[01:15] <cwillu> the !wubi support link is dead
[01:15] <cwillu> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer/support.php
[01:16] <cwillu> er, http://wubi-installer.org/support.php redirects to http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer, which is a 404
[01:25] <h00k> oh lord. -offtopic is going to be a handful tonight
[01:26] <elky> bring out the kitteh pictures
[01:26] <h00k> yeah :)
[01:27] <h00k> I have to be in my LoCo channel in 1/2 hour, so I won't be able to watch it as closely
[08:00] <othello> fuck you
[08:00] <othello> KAGAMI...
[08:00] <othello> KAGAMI...
[08:00] <othello> HOW DARE YOU KILL US
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> that was odd
[08:01] <ikonia> this is the same guy that was going to hack us
[08:01] <ikonia> I'll change the forward to a ban if it happens again
[14:44] <IdleOne> When do we find out who the new ops are going to be in the various channels?
[14:45] <Pici> IdleOne: Next week.
[14:45] <IdleOne> thank you
[14:45] <IdleOne> Good morning btw :)
[14:45] <Pici> IdleOne: The deadline for current ops to voice their opinions on all the candidates is Sunday night.
[14:45] <IdleOne> sounds good
[17:04] <ikonia> people talk such utter rubbish "fedora is better than ubuntu for raid"
[17:05] <Pici> Is that person even addressing anyone?
[17:06] <ikonia> yes
[17:15] <ikonia> nice one Pici
[17:16] <Pici> Kicking a webchat user will automagically ban their real host.
[17:16] <ikonia> I've still not got into that habbit
[17:16] <ikonia> FYI: I'm also still not happy with the floodbots open proxy banning, it's doing a fair amount of false positives
[17:16] <Pici> I'm still working on the floodbot guide for ops.
[17:16] <Pici> ikonia: I'm not either.
[17:17] <ikonia> I did know what you said, it's just my bad habbit - not your fault
[17:17] <ikonia> no guide would have saved me
[17:17] <Pici> I know.
[17:18] <Pici> I probably learn perl again for just long enough to work on a redirect url script.
[17:20] <ikonia> ha
[17:37] <gnomefreak> n/win 3
[17:58] <popey> n/lose 1
[17:59] <gnomefreak> :)
[21:14] <guntbert> hi, I want to voice a concern about (sometimes) disappointing user experience in #ubuntu-server
[21:19] <tonyyarusso> guntbert: If it's relatively short, voice away.  If you have a fairly detailed explanation, it could be more useful to send it to the ubuntu-irc mailing list.
[21:20] <guntbert> tonyyarusso: just shortly to collect my thoughts: every now and then there is a user asking for help and two or three experts chat away about some kernel feature...-- they often totally ignore the user
[21:21] <guntbert> I know the topic of #ubuntu-server is special  "discussion and support" so that might lead to those situations
[21:22] <tonyyarusso> guntbert: So in short, you'd like to see it fulfill the support aspect better, yes?
[21:23] <guntbert> tonyyarusso: yes that seems to cover it ... well I think the discussion must happen somewhere and we don't want to spread forces too thin....
[21:24] <Tm_Tr> I see it reasonable to even just ask the one in need of help to wait a moment to get help or such, total ignoring is rude
[21:24] <Tm_Tr> assuming it's relatively quiet channel
[21:25] <tonyyarusso> it usually is pretty quiet, yeah
[21:25] <guntbert> Tm_Tr: it is most of the time
[21:26] <guntbert> but I have no idea how to accomplish this - my first thought was to switch places for "discussion" and "support" in the topic but that seems .... moot?
[21:27] <tonyyarusso> guntbert: Usually this sort of thing is done by "lead by example".  In other words, offer support frequently yourself and try to get it to catch on that way.
[21:29] <guntbert> tonyyarusso: would be great if I was able to do so, but the field in #ubuntu-server is somewhat wider than my field of experience ... but you have a very good point there, sometimes I do the same thing in #ubuntu too
[21:31] <Tm_Tr> guntbert: just giving some attempt to help usually draw others more capable into it
[21:33] <guntbert> Tm_Tr: thats true - thank you both for listening and your input - I'm gonna let it lie (with some positive attempts from me) for a while, maybe I send it to the mailing list later
[21:33] <topyli> i would do this on the mailing list
[21:34] <topyli> well, i would do more on the mailing list anyway :)
[21:34] <guntbert> topyli: taken into account :-)
[21:34] <topyli> this channel is real time and people are not. darn foreigners, living in weird timezones!
[21:34] <topyli> mail is better if you want to voice a concern
[21:35] <guntbert> good point! (btw its 22:30 here :-)
[21:36] <topyli> well i'm only one hour further, but there are people even more unfortunate :)
[21:37] <guntbert> ah, the man from the north is speaking :-)
[21:38] <guntbert> and now I'm off - enough idle chatter in the ops channel - thx to you all
[21:38] <topyli> it happens!
[21:42] <topyli> i think Tm_Tr is right though, ignoring newbies is just about the worst approach
[21:43] <topyli> (and guntbert)
[21:44] <Tm_Tr> it is, especially when it's relatively quiet support channel
[21:45] <Tm_Tr> I tend to slap people when they keep chitchat when someone asks support question in our loco channels
[21:46] <topyli> yeah well our channels are slow enough that we sometimes forget which is support and which is -ot
[21:46] <Tm_Tr> indeed
[21:46] <topyli> slapping is needed :)
[21:46]  * Tm_Tr slaps topyli and then huggles him tightly
[21:47]  * topyli tickles
[21:47]  * Tm_Tr hides
[22:50] <ikonia> I'll try to make a point of being more active in #ubuntu-server I understand the concerns earlier
[22:51] <ikonia> why are the #ubuntu-uds channels still open ?
[23:03] <ikonia> IRCAnswersBot [~IRCAnswer@207-126-122-147.ip.openhosting.com]
[23:03] <ikonia> tons of ubuntu channels ?
[23:08] <IdleOne> ikonia: Brother has pretty  decent printer/scanner support, not all of the models have linux drivers but the brother website does have a good bit of information on models and instructions to install the drivers.
[23:09] <ikonia> IdleOne: tell him
[23:09] <ikonia> I find they suck
[23:09] <IdleOne> well, yeah they do.
[23:09] <IdleOne> but still better then Canon for example
[23:09] <ikonia> agreed....barely
[23:44] <ikonia> that's getting annoying
[23:53] <ikonia> is unitedpotsmokers acceptable as a nick in #ubuntu
[23:54] <topyli> ikonia: no
[23:54] <ikonia> I have asked him to change it in pm
[23:54] <ikonia> giving chance to respond
[23:54] <elky> he's been asked before
[23:54] <elky> and stormed off iirc
[23:55] <topyli> if we have the policy we do, it extends to nicks and quit messages and such