> kklimonda, yep, you can -- you can do that now :)
[20:59] <kklimonda> awesome
[21:00] <aquarius> kklimonda, what we're working on for 11.04 is allowing you to generate an oauth token which allows *limited* access to your data, so you can grant that to other websites (so they can read your contacts but not write them, for example)
[21:00] <aquarius> kklimonda, if you have your oauth token, you can talk to couchdb.one.ubuntu.com fine, by signing the details with your token
[21:00] <aquarius> but don't give that token out, because it has full read/write access to all your databases and files
[21:01] <kklimonda> right
[21:01] <kklimonda> but I could write a mobile application that uses your database remotely without running couchdb instance locally.
[21:02] <kklimonda> can couchdb compress/decompress stuff you send in and receive out? I know I can compress attachments but on a slow edge connection every byte counts.
[21:03] <aquarius> definitely you could write a mobile app that uses u1couch remotely
[21:03] <aquarius> and if you're interested in doing that I'm very interested in helping you do it :)
[21:03] <aquarius> compressing...er. Don't know.
[21:04] <kklimonda> the problem isn't really couchdb stuff and rather the Android stuff. I can't really swallow Java and writing everything in XML :/
[21:04] <kklimonda> I'm an emacs guy myself ;)
[21:04] <kklimonda> or vim depending on a weather
[21:04] <aquarius> :)
[21:05] <aquarius> I may do a phonegap thing :)
[21:05] <aquarius> couchdb doesn't yet support gzip compression of non-attachment output
[21:20] <kklimonda> aquarius: yet as in they have it on their todo list? Is there a roadmap I could take a look at?
[21:21] <aquarius> kklimonda,
[21:21] <aquarius> kklimonda, <davisp> aquarius: I don't think anyone's written that patch yet
[21:22] <aquarius> it sounds to me like people think it'd be a good idea but it hasn't made it to the top of anyone's list yet
[21:22] <kklimonda> aquarius: I would do that if they have choosen a different language for writing couchdb in. I love the idea of functional programming but learning it makes me feel like an idiot ;)
[21:22] <ubuntu4shane> I enabled extra logging, and every time I do that u1 won't start without errors.
[21:23] <aquarius> kklimonda, I know the feeling. I can't hack erlang either :P
[21:23] <ubuntu4shane> here is the error I get:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/533614/
[21:23] <aquarius> joshuahoover, is ubuntu4shane's problem known?
[21:24] <joshuahoover> aquarius: looking...
[21:24] <ubuntu4shane> I enabled extra logging because I was asked to do so in a bugreport.
[21:25] <ubuntu4shane> and I reported back today on that bug, files disappeared, because more files disappeared, and I was asked about logging.
[21:25] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane, aquarius: this error happens because syncdaemon is too busy to reply
[21:26] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, it seems to only happen when logging is enabled, if I turn it off, it works
[21:27] <ubuntu4shane> however if I disable, when I have problems like files disappearing, there isn't enough logging info. :)  catch 22
[21:27] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: very strange...
[21:27] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: what bug #?
[21:27] <ubuntu4shane> it is bug #667499
[21:27] <ubot4> ubuntu4shane: Bug 667499 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/667499 is private
[21:28] <ubuntu4shane> I reported back because another whole folder of files was erased.
[21:29] <ubuntu4shane> also on my desktop, u1-indicator reports that all files are synced, and yet I have a whole folder with the circle icon showing they need synced.
[21:29] <ubuntu4shane> odd stuff going on, at least on my system.
[21:30] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: what version of ubuntu?
[21:30] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, 10.10
[21:30] <ubuntu4shane> on both
[21:30] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: hmmm...
[21:30] <ubuntu4shane> laptop and desktop
[21:30] <ubuntu4shane> with proposed update of u1
[21:31] <ubuntu4shane> u1 version 1.4.5
[21:32] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: i tried running a job on your account to recover files...do you see them on the web? https://one.ubuntu.com/files
[21:32] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: it didn't look like it recovered anything (the storage size # on your account didn't appear to get bigger)
[21:32] <ubuntu4shane> they are small files
[21:33] <ubuntu4shane> last recovery wasn't successful
[21:33] <ubuntu4shane> no, no files recovered
[21:33] <ubuntu4shane> there were in the folder IglesiaBautistAncla/Messages.bak/
[21:34] <ubuntu4shane> that had 3 or 4 folders, and about 300 files
[21:34] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, file recovery isn't really a priority to me, as I have them backed up, discovering why it is removing them is of more interest to me.
[21:35] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: agreed, it's strange though that the job didn't find them, it should
[21:35] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, lol, that is what rye said last time. :)
[21:35] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: nice
[21:36] <ubuntu4shane> yes, I had three recovery folders where he attempted recovery, didn't recover anything
[21:36] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: that timeout error occurs when syncdaemon is too busy to reply...i'm going to have to leave it to verterok and others much smarter to figure out what is going on...sorry i can't help out more
[21:36] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, ok, no problem, I just saw some atcivity here and thought we could try and sort things out.
[21:37] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: yeah, unfortunately all the devs who are knowledgeable on this are in training at the moment :(
[21:37] <ubuntu4shane> ok, not a problem, thanks joshuahoover
[21:38] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, one more odd thing, one the laptop, none of the folders that I had syncing with u1 show as being syncronized now?!?!??
[21:39] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: if syncdaemon is not responding or running, then that is likely why
[21:39] <ubuntu4shane> joshuahoover, no it seems as though it is running now.
[21:39] <joshuahoover> ubuntu4shane: if you run u1sdtool --status what is returned?
[21:39] <ubuntu4shane> --status shows it is running
[21:39] <ubuntu4shane> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane>     connection: With User With Network
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane>     description: processing queues
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane>     is_connected: True
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane>     is_error: False
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane>     is_online: True
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane>     queues: IDLE
[21:40] <ubuntu4shane> weird.
[21:54] <rohan> guys how do I connect my machine to ubuntu one ?? i'm on 10.04 LTS
[21:55] <rohan> anyone here?
[21:56] <rohan> hello?
[22:00] <rohan> thanks for the HELP !!
[22:00] <rohan> bye
[22:37] <helo> so to use the music streaming, i'd need to purchase more storage unless i only want to stream from a 2GB pool of music?
[22:37] <beuno> helo, you don;t need more storage, no
[22:38] <helo> it would be cool as hell if u1 could pool users' music files
[22:38] <beuno> yeah it would
[22:38] <beuno> record labels aren't very nice people, though
[22:38] <helo> so if you demonstrate that you own a file, it becomes available to be streamed from the 'pool'
[22:38] <helo> sorry, maybe you misunderstood my question
[22:38] <beuno> ah
[22:39] <beuno> as in, you own the copyright
[22:39] <beuno> yeah, we're looking into making free music available
[22:39] <beuno> we will add a pool of songs for the next release
[22:39] <beuno> and figure out how to make that process more inclusive
[22:39] <helo> so that if i have 10GB of music i'd like to stream to my android phone using u1, i don't need 10GB of storage, because u1 doesn't have to use storage space for my files (by using pooling)
[22:40] <beuno> right
[22:40] <beuno> well
[22:40] <beuno> OTOH, space is pretty cheap *wink*
[22:41] <helo> i guess 20GB and mobile streaming is $7/mo, roughly on par with cheaper than netflix (to put it into perspective of entertainment/dollar)
[22:41] <helo> err on par with, but a little cheaper
[22:41] <beuno> right
[22:51] <helo> if only there was an 'audio diff' that could compare files uploaded to determine whether they matched something in the database...
[22:51] <helo> surely the record companies would not go for it, but it would enable a killer streaming service value...
[22:53] <helo> mmmmm... i should suggest bueno instead of burger king...