[00:40] [muon] jmthomas * 1198254 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Fix names containing Utf8 characters [05:44] shadeslayer: ping === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === hrw|gone is now known as hrw === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:12] apachelogger: for bug 676663 you're usually better just uploading SRUs [09:12] Launchpad bug 676663 in kdenetwork (Ubuntu Karmic) "Kopete ICQ plugin broken due to login server change" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676663 [09:12] apachelogger: also it needs fixed in natty (or marked as already fixed) [09:31] Riddell: it is uploaded [09:31] sru guide says debdiffs are required eitherway [09:31] Riddell: for natty I was actually going to wait for 4.6b1 [09:39] apachelogger: pitti will want it in natty before it gets into older versions [09:40] Riddell: well, if you could just forward port the maverick change, that would be cool [09:40] * apachelogger cannot testbuild right now, since he is netbooking @ university [09:41] also it *is* wasted effort since the patch will be dropped within <7 days [09:43] * Riddell makes it sew === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [10:02] ScottK: how much time it took to build qt4-x11 on armel? [10:07] hrw: he said 12 hours with icecc [10:07] thx [11:09] kubuntu use debian installer or some thing else? [11:17] hanthana, depends on which image you mean, alternative does, desktop use ubiquity [11:30] Riddell: thank you [11:33] hanthana: welcome along [11:33] hanthana: debian-installer on alternate as freeflying says, desktop uses ubiquity which uses strings from debian-installer and some from itself [11:35] freeflying: Riddell : I am approching Kubuntu Desktop edition [11:35] * hanthana asked same question from #kubuntu and #kubuntu-devel. my bad [11:36] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubiquity is the key [11:39] Riddell: don't you guys use Debian Installer at all? [11:40] hanthana: yes, on the alternate CDs, but it's more normal for people to use the desktop CDs which use Ubiquity (which as I say use strings from debian installer) [11:41] Riddell: as we approach desktop edition i can leave Debian installer , and work on Ubiquity [11:42] * hanthana is more interested on offiline l10n with lokalizer instead of launchpad/transifex [11:42] hanthana: it needs both, most of Ubiquity's strings are from Debian Installer [11:42] Riddell: its mean we can inherits my debian translation work? [11:43] hanthana: yes [11:43] cool === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi [12:02] hrw: 23 1/2 hours with one smarttop. 12 with three using icecc. [12:03] thx [12:03] Or ~1 hour to FTBFS with the current gcc, but that's a separate issue. [12:24] [apturl] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101118122415-f1qonsl56yudy951 * debian/ (changelog control) Make apturl-kde explicity depend on python-qt4 and python-kde4 [12:51] ScottK: so the current gcc optimizes compile time! [13:05] ulysses: pong [13:08] shadeslayer: I tried to upgrade to kde 4.5.3 on lucid, but aptitue wanted to remove much thing, like kdebase-workspace, kdebase-workspace-bin, plasma-widget-smooth-tasks, etc [13:08] uh [13:08] ulysses: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:08] dont use aptitude for such stuff [13:08] ah [13:08] also [13:08] i have no idea why aptitude and apt behave so differently :P [13:09] ok, I'll try it [13:14] apt-get wants to upgrade packages too:P [13:15] freespacenotifier kbluetooth kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data knm-runtime ktorrent libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libqt4-multimedia libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 network-manager-kde plasma-widget-smooth-tasks [13:15] \o/ [13:16] ulysses: just make sure it doesnt remove important stuff [13:16] plasma-widget-smooth-tasks is important for me:P [13:17] ^_^ [13:17] ulysses: its not removing that is it? [13:17] these packagaes will be removed, if I hit the 'y' [13:17] what... [13:17] ulysses: are you upgrading from 4.4? [13:17] yeap, it's lucid [13:18] ah clean lucid [13:18] even more win [13:18] ulysses: pastebin apt-get dist-upgrade output [13:18] and afaik thats all good [13:18] but pastebin the output and i can advise only then [13:19] http://pastebin.com/xVcMq0ed [13:19] hold on [13:22] [muon] jmthomas * 1198444 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Fix a crash that occurred if you were making the ApplicationView paint() right before reloading the backend [13:22] why does it want to remove kbluetooth [13:22] weird [13:23] ulysses: im pretty sure youll have to let go of plasma-widget-smooth tasks [13:24] :'( [13:24] there was a reason behind it.... cant remember [13:24] but this was a complaint :P .... [13:25] ah [13:25] is this backports? [13:25] ulysses: i can fix that hold on [13:25] JontheEchidna: thats a clean install upgrading from KDE 4.4 in lucid to KDE 4.5.3 [13:25] its in staging [13:25] ulysses: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+sourcepub/1263164/+listing-archive-extra [13:26] JontheEchidna: any idea why it wants to remove kdebluetooth? [13:26] right, the lucid backports need the library name changes that we got in the debian merge reverted [13:26] e.g. libfoo4a back to lib4 in lucid [13:26] yep [13:26] ulysses: you shall get your plasmoid back, dont worry :D [13:27] :) [13:27] but why does it want to remove kdebluetooth [13:27] kde 4.5 uses bluedevil, no? [13:28] kdebluetooth uses libs from kdebase-workspace [13:40] JontheEchidna: so that upgrade looks fine? [13:40] i was just a bit unsure about kdebluetooth [13:41] no, the library rename changes need to be reverted back to what they were in lucid [13:41] um... why? [13:41] ...because it causes things like kdebluetooth and plasmoids to be removed [13:42] but afaik the same names were used for KDE 4.5.2 [13:42] and the plasmoids are fixed in the backports PPA [13:43] right, the 4.5.2 packgaes are messed up too [13:43] heh :P [13:43] 4.5.3 can't go to lucid-updates like that [13:43] im not putting it there [13:43] and it wont get into lucid updates [13:43] how so? [13:43] since the new policy says we can only do 4.4.x releases [13:43] ( for lucid ) [13:44] oh, right [13:44] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy << [13:44] If approved by the Ubuntu Technical Board, this policy would be implemented starting with KDE 4.4.X in Lucid (already tested and ready for -proposed). [13:44] yeah, I forgot that we weren't on 4.4 anymore [13:44] heh :P [13:44] * Tm_T keeps getting confused with KDE release numbers [13:45] anyways, there must have been some changes with the natty merges that changed some lib from 4a-4b [13:45] JontheEchidna: so id like to keep the maverick packaging [13:45] 99% of it is the same as the maverick kde 4.5.3 packaging [13:45] which is why we're still getting removals even after rebuilding all those apps [13:46] actually.... theres no kdebluetooth in the PPA [13:46] so i think i have to do a seprate upload for that [13:46] ah wait [13:46] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+sourcepub/1263167/+listing-archive-extra [13:46] no need for that as well [13:46] ill just copy stuff [13:54] ulysses: wait for 30 mins and so and check again :D [14:06] JontheEchidna: also the part where it says that it wants to remove Qt stuff seems to be fine, since multimedia foo was merged anyways [14:06] yeah [14:07] freespacenotifier is one other thing im a bit concerned about [14:07] idk where that went [14:08] it's in kdebase-workspace in 4.5 [14:08] !info freespacenotifier natty [14:08] 'natty' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, partner, stable, testing, unstable [14:08] !info freespacenotifier maverick [14:08] Package freespacenotifier does not exist in maverick [14:09] hmm [14:09] right, I think it's in kdebase-workspace-bin in maverick or somesuch, and then debian split it back out. We then got that change in natty [14:10] yeah https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/freespacenotifier/0.0svn1061317-0ubuntu1 [14:10] seems it was moved to kdebase-workspace [14:11] of all the widgets only plasma-widget-smooth-tasks FTBFS's [14:12] wait no.. its yawp [14:14] !find libweather-ion5 [14:14] Package/file libweather-ion5 does not exist in maverick [14:17] hmm.. ill need to update yawp with package from maverick [14:18] [muon] jmthomas * 1198454 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Move the packageChanged() -> setActionsEnabled() connection to MuonMainWindow for less duplication [14:19] [muon] jmthomas * 1198455 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files) Add the "File" menu to muon-installer [14:21] JontheEchidna: when are you moving to Git? :D [14:22] iDunno [14:25] libktorrent-dev is missing so ktorrent fails to build [14:25] ulysses: yes, libktorrent needs publishing first [14:25] im waiting for it to get published ^_^ [14:26] ive also backported a new plasma-widget-yawp [14:26] and for some reason my upload was gobbled by all mighty launchpad [14:26] which seems to have a mind of its own now a days [14:26] evil launchpad [14:26] there we go : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_state=building [14:27] i still dont have a upload email -.- [14:28] i hate it when lp gobbles up my email [14:29] arguably better than it spewing up e-mail at you [14:29] apachelogger: afaik the find search bugfix is on reviewboard [14:29] well... yeah.. i also hate it when it spews rosetta email at me [14:32] ulysses: try now and pastebin output [14:32] ( ktorrent is rebuilding now ) [14:33] http://pastebin.com/7nxHncMa [14:33] lol... one of the builders is called nannyberry [14:34] https://launchpad.net/builders/nannyberry [14:34] looks MUCH better now [14:34] !find libkfontinst4 [14:34] Package/file libkfontinst4 does not exist in maverick [14:34] !find libkfontinst4 lucid [14:34] Found: libkfontinst4 [14:38] [muon] jmthomas * 1198458 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (5 files in 3 dirs) Move the software properties launcher action to MuonMainWindow. All MuonMainWindow derivatives will have this action [14:42] ulysses: upgrade after like ... 20 mins or so, ktorrent will be done till then [14:42] apachelogger: More ice cream troubles. Please see the discussion about which version of gcc I was using in Bug #675347. [14:42] Launchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675347 [14:48] Sput: Definitely ;-) [14:49] shadeslayer: Don't worry about getting tired of email from LP. It now decides when someone in the opensuse bugzilla marks one bug a duplicate of another bug that is so critical I must be emailed about it. [14:54] :D [14:55] I "solved" that one by unsetting the remote bug watch. [14:55] lol [14:55] Probably not the behavior the designers anticipated. [14:56] Riddell: can i haz announcement on kubuntu.org? :D [14:58] shadeslayer: what for? [14:58] Riddell: KDE 4.5.3 for lucid... as soon as ulysses confirms its working and we copy it over to the backports ppa [14:59] shadeslayer: I'm doing the upgrade now [14:59] almost downloaded [14:59] oohh [14:59] Riddell: i copied over some more packages.... you should update and upgrade :D [15:00] kdebluetooth, alot of widgets, ktorrent ... [15:02] and i tested the stuff in my chroot... install seemed to go fine [15:05] shadeslayer: testing yourself is necessary but not sufficient before announce, needs a third party to test too [15:05] shadeslayer: also you say install went fine, did it run? [15:06] Riddell: yep, but since i did a install in a clean chroot, i need to verify if the upgrade works too [15:06] since i did Lucid Base -> Lucid KDE 4.5.3 [15:07] ulysses is testing out a full fledged install :) [15:07] i wrote to upstream about something related to openssl [15:07] cant remember which project :P [15:08] oh skrooge [15:09] shadeslayer: Send them our armel patch too. [15:09] looking into that [15:10] Thanks. [15:11] ScottK: I did the update to wiki entris to netbook and make references to current info regarding plasma-netbook [15:11] apachelogger: any objection to me switching to gstreamer for alpha 1? [15:12] nope [15:12] effie_jayx: I'm subscribed to the page. I saw that. Thank you. Very helpful. [15:12] apachelogger: Did you get my note abou the ice cream? [15:12] yes [15:12] Cool. [15:12] * apachelogger is busy with calculus right now [15:12] Gonna fix it? [15:12] apachelogger: works for me on the important stuff, compositing turned on with the music and videos I have lying around on my hard disk, DVD menus don't work of course, so i think we should solicit larger feedback to see what happens [15:13] rdieter: am I right in thinking Fedora uses phonon gstreamer? [15:13] Riddell: I have a branch with dvdmenu support [15:13] just needs polish [15:13] apachelogger: a branch of phonon? [15:13] ScottK: once I found out what there is to fix [15:13] ulysses: upgrade is a go! :) [15:13] apachelogger: Thanks. [15:14] Riddell: a git phonon branch, yes [15:14] * ulysses crosses fingers [15:14] * shadeslayer holds on to ulysses [15:17] Riddell: not by default, no (still xine) [15:17] Riddell: but we do ship/install it by default [15:18] ScottK: patch forwarded :) [15:18] THanks. [15:19] jefferai: how much would amarok eat us if we switched to phonon gstreamer? [15:20] would amarok eat you? [15:21] what's the impetus to switch to phonon gstreamer? [15:21] jefferai: qtwebkit is using qtmultimediakit which uses gstreamer [15:22] OK, and? [15:22] qtmultimediakit != phonon [15:22] our CD has limited space and getting libraries off which perform duplicate functions is very preferable [15:22] why are we bringing more g* stuff onto the CD :( [15:23] oh... the libs are there? .... [15:23] shadeslayer: just because it begins with a g doesn't make it gnome [15:23] to more x* stuff off the cd [15:23] Riddell: I think the question is really how buggy phonon gstreamer is [15:23] my impression is -- very [15:23] but, ask in the amarok dev channel [15:23] others know more about it than I do [15:25] apachelogger: seems world domination is nearer http://design.canonical.com/2010/11/the-monospace-is-coming/ [15:25] Fortunately we have an active Phonon maintainer here. [15:25] ScottK: who? [15:25] hehehe.... [15:25] jefferai: apachelogger. [15:25] he works on phonon? [15:25] (it's actually a bit of an inside joke - sorry) [15:26] Not when he can avoid it. [15:26] * apachelogger is second in command for some obscure reason [15:26] shadeslayer: why did Canonical feel the need to come up with yet another monospace font? [15:27] there are already plenty of good alternatives to Courier [15:27] it just makes them look silly [15:27] "Courier sucks so we made our own" -- "Umm...why were you using Courier?" [15:27] jefferai: another one? afaik thats the only Ubuntu Monospace font [15:27] jefferai: to fit in with the rest of our desktop [15:27] Yes [15:27] Ubuntu Monospace [15:27] As opposed to many other existing fonts [15:27] ( from the Ubuntu Font Family ) [15:27] jefferai: we don't use courier at the momeny we use deja [15:27] Riddell: the blog post compares to Courier [15:27] like Riddell said.... fits with the overall look [15:27] it doesnt' talk about deja [15:28] how does it fit with the overall look? [15:28] * apachelogger almost got a beating yesterday because people feel that the ubuntu font in 10.10 is the ugly [15:28] how would deja or inconsolata and so on *not* fit? [15:28] jefferai: I think that's just the reference font many font people use for monospace [15:28] but it's a silly comparison because it's not even the font Ubuntu was using! [15:29] Riddell: word back so far is that phonon gstreamer works pretty well except it won't do any last.fm streaming [15:29] so last.fm will be broken for all Amarok users [15:29] Qt: 4.7.0 [15:29] KDE Development Platform: 4.5.3 (KDE 4.5.3) [15:29] on Kubuntu [15:29] jefferai: mm that's interesting [15:29] jefferai: of course last.fm doesn't work for me anyway but that's something to do with money [15:30] * shadeslayer hugs ulysses [15:30] ulysses: fire up some apps and see if you can use them [15:31] report any funny™ behaviour [15:32] Riddell: any news from your side? :) [15:32] there isn' preview in the Box switching when switching windows [15:32] Riddell: nobody really has the time or energy or money to fix up the gstreamer backend since Qt didn't hold to their promise of keeping it maintained [15:32] ulysses: possibly go and checkout system settings [15:32] the best backend that we've found is phonon-vlc [15:33] the newest versions (there will be a new release soon) has been working very well for three days nonstop for markey [15:33] jefferai: erm.. phonon-vlc causes amarok to crash when it exits [15:33] and theres a bug report with about ~10 backtraces attached to it [15:33] shadeslayer: all installed, about to run it [15:33] markey: ^ [15:33] any insight? [15:33] kewl :) [15:33] shadeslayer: it's probably fixed in newer code [15:34] but let's see if markey knows [15:34] im lookning as well [15:34] kde bug 240001 [15:34] KDE bug 240001 in VLC backend "Amarok crashes with phonon-vlc backend (XrmDestroyDatabase at Xrm c, Pulse related)" [Crash,Resolved: upstream] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240001 [15:35] so its resolved [15:35] great! [15:35] ( i didnt look at it for quite some while, i just remembered it now :P ) [15:35] \o/ [15:35] shadeslayer, yofel: apparently we are stalled with kdebindings until upstream fixes it === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:35] apachelogger: re n900 - what do you want to do with it? [15:36] Quintasan: bah [15:36] shadeslayer: oh -- pulseaudio related [15:36] unsurprising [15:37] Nightrose: kubuntu mobile primarily and take qtmultimediakit's only real target platform away and give it to phonon [15:37] Riddell: quite some people are in favour of the clear button in the URL bar... some not quite for the idea..... its a hot topic on the mailing list, go put your views on it [15:37] apachelogger: i might have one then for this [15:37] * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger [15:37] hooray hooray [15:37] apachelogger: w00t :D [15:37] silly lokalize, can't load the project, just eat cpu :$ [15:38] shadeslayer: 4.5.3 works on lucid! but funky double panel strangeness http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/lucid.png [15:38] ah! [15:38] I don't have two panel o.O [15:38] thats something due to plasma and our settings messing stuff up :P [15:38] also [15:39] happens only in VM's [15:39] :> [15:39] hmm, sounds worrying [15:39] Riddell: i had the same issue on maverick when i booted it on a VM, but a live ISO ran fine [15:39] I also had a crash i policykit but I'll put that down to running in a chroot [15:40] no ideas on that one [15:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/lucid.png [15:41] ulysses: any polkit crashes? [15:41] shadeslayer: nothing [15:41] apachelogger: poke me again about it next week and we'll figure something out [15:41] ulysses: same thing with firefox? [15:41] too tired atm [15:41] Nightrose: :* [15:42] shadeslayer: same with konsole too [15:42] i also need to poke rbelem about getting kubuntu mobile for other phones and such [15:42] ulysses: possibly turn on Highlight window in system settings? [15:43] apachelogger: :* [15:45] apachelogger: damn it.... now i cant stop thinking about the N900 [15:45] my mind was made up about the HTC Desire [15:48] shadeslayer: it's on [15:48] ok hold on...looking [15:48] I turn Box Switch out, it is very slooooooooow [15:50] ulysses: did you try re adding the widget? [15:50] :P [15:50] ah, Lokalize's second start was faster [15:50] ( i know its lame, but still worth a try ) [15:51] doesn't help [15:52] no idea :( [15:52] I'll just turn out:p [15:53] [muon] jmthomas * 1198469 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Add an install/remove button inside the app details widget [15:56] whee http://imgur.com/pGm7d [15:56] JontheEchidna: what's new? [15:57] install/remove button [15:57] also forward/back are now toolbar buttons [15:58] so now you can install apps from both the package list and the application details widget [15:59] I do wonder what that black ring surrounding amarok's icon is: http://imgur.com/OL6A0 [16:00] JontheEchidna: Did you have thoughts on 4.5.5 for -proposed? [16:00] doesn't appear in the details view: http://imgur.com/UCarU [16:01] ScottK: we just need to make sure that none of the library renames debian did in 4.4 that we merged during natty don't get applied to the packages for maverick-proposed [16:01] whoa [16:02] JontheEchidna: Right. We need to start with lucid and 4.4 though I think. [16:02] JontheEchidna: Sorry, I meant 4.4.5. [16:02] oh [16:03] I think for 4.5.3 and maverick it's a bit soon. [16:03] same goes for lucid, except one KDE release cycle back. iirc we had this issue then, too [16:05] where we miss an ABI break, debian catches it/renames their packages, then when we merge for ubuntu+1 we pick up the new names [16:05] we then make packages for KDE 4.x+1, backport to ubuntu-1, and the new names stay for some reason [16:05] a bit of a mess [16:12] Riddell: Looks like we have at least a work around for the Qt arm build failure. [16:13] ScottK: oh? [16:13] += -fno-strict-volatile-bitfields [16:13] I've no idea what it does, but it gets past where it was failing. [16:14] I'll work it into a proper patch and upload it. [16:25] Riddell: The comment for debian/patches/89_powerpc_opts.diff says "Not needed long-term as the relevant g++ bug is fixed in GCC 4.4." Perhaps I should drop this patch. [16:25] ScottK: in qt? [16:25] Yes. [16:25] I'm consulting your patch review mail now [16:26] ScottK: it's a debian patch, plenty of their patches can be dropped but we don't because we may as well stay in line with debian [16:26] hopefully fabo will consult my patch review e-mail :) [16:26] Riddell: OK. The thing is it have to modify that patch now due to this new one. Modify it or drop it? [16:27] I've actually got the change done, so it's the same effort either way. [16:28] then keep it [16:32] shadeslayer: so moveing packages from staging to backports? [16:32] Riddell: i cant right now, im off to study :P [16:32] maybe tommorow? [16:32] or if you want to do it :) [16:34] no you study and do it tomorrow [16:34] ok [16:34] cya tmmrw then :) [16:35] Actually I don't have to change it. [16:35] (silly me, new patch is only for armel) [16:39] JontheEchidna: could you take a look at the commit I just made to kubuntu-notification-helper for gstreamer and let me know if I can upload [16:41] I think the strings could be way less scary, but on a technical basis the commit is sound. [16:41] I couldn't think of a less scary way to put it [16:41] I agree bad and ugly and gstreamer are scary [16:41] Should be good to upload. [16:42] we'll just have to think of something later :) [16:43] gotta get to class; be back in ~an hour [16:43] well, an hour and a half more likely [16:57] OK. Qt uploaded. We'll know tomorrow if it worked. === hrw is now known as hrw|gone === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:36] o/ [17:38] Quintasan: meh, leave it then, we've got other stuff left to do anyway [17:41] DarkwingDuck: Re perl and the icecc stuff, if you could make a patch to kdescr-build that would shell out right as it's about to start to build and print the results of "which g++" to stdout, that might reveal something. [17:54] ScottK: i was thinking something along those lines... i was going to output to a log so i could view it. [17:54] OK. [18:00] shadeslayer: amarok crashes all the time if I want to play something (mp3 or internet stream) [18:10] markey: ^^ KDE 4.5.3 and Qt 4.7 on lucid [18:11] ulysses: please check any bug reports on bugs.kde.org with help of crash assistant that pops up [18:12] shadeslayer: Did you rebuild amarok? [18:13] it's from lucid/main, not from the staging ppa [18:13] ScottK: nope [18:13] That would be why it crashes. [18:13] You'll need to build it in the PPA against 4.5. [18:14] ill do that [18:16] copied over builds.. should be building shortly [18:18] oh... heads up. GreyGeek saw the posts for my call and wants to help with documentation [18:19] also, apachelogger ping [18:39] Riddell: It looks like I may have touched the wrong qmake bits with my patch (since arm still FTBFS, just later on with the same error). Would you please have a look. [18:52] * Quintasan_Droid made a cheesecake [18:53] * Quintasan_Droid cant wait to eat it [19:01] Hey GreyGeek [19:01] apachelogger: Pingie [19:01] Hi [19:02] * dasKreech takes a fork that goes alllllll the way across the room and eats up Quintasan_Droid's cheesecake. He eats it up! [19:02] hi GreyGeek [19:02] Howdy! [19:02]