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vinnl | Hey charlie-tca :) | 18:58 |
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mr_pouit | . | 19:00 |
charlie-tca | Hm, anyone not here yet, please raise your hand? | 19:00 |
* TheSheep raises a hand | 19:00 | |
charlie-tca | Okie dokie. Don't want to keep anyone too long, so let's go | 19:01 |
charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 19:01 |
MootBot | Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca. | 19:01 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:01 |
charlie-tca | Since I seem to be the one that did that, I'll chair today | 19:01 |
charlie-tca | TOPIC agenda | 19:01 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] agenda | 19:02 |
MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | # Continue working with the new Governance structure | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | # Changes for Natty Narwhal | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | # login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable - charlie-tca | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | # | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | New icon theme, elementary vs faenza - charlie-tca | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | # Team updates (Packaging, Bug Triage, Development / Coding, Testing, Documentation, Artwork) | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | Hm, not quite the order I wanted. Let's start with Team updates | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | developers, where we at in natty? | 19:03 |
mr_pouit | inclusion of Xfce 4.7.x is in progress (a bit blocked currently because of some stupid stuff done by glib developers) | 19:04 |
charlie-tca | Great! Are we staying with the same applications as maverick? | 19:04 |
mr_pouit | almost all 4.8 core libs are already there | 19:04 |
mr_pouit | I think so, unless someone has new things to propose to the ml | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | Okay. Thanks, mr_pouit | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | website ? | 19:05 |
mr_pouit | (there will probably be some issues because ubuntu is moving to gtk3 and we don't, but we'll see when they arise) | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | anything else, mr_pouit ? | 19:06 |
mr_pouit | no, that's all :p | 19:07 |
charlie-tca | vinnl: there was some discussion of moving the website to wordpress. Is that still on-going? | 19:07 |
vinnl | charlie-tca, I don't know, I believe that was knome's initiative, I have not much to do with keeping the website running | 19:07 |
charlie-tca | I had hopes you knew more than me... ;-) | 19:08 |
vinnl | Hehe, sorry to disappoint | 19:08 |
charlie-tca | Appears that is falling by the wayside, then. | 19:08 |
charlie-tca | Anyone here want to grab documentation? We really need to try and get that updated for Natty | 19:09 |
vinnl | Wasn't Pasi working on an updated version with the new Xubuntu style? | 19:09 |
mhall119 | quick question, is Xfce upgrading to GTK3? | 19:09 |
vinnl | (@website) | 19:09 |
charlie-tca | As far as I know | 19:09 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit: what about gtk3? | 19:09 |
mr_pouit | mhall119: no, 4.8 will use gtk2 | 19:09 |
mhall119 | ok | 19:10 |
vinnl | There was a discussion on the Xfce list about this today | 19:10 |
vinnl | They wanted to wait until it's been released for a while so bugs have been ironed out | 19:10 |
mhall119 | works for me | 19:10 |
mr_pouit | (ah, I didn't have the time to check my mails from today ;) | 19:10 |
mhall119 | how about settings, I thought I heard a while ago plans to move to dconf/gsettings | 19:11 |
vinnl | They mentioned that too, same conversation | 19:11 |
mhall119 | ok | 19:11 |
vinnl | They wanted to, eventually, but xfconf works fine, so they're not in a hurry | 19:11 |
mhall119 | do you happen to hav a link to that thread vinnl ? | 19:11 |
vinnl | It's not the transition that's a lot of work, it's conversion of settings :) | 19:11 |
vinnl | Ehm, let me look | 19:11 |
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vinnl | mhall119, here: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html | 19:12 |
mhall119 | thanks, cause that move is going to affect QImo | 19:12 |
charlie-tca | [LINK] http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html | 19:12 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html | 19:12 |
charlie-tca | okay, moving on then | 19:13 |
charlie-tca | http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html | 19:13 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html | 19:13 |
charlie-tca | Bugs and Testing: We are working to triage bugs as they come in. We are getting hit pretty hard on abiword right now | 19:14 |
charlie-tca | Got to try and upstream those | 19:14 |
charlie-tca | Testing will be ongoing, with the changes in Natty for Ubuntu, we need to try and test every day or two. | 19:14 |
charlie-tca | I am running a full upgrade maverick to natty already, on my daily use machine | 19:15 |
charlie-tca | Artwork: I have gotten with the community artwork team, they have drawn up a preliminary spec for us: | 19:16 |
charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 | 19:16 |
charlie-tca | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 | 19:16 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 | 19:16 |
charlie-tca | If anyone has suggestions for that, I am open. | 19:16 |
charlie-tca | Also, we are looking at replacing the elementary icon theme with faenza | 19:17 |
charlie-tca | [LINK] http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce | 19:17 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce | 19:17 |
charlie-tca | It looks to be a very nice theme | 19:17 |
charlie-tca | well, icon set | 19:17 |
charlie-tca | any objections to replacing elementary? | 19:18 |
vinnl | Ehm | 19:18 |
TheSheep | charlie-tca: I think that faenza has severe usability problems | 19:18 |
vinnl | I recall reading on the faenza page that a lot of icons were missing, recently. Is that still the case? | 19:18 |
TheSheep | charlie-tca: especially with the small icons | 19:18 |
thorwil | hi, let me catch up | 19:19 |
TheSheep | charlie-tca: in particular, all the icons have the same outline | 19:19 |
charlie-tca | You mean, the squares? | 19:19 |
TheSheep | yes | 19:19 |
mr_pouit | yeah, for the completeness, I think ochosi is working on it (but he doesn't seem to be here now) | 19:20 |
charlie-tca | The colors are great for visibility, though | 19:20 |
TheSheep | plus, the icons are different than the default icons for most applications | 19:20 |
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thorwil | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 is the work of j_baer, not the "team". well, and full of problems | 19:20 |
charlie-tca | Yesw, they are different | 19:20 |
TheSheep | I just spent a minute looking for gimp (I enabled faenza for test) | 19:20 |
charlie-tca | thorwil: help? | 19:20 |
vinnl | charlie-tca, also, about the spec - what Creative Commons license must submissions adhere to? | 19:21 |
vinnl | -NC is quite restrictive | 19:21 |
thorwil | charlie-tca: i'm Thorsten Wilms. you will remember that we talked about design and the need for differentiation and a strategy at UDS | 19:21 |
charlie-tca | Yup | 19:21 |
charlie-tca | I remember. I did not realize that spec was not good. | 19:21 |
thorwil | so the problem of that spec is that it is not based on any such thoughts | 19:21 |
charlie-tca | should I email you and Saleel for this one? | 19:22 |
thorwil | sure | 19:22 |
mhall119 | vinnl: IIRC, -NC isn't allowed in universe | 19:22 |
charlie-tca | Glad you made it here. | 19:22 |
thorwil | unless you want to discuss the very definition of the project and the strategy right here :) | 19:22 |
vinnl | mhall119, more reason to state that in the spec :) | 19:22 |
charlie-tca | Okay, throw the spec page out for now. I will get the artists and get a real one drawn up. If anyone has ideas, we need them. | 19:23 |
mr_pouit | I can't see where -nc is written… | 19:23 |
thorwil | if CC, ask for plain CC or CC-SA | 19:23 |
vinnl | mr_pouit, no, but no specific CC license is specified, which implies -NC is an option | 19:23 |
thorwil | NC and ND don't belong | 19:23 |
vinnl | Exactly | 19:23 |
mr_pouit | yeah ok | 19:24 |
vinnl | Ah yeah I meant ND, that's the worst clause :) | 19:24 |
knome | 'lo | 19:24 |
thorwil | hi knome | 19:24 |
charlie-tca | Hey , knome | 19:24 |
charlie-tca | We were just discussing possible specs for artwork | 19:24 |
knome | mm-hmm | 19:25 |
mr_pouit | (well, with -nc you can't even put a screenshot of the desktop in a book/magazine…) | 19:25 |
charlie-tca | apparently, I am in a pile of straw when it comes to it. thorwil is going to help draw up specs, I think | 19:26 |
vinnl | mr_pouit, I suppose that would fall under Fair Use, which I think most countries have? Still, it'd definitely be undesirable | 19:26 |
vinnl | But okay, if a new spec is going to be written, this can be something to keep in mind, no need to discuss it further I suppose | 19:27 |
thorwil | knome: where i have been gently pushing, along with Saleel, to first have a clear definition of the xubuntu project. especially how it differentiates itself from ubuntu and other. why it is worthwhile | 19:27 |
thorwil | knome: as these questions will lead to a message to get across via the artwork | 19:27 |
knome | yes.. | 19:28 |
charlie-tca | vinnl: I think we can draw it up to give us the license we need submissions to fall under | 19:28 |
charlie-tca | but right now, it seems to be "guess and pray" requests | 19:29 |
charlie-tca | knome: thoughts on this? | 19:29 |
knome | not really | 19:30 |
knome | sounds doable | 19:30 |
thorwil | i'v been told that the "lightweight" aspect often makes people think xubuntu would be only for old hardware. so instead, maybe emphasize performance? | 19:30 |
charlie-tca | Do we need to have a separate meeting for this discussion to happen, or do it via mailing list/emails. I don't think thorwil and saleel are on the xubuntu lists | 19:30 |
thorwil | and it seems xubuntu will be conservative compared to ubuntu | 19:31 |
knome | charlie-tca, since there is not artwork team in xubuntu ATM, isn't it you who accepts or declines what thorwil and saleel have drafted? | 19:32 |
charlie-tca | I like the emphasize performance part | 19:32 |
beardygnome | i agree with thorwil, lightweight tends to give the wrong impression | 19:32 |
charlie-tca | I guess it is. but I kind of take everyone's word on it, since I don't know all the in's and out's | 19:32 |
thorwil | knome: ideally most of this would come from team members, while i just offer guidance | 19:33 |
knome | thorwil, there is no such 'team members' | 19:33 |
charlie-tca | knome: we still like to have input on it. You know more about licenses and what the artwork should represent than I do | 19:33 |
charlie-tca | [ACTION] charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email | 19:35 |
MootBot | ACTION received: charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email | 19:35 |
knome | imo if somebody wants his work in xubuntu, it should be no problem to publish the artwork in whatever license you ask for | 19:35 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable | 19:36 |
MootBot | New Topic: login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable | 19:36 |
mhall119 | why? | 19:36 |
knome | charlie-tca, there has been talk about LightDM | 19:36 |
charlie-tca | why? because we keep getting issues with GDM when they change things in Gnome | 19:37 |
mhall119 | LightDM uses webkit? | 19:37 |
charlie-tca | I have been following the lightDM stuff. Does it use webkit? | 19:38 |
highvoltage | yep, you can even try it in your web browser :) | 19:38 |
mr_pouit | one of the greeters uses webkit | 19:38 |
highvoltage | (well, the greeter, anyway) | 19:38 |
mhall119 | oh, appears there's a separate -webkit and -gnome versions | 19:38 |
charlie-tca | gnome versions are what makes things difficult sometimes. | 19:38 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit: what about what is it ? lxdm? | 19:39 |
mhall119 | how about LXDE's new one? | 19:39 |
mhall119 | heh | 19:39 |
charlie-tca | Wouldn't it make things easier than GDM? | 19:39 |
cyberanger | I use SLiM myself | 19:39 |
mr_pouit | I don't know, didn't try since a long time. But I trust lightdm to be better written ;] | 19:40 |
charlie-tca | hm, it seems like lightdm is not quite ready. Can we get with Robert Ancell on it and see what is happening? | 19:41 |
charlie-tca | Who wants to follow that up? | 19:42 |
charlie-tca | [ACTION] Find out more information about LightDM | 19:43 |
MootBot | ACTION received: Find out more information about LightDM | 19:43 |
charlie-tca | anything else on this subject? | 19:43 |
knome | charlie-tca, maybe consider also asking xfce devs | 19:43 |
knome | they could know something about that... | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | I like that idea, too | 19:44 |
mr_pouit | Robert Ancell sent a mail to xfce4-dev a few weeks ago iirc | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | [ACTION] follow up with xfce devs on display managers | 19:44 |
MootBot | ACTION received: follow up with xfce devs on display managers | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | I will try to research it, then | 19:45 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Continue working with the new Governance structure | 19:45 |
MootBot | New Topic: Continue working with the new Governance structure | 19:45 |
charlie-tca | yes, this is on-going. | 19:45 |
charlie-tca | We are going to have to set up a vote of some kind to formalize a project lead so we can set up a governing council | 19:46 |
charlie-tca | Does that make sense? | 19:46 |
charlie-tca | suggestions for doing that? | 19:46 |
vinnl | How are the nominees going to be decided? | 19:46 |
knome | charlie-tca, the thread about lightdm @xfce4-dev ml: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html | 19:47 |
charlie-tca | At this point, I am an interim Project Lead. We can ask for monimees through the mailing list again, and give a time frame for submissions, like about two weeks | 19:47 |
charlie-tca | Thanks, knome | 19:47 |
charlie-tca | [LINK] http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html | 19:48 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html | 19:48 |
charlie-tca | two weeks appears to be the accepted time for submissions, doesn't it? | 19:48 |
vinnl | I suppose it's long enough | 19:48 |
charlie-tca | then we can ask for votes, either in a meeting like this, through the mailing list, throught the community council | 19:49 |
charlie-tca | I just think we need to do something | 19:50 |
charlie-tca | I also plan on a meeting every two weeks at this time, to keep everyone up to date on what is happening in Xubuntu | 19:50 |
charlie-tca | any suggestions on how to select the project lead? | 19:51 |
vinnl | Do you think attendance will be high enough with such frequent meetings? | 19:51 |
knome | just see if any volunteers step up frist | 19:51 |
knome | *first | 19:51 |
JanC | BTW: the LightDM -gnome greeter is actually a Gtk greeter | 19:51 |
knome | agreed with vinnl - once per two weeks is a bit too much | 19:51 |
mhall119 | edubuntu does weekly meetings, I'm sure xubuntu can bring in at least as many people | 19:52 |
charlie-tca | How high does attendance need to be? If we get the team leads to give updates, that is a good meeting for updating everyone | 19:52 |
knome | would have been too much even when we had a more active community | 19:52 |
charlie-tca | um, you won't generate interest without creating something | 19:52 |
vinnl | mhall119, how many does Edubuntu bring? | 19:52 |
vinnl | Agreed | 19:52 |
charlie-tca | we have tried without any meetings, and it falls way short | 19:52 |
mhall119 | vinnl: usuallly only a few | 19:52 |
mhall119 | but it's good to keep in touch and everyone up to date | 19:53 |
vinnl | Yeah zero meetings is too few I suppose :P | 19:53 |
charlie-tca | We get about 10 in QA, less in bugsqad meetings. | 19:53 |
charlie-tca | Accessibility has what, about 5 or 6 regulars at the meetings? | 19:53 |
vinnl | Then I suppose Xubuntu would be able to pull it off as well. Still, that's a lot of meetings during the cycle. Perhaps one in three weeks would be better? | 19:53 |
highvoltage | even when there's only 1 or 2 people present at an edubuntu meeting I find it useful for making sure that at least *someone* knows what's been happeneing the last week :) | 19:54 |
vinnl | Hmm yeah, sounds reasonable | 19:54 |
vinnl | Would be very useful for the project lead at least, I suppose | 19:54 |
charlie-tca | I figured two weeks at first, then if we want to, go to monthly. It is easier with regular schedules of 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, etc | 19:54 |
vinnl | So if the project lead is willing to be there once every two weeks, I suppose it's fine | 19:55 |
mhall119 | weekly meetings are easy to remember | 19:55 |
charlie-tca | I am thinking of every two weeks, on Thursday, 19:00 UTC | 19:55 |
mhall119 | no "is this a meeting week or not' | 19:55 |
mhall119 | if it's wednesday, I know there's an edubuntu meeting | 19:55 |
charlie-tca | mhall119: you make a really good point | 19:56 |
charlie-tca | I have enough people here, maybe. should we vote? | 19:56 |
mhall119 | some edubuntu meetings don't last very long, but it's good to have them so regularly | 19:56 |
charlie-tca | We could have two votes, I guess. one for weekly and one for two weeks apart. a yes vote is marked by +1, a no vote is -1 | 19:57 |
charlie-tca | everyone is allowed to vote | 19:57 |
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charlie-tca | [VOTE] for weekly meeting | 19:58 |
MootBot | Please vote on: for weekly meeting. | 19:58 |
MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 19:58 |
MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 19:58 |
vinnl | +1 | 19:58 |
MootBot | +1 received from vinnl. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 19:58 |
mhall119 | +1 | 19:58 |
MootBot | +1 received from mhall119. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 19:58 |
mr_pouit | +1 | 19:58 |
MootBot | +1 received from mr_pouit. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 19:58 |
beardygnome | +0 | 19:58 |
MootBot | Abstention received from beardygnome. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 19:58 |
charlie-tca | -1 | 19:58 |
MootBot | -1 received from charlie-tca. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 19:58 |
knome | -1 | 19:58 |
MootBot | -1 received from knome. 3 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 19:58 |
charlie-tca | Any other votes? | 19:59 |
charlie-tca | [ENDVOTE] | 19:59 |
MootBot | Final result is 3 for, 2 against. 1 abstained. Total: 1 | 19:59 |
charlie-tca | Now what do I do? should we vote for two weeks too? | 20:00 |
beardygnome | yes | 20:00 |
knome | vote for one month | 20:00 |
charlie-tca | [VOTE] for meetings every two weeks | 20:00 |
MootBot | Please vote on: for meetings every two weeks. | 20:00 |
MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 20:00 |
MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:00 |
charlie-tca | +1 | 20:00 |
MootBot | +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 20:00 |
beardygnome | +1 | 20:00 |
MootBot | +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:00 |
mr_pouit | +0 | 20:01 |
MootBot | Abstention received from mr_pouit. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:01 |
vinnl | +0 | 20:02 |
MootBot | Abstention received from vinnl. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:02 |
mhall119 | +0 | 20:02 |
MootBot | Abstention received from mhall119. 2 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:02 |
charlie-tca | [ENDVOTE] | 20:02 |
MootBot | Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 2 | 20:02 |
charlie-tca | I am not sure that did any good. If we have meetings every week, we get more attendance, it looks like. | 20:03 |
charlie-tca | Some people will make every other meeting, which is great! | 20:03 |
charlie-tca | I think the second vote was pointless. plan on meeting every week | 20:03 |
beardygnome | charlie-tca: if you're happy to run the meeting every week then go with every week | 20:04 |
charlie-tca | [AGREED] Xubuntu community meetings will be held every week on Thursday at 19:00 UTC | 20:04 |
MootBot | AGREED received: Xubuntu community meetings will be held every week on Thursday at 19:00 UTC | 20:04 |
highvoltage | if weekly meetings doesn't work you can always fall back on not doing them :) | 20:04 |
charlie-tca | If I miss a week, someone else should feel free to chair | 20:05 |
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charlie-tca | And now, | 20:05 |
vinnl | I'm not sure if that's going to happen :P | 20:05 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Any other business | 20:05 |
MootBot | New Topic: Any other business | 20:05 |
charlie-tca | going, | 20:06 |
mhall119 | is Xubuntu going to automatically benefit from the work being done to reduce the size of the Ubuntu ISO? | 20:06 |
charlie-tca | Not necessarily. It depends on what they do | 20:06 |
charlie-tca | When they cut gimp, it did not help us | 20:06 |
charlie-tca | going, | 20:07 |
mhall119 | they're dropping perl deps | 20:07 |
mhall119 | and re-building packages to be smaller | 20:07 |
mhall119 | optimizing images | 20:07 |
mhall119 | etc | 20:07 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit: that should help, right? | 20:07 |
mhall119 | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint | 20:07 |
mr_pouit | yeah, for the ones that are done automatically (png optimization) | 20:08 |
charlie-tca | [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint | 20:08 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint | 20:08 |
mr_pouit | (and also removal of packages' changelogs) | 20:08 |
charlie-tca | I want to thank all of you for attending. Let's continue next week! :-) | 20:09 |
charlie-tca | mhall119: does that work? | 20:09 |
mhall119 | same day/time? | 20:09 |
mhall119 | charlie-tca: does what work? | 20:09 |
charlie-tca | the answer from mr_pouit | 20:09 |
mhall119 | oh, yeah, thanks | 20:09 |
charlie-tca | Next meeting Thursday 19:00 UTC | 20:10 |
charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 20:10 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 14:10. | 20:10 |
mhall119 | I'll be bugging you guys a lot more in the next 5 months, for sure | 20:10 |
charlie-tca | Works for us | 20:10 |
mhall119 | should I hang out in #xubuntu or #xubuntu-devel? | 20:10 |
vinnl | Thanks for chairing charlie-tca | 20:10 |
beardygnome | thankc charlie-tca | 20:11 |
charlie-tca | mhall119: #xubuntu-devel | 20:11 |
beardygnome | *thanks | 20:11 |
mr_pouit | mhall119: -devel if it's for development related questions :P | 20:11 |
mhall119 | ok, thanks | 20:11 |
charlie-tca | You are welcome. | 20:11 |
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