[00:14] <BUGabundo> OMG
[00:15] <BUGabundo> what have you done to my precious frirefox 3.6.x??
[00:15] <BUGabundo> I badly need it?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> you can't upgrade it to 4.x while half off the addons don't support it!!!
[00:20] <BUGabundo> $:/var/cache/apt/archives$ sudo dpkg -i firefox_3.6.13~hg20101116r34737+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_amd64.deb
[00:20] <BUGabundo> there you go
[00:26] <bdrung> chrisccoulson, micahg: i finally sent the m-d changes mail to the mozext maintainer list.
[00:27] <bdrung> BUGabundo: adblock-plus is supported, but the package currently doesn't work ;)
[00:28] <BUGabundo> that's the least of my concerns
[00:28] <BUGabundo> no greasemonkey, no downthemall, nosquint, etc etc
[00:28] <bdrung> we have enough time to get the extensions working
[00:29] <BUGabundo> it never took me sooooo long to shitf browser version
[00:29] <BUGabundo> but ff4 is unusable to me in its current form
[00:29] <BUGabundo> and reverting to 3.6 is firing errors left and right
[00:30] <BUGabundo> okay, safemode works
[00:30] <bdrung> they switched ff in umd too?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> ahh gnome-support package missong
[00:36] <BUGabundo> why is Firefox being launched as default browser, when chromium is set as default one ????
[00:38] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, cool, thanks
[00:39] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, because URI handling has changed in glib, and chromium probably isn't *really*  your default, despite what the UI says
[00:39] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:39] <BUGabundo> FIX IT FIX IT
[00:40] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: i hope that i have explained it understandable
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, well, i've already sent a set of patches upstream for firefox
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> but it also needs fixing in gnome-control-center
[00:40] <chrisccoulson> and chromium
[00:41] <chrisccoulson> so, it will be fixed eventually ;)
[00:41] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:43] <chrisccoulson> it needs fixing in thunderbird and evolution too
[00:53] <micahg> bdrung: thanks, I"ll try to follow the discussion
[00:53] <micahg> BUGabundo: we'll get to the extensions, but most of the extensions shouldn't be in the archive anyways
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I mean in mozilla repo
[00:54] <BUGabundo> not in ubuntu
[00:56] <micahg> BUGabundo: hmm, I thought the major extensions were already compatible with beta 7
[00:56] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:56] <BUGabundo> for some *very* weird they are not
[00:57] <BUGabundo> if there were, I would have migrated LONG ago
[00:57] <BUGabundo> you know me, cutting edge
[00:57] <micahg> BUGabundo: I can only fix what's in the archive :)
[00:58] <BUGabundo> I know micahg
[00:58] <BUGabundo> but migrating *this* soon :\
[00:58] <micahg> BUGabundo: you can use the compatability tester and report to mozilla what works and what doesn't
[00:58] <BUGabundo> ?
[00:59] <BUGabundo> micahg: I can't even browse with ff 3 or 4
[00:59] <micahg> BUGabundo: on the addons that are not compatible, there should be a compatibility button
[00:59] <BUGabundo> once you open links it crashes
[00:59] <BUGabundo> reported the bug weeks ago
[00:59] <BUGabundo> no go :(
[01:35] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, if we waited for extension authors to catch up before migrating, then natty would not get FF4.0 ;)
[01:35] <chrisccoulson> we need to do it early really
[01:37] <BUGabundo> but that's what bugs me
[01:38] <BUGabundo> FF4 has been out for so long
[01:38] <BUGabundo> and soooo many relevant addons haven't been updated yet
[01:41] <chrisccoulson> well, there's a few reasons for that
[01:41] <chrisccoulson> 1 of them is that beta 7 is the point where the toolkit API settles down
[01:42] <chrisccoulson> and another reason is probably that debugging extensions is a pain, with venkman not working
[01:42] <chrisccoulson> i had that issue when porting ubufox :/
[02:01] <BUGabundo> nite
[04:37] <DanaG> hmm, official 4.0b7 has some funky stuff going on with tabs:
[04:37] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/Bad_Line-TclDx1EF.png
[04:37] <DanaG> Bad line... makes it look like tabs aren't really connected to the stuff underneath.
[04:37] <DanaG> And the app-tab is just plain floating.
[04:38] <micahg> DanaG: is this with upstream?
[04:38] <DanaG> Yeah.
[04:38] <DanaG> Haven't tried Ubuntu's builds in a while, because I got tired of having to hunt down 64-bit extensions and all that.
[04:38] <micahg> DanaG: well, our beta build should be ready tomorrow unless you're on natty in which case it's ready now
[04:38] <DanaG> I can try with Ubuntu again once it's on PPA.
[05:12] <DanaG> random off-topic: archlinux has negative 32 percent of Linux users: http://www.dudalibre.com/en/gnulinuxcounter
[09:35] <alik> Hi everyone!
[09:35] <alik> Guys please give me some advices.
[09:35] <alik>  
[09:35] <alik> 1. I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 with Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (20101027) and OpenOffice.org 3.2.0. When I edit a file with cyrillic name in OpenOffice and then want to send it with "File/Send/Document as Email" menu e.g. directly from OpenOffice Thunderbird mail composition window is opened and the file is attached but it's name is unreadable (not encoded properly) so this message won't send. Is it possible to fix it? I've read a "Thunderbird:Start Hacking" ar
[09:35] <alik>  
[09:35] <alik> 2. Why is it not possible to launch Thunderbird 3 in Ubuntu when user is authenticated against LDAP server?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ok that is freaky
[12:26] <ari-tczew> hmmm. seems to that firefox4 is not integrated with flash. very high RAM using
[12:44]  * gnomefreak still wondering why tabs where moved, Opera also has them above the address bar
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i thought chrome could export bookmarks as HTML but it doesnt give me a choice on how to save them
[13:11] <gnomefreak> fta: it seems i can not export Chromium's bookmarks with an extention (HTML would be great) but it saves it without an .extenion at all, is it bug or feature?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: you were talking about tab bar in FF4 being above address line(for lack of better word) well it seems that Opera11 does the same thing
[13:21] <gnomefreak> !info firefox natty
[13:21] <ubot2> gnomefreak: 'natty' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid, maverick
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[13:28] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 10975 kB, installed size 29632 kB
[13:28] <gnomefreak> ok good that should get fixed :)
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !info firefox natty
[13:28] <ubot2> gnomefreak: 'natty' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid, maverick
[13:38] <fta> gnomefreak, go to the bookmarks manager, then "organize", then export, you get an html page
[13:44] <gnomefreak> fta: ok ill look thanks
[13:49] <gnomefreak> fta: it doesnt let me save as html i had to add it to end of name but it doesnt make it an official html and is useless
[13:49] <fta> ?
[13:50] <fta> works for me
[13:50] <fta> it's a standard NETSCAPE-Bookmark-file
[13:53] <gnomefreak> fta: using your steps (as i was doing anyway) it only lets me save bookmarks in an odd format. it doesnt even give me a name for bookmarks. it will only let me save bookmarks as "application/ocett-stream" that is only choice
[13:56] <gnomefreak> !aptlock
[13:56] <ubot2> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:57] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[13:57] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 10975 kB, installed size 29632 kB
[13:57] <gnomefreak> damn
[13:58] <gnomefreak> !info firefox natty
[13:58] <ubot2> gnomefreak: 'natty' is not a valid distribution: hardy, jaunty, karmic, lucid, maverick
[14:06] <fta> gnomefreak, so what? just put a name. the result is an html page
[14:06] <fta> no one ever complained about that
[14:12] <gnomefreak> fta: i put .html after name but does that make .html valid
[14:14] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[14:14] <fta> gnomefreak, whatever you use as a name, the content is always an html file, there's no other option. use a ".html" suffix is you need one.
[14:14] <fta> -is+if
[14:14] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.10.10.1 (maverick), package size 11046 kB, installed size 29844 kB
[14:15] <gnomefreak> ok testing now
[14:16] <gnomefreak> i guess bot is still updating
[14:33] <gnomefreak> this is getting really really annoying. Script: jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox-4.0-4.0b8pre/omni.jar!/components/nsPlacesDBFlush.js:200 is unresponsive
[14:33] <gnomefreak> when importing bookmarks in ff4
[14:35] <gnomefreak> uessing its xul fault
[14:35] <gnomefreak> guessing even
[15:50] <dpm> fta, you seem to be having some success on getting LP bugs fixed \o/, I hope this brings chromium in launchpad one step closer: bug 669831
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 669831 in rosetta "obsolete translations exported to the branch (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669831
[16:48] <gnomefreak> trying to import chromiums bookmarks (added .html to the end) i get unresposive script. if i add from another .html file it works fine. this makes me think adding .html to end is _not_ a vaild .html file. there needs to be a way to import them
[16:55] <micahg> gnomefreak: try running file on the file to see what it is
[16:56] <gnomefreak> there is a command called file?
[16:57] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes :)
[16:57] <gnomefreak> im looking at --help atm
[16:58] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ file chrome-bookmarks.html
[16:58] <gnomefreak> chrome-bookmarks.html: exported SGML document text
[17:00] <gnomefreak> there is no way to choose a file type except the default and it is useless. its application/octet-stream
[17:00] <micahg> gnomefreak: maybe it'll like a .sgml extension?
[17:00] <gnomefreak> adding a feature to allow html or json would be great
[17:01] <gnomefreak> not sure but even if it does it is useless since other browsers wont import a .sgml file
[17:02] <gnomefreak> it would be great if it would give you a name for file and adding an extension to the name
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, the slow-down issue you have with firefox when typing - does it use the CPU when doing this?
[17:05]  * gnomefreak testing .sgml
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, mozilla bug 579488 might be related
[17:06] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 579488 in Graphics "typing in text entry box on twitter is incredibly slow (again)" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579488
[17:11] <gnomefreak> .sgml failed as well
[17:15] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: let me see
[17:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: oh gosh yes. I held the Enter key down and totally pegged my CPU. pressing 'Enter' once results in a small spike
[17:18] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: that bug seems different. I don't get the spike if I hold down 'a' for example. only 'Enter'
[17:32] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok, this is definitely a regression of 3.6 in maverick. I filed bug #677551 which includes a test case
[17:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 677551 in firefox (Ubuntu) "pressing Enter in a large textarea is very CPU intensive (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677551
[17:34] <jdstrand> s/regression of/regression over/
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it seems to be the rendering of the text which does it. if you press enter at the bottom of all the text, then it's ok
[17:36] <jdstrand> ah, I'll update the bug
[17:36] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I just testing on maverick, at the top of the page and held enter, and it worked fine with no CPU load
[17:37] <jdstrand> man
[17:37] <jdstrand> I just *tested*
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i can recreate it anyway. i guess i need to try and figure out a way of finding out what it's doing :/
[17:42] <jdstrand> alright
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, used sysprof before?
[17:50] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I have not, though it seems I have heard of it
[17:51] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: is it the stuff?
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i just asked in #developers on irc.mozilla.org, and somebody recommended it
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> so i'll try and figure it out now ;)
[17:51] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: heh. let me know how if it is cool or not
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> it's even in the archive :)
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> oops
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> when i run "sudo modprobe sysprof-module", i should make sure that my shell is running on the correct machine
[17:58] <jdstrand> heh
[18:07] <fta> dpm, yep, but it's tough to convince them. once bug 669831 lands, we're good to go. i'm already landing the new strings in the daily ppa. i have to tweak the inspector to make it use translations but that's independent.
[18:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 669831 in rosetta "obsolete translations exported to the branch (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669831
[18:12] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[18:12] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.10.10.1 (maverick), package size 11046 kB, installed size 29844 kB
[18:12] <gnomefreak> damnit
[18:13] <gnomefreak> !info firefox natty
[18:13] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0~b7+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 (natty), package size 10327 kB, installed size 24864 kB
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, well, i can see that firefox spends most of it's time in nsLineBreaker::AppendText, but that doesn't mean much to me yet ;)
[18:45] <jdstrand> heh
[18:46] <dpm> fta, awesome, thanks for the update.
[19:55] <micahg> mdeslaur: what do you think of comment 2 on bug 580523
[19:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 580523 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Flash Plugin / Update Manager / PROXY not being honored (affects: 3) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580523
[19:56] <mdeslaur> micahg: yes, that was discussed at UDS...I said I would fix that, so I'll assign myself to it
[19:56] <micahg> mdeslaur: great, thanks
[19:57] <mdeslaur> oh, nice, someone provided a patch :)
[19:58] <micahg> mdeslaur: right, that's why I'm asking you about it :)
[19:58] <mdeslaur> micahg: oh, cool :)
[19:58] <mdeslaur> micahg: hehe
[19:58]  * micahg can upload the package now, so was wondering if that's a good solution for the issue
[20:00] <mdeslaur> micahg: can I take a look monday morning? I need to think about it
[20:00] <micahg> mdeslaur: sure, I'll leave it for you
[20:01] <micahg> mdeslaur: if you like it and want to hand off the upload, I'm happy to do that
[20:03] <mdeslaur> micahg: I'm looking at it now, hold on a sec
[20:05] <mdeslaur> micahg: yeah, that looks fine. Feel free to upload
[20:06] <micahg> mdeslaur: ok, thanks
[20:06] <micahg> mdeslaur: I'll do it this weekend then
[20:07] <mdeslaur> micahg: cool, thanks!
[20:07] <micahg> mdeslaur: np, thank you for reviewing it
[20:12] <mdeslaur> micahg: could you give it a try without the "export" in there first
[20:13] <micahg> mdeslaur: isn't that the whole fix?
[20:15] <mdeslaur> micahg: hmm...yeah I guess
[20:15] <mdeslaur> micahg: forget what I just said :P
[20:17] <micahg> mdeslaur: if you'd like to think about it over the weekend, that's fine, I don't see a need to rush this as you just pushed out an update
[20:20] <mdeslaur> micahg: just make sure eval export doesn't print all the users ENV to the console or the apt log
[20:21] <micahg> mdeslaur: ok
[20:23] <micahg> mdeslaur: I'm wondering why eval is needed at all
[20:26] <mdeslaur> micahg: if none of the proxies are set in apt, export gets called with no arguments, so it dumps out the current list, which we don't want
[20:30] <micahg> mdeslaur: ah, yes, that's bad
[20:30] <micahg> and what would happen on my machine :)
[20:31] <micahg> mdeslaur: so, I'll assign this back to you for future thought
[20:32] <mdeslaur> micahg: ok :)