[00:17] So, would anyone in here be interested in giving the classroom folks a hand recruiting locos for the loco days event (or volunteering your loco to do a session)? [00:20] nhandler: ill give it a shot seeing if I can recruit some folks [00:21] Thanks duanedesign. I really think this will be a beneficial event, we just need to get some momentum going [00:21] i agree [00:23] i have a couple of locos I have been in contact with recently about other topics. I can use the opportunity to mention the Loco Days [00:24] duanedesign: Thanks. Remind them that the topic for the sessions is rather trivial, so almost anyone should be able to participate (we want groups of people to lead when possible in the native language) [07:19] * jussi sighs tiredly. some mornings just arent good [07:19] hi all [07:24] o/ jussi [07:30] nhandler: is it something for English language locos too? [07:37] Morning jussi [07:37] * nigelb hugs jussi [07:37] AlanBell: yes [07:37] AlanBell: But we essentialy want other lanuage locos to recognize the value of irc as a classroom like spanish loco did [08:02] good morning! === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [08:29] good morning everyone [08:33] kim0, صباح الخير [08:33] dholbach: morgen ;) [08:34] kim0, sehr gut! :) [08:34] ehum :D [08:34] very good ? [08:34] "very good", yes :) [08:34] yeeha [08:35] hehe [08:35] dholbach: how's it going [08:36] kim0, بخير، الحمدلله [08:36] lol [08:36] very good .. :) [08:37] kim0, how about you? :) [08:37] (not sure how to ask that yet :-)) [08:37] my neighbor across the hall was trying to teach me some arabic the other day when i was helping her with her english homework. (yeah i know, different language) [08:39] no, that was (well was supposed to be) Arabic :) [08:39] oh confusing! [08:39] i thought you did farsi not arabic! [08:39] he does everything :) [08:40] kim0, just little bits here and there [08:40] youve at least managed to stick with one foreign language enough to be pretty much fluent [08:40] (yeah yeah you'll argue you're not, but it takes a shock to get you to screw up your english) [08:42] "English is the easiest language to speak badly" [08:42] why is that! [08:42] whoever said that didnt hear me trying to remember japanese last weekend! O_O [08:43] hahah .. I suppose Japanese is pretty hard [08:44] it took me 5 minutes (*after* trying to say it) to remember how to say"i haven't been studying for 4 years" ... instead i said "4 years no study" ... i also had to give directions 1/2 in english to the poor tourists [08:44] younen kara benkyou shite imasen <-- what i should have said. what i said --> younen benkyou shimasen [09:19] HOla kim0, dholbach [09:19] kim0: Had a good festival? :) [09:19] hi nigelb [09:20] * nigelb also waves to dpm [09:24] nigelb: hey :) Yeah indeed .. it was fun [09:26] kim0: \o/ [09:26] hehe :) [09:26] I just realized that beetroot can be made into halwa and its *extremely* tasty when hot along with ice cream :D [09:27] In short - excellent lunch :D [09:27] morning all [09:28] Morning duanedesign [09:28] morning [09:29] strange, maco was just active and you're saying 'Morning' and you're from the same TZ . . . [09:30] :) [09:31] hey nigelb, hey kim0, hi duanedesign [09:31] dpm: morning man [12:39] AlanBell: Yeah, any loco can participate. [12:40] I wish the non evil version said that :p [12:57] wooopeeee! finally we are getting an Ubuntu Monopsace font in natty!: http://design.canonical.com/?p=14770 [13:15] nisshh: aha, goody [13:15] duanedesign, i was hoping we would, i got a very vague answer during Ask Mark a while back [13:18] looks good [13:26] Call for more volunteers and nominations for Editor in Chief for UWN (process still being worked out - but if you are interested please let me know and I can go over the Editor in Chief responsibilities) :-) [13:26] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-November/001200.html [13:32] will mention it on the podcast [13:35] popey, thank you - we still don't have a good process for this b/c it wasn't an open and transparent decision in the past [13:35] (as you know) [13:40] maybe it's time to close up UWN? [13:40] (just a suggestion) [13:42] popey, that would need to be a community decision :-) I'd hate to be the reason it goes away :-( [13:42] you wouldn't be the reason [13:43] you're stepping down, if nobody else steps up then that's the community decision done for you [13:43] we can't beat people into contributing [13:43] we can try :) [13:43] true [13:43] we have tried on the podcast to get people to contribute [13:43] it's almost impossible [13:44] nods [13:44] I was spending upwards of 15 hours each week on UWN [13:44] yeah, thats just not practical [13:45] especially when I had to cover all the sections [13:45] makes me wonder how long we spend on the podcast... [13:45] popey: I'll call over next time and listen and make tea! [13:45] hows that [13:45] and publish it - I keep thinking if we can get more people to do one little task [13:45] then no one would be overwhelmed [13:45] czajkowski: sure! [13:45] akgraner: was it always taking 15 hours a week though [13:45] czajkowski: I'll drive you down to Tony & Lauras if you like [13:46] ohh studio B [13:46] :D [13:46] no, A [13:46] popey towers is B [13:46] ahh [13:46] sure [13:46] :) [13:46] I think maybe halting UWN for a cycle the relaunching a new a better product might be an option as well [13:46] but I need to pitch it to the team [13:47] suggestions welcome and wanted :-) [13:47] I upgraded my survery monkey account so I could get all the results from the survey and will get that information out tomorrow [13:48] time to go poke/bribe/talk nicely to the folks in IS [13:49] time for me to "clock in at work" [13:49] akgraner: you'll get some feedback after next wednesday [13:49] bbiab [13:49] popey awesome - thank you! [13:49] np [13:49] might blog about it actually, see what people say [13:50] yep that's what I am going to do when I send out the survey results [13:53] Zoiks.. rough guess it's 25 person-hours hours spent per episode of UUPC [13:56] wow [13:57] but sooo worth it! [14:39] heh, an aussie friend says its more cheaper to call australia from india than to call Brisbane to Canberra [15:50] hey all [15:50] hey jono [15:50] hey dholbach [15:50] * czajkowski offers jono a curly wurly [15:50] czajkowski, :) [15:51] jono: morning o/ [15:51] howdy kim0 [15:51] welcome back! [15:51] thanks :) [15:51] kim0, I need to take a call in 9mins, I am going to try and keep it to 30, can we talk after that? [15:52] jono: I'm writing a blog post, and for me I can skip today, but can also do it if needed [15:53] kim0, np [15:57] * AlanBell wonders if jono is in the uk for Christmas [15:58] sunshine V rain [15:58] hard choice! [15:59] AlanBell, afraid not [15:59] we alternative, this year, Christmas here, and in our new house :-) [16:00] yay! new house! [16:00] jono: ohh new place [16:00] sweet [16:00] jono, will there be enough food for me to visit? :) [16:00] heh [16:00] JFo: I doubt there is a plce that satisfys that condition :p [16:01] :-O [16:01] yay - on the new house! - congrats jono! [16:01] * nigelb hugs JFo [16:01] akgraner, thanks! [16:01] JFo, dude, you have to visit, and Erica really wants to meet you :) [16:02] jono: Congrats :) [16:02] ok, night all. I have wake up at 4. [16:02] night nigelb! [16:03] ok my friends - I call it a day [16:03] see you all tomorrow [16:03] big hugs! [16:03] night dholbach! [16:12] ah well. if anyone is in the London area: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/ [16:18] now that took forever [16:38] jono: still in San Fran with new house? [17:10] Technoviking, moving further to the East Bay [17:10] we are in the East Bay now, but want to move further where it is warmer :-) [17:10] wuss [17:13] jono: coolness and congrats [17:21] for the 2nd day in a row someone is smoking some serious weed in my condo complex [17:21] it's as if the atmosphere is made of pot [17:22] * popey wonders what a condo complex is [17:22] popey: it's like apartments, but people own them instead [17:22] is that like a few appartments stitched together? [17:22] yeah [17:22] ahh [17:22] condos you specifically own rather than rent? [17:23] thanks Technoviking :) [17:23] popey, terraced flats [17:23] :-) [17:23] ah [17:23] I'm thinking of a scene in pulp fiction [17:23] where John T gets shot in the toilet [17:29] popey: yes, however I rent my condo [17:29] popey: I know it can be confusing [17:31] lol [17:31] sub-let? [17:32] some places do both [17:33] heh, i was just watching an episode of Weeds! [17:40] vish: Welcome to the wonderful world. [17:40] is smoking pot quite common there? and not a big deal there? [17:41] Opinion?: Which sounds better Absolute Beginner Talk or New to Ubuntu? [17:41] New to Ubuntu [17:42] vish, depends on where you are [17:44] yea, probably.. [17:44] but i was just watching the show and shows do exaggerate.. but when jcastro mentioned it, just sounded more common.. [17:44] it is pretty common... even in the places where it is illegal :) [17:45] ;) [18:44] jono: when do you get to move? [18:47] jcastro: no compiz unity in Maverick, bummer but make sense [18:49] Technoviking: you'd end up with something more broken; at that point might as well go natty [18:52] help keep popey safe next week when we might have a spot of sleet in the UK http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/CarSurvivalKit [18:53] AlanBell: yawn, going to get 5-10" of snow this weekend:) [18:54] I am loving the replay http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ep/pad/view/CarSurvivalKit/latest [19:06] I misread that as 5'10" of snow. === JFo is now known as JFo-food [19:30] czajkowski, few weeks :-) [19:30] sweet, though i don't envy you moving house, it's a nightmare === JFo-food is now known as JFo [20:02] I have a question about the Ubuntu CoC, is this the right channel? [20:02] Most likely. [20:02] Wazzzaaa: sup [20:02] Oke :) [20:03] I quote: "We chose the name Ubuntu for our operating system because we think it captures perfectly the spirit of the sharing and cooperation that is at the heart of the open-source movement. In the free software world,...". [20:03] I guess it is a bit confusing to use Open Source and Free Source [20:03] They is a difference between them, right? [20:04] there is, and there is a FAQ about that somewhere [20:04] the Ubuntu position is basically, call it what you like, it is the same stuff [20:05] pretty much is imo [20:05] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy [20:05] Although some people regard ‘free’ and ‘open source' as competing movements with different ends, we do not. Ubuntu proudly includes members who identify with both. [20:07] Yeah, the two terms overlap [20:08] So Ubuntu is both Open Source and Free Source right? [20:08] popey, I am laughing at your list of car safety items [20:10] We (the dutch LoCo) are translating the CoC and put them on our website and wiki. Is there another way or place to put our translation? (I can't find anything on Launchpad about translations). [20:10] Open Source and Free Software [20:11] Thanks for the nuance :P [20:12] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-translations-translatable-coc/ [20:13] lots of TODO on that one! [20:14] I see [20:39] Under "When we are unsure, we ask for help"; "However, when asking a question, care must be taken to do so in an appropriate forum." [20:40] Why forum? Why not "place", where place can be the appropriate IRC chan, mailinglist, forum [20:40] Wazzzaaa: 'forum' is used here as a generic term. It doesn't necessarily mean the Ubuntu Forums. [20:40] A forum is any place for discussion. [20:42] Hehe, that was my first thought. It's the same word in dutch, but I'm afraid most dutch people will confuse that with THE forum [21:01] Wazzzaaa: "forum" is latin for "public place" (a.o.) ;) [21:07] :) [21:07] Is there a TODO to translate the CoC into latin? [21:10] JFo: good isnt it :D [21:10] popey, hilarious [21:11] just discovered the awesomeness of freenx [21:11] jcastro, any idea if I can use Unity in a VM? [21:11] with 3d accel [21:11] unlikely [21:11] didn't think so [21:11] compiz barely works inside virtualbox [21:11] I've asked around and I've heard "unlikely" as well [21:12] tried to boot from USB, it hung at SYSLINUX [21:12] a daily from tomorrow will work, since unity was just uploaded [21:12] well, assuming you get past the syslinux [21:13] jcastro, yeah, for me it is a boot issue right now [21:22] jcastro, so I need to install the PPA for Unity in Unity now, right? [21:22] oops Unity and Natty [21:22] yep [21:23] it was uploaded to natty but according to lp it failed to build [21:23] jcastro, ok, where is the PPA? [21:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuide [21:23] thanks [21:23] all three commands are there [21:23] then log out and back in [21:23] and fire up the ccsm thing [21:24] are there still 32-bit issues? [21:24] yes but the upload today fixed them [21:24] cool [21:24] however it didn't build in lp [21:24] oh [21:24] so it's fixed just not built [21:24] so not helpful at all then [21:24] lol [21:24] as it just happens [21:24] :-) [21:24] no worries [21:24] thanks, pal [21:24] I happen to have a "rebuild" button in lp [21:25] this is why I am using a USB stick :-) [21:25] so I am trying to rebuild nux and unity now [21:25] why not just wait until tomorrow? [21:25] true, but I happened to be looking it up [21:25] and I saw the rebuild button [21:25] so I clicked it [21:25] what rebuild button? [21:25] I have special lp powers [21:26] you are rebuilding it on LP? [21:26] I thought you meant your local machine [21:27] jcastro, ^ [21:27] oh sweet, it rebuilt nux on lp [21:27] * jcastro tries unity [21:27] lets see if this works [21:27] jcastro, should you really be rebuilding packages on LP? [21:27] that is really for the desktop team to be doing [21:27] heh [21:28] it just fires off another build [21:28] hmmm [21:28] I think you should check if it is cool to do that [21:29] good idea [21:29] irrespective of where you see a damn button or not [21:29] lol [21:34] I appear to have found a bug [21:34] well, it was there, and it offered, I thought I was doing lp a favor [21:39] JFo: don't tell anyone [21:39] but I totally fell for this [21:39] no, the "magically fix the package and rebuild" button is *very* heavily restricted in LP [21:41] heh [21:41] it will be our secret [21:42] Pici: it might sound unbelievable, but somebody here in Bruges managed to get Ubuntu introduced in a school after he showed the latin teacher of his daughter that you could run it with a GUI in latin (including OOo Writer with a latin spellchecker!), so I guess we need a latin CoC too ☺ [21:44] nice [21:52] jono: ok sounds like that button shouldn't be shown to me, I have filed a bug as per recommendation [21:52] and won't click the button [21:53] jcastro, thanks [21:53] in stock Ubuntu, where do I find USB Creator: Applications -> System -> ? [21:53] I am in Unity so I just search for it :-) [21:53] system [21:53] admin [21:53] usb creator [21:53] sorry [21:54] startup disk creator [21:54] thanks [22:08] jcastro, did the new build work? [22:09] no [22:09] np [22:09] it's just a redo of the broken upload, I actually don't modify anything [22:10] ok [22:10] I suspect didrocks will see this as soon as he wakes up [22:10] when you install the PPA, do you select it from the session menu as before? [22:10] no, you just log into the normal desktop session [22:10] you DO need to launch ccsm and check the unity plugin to turn it on [22:11] jono I would install nautilus-open-terminal or gnome-do before trying the new unity [22:12] ^^^^ [22:12] you can't add item to the launcher yet [22:12] also [22:12] leave a terminal open at all times [22:12] Technoviking: sam is looking at making it fallback to metacity at least [22:13] jcastro: will it be awhile before the menu icon works again?, thought I heard alpha 2 [22:13] I heard A2 as well [22:14] * popey watches the time fly by till april [22:14] er may [22:14] no.. april [22:15] * popey gets an early night :) [22:15] ONG Ubuntu really needs to bold there warnings on some of their risky posts [22:18] people never get it anyway [22:18] here's a response I got: [22:18] (wrt. the kernel patch) [22:18] "I do understand Ubuntu devs not wanting to maintain an out of tree patch and it's great that it looks like this will make it into Natty. But in the mean time, what about implementing Lennart Poettering's script that I posted about above??? Maybe an semi-official PPA for ubuntu users? That would be better than Ubuntu users trying to compile their own kernels or using kernels compiled from various untrusted sources." [22:19] it's like dude, there is no easy way [22:25] jcastro: I had people asking me today if that patch was going to so up soon in 10.10 and 10.01 [22:25] s/10.01/10.04 [22:25] I found the name "speed booster patch" really amusing [22:25] yeah [22:25] (that patch makes your system slower) [22:26] if you want to watch HD video whilst hammering the crap out of your CPU in a terminal then it rocks [22:26] otherwise don't bother [22:27] AlanBell: well, it also helps if updatedb runs while I look at a HD video ;) [22:27] I can do that with the stock kernel though [22:27] or is supposed to help (I didn't test it yet) [22:31] dunno, I don't even remember how to build a kernel [22:31] let alone patch one or git merge or whatever [22:32] heh [22:32] I get the feeling jono's session didn't work [22:32] heh [22:32] Lennart Poettering's script is not a kernel patch [22:33] what script is that? [22:34] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html [22:34] not a script as such, but some bash bits [22:34] I didn't see it yet, but I guess it uses cgroups? [22:34] yup [22:35] jcastro: lol [22:41] this is very strange [22:42] i rebooted after an update to maverick [22:42] and now my desktop is super responsive and all my apps load way faster [22:42] that was some update :) [22:49] jono: any luck? [22:49] jcastro, I kind of got it running [22:49] I got the launcher to appear [22:49] and then it shit itself [22:54] jono: deleting .gnome* and .config* fix that for me [22:54] Technoviking, ahhh [22:58] jono: remember the one in the PPA is a week old [22:58] jcastro, yup [22:58] ok I'm going to refresh my sources and build this sucker [23:02] jcastro, Technoviking https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-November/032092.html [23:03] I am confused [23:03] can't you do that today? [23:03] install to a USB stick as if it was an external drive? [23:04] yeah, never done it, but thought you could run Ubuntu from a USB [23:04] well yeah [23:04] the USB sticks have always done that [23:05] jcastro, you can, technically [23:05] but every time you boot the installer shows [23:05] and you have to click Try ubuntu each time [23:05] oh you mean keep a persistant thing on it? [23:05] yeah [23:05] when you make the key [23:05] there's a slider in the usb creator [23:05] to let you choose to keep persistance on the key [23:06] as well as how much space to set aside [23:07] jcastro, read my post [23:07] I am [23:07] I say if persistance is turned on [23:08] is it asking you "try ubuntu" every time but still keeping your settings? [23:08] yes [23:08] this maybe? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ [23:08] OH. [23:08] I see what you mean [23:08] :) [23:09] seems like it would be easy to have the Try Ubuntu read look for and a settings folder of some sort [23:10] or just say "I see persistant data on this key let's not ask" [23:10] and just boot into your desktop [23:21] jcastro, well possibly, but also I think the fact you can use it for persisance is a feature that we hide too much [23:21] we should make it top-level [23:21] * jcastro nods [23:24] ok so I'm not familiar with cmake [23:24] so this is my first time [23:24] and I already know I don't like it [23:29] jono: Technoviking: I am defeated for the day [23:30] jcastro, np [23:40] jcastro: drink many beers of recovery [23:40] heh [23:40] My beer is named "didrocks" and it comes in tomorrow. [23:41] Technoviking: I got a boxee box [23:41] so that's what I am playing with instead [23:41] jcastro: sweet, asking Santa Wife for one for Christmas [23:42] im trying to con my parents into buying me a new desktop system for christmas :) [23:43] im getting sick of this old thing [23:45]