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h00koh hello there.01:10
h00kDid Iseriously screw up the date?01:10
spikebyes01:10
spikebin the topic01:10
h00kI don't know why this is such a challenge01:11
spikebhaha01:11
h00kYeah...01:13
h00kwhat is wrong with me01:13
twopoint718calenderically challenged?01:14
=== h00k changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-wi to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo! | Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WisconsinTeam | Forum: http://wisconsinloco.ubuntuforums.org/ | Mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wi | Meeting: Wednesday Nov 17 8:00pm Right Here!
h00kI've never heard it be put that way, but apparently01:14
twopoint718... it's a thing.01:14
twopoint718(I think I am too)01:14
h00kI'm not that terrible with dates or times normally, but I make myself look like a fool here.01:15
spikebhaha01:15
spikebi'm terrible with it usually01:18
h00kand I just am with, you know, the *entire* state.01:20
h00koh well.01:20
h00kHey, 5 minutes.01:55
spikebi can hear the clock ticking01:56
h00ktimtierney ran away.01:57
spikebcan you blame him? there's a meeting coming!01:58
h00kyeah, they're pretty high-stress01:58
h00kexigraff, jrolland-ubuntu, jrolland-kubuntu, lostson, nickmoeck, ripps, sgtd, spikeb, twopoint718, uberushaximus: Anyone around for the meeting start?02:00
h00kbraxtonschafer: you too!02:00
spikebI am!02:01
h00kWhooo!02:01
exigraffwoooooo02:01
h00kcool.02:01
exigrafflove these high-stress meetings02:01
exigraffmakes me feel /alive/02:01
h00kThree! douglasswi said he might make it, might not02:01
braxtonschaferI'm here!  First meeting, whoo!02:01
exigraffyusss02:02
h00kbraxtonschafer: welcome!02:02
h00kbraxtonschafer: I hope you prepared your required 30 minute speech and demonstration02:02
braxtonschaferOh no!  *facepalm*  I guess I'll have to improvise.02:02
h00kCool, we'll officially start. braxtonschafer, since you're newer to the channel/meeting, tell us about yourself02:03
exigrafffor 30 minutes.02:03
spikebplease.02:03
spikebwe have nothing better.02:04
* h00k coughs02:04
braxtonschaferOkay, well, I'm a high school student, and I've been an Ubuntu user since 6.10...and a Linux user my whole life.02:04
spikebawesome!02:04
braxtonschaferAnd trust me, you do NOT want me to talk for the whole half an hour!02:04
h00kbraxtonschafer: where abouts in the state are you from? n/s/w/e?02:04
braxtonschafersw.02:04
h00kCool, welcome.02:04
spikebdarn it, why is nobody up here by me?02:04
h00kspikeb: :( You next.02:05
spikebi already introduced myself last meeting.02:05
h00kspikeb: again, again! braxtonschafer doesn't know you02:05
spikebhaha02:05
spikebhi! I'm spikeb, a linux user since 1997, been with ubuntu since the beginning. i live in the northwest, a bit south of SUperior02:05
braxtonschaferHi spikeb!  It's a pleasure!02:06
spikebhi braxtonschafer :)02:06
h00kexigraff: obligitory 45 minute explination of your nickname.02:06
h00kalternatively, introduce yourself :)02:06
h00kspikeb: also, welcome again02:06
spikebthanks h00k02:06
exigraffexigraff comes from a combination of the Greek word for "six", and... yeah, I have no idea02:08
sgtd<- a linux user since ~1998 (Red Hat 5.2 at the time)  i live in Appleton, WI02:08
h00ksgtd: Hey there :)02:08
sgtdohai02:08
spikebsgtd, you started with RH too? cool.02:08
* sgtd waves to braxtonschafer02:08
h00ksgtd: Next time I'm in Appleton for training, we'll have to meet up02:08
sgtdh00k: sounds good.02:08
spikebmy dad used to get training in appleton. popular place for it, seems.02:09
lostsonis it 8pm yet ?02:09
h00kYeah, we use MasterLink training02:09
spikebyes lostson02:09
h00klostson, hey there.02:09
lostsonok02:09
lostsonhey yall02:09
h00kwe're doing intros02:09
h00kwe're waiting for exigraff02:09
* h00k pokes02:09
exigraffow. I'm exigraff, I've been toying with linux since... 2004ish, and Ubuntu since whenever h00k found it. I'm right in the middle of Superior, at the moment.02:10
spikebcool, somebody up by me!02:10
exigraffit's the place to be02:10
exigraffroaring metropolis02:10
spikebheh02:10
h00kI'm h00k (Anthony), I was in Superior, currently in Rhinelander, I've been using Linux since...yeah, about 2003/4, stuck with Ubuntu because I like the community. Organized a release party in Superior and one in Madison, like meeting people, often screw up dates/times in emails and channel /topics.02:11
h00klostson: how about yourself?02:12
h00kalso, timtierney, are you around?02:12
lostsoni'm lostson linux user since RH 7.0 the haloween edition im in appleton area used every distro under the sun pretty much02:12
timtierneyYeah.  I'm Tim.  Been using Linux for about five years now.  I live doing college in Milwaukee.  Lately I've been doing Open-Source web design for small businesses.02:13
spikebcool timtierney02:13
* h00k drones, "Hi, Tim."02:13
timtierneyHere's my Ubuntu wiki02:14
timtierneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimTierney02:14
sgtdthe <click> there was palpable02:14
exigraffaw. timtierney won, no one else had sources.02:14
h00kgood call. Here's me: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyHook02:14
h00ktimtierney++;02:14
h00kDid we miss anyone?02:15
spikebis it my turn again or are we still in the same meeting02:15
exigraffif you have any alternate personalities, now is the time to introduce them.02:15
h00kspikeb: whacha got02:15
spikebnothing02:15
spikebjust introducing myself :)02:15
h00kexigraff: how about telling us about your progress on the domain?02:16
exigraffah yeah02:16
lostsoninteresting wiki pages02:16
exigraffso we have this site, http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/02:16
h00klostson: I'm probably not too excited02:16
h00ks/excited/exciting02:16
exigrafflostson: feel free to make your own, as well!02:16
lostsondidnt know you could do that02:17
exigraffwell, if /h00k/ was permitted to do that, I'm pretty sure anyone can02:17
h00klostson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/lostson If you'd like02:17
lostsonyeah im sure just didnt know you could is all02:17
exigraff;)02:17
spikebI suppose I could put up a page too and then never edit it.02:17
h00kI tend to forget about mine from time-to-time...02:18
lostsoni got enough just keeping up with me blog02:18
* exigraff sells ad space in his to white-label hosting resellers02:18
h00khigh-traffic as it is.02:19
exigraffand speaking of blogs, ubuntu-wisconsin.org now has functional feed aggregation for our members02:19
exigraffhttp://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/c/syndicated/02:19
exigraffall y'all are eligible to be featured here, provided you have some kind of valid feed in a format that you haven't invented02:19
spikebso we have to host the blog somewhere else02:19
h00kspikeb: an interesting idea.02:20
h00ker, a not-remotely-hosted blog02:20
exigraffwe could hook you up with an account on the site, sure, or you could create your own at wordpress.com, tumblr.com, or any number of other spots02:20
exigraffwhatever's easiest for /you/02:20
* exigraff bows obsequiously02:20
lostsoni have had mine for years02:21
h00k^ customer service at its finest!02:21
exigrafflostson, are you interested in being aggregated on the site?02:21
exigraffwe pull in posts that are tagged "ubuntu"02:21
h00kbraxtonschafer: do you have anything as far as this?02:21
exigraffand possibly some other tags, I forget02:21
lostsonpossibly02:21
lostsonthere are some things that i write about that would probably not be well received02:22
braxtonschaferi blog on and off, but it might be time to start again soon.02:22
h00kexigraff has volunteered to be our resident web-dude, all is volunteer, and if anyone has ideas or wants to help, please feel free to speak up02:22
exigrafflostson: well, only the ubuntu-related posts are aggregated, if that helps02:22
spikebi think i may start an ubuntu related blog, i'll get in touch via mailing list if i do02:22
lostsonyeah that would help02:23
exigraffbraxtonschafer: there's never been a better time to sell your gold!02:23
exigraffor start a blog02:23
* h00k adjusts exigraff's spam filter02:23
braxtonschaferperfect!  i'll put on my thinking cap and see if i can't come up with some useful content!02:24
exigraffHigh Quality swiss watch's l0kalikes!02:24
h00kSo, we have the blog aggregation going on, similar to planet.ubuntu.com, which aggregates feeds from Ubunutu Members02:24
exigraffthere's a live members list that's half-finished, pulling from the loco's launchpad account02:24
exigraffreminder: if you haven't joined us on launchpad, do so!02:25
h00klocation as seen in the /topic02:25
h00khttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin02:25
h00kSo, what would you guys like to do?02:26
sgtdooo hey!  i like the way that accidental misspelling rolls off the tongue!  "Ubunutu"02:26
h00kMore meetings? Local meetups,02:26
sgtdoo-boo-new-too02:26
h00koh hey, I didn't even notice.02:26
exigraffhttp://ubunutu.com/ :)02:27
h00ksome activity of any sort?02:27
spikebi'd like to talk on in here more. not personally, but to see the channel a bit more lively.02:27
h00kI'd agree02:27
braxtonschaferI like that.  I'm not easily able to get anywhere for physical meetings, but I can certainly be on here.02:27
h00kI *personally* would like to see some more release parties or local activities around people's areas02:27
h00kbraxtonschafer: there are a few of us who idle all of the time02:28
spikebi'd like to meet exigraff and ripps sometime. :)02:28
exigraffbraxtonschafer: he does mean allthetime, too02:28
sgtdmy local lug is doing a talk on MacOSX at tomorrows monthly meeting  :/02:28
spikebsgtd, ouch02:28
sgtdheh02:28
braxtonschaferlug...OSX...it doesn't follow.02:28
h00k!lug02:29
lubotu1Lug's are Linux User Groups. You can find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/02:29
spikebmaybe they're talking about how linux owns it?02:29
exigraffor perhaps it's a cautionary topic02:29
braxtonschaferthat'd be smart!02:29
exigraff"So you know someone on OSX. Now what?"02:29
sgtdif i had time i'd go to it.  macosx from the perspective of linux'ers02:29
spikebsounds interesting, actually02:29
h00kIt would be02:29
sgtdshameless plug -> feel free to edit this wiki if it suits you: http://wisconsinlinux.org02:30
h00kwhat can I/we/anyone do to help get some more activities goin' on?02:30
sgtdit's actually the fault of the map on their that i remembered to swing over to this channel tonight02:31
spikebI haven't a clue. I'll babble more in here to try and help.02:31
h00ksgtd: well, it helped, anyway.02:31
lostsonmost activites are held on saturdays and i work every saturday so im kinda out of that one02:31
exigraffspikeb: the more babbling the better02:31
h00kI need to get a Google Calendar out for that02:31
spikebI read geek-orientated news sites every day, so I usually have /something/ to talk about.02:31
h00kAlso, what do you guys think of more meetings? Or planning some Release Parties for Natty Narwhal?02:32
h00kspikeb: you know, like up there near Superior or something02:32
spikebI would love to attend a release gathering for Natty.02:32
h00kor a few in a bunch of places02:32
spikeband more meetings is fine with me, i have the time.02:32
h00kMadison, Rhinelander, LaCrosse, Appleton, Superior/Duluth02:33
h00kwhat times work well for people?02:33
spikebnight time works better for me, but if given advance notice, can do daytime02:34
h00kDay is usually bad for me, and weekends02:34
exigraffI have a feeling weekday evenings are going to make the most sense all around02:34
spikeb8pm works perfect here.02:34
spikebyeah, i think so too exigraff02:34
* timtierney Heading home. Be back in a few minutes.02:35
h00ktimtierney: drive/walk/ride safe.02:35
* spikeb misses alt-f2 in unity02:35
h00kbraxtonschafer: how about you?02:35
h00kspikeb: Unity is broken for me :(02:35
exigraffspikeb: they didn't include that? :(02:35
h00kspikeb: natty/nvidia02:36
spikebnot in the mutter version exigraff02:36
spikebh00k, ahh ok. im on maverick, using the release version of unity02:36
spikebwhich is pretty bad.02:36
braxtonschaferwell, assuming I can get a way up to Madison, it doesn't matter too much.  Probably a friday evening/saturday, provided I'm not working.02:36
h00kspikeb: yeah...I ran that for a bit, too02:36
spikebUnity is an excellent concept. I am hoping the compiz implementation will be good.02:36
h00kbraxtonschafer: for online meetings, or for meetups/parties?02:36
braxtonschafermeetups/parties.  online meetings work pretty much anytime.02:37
h00kCool.02:37
h00kWell, there's Holidays and things coming up, how about one more meeting before Christmas time?02:38
* spikeb is in02:38
h00kshould we set a date, or should I just pick one out of a hat in a few weeks?02:38
spikebrandom hat picking02:38
h00kcool.02:39
h00kmailing list discussion is always welcome (usually it's me posting about something) on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wi, the channel is always up02:39
h00kin the meantime, if there's anything...pressing, ideas for anything related to the LoCo, please bring them up02:40
h00kwe make this thing happen02:41
* spikeb nods02:41
exigraff*fistpump02:41
h00k</inspirational speech>02:41
spikebhehe02:41
h00kcool. Anyone have anything else to bring up?02:41
h00kwe've determined there's work yet on the site, release parties would kick-pants, and we want to do more things02:43
h00kI can deal with that02:43
spikebhaha sounds good02:43
h00kIf anyone wants to start planning a release party in their area, I'm available if there are any questions02:43
h00kotherwise, feel free to take it and run!02:44
exigraffregarding the site - a good way to get activity flowing within the loco is honestly just to generate content. if you just found a new tool that you didn't know about, or have something to get off your chest about Unity, blog about it!02:44
spikebyes, i think i will start doing that exigraff02:44
h00kOr how much you hope Unity is going to rock (me)02:44
exigraffh00k did a writeup on mtr a few weeks ago, and got some pretty decent reactions from teh internet at large02:44
* spikeb is pro-Unity02:45
h00kEveryone saw it.02:45
h00k*everyone*02:45
exigraffh00k: reminds me, my grandma used mtr to sort out a problem with her vpn adapter02:45
exigraffh00k: kudos02:45
h00kexigraff: serious?02:46
exigraffh00k: :p02:46
exigraffbut in all serious, write stuff. it gets noticed, and helps out the loco as a whole.02:46
exigraff*seriousness02:46
spikebmy mom could probably use mtr heh02:46
h00kI got 483 pageviews02:46
h00khttp://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2010/10/12/mtr-linux-network-diagnostic-tool/02:47
h00kfor reference.02:47
exigraffh00k just wants to jack up that pageview count02:47
lostsonill be posting a blog about unity later this week02:47
h00kYes, by like 4 people!02:47
exigrafflostson: awesome02:47
h00klostson: cool.02:47
lostsongonna rip it a new arse me thinks02:47
exigraffh00k: firing up the LOIC as we speak02:48
exigrafflostson: heh02:48
h00kalthough it's pretty early and rough, there are some cool plans for it anyway02:48
h00k(unity)02:48
* spikeb is a big fan of the /concept/ of unity....implementation sucks thus far02:48
lostsonits a interesting looking idea but its gonna have to make some great strides to be out a standard gnome desktop and it sure isnt there yet02:49
spikebeven the implementation is a million miles ahead of the main alternative (gnome-shell)02:49
lostsonpersonally if im gonna use a shell or something to that effect xmonad or awesome would appeal to me a bit more02:49
braxtonschaferunity sure looks interesting!  but...(don't shoot me!) i'm kinda a KDE user.02:50
spikebbraxtonschafer, hehe02:50
h00kwe had a guy using xmonad at the release party in Superior, I had never seen it before02:50
h00kIt was really interesting02:50
lostsonits alot like a tiling window manager unity and shell just with more polish02:50
spikebh00k, i bet02:50
lostsonxmonad is excellent02:50
* exigraff grabs tar/feathers, backtraces braxtonschafer's ip02:50
h00ktimtierney: welcome home.02:50
spikebi am terribly excited about the future of unity though. it is going to rock.02:50
lostsoni used to use ion3 all the time then the developer went bonkers and killed the project02:50
h00kI sure hope so02:51
lostsonso to xmonad i went02:51
lostsonthat and i like haskell02:51
h00kI've ever used that02:51
lostsonxmonad haskell some good terminal apps and qt only apps and a blazing fast desktop can be had02:52
* spikeb is a usability geek btw, so if anyone has any info on that particular subject or any need for such a thing, ping him02:52
exigraffnoted, thanks02:52
h00kreminds me, I have a little DockStar02:52
exigrafftotally related02:52
sgtdheh02:52
h00khttp://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G02:52
h00kOne of these guys02:52
spikebcool02:52
spikebi got a sheevaplug02:53
h00kI installed Debian on it (Debian has an arm port)02:53
spikebyes, i run debian on my sheeva02:53
spikeb:)02:53
h00kand it is now a server sitting behind the couch02:53
h00kIt's really fricking cool02:53
spikebliterally.02:53
exigraffh00k was geeking out pretty hard...02:53
spikebi wish ubuntu still supported ARMv502:53
h00kMy Dad just talked to his Betta fish and called it a "piggy"02:53
h00kspikeb: me too02:54
spikebbut, there's always debian!02:54
exigraffh00k was geeking out pretty hard...02:54
h00kI have a 1tb drive plugged into it that it's booting from, that's my server/storage, and I have to get mpd to work and it'll be my little music-streaming-server02:54
exigraffer02:54
lostsondebian runs on everything even the kitchen sink02:54
exigraffand, to a lesser extent, Android02:54
spikebcool h00k, i am going to something similar with my plug02:55
h00kspikeb: Cool :D02:55
lostsonanyone do any gaming ?02:56
* spikeb is a former gamer, still very interested in it02:56
exigrafflostson: I'm on xbox live occasionally, not a whole lot of desktop gaming02:56
lostsonlike alien arena open arena nexuiz et ut9902:56
h00kI do, I got the Indie Bundle a few months back02:56
exigraffLugaru!02:56
spikebi quit proprietary games for ethical reasons, heh.02:56
exigraffoh, c'mon, buying Portal is totally ethical. :)02:57
h00k(for the record, I guess the rest of this stuff is not-meeting-related, but feel-free to continue conversation)02:57
lostsoni will never give up ut99 and both rtcw and ET have just been opened completely up so i have some plans02:57
h00kbraxtonschafer: I have to ask, how'd you fin dus?02:57
lostsonim prting the ut99 loki installer to gtk2 currently02:58
h00kI've fone a fair-share of Alien Arena02:58
h00k*done02:58
h00kbraxtonschafer: *find us, rather.02:58
lostsonalot of the old loki installers need to be upped to gtk2 as most distros dont support gtk1 anymore02:58
h00klostson: and you're porting it yourself? Nice02:59
lostsonyeah slowly but surely02:59
braxtonschaferWell, I've been a lurker on the mailing list for a while, and I discovered that from the Ubuntu forums website.02:59
h00klostson: (that's blog-worthy ;))02:59
h00kbraxtonschafer: Cool.02:59
exigraffdefinitely...02:59
exigraffre lostson02:59
lostsonh00k: made some good progress last night but got alot more to go yet02:59
spikeblostson, i applaud your work!02:59
h00kwhich reminds me, I'm writing a wedding-rsvp php ...application? site? system? whatever, using CakePHP, and am going to open-source it03:00
h00kwith the help of exigraff, teh php/webapp dude03:00
lostsoni saw you post that on twitter03:00
* spikeb applauds h00k and exigraff 03:00
h00kbraxtonschafer: Yeah, I'm glad to have you around, if you have any fresh/cool ideas, please feel free to share03:01
h00klostson: :D03:01
exigraffoh, yeah. is there anyone here that I don't have on Twitter? :p03:01
lostsonits a slow and tedious process but it comes along i want to use one of the open source game engines and create a FPS kinda in the style of ut99 fast and fun  havent decided on the engine yet though03:01
braxtonschaferI'll keep my mind open.  I work at a library, so if that's any use at all...03:02
exigrafflostson: I support this - do it!03:02
braxtonschaferexigraff: I'm sure you don't have me...03:02
lostsonas far twitter or identi im lostson on both03:02
exigrafflostson: yep, gotcha. braxtonschafer: what's your account?03:03
h00kI'm anthonyrhook on twitter and identi.ca, anthony.hook3@gmail.com, http://anthonyrhook.com, I like long walks on the beach and the soulfull sounds of...03:03
exigraffU2.03:03
h00kbetter than the Backstreet Boys03:03
h00kthey have some okay songs03:03
exigrafffair enough03:03
h00kI have to be in the right mood.03:03
braxtonschaferI'm bronxasaur on twitter, braxton.schafer@gmail.com and that's about it.03:03
braxtonschaferanybody else here a classic rock person?03:04
lostsonh00k: you like walking through the woods looking for the hodag03:04
h00klostson: YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS03:04
lostsonyes i do spent alot of time up there03:04
h00klostson: Oho, cool.03:04
lostsoneagle river rhinelander area03:04
h00kyep, that's me03:04
h00ks/me/my area/03:05
h00klostson: do you any more?03:05
lostsoni havent been up there in years03:06
lostsoni think im still banned from eagle river03:06
spikebhodags rule03:06
h00kspikeb: and you know what Hodags are, tool. nice.03:06
spikebi am on indenti.ca as well. perhaps we should syndicate that on the site too?03:06
h00kmicroblogging, yeah03:06
spikebh00k, yeah i have family in that area03:06
h00kOh, reminds me, we do have a tag on identica03:07
exigraffspikeb: that was mentioned before, we just haven't quite gotten it done yet...03:07
exigraffheh03:07
spikebahh ok exigraff03:07
spikebi dont think we do h00k03:07
exigraffdo any of you do any web stuffs, by any chance?03:07
h00kspikeb: we do!trying to find the link03:07
lostsonmy office assistant is not letting me at my keyboard03:07
spikebh00k, ok!03:07
h00khttp://identi.ca/group/ubuntuwi03:07
exigraffpython counts03:07
h00ktags: ubuntuuswi ubuntuwisconsin03:07
spikebawesome03:07
lostsoni think i am subscribed to identi ubuntuwi03:08
h00kI should do that more. Maybe my Gwibber won't be broken and that will help me remember03:08
lostsontry qwit for a fast twit identi experience03:08
* spikeb joins the group03:08
h00kwoooo!03:08
lostsonpino was awesome but he hasnt updated it to work wit oauth yet03:09
h00kIt's even 'OFFICIAL'03:09
h00kI tried pino, it was pretty cool when it worked03:09
h00kGwibber needs some love :(03:09
exigraffthough admittedly it's come a long way03:09
spikebits not letting me join03:09
h00kspikeb: wat, what does it tell you?03:10
exigraffspikeb: are you cool enough?03:10
spikeb    Sorry, we could not reach that address. Please make sure that the OStatus address is like nickname@example.com or http://example.net/nickname.03:10
h00k....what03:10
spikebprobably not, exigraff03:10
exigraff:(03:11
spikebgot in03:11
h00kspikeb: okay, I was checking to make sure you wren't blocked or anything03:11
lostsoni prefer identi for linux chats it makes reading the conversations much easier03:11
h00kI agree03:12
lostsonwe could always do a ubuntu-wi statusnet instance that might be kinda cool03:12
h00kWhy the hell didn't I think of that.03:12
h00kSure.03:12
h00kGimme a sec03:12
h00kubuntu-wisconsin.org/status ?03:12
lostsoni wouldnt think the overhead for something like that would be much and i have a ton of parts03:12
lostsonh00k: sure that works03:13
spikeba gnu social instance would be cool as well, once that is actually something03:13
h00kI've never used/heard of that03:13
exigraff>.<03:13
lostsonthe statusnet one just lock it down make it so people cant create any kind of groups or all the spam we see in identi03:14
twopoint718I've used GNU Social a bit, it seemed a bit rough around the edges. But since it's just Status.net under the hood it's actually pretty far along.03:14
spikebright now its just a clone of statusnet, but eventually, it is supposed to be a FOSS facebook deal03:14
h00ktwopoint718: hello!03:14
h00kOh, that Open Source Facebook deal?03:14
twopoint718Yeah, I was lurking.03:14
h00ktwopoint718: anything to add post-meeting?03:15
lostsonim a identi/twitter junkie as my thoughts usually arent that long : )03:15
h00kHah!03:15
lostsonbrb03:15
h00khttp://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/status/03:17
h00kHey look!03:17
spikebsweet03:18
* braxtonschafer applauds!03:18
timtierneyCool.03:18
* spikeb joins03:18
twopoint718h00k: haha, I had my IRC opened and I was going to participate, but then I was wrestling with some javascript and missed it :\03:18
h00ktwopoint718: I almost missed it because I was dinking around with my cron backups03:19
twopoint718reading over the log though, I have to say +1 for tiling window managers in general and xmonad in particular.03:20
lostsonoh sweet time to sign up03:22
lostsontwopoint718: perhaps we could write up a couple of pages on tiling window managers for the loco site03:23
h00kThat'd be cool, I'd like to know more03:23
lostsonthere im registered and in03:24
lostsonhave to hook this up on my droid now too03:24
h00kMe too03:25
h00klostson: do you use Mustard?03:25
spikebditto lostson03:25
lostsoni tried mustard but it doesnt inform you of new messages just replies so i use twidroyd or seesmic both of those are great apps03:25
h00kHoly crap, http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/status has my location pretty close.03:26
lostsonthat was quick h00k kudos!03:28
h00k;)03:28
twopoint718lostson: sure, I'll summon all my knowledge.03:28
twopoint718I'm good for Xmonad and/or dwm03:30
lostsondwm is freakn sweet03:30
h00kI'd like to learn Xmonad someday.03:30
h00kI think I had dwm installed once, but couldn't figure it out03:30
lostsonrat poison awesome wmii all good ones03:31
twopoint718I have a soft spot for software that limits itself by LOC, in this case, less than 2,00003:32
h00kDude, I love string cheese.03:32
twopoint718It's actually fairly full-featured for only 2KLOC03:32
twopoint718The config file for dwm, is just the C header file config.h03:33
lostsonyeah i like tiling wm's but they can be limiting in some ways whereas unity with guake and it needs a good launcher like alt+F2 and really your set03:33
h00kgnome-do!03:33
lostsonnot a big fan of gnome-do03:33
twopoint718I've been using dmenu, which is a pretty good launcher03:33
lostsonthe whole mono thing kinda freaks me out03:33
lostsonyeah dmenu is nice03:33
h00kI've never tried it03:34
twopoint718I'm also a heavy user of mutt for email and irssi for IRC/IM (via bitlbee)03:34
lostsoni think xmonad is slowing down though not much going on development wise lately03:34
twopoint718I can *just* barely eke out a config file for Xmonad, but I think it looks really cool.03:35
lostsonyeah the config file can be a pain it took me awhile to get the syntax down whereas dwm you write it once and your pretty much done03:35
twopoint718And it makes more sense now that I'm half way through Real World Haskell03:35
lostsoni need to get my hands on that book03:36
twopoint718I wanted to re map a lot of keys so that they use the "Windows" key rather than ALt03:36
h00kThere was the guy that attended, I need to find his site again, it'd be interesting to keep in contact03:36
lostsonyeah thats what i do as well03:36
h00kthat had Xmonad in Superior for the release party03:36
twopoint718RWH is really good, but I think for some things Learn You A Haskell has better (for me at least) explanations03:36
* spikeb is quite happy to see the channel rocking03:37
h00ktwopoint718: I'm with you there regarding irssi, that's what I have on my VPS03:37
h00kspikeb: Me. Too.03:37
lostsoni like weechat if im gonna use a console irc app03:37
twopoint718h00k: I'm usually only in a few channels and so I think irssi is just fine.03:38
h00kI diddn't know it is a console app03:38
h00ktwopoint718: it works for more than that, too ;)03:38
spikebi use xchat. have for a long time.03:38
timtierneyspikeb, Yeah.03:38
h00kI remember the mIRC days :)03:38
spikebin fact, xchat follows me around on various OSes.03:38
spikebit is rather creepy.03:38
h00kI lol'd03:38
* spikeb grins03:39
twopoint718I like the thing in xchat where it draws a line where you last left off in a channel.03:39
spikebi HATE that03:39
lostsonxchat is what i use most of the time03:39
twopoint718really, I think it's pretty good03:39
spikebi can see the usefulness of it, but cannot stand it.03:40
h00kSo, I work for an IT company, there is only *one* tool that prevents me from using Ubuntu completely, and that's our Remote Assist program, except I can just do that from one of our servers that I Remote Desktop to03:40
* spikeb works for himself. runs ubuntu and debian. tends to get windows machines to fix though :(03:40
h00kspikeb: if you can, check out TeamViewer03:40
h00kthey have a Linux version03:40
spikebcool03:41
h00kwe use Go2Assist for work, though :(03:41
lostsonthe statusnet is working great freakn love it03:42
h00kHah, I'm pretty pleased03:42
braxtonschaferIt sure is awesome!03:43
braxtonschaferhey, i'm gonna take off.  thanks everybody for being so accommodating!03:44
spikebtake care03:44
h00kbraxtonschafer: good to see you, take care, keep in touch03:44
lostsonlater braxtonschafer03:44
twopoint718is Go2Assist secretly some standards-based technology?03:44
braxtonschaferyou too.  i'll be around!03:44
twopoint718like rdesktop or something?03:44
h00kstandards based :(, just some proprietary windows-only crap03:44
twopoint718h00k: I support mostly windows machines also.03:45
h00khttp://www.gotoassist.com/en_US/entry.tmpl03:45
twopoint718about 140 or so.03:45
h00ktwopoint718: all of our clients run Windows :(03:45
h00kI push F/OSS/Linux whenever I can, though. and everyone knows it :D03:45
spikebgood. me too.03:47
h00kI'll have my redemption one day.03:47
sgtdyou'd think employment as a developer on a web app would be redeeming.03:48
sgtdand from the end user perspective it is.03:48
sgtdour app could care less if you are runnin IE8 or Chromium on Gentoo03:49
h00kthat's how it should be03:49
sgtdbut the developer tools i have to work in are 100% windows only   :/03:49
lostsoni wish i could push it at work but like normal companies they dont care03:49
h00k"But we can get a deal on licensing for Windows, Office, and Antivirus!"03:50
h00ker....03:50
spikebmy company is mostly FOSS except for certain windows tools heh03:50
sgtdthere has to be some fiscal reason to go against the MS inertia03:50
h00kOur new ticket-tracking software runs fine in Chromium/Firefox, so that's nice03:51
sgtdmy favorite thing at work is that the heart of the datacenter is vmware esx (linux)03:51
h00kAlso, it's tough because it's all people know03:51
h00ksgtd: Ours, too :303:51
sgtdof course they run a bajillion windows 2008 servers on the vm's but still03:51
twopoint718The University has pockets that are very Linux-powered03:51
h00kthe Computer Science Lab at UWS were all dualbooted03:52
exigraffnot anymore...03:54
h00kexigraff: what are they?03:54
sgtdOS/203:54
h00kThey had OpenSuSEon them03:54
h00ksgtd: I lol'd03:54
sgtdslick!03:54
lostsonwell time to get to some other things talk to everyone later have a good night03:55
spikebyou too lostson03:55
h00klostson: Talk later, take care, thanks for stopping by03:56
exigraffh00k: just windows xp. yep.03:56
h00kexigraff: er, :(03:56
twopoint718Physics is Linux for all grid-type stuff and also many grad students and professors use Scientific Linux on the desktop03:56
h00kCool03:57
spikebvery cool.03:57
* spikeb eyes up a dual core netbook03:57
h00kspikeb: One of those with the new nvidia chipset?03:57
spikebno. plain intel all around.03:58
h00kWhen this laptop craps, I'd really like to geta system76 laptop03:58
h00kspikeb: nice03:58
* spikeb and nvidia do not like each other03:58
* h00k doesn't blame you03:58
twopoint718h00k: I've been enjoying the System76 'lemu1'04:00
h00ktwopoint718: you have one??? How is it?04:01
sgtdhttp://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=10704:01
sgtd*quiver*04:01
twopoint718Very light, thin, haven't really had any problems with it.04:01
h00k17.3! holy crap.04:01
sgtdi can appreciate the portability of netbooks/ultra mobiles but i absolutly hate them for more than <click-browse-click>04:02
spikebi love my netbook but its not powerful enough for what i want. i do not, however, have the money for a full laptop, so dualcore netbook it will be.04:03
sgtdi covet machines that weight 12 lbs and ooze zooooom04:03
spikebhehe sgtd04:03
twopoint718At the very minimum I need a full-size keyboard.  I'm also a little bit bummed that you only seem to be able to get "wide screen" laptops now04:03
sgtdi too am put off by the wide screen stuff04:04
spikebportability is the reason i use laptops/netbooks. portability from location to location, not so much for lap use04:04
h00kI have an EEE 1000 and it was fantastic for college04:04
spikebso size isn't too much of an issue for me.04:04
sgtdunless they are jamming 50GB of ram and a SAN in there04:04
twopoint718I wanted to get something in the 13" range, but since all screens are wide these days, I lost vertical resolution :(04:05
sgtdi'm with ya04:05
sgtdif they're going to go wide aspect, make it big enough to keep the vert. length04:06
spikebtoo bad that huge system76 system uses nvidia.04:06
* sgtd looks funny riding the bus with a baby-grand-piano on his lap04:06
h00kI really wouldn't mind http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=10604:06
twopoint718I feel like ~13in. and 4:3 aspect in a laptop is the sweet spot for me04:06
twopoint718sgtd: hah, true04:07
h00kI don't mind the wider screen, it's nice to fit more side-by-side for me04:07
h00kpreference, an dall04:07
h00k*and all04:07
spikebyeah i love widescreen04:08
sgtdi want a kickin' desktop w/ 23" monitor(s)04:08
sgtdbut instead i get a shitty standard issue administrative assistant 1.86GHz hand-me-down04:08
sgtdit's just wrong04:08
spikebs/23/32/ and im with ya04:09
spikeb;)04:09
timtierneyI've got two 17" wides.  I'll never go back.04:09
h00kI have a 15" laptop and a 17" attached when I'm in the office04:09
* sgtd goes off to sleep. later folks.04:11
spikeblater sgtd04:11
sgtdwilugbot: keep things clean in here04:12
wilugbot"Hi, please give us some money. We don't see how my SATA drive goes into that thing04:12
h00ksgtd: Peace04:12
timtierneyyeah I guess I better head off to bed too.  Its been great meeting everyone.04:15
h00kI ate way more string cheese than I was bargaining for.04:15
h00kYeah, I'm about there too04:15
h00kThanks for stopping by04:15
twopoint718Yeah, thanks for letting me drop in late.04:18
h00kUNACCEPTABLE04:18
h00ker, of course :)04:18
uberushaximusIf he's late I must be extremely late04:19
spikebyes04:20
h00kHello there04:20
h00kgood to see you :D04:20
h00kHow are things?04:20
uberushaximusPretty good, just got off work not too long ago, been working and studying pretty much all the time nowadays04:21
h00kuberushaximus: what are you studying?04:22
uberushaximusbasic stuff, I'm just doing a bunch of things with an undecided major at UW-Washington County, mostly physics and chinese this semester04:23
h00kcool04:23
h00kPhysics was one of my favorite subjects04:23
h00kI kicked arse in HS and then again in college with that one04:23
uberushaximusWe're on rotational momentum now, pretty easy unit overall04:25
uberushaximushm, I just noticed that I have bonded channels downstream on my cable modem, sweet04:26
h00kwhat does that mean?04:27
uberushaximuscan't say for sure but it might mean that they plan to roll out super 60 here, basically it allows my modem to broadcast over more than one channel upstream04:30
uberushaximuserm downstream so replace broadcast with recieve04:31
uberushaximussomewhat relevant ars article http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/01/cable-modems-to-hit-300mbps-with-8-channel-bonding.ars04:32
uberushaximushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Speed_tables04:34
nickmoeckI totally missed the meeting :(04:35
nickmoeckI blame h00k04:35
h00kcool.04:39
h00knickmoeck: I even sent out a reminder04:39
h00k!04:39
h00kthe /topic had the wrong date :(04:39
nickmoeckyeah but the channel topic said Thursday!04:40
nickmoeckMeetings where h00k has not made any mistakes with the date or time: 004:40
h00kThere was 1!04:40
h00knickmoeck: anyway, can you see the scrollback?04:41
nickmoeckyes, reading it now04:41
h00kuberushaximus: Oh, you must be on Charter04:41
h00kuberushaximus: they were talking about that in our area, too, except their current equipment can barely handle a dedicated 25megabits/second pipe :(04:42
h00kthe super 6004:42
uberushaximusah, it isn't really a big deal to me if the roll it out here because my mom wouldn't go for it but yeah it's nice to know that they're not dragging their heels as much as they used to on network upgrades04:43
h00kThey still have no plans on IPv6 though, apparently04:44
h00k:(04:44
h00khttp://twitter.com/#!/CharterWitten/status/385170544368435204:46
h00knickmoeck: I fully expect you to host 7 release parties in Milwaukee04:49
h00kjust sayin'04:49
h00k</jest>04:49
nickmoeckh00k: 7 release parties, eh? for... um.... me and.... Tim?04:50
h00knickmoeck: ;D04:50
uberushaximusIPv6 is the part I really care about and the reason I went with a DOCSIS3.0 modem in the first place04:54
nickmoeckIPv6 is just a fad04:54
nickmoeckWe're going to be on IPv4 for the next 50 years still probably04:54
uberushaximusit'll have to be rolled out eventually04:55
nickmoeckWhat we will likely see happen before that ever happens is ISPs doing NAT and assigning RFC1918 address to customers (charging more if you want a real IP, of course)04:57
nickmoeckand then all of those /8's that companies have and arent using being reclaimed04:57
h00knickmoeck: I'm not sure that I agree, with the limited availability of IPv4 address available04:58
h00ker, let me throw in the same word twice!04:59
h00kYou can only band-aid it for so long05:00
nickmoeckh00k: there are plenty of IPs that aren't in use that are just being hoarded by companies05:01
h00khow can they enforce that?05:01
nickmoeckApple doesnt need a /8. HP doesn't. Ford doesn't. Boeing doesn't. USPS doesn't. DuPont doesnt05:01
nickmoeckARIN sets the rules. They say that if you're not using an IP address (and NEED IT), you're supposed to give it back05:02
nickmoeckas it stands right now, you have to prove that you're using all of the IPs that you have before they'll give you more05:03
nickmoeckand using them responsibly05:03
h00kI secretly am excited to see the day when an IPv4 address *can't* be handed out because the pool is full.05:05
nickmoeckI'm not!05:06
nickmoeckI'm going to need at least a /24 soon05:07
h00kIt'll make one hell of a mess,I'll tell you that much05:07
nickmoeckAnyone know why Qt applications would crash because of PulseAudio? in Kubuntu 10.1005:09
nickmoeckother than pulse being a POS05:09
h00kI haven't had pulse issues in a *long* time05:10
h00knickmoeck: or applications aren't using pulse appropriately05:10
nickmoeckI think it's a config issue though. First flash wasn't working with Pulse, then when that was fixed, KDE stuff is crashing when it tries to play sound. knotify and Amarok both crashed05:11
nickmoeck(not my machine, btw)05:11
h00knickmoeck: course, yours works perfectly and that belongs to family, yes?05:16
nickmoeckhaha no, its a friend's computer05:17
h00kor a friend...yeah...always happens.05:17
nickmoeckalso, I forgot that he's not even using ubuntu05:17
h00kwhat is it?05:17
nickmoeckArch05:17
uberushaximuswhy do they need pulse exactly? are apps hogging alsa?05:18
h00kmore flexability, from what I understand05:18
nickmoeckI dunno why he needs pulse. He's always tinkering with stuff05:19
nickmoeckand breaking it05:19
nickmoeckthen asking me for help even though I've never used Arch a day in my life05:19
exigraffpulseaudio! it's great! >_>05:19
nickmoeckOn a slightly different topic, ZephyrVPS.com - opinions? It would be for the hosting company that I'm in the process of starting05:21
h00kI've used the Networked sinks in pulse before, that was pretty cool05:21
uberushaximushttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio05:21
uberushaximusarch's docs are good and so are gentoo's05:22
exigraffnickmoeck: never used 'em. I have only good things to say about Linode, and igxhost.com isn't bad either05:22
exigraffthough not quite up to linode's level05:22
nickmoeckexigraff: I meant your opinion as a name for my company, actually05:22
exigraffoh, haha05:23
exigraffI'm glad I read your entire message. :p05:23
exigraffmy bad05:23
nickmoeckanother possibility is FlowVPS.com (which I can also obtain FlowHosting.net)05:24
h00kThat's pretty cool05:24
nickmoeckIdeally I'd like to have ____VPS and ____Hosting.com or something similar since I plan to offer  VPS hosting and shared hosting05:25
nickmoeckI do kinda like FlowVPS05:26
h00kall 'ur informashuns is flowing'05:26
h00k...er...something.05:26
nickmoeckyeah something like that, h00k05:27
h00k'iz flowing'05:27
uberushaximusbleh, my old windows 7 partition needs fscking before I can resize it05:31
h00kuberushaximus: welcome back.05:31
h00k:(05:31
uberushaximusdunno what happened there05:31
h00kpings ate you, apparently05:31
h00k23:26 ::: signoff/#ubuntu-us-wi uberushaximus (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)05:32
uberushaximush00k: your client doesn't respond to ctcp version requests05:33
h00kuberushaximus: it's irssi05:34
h00kI don't remember if I turned that off or not05:34
h00kI didn't even get a response myself05:34
uberushaximusoh you know what I was on the wrong network05:34
h00kuberushaximus: irssi 0.8.14 (20090728 1938)05:35
h00kOkay, I need some sleeps05:41
h00kPeace, all05:41
uberushaximuslater h00k05:41
nickmoeckgoodnight h00k05:42
spikebmornin15:45
h00kHey hey15:55
* spikeb is actually awake in the morning for a change15:56
spikebwoops15:56
sgtdMORE COFFEE15:59
spikebmust have!16:00
sgtdbring me some too16:00
sgtdwilugbot: you in?16:00
wilugbotI am BEYOND wet16:00
sgtd><16:00
* spikeb brews up a pot16:01
sgtd_that_ is enthusiasm for coffee.16:01
spikebhaha.16:01
spikebnothing interesting in the news yet today16:02
h00kI just got my Gwibber rocking with the statusnet on ubuntu-wisconsin.org16:16
spikebcool16:16
spikebi set up mustard on the phone last night, haven't gotten around to gwibber on the netbook yet16:16
h00kOh, yeah, I have to do the android16:17
spikebi think i might have enough coffee in me to set up gwibber now heh16:18
* spikeb ponders reading jono bacon16:25
spikeb's book16:25
spikebstatusnet never gets my location anywhere near correct.16:26
sgtdspikeb: your location is incorrect.17:11
spikebindeed.17:11
sgtdmoving is probably the only recourse17:11
sgtdi dare not argue with software on the correctness of my location17:12
spikebwell, eventually, i am moving back to Superior. statusnet usually gets that one right :)17:12
sgtdtherefor Superior is a correct location17:12
* sgtd tries to keep the peace with the software17:13
sgtd(it may be running my ventilator or colostomy bag someday)17:14
spikebI tend to fight with it. Comes with the job.17:14
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