[02:26] <SPooN> Pinguy OS 10.10 looks pretty awesome...
[02:37] <Solovei> I need help with an Empathy debug
[02:41] <Solovei> ... Anyone?
[02:43] <Solovei> :/
[04:52] <MrAnthrope> Every time I tell someone I've just installed 10.04 they ask me why I haven't installed 10.10... What is the difference?
[04:54] <UndiFineD> stability
[04:54] <Cheri703> it's updated. I'm running 10.04 on one computer, and a hybrid of 10.10 and 10.04 on another...
[04:54] <Cheri703> I like the stable older one
[04:54] <MrAnthrope> lol hybrid?
[04:54] <MrAnthrope> Didn't 10.10 just get released like a few days ago?
[04:54] <MrAnthrope> 10.04 is an official stable release, correct?
[04:54] <UndiFineD> it did, and I consider it stable too
[04:55] <Cheri703> MrAnthrope: like a month ago
[04:55] <Cheri703> but yeah
[04:55] <MrAnthrope> mm. So is 10.10 an unoffical release? Like a sorta post-beta?
[04:55] <UndiFineD> no 0.10 is official too, just not an LTS version
[04:56] <UndiFineD> 10.01
[04:56] <UndiFineD> bleh
[04:56] <UndiFineD> 10.10
[04:56] <UndiFineD> !lts
[04:56] <ubot2> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Hardy (Hardy Herron 8.04)
[04:56] <IdleOne> the difference between LTS and non-lts is the amount of time the release is supported
[04:56] <Cheri703> IdleOne: I have noticed "polish" differences too...
[04:56] <Cheri703> much less experimental I believe
[04:57] <IdleOne> non-lts is stable with some new features being tested, sorta kinda
[04:58] <MrAnthrope> How often is a version made LTS? Every 3 years?
[04:59] <IdleOne> next lts will be 12.04 I believe
[04:59] <IdleOne> so every 2 years
[04:59] <MrAnthrope> ah
[05:00] <IdleOne> so that leaves 1 year over lap of support between LTS
[05:00] <IdleOne> on the desktop version
[05:01] <UndiFineD> which is why ubot2 may be right
[05:01] <UndiFineD> but I think it should be updated to latest lts
[05:01] <IdleOne> yeah ubot2 is wrong, the latest LTS is 10.04
[05:01] <IdleOne> needs to be updated
[06:48] <MintBerryCrunch> Can anyone here give me a hand?
[06:48] <MintBerryCrunch> Installed Ubuntu 10.4 about 2 days ago, sound was fine. Installed ALSA by itself, followed by PulseAudio
[06:48] <MintBerryCrunch> No sound at all, but it knows my card is there, the sound is turned up in the alsa configuration in the terminal, but even on max it's still negative decibals (not sure if that matters)
[06:49] <Mohan_chml> MintBerryCrunch, are you sure the OS is not muted?
[06:52] <MintBerryCrunch> Sound options say that the volume is up and unmuted if that's what you mean
[06:55] <MrAnthrope> Too advanced for me.
[06:56] <Mohan_chml> MintBerryCrunch, typing lspci in terminal displays about your audio?
[06:57] <MintBerryCrunch> About a full page of information I don't fully understand, except that I see my card listed a dozen times or so. Anything in particular I should be looking for?
[06:59] <Mohan_chml> !pastebin | MintBerryCrunch
[06:59] <ubot2> MintBerryCrunch: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[07:02] <MintBerryCrunch> Mohan_chml: Started toying with pavucontrol, it looks like I have active audio working in wine and microphone, but not firefox
[07:03] <Mohan_chml> which flash player are you using?
[07:10] <genupulas> http://pastebin.com/QQ8xTj6c
[07:10] <genupulas> any one can help me with that
[07:13] <Mohan_chml> genupulas, try add()
[07:13] <Mohan_chml> and replace function with sub
[07:15] <Mohan_chml> genupulas, I am not sure, but http://pastebin.com/RMFRgs9n will do I think
[12:38] <Hamish101> I am having trouble trying to get stellarium to work on ubuntu 10.10
[12:41] <Hamish101> Is there anyone who can help with this problem?  Any help would be appreciated.
[13:33] <Hamish101> hello, I am new to ubuntu/linux and I am having trouble getting stellarium to work
[13:33] <Hamish101> I have searched through many websites for help but everything I have tried just doesn't seem to work
[13:34] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Have you tried the #stellarium IRC channel?
[13:35] <Hamish101> I didn't know there was one
[13:35] <Hamish101> I will give it a try
[13:35] <Hamish101> thankyou
[13:35] <aveilleux> No problem, Hamish101
[13:36] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Also, have you tried the deb files? http://www.stellarium.org/wiki/index.php/Download#Ubuntu_.2F_Linux_Mint_.2F_Debian
[13:37] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Actually, apparently Stellarium is included in the standard repositories.
[13:37] <bioterror> stellarium sounds pretty trippy piece of software ;)
[13:37] <Hamish101> Should I uninstall stellarium and then try the download aveilleux
[13:37] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Yeah, it's in the repos. Have you tried installing it from Synaptic?
[13:37] <aveilleux> Hamish101: How did you try to install it the first time?
[13:38] <Hamish101> from ubuntu software centre
[13:38] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Ahh... I've always had bad luck with the software center.
[13:39] <Hamish101> I have tried it on 2 laptops, one was right after a fresh install of 10.10 and it didn't work on both
[13:39] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Open up Terminal for me (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) and run the command: sudo apt-get purge stellarium
[13:39] <Hamish101> hang on a sec
[13:40] <Hamish101> ok it's doing it,  by the way what is that command doing?
[13:41] <aveilleux> Hamish101: It's uninstalling Stellarium, and purging its configuration files in /etc.
[13:41] <Hamish101> ok that's done
[13:41] <Hamish101> what now
[13:41] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Once that command is complete, run: sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:42] <Hamish101> ok it's doing it, and what is this command doing?
[13:42] <aveilleux> Hamish101: It's removing the unneeded packages from your system. I'm basically cleaning up your system in preparation for a reinstall.
[13:43] <Hamish101> ok, thankyou.  That is done
[13:43] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Now run: sudo apt-get install stellarium
[13:44] <Hamish101> ok it seems it's done
[13:44] <Hamish101> Strange... it didn't have to download anything it seems
[13:44] <aveilleux> Hamish101: hm, that's od-- OH RIGHT. the apt cache. Well... we'll test something first.
[13:45] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Now run stellarium (the command, all lowercase)
[13:46] <Hamish101> nope didn't work
[13:46] <Hamish101> ell-d600@delld600-Latitude-D600:~$ stellarium
[13:46] <Hamish101> Using default graphics system specified at build time:  raster
[13:46] <Hamish101> QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running.
[13:46] <Hamish101>  -------------------------------------------------------
[13:46] <Hamish101> [ This is Stellarium 0.10.5 - http://www.stellarium.org ]
[13:46] <Hamish101> [ Copyright (C) 2000-2010 Fabien Chereau et al          ]
[13:46] <Hamish101>  -------------------------------------------------------
[13:46] <Hamish101> Writing log file to: "/home/dell-d600/.stellarium/log.txt"
[13:46] <Hamish101> File search paths:
[13:46] <Hamish101>   0 .  "/home/dell-d600/.stellarium"
[13:46] <Hamish101>   1 .  "/usr/share/stellarium"
[13:46] <Hamish101> Config file is:  "/home/dell-d600/.stellarium/config.ini"
[13:46] <Hamish101> Qt GL paint engine is:  "OpenGL"
[13:46] <Hamish101> stellarium: ../../radeon/radeon_cs_gem.c:181: cs_gem_write_reloc: Assertion `boi->space_accounted' failed.
[13:46] <aveilleux> WOAH
[13:46] <aveilleux> WOAH
[13:46] <aveilleux> WOAH
[13:46] <aveilleux> !pastebin | Hamish101
[13:46] <ubot2> Hamish101: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[13:46] <Hamish101> Whoops, sorry about that
[13:46] <aveilleux> hm.
[13:47] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Are you running Ubuntu Netbook Edition?
[13:47] <Hamish101> no
[13:47] <Hamish101> regular desktop
[13:47] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Hm, interesting. Are you running on a preinstalled Dell computer? Or did you install over Windows.
[13:48] <Hamish101> Yes it is a slightly older Dell
[13:48] <Hamish101> Latitude D600
[13:48] <Hamish101> I wipped it totally for a full Ubuntu re-install
[13:48] <aveilleux> Hamish101: That wasn't a yes-or-no question; certain Dell machines come with ubuntu pre-installed.
[13:49] <Hamish101> It previously had winxp installed on it.
[13:50] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Okay.
[13:50] <aveilleux> Hamish101: Hm... it appears to be a bug in the graphics driver...
[13:50] <aveilleux> Hamish101: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/656100
[13:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656100 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[needs 7.9.1] [radeon r200] ../../radeon/radeon_cs_gem.c:181: cs_gem_write_reloc: Assertion `boi->space_accounted' failed. (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 104)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:52] <aveilleux> Hamish101: I'm not sure how to handle it past here, graphics is not my strong suit.
[13:52] <Hamish101> ok
[13:52] <Hamish101> thankyou for your help so far
[13:52] <aveilleux> Hamish101: But you notice that Stellarium installed properly, it's a different program that's causing the problem.
[13:53] <Hamish101> oh
[13:53] <aveilleux> Hamish101: That's why I had you run from command-line; running from the menu doesn't give us these error messages
[13:53] <Hamish101> got it
[14:25] <alex-a> hello there!
[14:26] <alex-a> I'm a new bie. How do I set up mail?
[14:27] <zkriesse_> On?
[14:27] <zkriesse_> Thunderbird or Evolution
[14:27] <alex-a> Its Evolution
[14:27] <zkriesse_> Ah
[14:28] <zkriesse_> Then sorry...don't like evolution
[14:28] <zkriesse_> Never use it anymore as it sucks in my opinion
[14:28] <alex-a> I actually don't have a preference. I just want to get started
[14:29] <alex-a> Thunderbird will be a good start I guess.
[14:30] <zkriesse_> Thunderbird is highly configurable and actually quite easy to use
[14:31] <zkriesse_> !Thunderbird
[14:31] <ubot2> Thunderbird is a free email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox (both by the Mozilla Foundation). To make Thunderbird links open in Firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[14:31] <zkriesse_> Argu
[14:31] <zkriesse_> Hold on lemme find the doc pages for it
[14:32] <alex-a> ok
[14:33] <zkriesse_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Thunderbird
[14:33] <zkriesse_> Sorry...iPod is hard to do this stuff in
[14:33] <zkriesse_> On
[14:34] <zkriesse_> On that note I must go...class starts in 15 minutes or so and I've got a quiz
[14:36] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: although i don't use evolution, this might be of help too; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingGmailWithEvolution :)
[14:39] <alex-a> JoemaverickSett: thanks a lot.
[14:39] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: no problem. :)
[14:39] <alex-a> I however get stuck when going through the link
[14:39] <JoeMaverickSett> :O
[14:40] <alex-a> Can you kindly walk me through a little bit on this?
[14:40] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie, i'll try my best. what do you need? :)
[14:40] <alex-a> I can see Ubuntu is very powerful, but I just need a kickstart
[14:41] <alex-a> Let's say, I will want to install and configure Thunderbird.
[14:41] <JoeMaverickSett> okie, go on.
[14:42] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: so you want to install thunderbird?
[14:42] <alex-a> Yes, please.
[14:42] <bioterror> i have to say that evolution is horrible if you compare to thunderbird
[14:43] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: on the panel go to Applications > Ubuntu Software Center > in search box type "Thunderbird" :)
[14:43] <bioterror> rules works alot better in thunderbird as does spamfilters
[14:43] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: +100 :P
[14:43] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: but i know you use Splypheed :)
[14:44] <alex-a> Is that the Mozilla Thunderbird Mail/News please
[14:44] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: yes. :)
[14:44] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, thunderbird and alpine
[14:44] <alex-a> ok
[14:45] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: you can click on it and well see two buttons, More Info & Install. if you want to know more about the features of the software click "More Info"
[14:45] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, if i feel myself little adventurous, i might use it on laptop :D
[14:45] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: ah, nice. But i use Claws. :D
[14:45] <bioterror> claws and sylph are like tomato, tomeito
[14:45] <bioterror> if u know what i mean
[14:45] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i thought you only like servers where you work in the blackhole? :P
[14:45] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: yeah, i get it.
[14:46] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett: Done.
[14:46] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie.
[14:48] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett: How do I get started now?
[14:49] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: open it, please.
[14:50] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: btw, are you going to use gmail or some other mail?
[14:50] <alex-a> Now shows "my account setup
[14:51] <alex-a> I'll use gmail
[14:51] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie, have you turn on the POP options from your gmail?
[14:52] <alex-a> where do I see that? Do I have to log on my gmail account first?
[14:52] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: follow the steps here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingGmailWithEvolution until *Save Changes* part
[14:57] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett:
[14:57] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: yes?
[14:57] <alex-a> I mean, done.
[14:57] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie.
[14:57] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: is your thunderbird showing something like this? http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/install-and-use-thunderbird-in-ubuntu-linux/
[14:57] <alex-a> A question please, do you have to type my name each time you reply?
[14:58] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: no, i just type al then <tab> key
[14:59] <alex-a> ok.
[14:59] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie, so could tell me what you see right now? for thunderbird?
[14:59] <alex-a> Do you mean the screen shot?
[14:59] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: if that is ok with you. :) yes.
[15:00] <alex-a> ok
[15:00] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: do you see something like, Mail Account Setup window?
[15:01] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett,
[15:01] <alex-a> yes
[15:01] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: and options for *your name*, *your email* & *password*?
[15:01] <alex-a> yes, indeed.
[15:01] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: type in your account details there. :)
[15:02] <alex-a> do I have to fill in my actual gmail password?
[15:02] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: yes.
[15:04] <alex-a> done and I'm seeing turning like circles on the left hand of the dialogue box.
[15:04] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: do you see something like IMAP and POP option to check?
[15:05] <alex-a> No, I only see smtp and POP
[15:06] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: could i see a screenshot? :)
[15:06] <alex-a> how do i do that please?
[15:07] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: Applications > Accessories > Take a screenshot.
[15:08] <alex-a> then..shall I copy to clipboard, please?
[15:08] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: upload it to http://imagebin.org then give me the link, please. :)
[15:10] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, do I have to sign in there?
[15:10] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: *Add your image* which is the option to upload is at the bottom.
[15:10] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: nope.
[15:10] <alex-a> ok
[15:11] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: sorry to take a long time though. i just want to make sure to guide you on the correct options. :)
[15:11] <alex-a> I understand and I really appreciate your help. No worries.
[15:12] <alex-a> How do I upload the image there. Do I have to save the screen shot or copy to clipboard?
[15:13] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: save the screen shot.
[15:13] <alex-a> ok
[15:15] <alex-a> I'm trying to figure out where the file goes after I save it.
[15:16] <JoeMaverickSett> :O
[15:16] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, http://imagebin.org/123961
[15:16] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: never mind then. could you tell me what you see on Thunderbird's account setup option?
[15:17] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie. in the incoming option, type 995 instead of 110
[15:18] <alex-a> did you receive my screen shot?
[15:18] <alex-a> ok. will do
[15:18] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: yes.
[15:18] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, done
[15:19] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: do you see the option to create account?
[15:19] <alex-a> yes, but it is inactive.
[15:19] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: try clicking *Re-test configuration*
[15:19] <alex-a> smtp is 587, is that correct.
[15:19] <alex-a> I try re test.
[15:19] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: yes.
[15:20] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: does the option becomes active?
[15:20] <alex-a> no, still not
[15:20] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: ah, i think you have to type, pop.gmail.com in incoming: box.
[15:21] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, could it be my name as shown to others is incorrect?
[15:21] <alex-a> Yes, it is pop.gmai.com
[15:21] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: try the re-test again?
[15:22] <alex-a> i just did and behaves just the same.
[15:23] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: hhmm, that's weird though.
[15:24] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: did you turn on POP option on your gmail account correctly?
[15:25] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: ah, could you toggle the two boxes which has *None* option on them?
[15:25] <alex-a> yes I did and I save.
[15:25] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: to say, SSL/TLS?
[15:26] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: toggle those *None* boxes to SSL/TLS and re-test the configuration again, please. :)
[15:27] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, http://imagebin.org/123963 here is my new screen shot
[15:28] <alex-a> it took me to the next step forward I guess
[15:28] <alex-a> It say "outgoing settings: smtp.gmail.com does not use encryption
[15:29] <alex-a> maybe I change settings, right?
[15:29] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie, change it please.
[15:30] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: change pop port to 995 and smtp port to 465.
[15:31] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, and I clicked retest configuration.
[15:31] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: could you see creat account now? :)
[15:32] <alex-a> before this was yes. not yet now.
[15:32] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: don't forget to type pop.gmail.com in incoming: box
[15:32] <alex-a> it is already default here.
[15:32] <JoeMaverickSett> okie.
[15:34] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: i think i better give you my configuration then. :) http://imagebin.org/123965
[15:34] <alex-a> now create account is active
[15:34] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie, click it.
[15:34] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[15:35] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: i think after that it will start downloading your mails? yes?
[15:36] <alex-a> but it says "outgoing settings. do not use encryption. is it ok?
[15:36] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, maybe i can create account and tweak later.
[15:37] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: i think say Yes to it. :-/
[15:38] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, it works. You are the Man.
[15:38] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, Thank you very kindly indeed.
[15:39] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: but i don't understand why that option comes up on your config though. mine does not. :-/
[15:40] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: although, i'm glad it worked. :D
[15:40] <alex-a> I have a dual Win 7 -64 bit but don't know if it matters to this.
[15:41] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, I'm now just crazy about learning Ubuntu.
[15:42] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: hehe! ;)
[15:42] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: i was dual booting with win 7 for 2 months but then i uninstalled and used Ubuntu for the whole drive. :D
[15:43] <alex-a> In fact I have bought official Ubuntu books.
[15:43] <alex-a> I have 2 disk
[15:43] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: cool! :)
[15:43] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: i think there would be a page about evolution. :D
[15:44] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: in the Official Book. you might want to find it out.
[15:44] <alex-a> Like what I said, I get stuck when going through the manuals
[15:44] <alex-a> Maybe will get better as I go along.
[15:45] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: keep on trying those guide from manuals ;)
[15:45] <alex-a> I'm crazy about learning proxy server and samba. But I'll take time
[15:46] <alex-a> Will go through the manuals in the book and log here if I can't make it work.
[15:47] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: sure, there are many people to help ya.drop in here anytime. :)
[15:48] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, Thank you so much again. It is almost 12 midnight in my location.
[15:48] <alex-a> JoeMaverickSett, bye for now.
[15:48] <JoeMaverickSett> alex-a: okie. good luck. :)
[15:48] <alex-a> Cheers.
[17:07] <KinkyPinkie> hey! wondering one thing. my top screen bar sometimes buggs up in the area of time/date/volume etc.. something I could do to fix that? been the same the last 5 reboots now:/
[17:15] <Mohan_chml> KinkyPinkie, can you take a screenshot of it?
[17:21] <KinkyPinkie> Mohan_chml: what was the picture-bin thing?
[17:21] <Mohan_chml> http://tinyurl.com/imagebin
[17:21] <Mohan_chml> KinkyPinkie, ^
[17:22] <KinkyPinkie> http://imagebin.org/123975
[17:25] <Mohan_chml> KinkyPinkie, try setting your visual effects to none and check it
[17:26] <Mohan_chml> right click-> change desktop background and visual effects tab
[17:26] <KinkyPinkie> iirc it is set on none, i'm using compizconfig
[17:27] <KinkyPinkie> usually it fixes itself on reboot, but aparentally not this time :P
[17:27] <Mohan_chml> argh!
[17:28] <Mohan_chml> its the graphics error I think. I don't know much as I don't get it. but check the graphics properties
[17:32] <KinkyPinkie> mm.. where do I find those?
[17:32] <Mohan_chml> idk about compiz
[17:33] <Mohan_chml> lemme look for something regarding it
[17:34] <KinkyPinkie> oh nvm i think i found it
[17:36] <Mohan_chml> great
[18:33] <UndiFineD> good morning
[18:35] <tenach> Good morning UndiFineD
[19:00] <evfool> hi aall
[19:06] <UndiFineD> hello evfool
[21:15] <hxcjonnysniper> i have no sound hardware anymore or audio option in the toolbar. does anyone know why? i had it last night when i was on my computer but today it just like dissapeared.
[21:16] <nlsthzn> hxcjonnysniper: no sound working?
[21:18] <hxcjonnysniper> nlsthzn: nah. it seems like its kinda a common problem on the forums but yeah it just like dissapeared on me all of the sudden. but when i run the lspci command in the terminal it says its there but in the sound options its empty under hardware. weird.
[21:18] <nlsthzn> no fixes in the forum I take it either... odd, which version your on?
[21:20] <bodhizazen> hxcjonnysniper: hard ware failure ?
[21:22] <hxcjonnysniper> nlsthzn: 10.10 im getting really annoyed with it. like this isn't the first problem i've had. my openGL doesn't work anymore either.
[21:23] <nlsthzn> ... and this is without running any updates, installing anything strange... it was working and then BAM! the next day it doesn't...?
[21:23] <hxcjonnysniper> bodhizazen: yeah i don't know. i mean it was working like less than 24 hours ago. all i did was update some gdm thing. i can't remember. OH. i did start gdm command in the terminal and like my computer like shut off kinda.
[21:24] <hxcjonnysniper> nlsthzn: i mean it was working like less than 24 hours ago. all i did was update some gdm thing. i can't remember. OH. i did start gdm command in the terminal and like my computer like shut off kinda.
[21:24] <nlsthzn> hxcjonnysniper: lol, might have something to do with it I would venture :p
[21:25] <hxcjonnysniper> nlsthzn: yeah im guessing so. but there is like no fix for it apparently. UGHHHHH.
[21:26] <bodhizazen> hxcjonnysniper: can you boot another OS or live CD and test sound from there
[21:26] <bodhizazen> Just because it was working yesterday does not really indicate the source of the problem, sorry to say
[21:27] <hxcjonnysniper> bodhizazen: yeah. i did that and the sound works.
[21:27] <bodhizazen> What sound card ?
[21:28]  * nlsthzn still has way to much of a Windows mentality and would simply back-up and re-install... which is bad and makes him ashamed...
[21:29] <tenach> nlsthzn: It can take a while to kill that 'habit'
[21:30] <bodhizazen> nlsthzn:  many people do that with Linux as many feel it is easier to install Linux.
[21:30] <bodhizazen> I use the 20 minute rule
[21:30] <nlsthzn> problem is you never learn from doing that :/ hence my limited knowledge
[21:31] <nlsthzn> bodhizazen: 20 min rule?
[21:31] <bodhizazen> As it takes 20 minutes to install, if it looks like it takes more then 20 minutes to fix, and I do not have the time to burn, re-install
[21:31] <tenach> Good idea, bodhizazen :o
[21:32] <bodhizazen> nlsthzn: Over time you will learn to fix more, but in my experience, the learning from a broken system is somewhat limited, honestly
[21:32] <bodhizazen> nlsthzn: Back up system files b4 you edit them
[21:32] <hxcjonnysniper> i just don't want to lose my music. i have like over 90 gigs.
[21:33] <bodhizazen> hxcjonnysniper: I ALWAYS keep a /data partition
[21:33] <bodhizazen> then you can install an OS without data loss
[21:33] <bodhizazen> you then link
[21:33] <hxcjonnysniper> yeah i wish i did. haha.
[21:33] <bodhizazen> ln -s /data/music ~/music
[21:33] <bodhizazen> hxcjonnysniper: boot a live CD
[21:33]  * nlsthzn thinks the best defence is a good backup :)
[21:33] <bodhizazen> use gparted to make a data partition
[21:33] <bodhizazen> copy music to data partition
[21:34] <hxcjonnysniper> bodhizazen: so your saying i can reinstall ubuntu and keep my music?
[21:34] <bodhizazen> hxcjonnysniper: if you are careful and understand what you are doing, yet that would be trivial
[21:35] <bodhizazen> But wiping your music collection is but a mouse click away, so you need to understand partitioning
[21:36] <hxcjonnysniper> bodhizazen: right. imma look it up.
[21:37] <bodhizazen> hxcjonnysniper: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018&highlight=partitioning
[21:37] <bodhizazen> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=help-manual&lang=C
[21:38] <nlsthzn> still, having a backup is best... you never know when you will have an oops moment
[21:39] <bodhizazen> backup meaning on a large external drive or backing up to DVD
[21:40] <bodhizazen> 'lo Cheri703
[21:40] <Cheri703> hi
[21:40] <nlsthzn> what ever works for you I guess... you can back up to the cloud too :)
[21:40] <bodhizazen> 90 Gb to the cloud ?
[21:40] <hxcjonnysniper> hahahahaha
[21:41] <bodhizazen> If you can put 90 Gb on the cloud, I'm in =)
[21:41] <nlsthzn> yup... I have uploaded about 45GB to wuala ;)
[21:42] <nlsthzn> you swop physical space for cloud space
[21:42] <nlsthzn> then it doesn't cost a cent
[21:42] <nlsthzn> just takes forever and a day to upload :/
[21:44] <bodhizazen> nlsthzn: OIC, but if the data is on your HD it is not really a backup then as you will loose the data if the HD failes
[21:44] <bodhizazen> compiledkernel: 'lo
[21:46] <nlsthzn> bodhizazen: no... you give wuala say 50gb of your hd space for them to use, and you then upload 50gb into the cloud, encrypted... http://www.wuala.com/ check it out ;)
[21:47] <compiledkernel> nlsthzn: the distrubted dot net model for storing data space is rather , well  unsettling. At least to me.
[21:49] <nlsthzn> compiledkernel: I love the idea (even though I have no idea what makes it tick)...
[21:49] <compiledkernel> intricate network and bandwidth coding.
[21:50] <nlsthzn> sounds illegal ;)
[22:06] <bodhizazen> compiledkernel: I thought you wrote the code for the cloud
[22:07] <compiledkernel> cloud is just a senseless buzzword bodhizazen
[22:07] <compiledkernel> something people use to inspire ooh and ahh
[22:07] <bodhizazen> ooh ahh
[22:09] <nlsthzn> I like it... cloud... sounds fluffy and white
[22:09] <compiledkernel> just a buzzword nlsthzn
[22:10] <stlsaint> compiledkernel: W00T!
[22:11] <nlsthzn> like shakespear said... no matter what you call it, it is awesomeness
[22:16] <compiledkernel> perhaps
[22:16] <compiledkernel> but then perhaps not
[22:16] <stlsaint> compiledkernel: sup man what you been upto?
[22:17] <nlsthzn> compiledkernel: I see it as a "tool" it has it's uses, and you don't have to use it...
[22:18] <stlsaint> uh oh
[22:22] <compiledkernel> nlsthzn: to each his own
[22:22] <nlsthzn> compiledkernel: I agree... :)
[22:22] <compiledkernel> I just dont express my own opinion about what one should and should not do anymore
[22:22] <compiledkernel> I lack the desire to do that here.
[22:23] <nlsthzn> but you could raise an opinion on what one could and could not do... there is a difference ;)
[22:23] <compiledkernel> I dont even do that anymore nlsthzn
[22:23] <compiledkernel> what purpose would it serve
[22:23] <compiledkernel> my opinion has very little if any value anymore
[22:23] <compiledkernel> it hasnt for a long time.
[22:24] <nlsthzn> compiledkernel: to inform those who don't know? I come here seeking knowledge... and if those with knowledge withhold it... well, that sucks for me :(
[22:25] <compiledkernel> I would be scant to assume I would withhold any knowledge I do have
[22:25] <compiledkernel> an opinion does not necessarily constitute knowledge.
[22:25] <stlsaint> +1
[22:25] <nlsthzn> ok, I get you... the use of opinion may be a little off...
[22:26] <compiledkernel> it is perhaps so
[22:29] <compiledkernel> just what interests you then nlsthzn
[22:31] <nlsthzn> compiledkernel: PC's, the internet, FOSS, and several other geeky subjects :p
[22:31] <kingbahamut> there thats better
[22:31] <kingbahamut> but surely nlsthzn you have some more "specific pursuits"
[22:32] <nlsthzn> kingbahamut: not 100% sure what you mean?
[22:33] <kingbahamut> something specific
[22:33] <kingbahamut> like Netsec
[22:33] <kingbahamut> or
[22:33] <kingbahamut> Virtualization
[22:33] <kingbahamut> or something like that
[22:34] <kingbahamut> My specialties are in Netsec, Wireless/Cellular band networking, WAN routing stuff, and so forth.
[22:37] <nlsthzn> kingbahamut: I am not in IT, currently I am just happy in using Linux, getting to know it better (help myself with basics) and I love the idea of the community in Linux thus I try and give a little of the knowledge gained back via IRC, forums etc...
[22:38] <kingbahamut> that makes you moderator candidate then nlsthzn
[22:38] <kingbahamut> lol
[22:38] <kingbahamut> at least by my standards
[22:39] <kingbahamut> a long time ago, Kingbahamut used to recruit all the forum staff
[22:39] <kingbahamut> for those who remember
[22:40] <nlsthzn> kingbahamut: you been active in the Ubuntu community a long then I take it?
[22:42] <kingbahamut> nlsthzn: kb was long before that
[22:42] <kingbahamut> and compiledkernel equally
[22:42] <kingbahamut> ive been known under both names.
[22:43] <nlsthzn> kingbahamut: you seem very "down" about something...?
[22:43] <kingbahamut> nlsthzn: not really. I just have a very jaded view of things.
[22:44] <kingbahamut> Ive been around so long
[22:44] <kingbahamut> bodhizazen: was one of MY original mentorships
[22:44] <kingbahamut> though he will never admit it.
[22:44] <nlsthzn> :) good guy
[22:45] <brennydoogles> Hey all
[22:45] <kingbahamut> nlsthzn: As far as people here go
[22:45] <kingbahamut> Im the oldest community member in here
[22:45] <kingbahamut> as of right now, I believe.
[22:46] <nlsthzn> well, I am glad to have been able to have this conversation with you :)
[22:47] <stlsaint> kingbahamut: hehe
[22:48] <brennydoogles> So how's everyone doing?
[22:48] <brennydoogles> bodhizazen?
[22:48] <kingbahamut> lol nlsthzn some would consider good and bad.
[22:49] <stlsaint> brennydoogles: sup
[22:50] <brennydoogles> Not too much... you stlsaint ?
[22:50] <stlsaint> brennydoogles: server work :D
[22:50] <brennydoogles> lol
[22:50] <brennydoogles> sounds fun!
[22:50] <brennydoogles> What kind of server work?
[22:52] <SPooN> hi everyoone
[22:52] <brennydoogles> Hello SPooN
[22:53] <brennydoogles> So anyone a permissions troubleshooting guru?
[22:53] <stlsaint> brennydoogles: re-install, then setup vps ;)
[22:53] <stlsaint> brennydoogles: SPooN is
[22:53] <brennydoogles> stlsaint, I think you're in for a fun night!
[22:53] <nlsthzn> kingbahamut: :) well I consider good so cheers for your insights
[22:54] <kingbahamut> lol
[22:54] <kingbahamut> thank you nlsthzn , I think.
[22:54] <stlsaint> brennydoogles: well i do enjoy server work so...yea i am :D
[22:54] <brennydoogles> :)
[22:54] <brennydoogles> I have been doing server work all day actually stlsaint
[22:54] <brennydoogles> setting up SAMBA and NFS on a Fedora 12 server
[22:59] <stlsaint> oohhhh fedora
[22:59] <brennydoogles> I'm not a big fan
[22:59] <stlsaint> i dipped my toe in fedora and i quite like it
[22:59] <stlsaint> i will be putting it on another system ;)
[22:59] <brennydoogles> but it's not nearly as bad as the RedHat 9 server I had to use last semester
[23:00] <nlsthzn> isn't cutting edge and servers an oximoron>
[23:00] <nlsthzn> ?
[23:00] <brennydoogles> lol
[23:01] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: dont you mean bleeding edge?
[23:01] <brennydoogles> This thing was so hard to use because every 15-30 seconds you would get error messages printed to your terminal... even if you were currently using vi
[23:01] <nlsthzn> symantics ;)
[23:01] <yofel> define bleeding edge, I thankfully don't depend on it, but I do  have natty on my home server
[23:02] <brennydoogles> Random question... anyone want to help me with an issue?
[23:02] <yofel> define the question :P
[23:02] <nlsthzn> yofel: so far on the edge you have fallen off (but not noticed it yet ;))
[23:03] <yofel> :D
[23:03] <brennydoogles> I'm just going to post this here then :p  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1625947
[23:09] <bodhizazen> brennydoogles: F14 FTW !!!
[23:10] <brennydoogles> F14?
[23:10] <bodhizazen> brennydoogles: set up kerberos
[23:10] <brennydoogles> ah
[23:10] <bodhizazen> Fedora 14
[23:10] <brennydoogles> lol
[23:10] <brennydoogles> Is that what you're using now?
[23:10] <bodhizazen> yes
[23:10] <bodhizazen> for file sharing, kerberos + autofs
[23:11] <brennydoogles> cool
[23:11] <bodhizazen> kerberos encrypts the wireless traffic , so both my wife (wireless fan boi she is) and I (paranoid) are happy
[23:11] <bodhizazen> brennydoogles: do you know what autofs is ?
[23:12] <bodhizazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[23:12] <bodhizazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutofsLDAP
[23:12] <stlsaint> WooT!!
[23:12] <stlsaint> KERBEROS!!
[23:12] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: oh btw i passed N+ exam ;)
[23:13] <nlsthzn> stlsaint: congrats :)
[23:13] <bodhizazen> stlsaint: congrats
[23:13] <bodhizazen> kingbahamut: wrote the N+ exam =)
[23:13] <stlsaint> thank you, thank you
[23:13] <stlsaint> LMBO!
[23:13] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: doesnt seem to far fetched
[23:13] <SPooN> what is the N+ exam?
[23:14] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: after hearing i passed Sec+ exam the owner of the testing center offered me a job :D
[23:14] <nlsthzn> sweet
[23:14] <bodhizazen> soon you shall be teaching all stlsaint
[23:14] <stlsaint> SPooN: the CompTIA Networking+ exam
[23:15] <SPooN> ok sounds hard. Nice work stlsaint~
[23:15] <SPooN> !*
[23:15] <bodhizazen> nice to see people grow and learn stlsaint
[23:15] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: ha, not quite, i only got A+,N+ and Sec+, which between you,silver_fox, paultag, and ibuclaw is minute beans lol
[23:15] <nlsthzn> last thing IT related I did was MCSE back in the day of NT... was two exams away from finishing when I got a "real" job (and have been suffering with it ever since)
[23:16] <ibuclaw> is MCSE even worth anything nowadays?
[23:16] <bodhizazen> Not me, I am small potatoes, an amateur
[23:16] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: yea i am two away from MCSA, i will get it next year though and then onto MCSE, then the big coconuts: LP1/2
[23:17] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: meh, from my experience, yes
[23:17] <ibuclaw> as far as I'm aware, the MC qualifications have already expired
[23:17] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: will at least get you seen ahead of other folks without
[23:17] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: they are being done over yes, (from what i know)
[23:18] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: same with the CompTIA certs, taking them this year makes you certified for life, while taking them next year will require re-training every three years, which i get for free being already certified ;)
[23:19] <nlsthzn> was the reason I didn't push through with mine... because it was NT based and Win 2000 has just arrived it would only have been valid for about 8 months or something :( then I would have had to do it all again (and it was way expensive back in 1999-2000)
[23:20] <nlsthzn> I was thinking about doing something like N+, just to understand networking (especially wireless) more...
[23:22] <brennydoogles> bodhizazen, I wasn't familiar with it... sounds cool!
[23:23] <bodhizazen> brennydoogles: It works fantastic, unmounts the share when not in use and auto mounts the shares when needed, invisible to the "end user"
 Not me, I am small potatoes, an amateur
[23:29] <paultag> bodhizazen, dude, c'mon. Please
[23:29] <paultag> bodhizazen, you've taught me more then you realize, I think
[23:30] <stlsaint> paultag: (i think)
[23:30] <stlsaint> lol
[23:37] <bodhizazen> paultag: I think, therefore ...
[23:37] <bodhizazen> I am confused
[23:38] <bodhizazen> and you are too kind with your complements
[23:38]  * nlsthzn thinks bodhizazen is modest
[23:39]  * nlsthzn doesn't know him that well so he shouldn't jump to conclusions :)
[23:50] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: yea, hes not all he is cracked up to be ;)
[23:51] <nlsthzn> lol