[05:50] <micahg> hi nxvl
[05:50] <nxvl> hello
[05:50] <micahg> I forget what I'm supposed to do with bugs with oem versions
[05:50] <micahg> s/with/for
[05:51] <nxvl> the only change in those packages is branding stuff
[05:51] <nxvl> if the issue is not in the branding stuff is a firefox/package issue
[05:51] <nxvl> so treath it as a normal bug
[05:51] <micahg> nxvl: right, but I don't know what version they have in their repo
[05:51] <nxvl> as in, we changed 'A Web Browser' for 'Web Browser'
[05:51] <nxvl> that's basically the only delta
[05:52] <nxvl> what's the bug number?
[05:52]  * micahg can't find it right now due to the computer doing too much (I need that kernel patch applies :))
[05:53] <nxvl> ok, from now on, we can do this: please subscribe to the bug with the questions you have i will comment with the oem-specific info you need an everyone happy
[05:53] <nxvl> :D
[05:53] <nxvl> sounds good?
[05:54] <micahg> nxvl: subscribe you?
[05:54] <nxvl> yup
[05:54] <nxvl> so i get it in my bugmail and can take a look
[05:54] <micahg> nxvl: ok, sounds good, I thought I remembered a project that a task should be added for
[05:54] <micahg> like we do with translations
[05:55] <nxvl> i don't know about such project, but i can figure out in the morning (it's about 1 am here)
[05:55] <micahg> nxvl: oh, ok, I'm an hour behind you :)
[05:56] <nxvl> will check with you tomorrow then
[05:56] <nxvl> :D
[05:56] <nxvl> have a good night
[05:56] <micahg> nxvl: thanks, you too
[13:29] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hi! so I'm thinking you probably know that when I upgraded to ff4 this morning that various languages and the ubufox had to be disabled?
[13:29] <jdstrand> heh 'the ubufox'
[13:29] <jdstrand> the ubufox extension
[13:36] <Dimmuxx> Is it just me or is flash more or less broken in daily 4.0 builds? Some movies doesn't start to play when you press play for example
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, we don't have new language packs yet, and i'm still waiting for asac to review my ubufox changes :)
[14:37] <Dimmuxx> can somebody on 4.0 daily test this movie and see if it starts to play or not http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/multi-touch-in-ubuntu-using-kinect-video-ppa/
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, plays fine here
[14:42] <Dimmuxx> chrisccoulson: 64bit with 64bit flash?
[14:43] <jdstrand_> chrisccoulson: so, entering text into a textbox on ff4 is slow (eg, moin wiki). have you noticed this?
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, yes
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i haven't noticed that before
[14:44] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: try entering something like this, typing by hand:
[14:44] <jdstrand> [14:44] <jdstrand>  * here is some stuff:{{{
[14:44] <jdstrand> blah
[14:44] <jdstrand> blah
[14:44] <jdstrand> }}}
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it's working ok here
[14:45] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: especially after hitting return, but it is like I can type faster than firefox can handle it, and I shouldn't be that fast
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, hang on, i should try the b7 build
[14:45] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: this is whatever is in natty proper
[14:45] <Dimmuxx> chrisccoulson: okay, I wonder what's up with my profile then
[14:46]  * jdstrand wonders if is is spell checking and if it has something to do with the disabled language packs
[14:46]  * eagles0513875 waves to jstrand
[14:46] <jdstrand> hey eagles0513875 :)
[14:46] <eagles0513875> can i ask you a thunderbird in general questino
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it's working ok here in the natty build too. do you have spellchecking on then?
[14:47] <eagles0513875> actually you mind if i pm you jdstrand cuz its a bit os offtopic
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> oh, i have spellchecking on here
[14:47] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I don't think I ever did that explicitly, but it certainly was on at one point
[14:47] <Dimmuxx> It doesn't work on my 32bit netbook either so probably some extension that is causing it
[14:48] <jdstrand> eagles0513875: well, you can, but I am not really a thunderbird specialist. I don't even use it for my own email
[14:48] <eagles0513875> i know gnomefreak does but hes not around ill ask in mozilla no worries m8 :)
[14:50] <Dimmuxx> it seems noscript is the problem
[14:53] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I do have spell checking on, but it makes no difference if I disable it
[14:58] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson, jdstrand, micahg: thanks for firefox 4.0!
[14:59]  * jdstrand points to chrisccoulson and micahg 
[15:51] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: oh, all my scroll wheel doesn't work in firefox 4.0, but it does in other applications. I don't recall if this worked in 3.6.12 in natty, but I can say I noticed it today after upgrading to 4.0
[15:51] <jdstrand> s/all/and/
[15:51] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, hmmm, that works here :/
[15:52] <jdstrand> it isn't an exotic mouse. usb logitech
[15:52] <jdstrand> oh wait, I may be a doofus
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just use a usb logitech as well. that's strange
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[15:53] <jdstrand> ok, it mostly works
[15:53] <jdstrand> if ff has focus it works, if not it doesn't
[15:54] <jdstrand> evolution (for example) just needs mouse over to work
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, all applications need focus, else they won't receive the events from X
[15:54] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: can you confirm that? ^
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> do you have "focus follows mouse"?
[15:54] <jdstrand> no
[15:55] <jdstrand> just a regular ubuntu desktop
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> that's odd. that shouldn't work for evolution then, unless the window manager is giving it focus
[15:55] <jdstrand> I'm telling you, evo is behind ff right no and if I mouse over the part I can see, I can use the scroll wheel
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> that should only be possible with focus-follows-mouse enabled :/
[15:56] <jdstrand> I'm pretty sure this worked before... I can try maverick vm
[15:56] <jdstrand> works in tomboy too
[15:57] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I am not saying that evo or tomboy have focus, just that they are receiving the mouse scroll wheel input
[15:57] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ie, evo and tomboy aren't brought into focus or anything. maybe it is a compiz thing...
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds odd. they shouldn't be able to get events if they don't have focus
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> that's bad ;)
[15:58] <jdstrand> I think you mean 'convenient'
[15:58] <chrisccoulson> that means something else could get events if, say, gksu has focus ;)
[15:58] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: this is how it is in lucid
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> oh, i see now
[15:59] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: eg, start a lucid vm, start ff and go to www.mozilla.org. start gedit. make sure gedit has the focus. put mouse over firefox and move scroll wheel
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> ok, applications need focus to reveive keyboard events ;)
[15:59] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yes, definitely
[16:00] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so the above works with 3.6 but not 4.0
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that still works here though (i just changed my WM settings back to default)
[16:01] <jdstrand> I only use 'normal desktop effects' or whatever it is called
[16:01] <jdstrand> I'll try in a guest session
[16:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: heh, well, firefox won't start ina guest session
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> oh, that's not good. do you get any console output?
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> (that might be due to the profile migrator, which will run on the first time, to see if there are any other profiles laying around)
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> which would be my fault if that crashes ;)
[16:04] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: there was a traceback having to do with the profile migrator
[16:05] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: something about not finding /tmp/guest-home.AE63uP/.mozilla
[16:05] <jdstrand> (python traceback)
[16:07] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/533901/
[16:09] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so if I create that directory, I can launch firefox
[16:10] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: also, in the guest session the mouseover scroll wheel works, but I noticed that the guest session uses metacity, not compiz
[16:10] <jdstrand> (I use compiz)
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, oh, that's a bit of an oversight on my part (the profile migrator failing if ~/.mozilla doesn't exist)
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'll fix that one later
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> so, it sounds like your problem is more likely to be a WM issue ;)
[16:37] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yeah, I went to non-compiz, removed my ~/.compiz folder, upgraded to compiz...ubuntu3 then reenabled desktop effects and it is working
[16:37] <jdstrand> go figure
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, that's ok then :)
[17:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: that said, I still see the problems with the slow textarea in moin. I noticed that the textarea is only slow if the page is very large
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> i'll fix the non-starting issue later and do another upload
[17:34] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: eg, a page with 1600 lines of text is very slow when you press 'Enter' at the top of the textarea
[17:34] <jdstrand> s/page/textarea/
[17:34] <jdstrand> so it may be related in how ff4 updates the textarea
[17:35] <jdstrand> during editing
[17:40] <gnomefreak> xul192 xul20 are still broken in Natty
[17:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[17:46] <gnomefreak> 1.9.2.13~hg20101108r34732+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2 isnt installing but the PPA sasys 1.9.2.13~hg20101117r34750+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 built
[17:46] <gnomefreak> s/sasys/says
[17:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: can you purge the old xulrunner packages?
[17:48] <gnomefreak> im guessing the new version hasnt hit archives
[17:49] <gnomefreak> micahg: you mean sudo apt-get remove --purge xulrunner-1.9.2
[17:50] <gnomefreak> xulrunner-1.9.2: Installed: 1.9.2.13~hg20101108r34732+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2 Candidate: 1.9.2.13~hg20101108r34732+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2
[17:50] <gnomefreak> that is the output of policy after running apt-get update
[17:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: so xul192 still FTBFS
[17:50] <micahg> but xul20 should work
[17:51] <gnomefreak> it built from what the PPA page says
[17:52] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa  says 1.9.2.13~hg20101117r34750+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 is built
[17:52] <gnomefreak> 12 hours ago
[17:53] <micahg> huh?
[17:53] <micahg> that's not what I see
[17:54] <gnomefreak> 2.0 still fails to configure
[17:55] <gnomefreak> xulrunner-1.9.2 1.9.2.13~hg20101117r34750+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1Fabien Tassin (12 hours ago)
[17:55] <gnomefreak> that is c+p from daily PPA
[17:58] <gnomefreak> policy isnt showing the current built versions from PPA. maybe 12 hours isnt enough time?
[18:04] <gnomefreak> ill be back. im going to start the updates and just ^C when it gets to xul* than i guess --configure to get the other packages
[18:07] <gnomefreak> policy isnt showing thunderbird-2.1.7 but its built on PPA site from  2010-11-17 this is weird
[18:07] <gnomefreak> but lets see what happens
[18:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: I show both those builds failing
[18:08] <gnomefreak> i see 2.0 failed and ff4.0 failed
[18:08] <gnomefreak> looking at the right hand side of page
[18:11] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need a smoke
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> is tabs on top default in b7?
[19:32] <Al_5> "The beta also brings the Firefox 4 theming overhaul to Linux, including the new tab position above the address bar." < ars technica
[19:33] <Al_5> on beta 7
[19:34] <Al_5> chrisccoulson:  "Tabs are now on top by default on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux" https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b7/releasenotes/
[19:36] <chrisccoulson> Al_5, thanks. i wasn't sure, because I put them on top myself ages ago, and I didn't want to start a new profile ;)
[19:36] <Al_5> :)
[21:29] <debfx> chrisccoulson: should I open a new merge request against the 4.0 or trunk branch?
[22:00]  * [reed] grumbles at ubuntu's slowness
[22:04] <micahg> debfx: trunk please, needs daily testing
[22:04] <micahg> [reed]: what's wrong?
[22:05] <[reed]> micahg: bug 650539 has made my maverick upgrade unbearable
[22:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650539 in xorg (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 6 other projects) "Launching QT apps under Xinerama crashes Xorg : affects SpeedCrunch, KeePassX, Lucky Backup, Pencil, Stellarium, Skype, Google Earth, VLC, Konqueror, VirtualBox, Opera ... (affects: 82) (dups: 9) (heat: 492)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650539
[22:06] <micahg> [reed]: looks like there is a fix for it
[22:06] <[reed]> yes
[22:06] <[reed]> I'm rebuilding xorg now
[22:06] <[reed]> archlinux found the problem 3+ weeks ago
[22:07] <[reed]> and upstream has committed the fix as well
[22:08] <micahg> [reed]: well, idk what needs to be done as far as xorg update testing
[22:08] <[reed]> I found RAOF in #ubuntu-devel
[22:08] <[reed]> poking him about it now
[22:09] <micahg> ok
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> grrr, my cats are so stupid
[22:14] <Al_5> lol
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if my gf would notice if i just got rid of them ;)
[22:15] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: hey
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> hi mdeslaur!
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, want 2 cats? ;)
[22:16] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: you think they're stupid because you don't understand them :)
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> lol
[22:16] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: I already have two, thanks :P
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> i used to like them until my daughter was born
[22:16] <mdeslaur> oh, yeah
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> and now they just annoy me ;)
[23:32] <fta> chrisccoulson, do you know if the load issue has already been reported?
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - load issue?
[23:33] <fta> chrisccoulson, the unexpected load issue we talked about a few days afo
[23:33] <fta> ago
[23:33] <fta> with 0% cpu
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> ah, i remember now :)
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> i don't think that's been reported, but i'm not too sure
[23:34] <fta> there are new kernels almost everyday, but their changelogs suck
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> ooh, my loadavg is 1.41 ;)
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i never try to follow kernel changes ;)
[23:35]  * micahg had a load >10 last night :-/
[23:35] <fta> yeah, mine is ~1 too, it makes mplayer & pulse glitch
[23:37] <fta> that's far from http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1