[00:08] <kristian-aalborg> lol
[00:22] <Kurdistan> want to say before I go to bed. every thing works perfect now. got to a bit of own workaround.
[00:22] <Kurdistan> lubuntu 10.10 works even beter then lubuntu 10.04
[00:23] <Kurdistan> bye my dear lubuntu family
[02:06] <rladuke> can someone please help me fix this error ": Error setting permissions: Function not implemented
[02:06] <rladuke> " i got it from trying to make a mounted .exe executable
[11:06] <ais> Hi i am trying to get tint2 work
[11:06] <ais> but the install page
[11:08] <ais> has autostart.sh
[11:08] <ais> but i dont have anything like it
[11:08] <ais> can anybody help?
[11:22] <bioterror> you have to create tint.desktop in your .config/lxsomething
[11:22] <bioterror> which launches the tint2
[14:14] <mark76> Ah... Lubuntu-offtopic. A more wretched hive of scum and villainy you'll not find :p
[15:18] <chandler> Hello folks. Can anyone tell me or point me to something which describes how much disk space is required for Lubuntu? I have an old eee 701 with a 4GB SSD that I'd like to put a newer operating system on, but I found that even xubuntu used up too much of its disk.
[15:22] <mark76> Should be adequate
[16:02] <phillw> chandler: It runs happily on 2GB (including the swap). 4GB is plenty enough for it :)
[16:04] <mark76> I think he means hard disk space, Phill
[16:04] <mark76> Not RAM
[16:04] <chandler> Great, thanks. I actually just threw it in a VM to test that out, and it looks like the default installation uses about 1.3GB.
[16:07] <mark76> :)
[16:07] <phillw> mark76: lubuntu fits snugly on 2GB, you even get room for some music etc :)
[16:07] <mark76> Nice
[16:08] <phillw> mark76: I have it on a 2GB pen drive and similar to chandler I have a reasonable amount of room for documents etc.
[16:09] <phillw> I'll amend the documentation up after my shift.
[16:09] <mark76> I have a 4 gig thumbdrive that needs formatting
[17:27] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[17:35] <kristian-aalborg> is Maverick much bigger than Lucid?
[18:18] <head_victim> kristian-aalborg: in terms of disk space or in terms of ram usage or?
[18:25] <kristian-aalborg> yup, that was unspecific
[18:25] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[18:25] <kristian-aalborg> disc usage, firstly
[18:25] <kristian-aalborg> it seems about the same regarding rams
[18:30] <head_victim> Yeah well as for exact data I'm unsure but apparently it fits on a 2gb drive ok so to me that means it can't be that big.
[18:30] <head_victim> Are you trying to fit it on a certain space or?
[18:33] <kristian-aalborg>  I got exactly 2g to use
[18:34] <kristian-aalborg> are you sure it's not 10.4 you talk about?
[18:35] <kristian-aalborg> I recall seeing systems perform badly when the disk is almost full, though... so will need to slim it down
[18:35] <kristian-aalborg> the installer recommends 3.8 gb or something like that
[18:36] <kristian-aalborg> yay, I made it
[18:43] <head_victim> kristian-aalborg: I guess the only way to be sure is to try it but then there are people talking 2.5 hours ago saying it fits on a 2gb usb drive so I'm not certain (haven't done it) but all reports are that it works.
[18:43] <kristian-aalborg> it did :)
[18:44] <head_victim> Well there you go.
[18:44] <head_victim> I'll start pestering some people to see if we can get hard drive space added to the "minimum specifications" part of the wiki and help guides. There are a lot of questions about that in here.
[18:46] <Neosano> when is the best time to migrate to lubuntu? Currently using Kubuntu on PC and Xubuntu on laptop, I wanna install lubuntu on both. Should I do it right now or should I wait for next release or smth?
[18:46] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim: I removed about ten megs of programs
[18:47] <kristian-aalborg> and I use 1,4 G now, df -h says
[18:47] <kristian-aalborg> however
[18:47] <head_victim> Neosano: depends on what you call "best time". I have Lubuntu 10.10 on a desktop and laptop right now and they are running great.
[18:48] <bioterror> my / is 825G :(
[18:50] <head_victim> I keep / under 20 gb but some of my pcs have a 2tb /home
[18:50] <Neosano> head_victim, if I install it right now would it be hard to upgrade to newer versions?
[18:50] <head_victim> Which is handy when you decide you want to mirror the Ubuntu repository.
[18:50] <head_victim> Neosano: it wouldn't be any more difficult than if you installed it any other time I don't believe.
[18:51] <Neosano> oh ok
[18:54] <Neosano> another question... is netboot install possible with lubuntu?
[18:55] <head_victim> Neosano: hang on I'll get a link
[18:55] <head_victim> Neosano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[18:57] <Neosano> damn.. my internet is so slow :|
[18:57] <Neosano> my neighbor is probably download something.. gosh..
[18:57] <Neosano> well, it's a payback :D
[19:01] <head_victim> Hah that's the spirit.
[19:01] <Neosano> head_victim, minimal install is something different :O it's possible to install ubuntu by downloading a single file which is about 20 mb, everything else is going to be downloaded via internet
[19:01] <head_victim> Neosano: ah sorry, that's the smallest installation for Lubuntu that is docuemented. It doesn't mean it's not possible it's just that it means no one has written about it.
[19:02] <Neosano> oh
[19:02] <head_victim> And I have to head off to work, didn't realise the time!
[19:02] <head_victim> If you shoot an email to the mailing list they might be able to help out more.
[19:03] <Neosano> nah it's not a big problem for me
[19:03] <head_victim> Details are at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop :D
[19:03] <head_victim> Good luck
[19:03] <Neosano> thank you, cya :)
[20:33] <kristian-aalborg> oh no
[20:33] <kristian-aalborg> I ran chromim as sudo
[20:34] <kristian-aalborg> now I can't start is as regular user
[20:34] <bioterror> now someone at google laughs at you
[20:35] <kristian-aalborg> probably
[20:35] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[20:39] <kristian-aalborg> sill
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> still
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> this should not happen
[20:47] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: you have completely messed up your permissions on Chromium. you must always use gksudo for a programme that has your details on, if you give me few minutes I'll go get the solution for you.
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> I actually think I was gksudo
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> nope, history says I was sudo...
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> my bad, then ;)
[20:52] <bioterror> you should never run browser as root
[20:52] <bioterror> never ever
[20:53] <phillw> ls -l of /usr/bin/ chro*  should report report back -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3382 2010-09-17 11:37 chromium-browser (it's the permissions I need to confirm)
[20:53] <kristian-aalborg> I don't have a lot of settings in it
[20:54] <phillw> bioterror: there are instances when running a browser with gksudo is needed for bug hunting, but you are dead right NEVER run any GUI programme as sudo.
[20:54] <bioterror> well not about gui
[20:55] <bioterror> but rather browser
[20:55] <bioterror> web pages are full of javascripts and other stuff like that
[20:55] <bioterror> there's really no difference between sudo and gksud
[20:55] <bioterror> o
[20:56] <phillw> bioterror: using sudo on any GUI programme will mess your personal data up so much, fortunately in this case it's not hard a fix.
[20:56] <bioterror> mess what?
[20:56] <kristian-aalborg> phillw: you mean /usr/bin/chromium-browser?
[20:56] <phillw> bioterror: using gksudo retains your own user permissions, sudo converts everything to owned by root.
[20:57] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: yup
[20:57] <bioterror> gksu is just a frontend for su and sudo?
[20:57] <kristian-aalborg> I get rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3438
[20:58] <phillw> bioterror: I know this from people messing firefox up, I'm going to use the same instructions for correcting it, but using the chromium profile.
[20:58] <bioterror> but still
[20:58] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: that's fine.
[20:58] <bioterror> I believe that there's no difference between gksudo and sudo
[20:58] <bioterror> just a graphical frontend
[20:59] <phillw> bioterror: no, gksudo retains the user permissions, sudo changes them to root.
[20:59] <bioterror> you mean like /home/loser/.config?
[21:00] <phillw> exactly, which is where kristian-aalborg is heading next, to sudo chown it back.
[21:01] <bioterror> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[21:02] <phillw> lovinglinux is a really good guy and has taught my so much about people messing up firefox by using sudo instead of gksudo that I'm fairly confident I can sort this permissions problem out.
[21:04] <phillw> bioterror: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=649167
[21:04] <phillw> a really handy guy to get to befriend.
[21:05] <phillw> bioterror: I think his post count and tutorials say as much as needs saying :)
[21:06] <phillw> sorry kristian-aalborg we got side tracked
[21:07] <phillw> issue cd in the terminal
[21:08] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: that will take you to your home directory, can you paste up what the path name is please.
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> suer
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> sure
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> one second
[21:10] <kristian-aalborg> sudo chown -R <user_name>:<user_name> ~/.mozilla
[21:10] <kristian-aalborg> should be this simple :)
[21:11] <phillw> yeas, except you need to change it for chromium :P
[21:12] <phillw> cd to .config
[21:12] <phillw> if you then do an ls on there, you should see the chromium area
[21:13] <phillw> phillw@piglet:~/.config$ ls -l chromium
[21:14] <phillw> they all need to be chown'ed and chgrpd to your self.
[21:15] <kristian-aalborg> yupee
[21:15] <phillw> kristian-aalborg: next time, don't use sudo, else I'll spank your bottom :P
[21:16] <kristian-aalborg> I forgot this was SMbuntu ;)
[21:54] <czz> my sound just stopped working, any ideas?
[21:55] <czz> i restarted and still no sound
[22:26] <stlsaint> czz: is sound card still deteced?
[22:26] <stlsaint> detected
[22:26] <czz> how do i test that?
[22:26] <stlsaint> also do a reboot and before you start any other programs, pop a terminal and run: dmesg
[22:27] <stlsaint> that will tell you a good snapshot of what mounted properly and what didnt
[22:27] <czz> okay brb
[22:27] <bioterror> why not just lspci?-)
[22:27] <czz> bioterror, continue ...
[22:28] <bioterror> lspci should show you soundcard
[22:28] <bioterror> I get
[22:28] <bioterror> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio C
[22:28] <bioterror> ontroller (rev 01)
[22:28] <czz> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[22:29] <bioterror> ;)
[22:29] <czz> i'll do that stlsaint said
[22:29] <czz> brb
[22:32] <czz> stlsaint, should i pastebin it?
[22:33] <stlsaint> czz:sure
[22:35] <czz> http://pastebin.com/hJv0yvWz
[22:40] <czz> i'll get install unr 10.04
[22:40] <czz> ugh
[22:45] <stlsaint> once sec
[22:46] <stlsaint> czz: says the pastebin is expired or delted?
[22:47] <czz> gave it a 10 min expiration date
[22:49] <stlsaint> oh shucks, at least give it a one day exp
[22:50] <czz> hehe
[23:37] <kristian-aalborg> has anyone gotten rhythmbox running?
[23:37] <kristian-aalborg> I can't play mp3's there
[23:38] <bioterror> do you have gstreamer ugly installed
[23:38] <bioterror> or what those were
[23:43] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[23:43] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: the strange thing is that mp3 works in mplayer
[23:44] <bioterror> ofcourse
[23:44] <bioterror> mplayer does not use gstreamer
[23:44] <bioterror> and rhtytnsdfsdfbox does us
[23:44] <bioterror> use
[23:45] <kristian-aalborg> I tried with both ubuntu and lubuntu extras
[23:46] <szczur> kristian-aalborg, USE MOC! :)
[23:46] <szczur> j.k
[23:47] <bioterror> szczur, *5* ;D
[23:47] <szczur> bioterror, \o
[23:48] <szczur> :)
[23:48]  * szczur found out that moc can play SID files :)
[23:51] <bioterror> :D
[23:51] <bioterror> hahaha
[23:51] <bioterror> awesome
[23:51] <bioterror> szczur, you've HVSC?
[23:52] <szczur> not yet
[23:52] <bioterror> ;)
[23:52] <szczur> it's on my way :>
[23:52] <bioterror> good
[23:52] <bioterror> do you have Instant Remedy album?-)
[23:52] <szczur> yeah :)
[23:52] <bioterror> :D
[23:52] <szczur> XD
[23:52] <bioterror> both Press Play on Tape albums?
[23:53] <bioterror> szczur, http://www.axesdenied.net/
[23:54] <szczur> http://pastebin.com/VWYxCTSC < don't know if it's complete
[23:55] <szczur> bioterror, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN2aNCvgcPU < Polish Power :)