[01:40] <ScottL> abogani, is a patch required when compiling the -lowlatency kernel?
[01:54] <TheMuso> ScottL: For what?
[02:44] <ScottL> TheMuso, i am presuming you meant why do we need a patch to compile the -lowlatency kernel?
[02:47] <TheMuso> ScottL: I meant for what, in terms of configs/features? The plan is that we shouldn't need anything other than differing configs compared to the mainline Ubuntu kernels.
[02:49] <ScottL> TheMuso, exactly, that was my understanding as well, JFo had mentioned that someone told him that the -lowlatency and -preempt kernels still needed invasive patching, much like i expect the -rt kernel
[02:50] <ScottL> perhaps the person JFo was discussing this with was planning on including other features?
[02:53] <ScottL> oh, TheMuso, would you mind reviewing some seed changes if i push them?  they are a bit pervasive, so it may take some time to review it
[02:56] <stochastic> ScottL, yes we should ship module-jack-sink
[02:57] <ScottL> stochastic, do you know if it is stable?  will this allow us to route audio stream through jack and vise versa?
[02:58] <stochastic> I last used it in 10.04 on occasion and found it to be slightly unreliable, but yes, audio can be routed through Jack with this module enabled.
[02:59] <stochastic> it'd be nice to include this module as a on/off switch in Ubuntu Studio Controls
[02:59] <ScottL> stochastic, do you feel like coding it in python perhaps?  that would be pretty awesoem
[03:00] <ScottL> s/awesoem/awesome
[03:00] <stochastic> ScottL, possibly
[03:01] <ScottL> stochastic, do you think also you might be able to fix the changes to the limits.conf file, where jack now sets the rtprio in the other file?
[03:01] <stochastic> probably not - I don't even know what the current system uses
[03:02]  * stochastic has fallen out of date with development and is still running 10.04
[03:03]  * stochastic is also working 65+ hours a week in a kitchen (far from a computer) leaving little time to sleep let alone get back into the swing of things
[03:05] <stochastic> ScottL, another suggestion - don't know how tricky this would be, but could we change the homepage of firefox to be either ubuntustudio.org or the community documentation homepage?  I've read a number of users stating that there is not enough initial tutorials available for people who first boot into the OS.
[03:07] <ScottL> stochastic, good suggestion, which ties into something someone else mentioned today
[03:07] <ScottL> they talking about including some tutorial videos on the image, which i thought was bloody brilliant
[03:08] <ScottL> although i'm unsure how to set firefox's homepage
[03:08] <TheMuso> ScottL: You did tell them that they would have to get those videos into the archive right?
[03:08] <TheMuso> ScottL: Maybe later, rather busy atm.
[03:08] <TheMuso> re seeds.
[03:09] <ScottL> TheMuso, no to the former, although i am aware of the requirement
[03:09] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:09] <ScottL> but example content is included in vanilla ubuntu so it's not unheard of
[03:10] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:10] <ScottL> TheMuso, re: seeds, that's okay, i'm hoping to get persia to do it soon (i should have had it done already)
[03:11] <stochastic> ScottL, I googled it quickly and found a thing about adjusting a deb package to set the homepage (though a launcher thrown onto the desktop that runs "firefox http://pathToDocs" would also suffice)
[03:12] <ScottL> stochastic, lol, i was typing the "launcher on desktop" when you typed that :)
[03:12] <ScottL> that could be included in an existing package like -settings or something else i guess
[03:13] <stochastic> exactly, only problem with that might be that it's a bit hacky
[03:14] <ScottL> very true, i'll look at google for this later (couple of weeks probably) after i finish some other tasks
[03:20] <stochastic> actually ScottL, the more I think about it, there's nothing terribly hacky about putting a "help" launcher on the desktop and the settings package would be the perfect place for it
[03:21] <stochastic> though if networking is broken out of the box, then pointing to a http location would not be so elegant
[03:51] <ScottL> lol, very true stochastic  :P
[03:52] <ScottL> i'm tempted to put network manager back into the seeds though, the "fix' for network-admin apparently isn't quite desirable as could be expected for users :(
[04:01] <stochastic> personally I'm fine with network manager - I've always installed it right after first boot on my machines
[04:02] <holstein> personally, i think the pro audio guys that would be worried about it
[04:02] <holstein> would know how to get rid of it
[04:02] <holstein> and the other guys just loading up UbStu have the hardest time with it
[04:13] <stochastic> ^ totally agree.  Those who are serious about NEEDING the cpu power that network manager consumes (hardly any) are generally not booting Ubuntu anyway.
[04:22] <ScottL> you two have convinced me, i'll update the seeds :)
[04:28] <stochastic> ScottL, also - I don't have time or the exact expertise, but I think the topic on the workflow about "Sequence music using MIDI" should be split up a bit - it's kind of like saying "Create graphics with a mouse"
[04:29] <stochastic> In my opinion, there should be separate workflows for things like "create a bass line" or "play a synth pad", etc... and the best soft synths should be narrowed down that way
[04:37] <ScottL> stochastic, i agree with you, but, alas, i don't have the expertise either, although i'll ask the guy who made it if he could expand on it a bit, good suggestion :)
[04:58] <stochastic> holstein are you familiar with these workflows ^^
[04:58] <holstein> not enough to be helpful :/
[07:13] <abogani> ScottL: No. The lowlatency kernel don't require any patch at the moment (it could change in the future) .
[13:02] <ScottL> stochastic, it was a friend of mine and holstein's who did the workflows of which you speak, his name is [lsd] from #opensourcemusicians
[13:11] <ScottL> abogani, thank you for the answer :)
[14:21] <abogani> ScottL: You are welcome :-)
[18:39] <scott-work> persia:  are you around?
[18:39] <persia> I am.
[18:47] <scott-work> persia: do you mind if we pm for a moment?
[18:48] <persia> You may always /query me without asking or invitation (although I can't promise any specific response time).  Now is OK for me.