[00:01] entropy4: the netbios anounce [00:02] must be.. [00:03] * entropy4 makes a mental note for future occasions [00:03] (didn't think that would work to be honest) [00:03] the weird thing was that after setting up static dhcp, the dhcp server successfully entered the server's hostname into dns (confirmed by nslookup from windows box) but i still couldnt ping that hostname [00:04] entropy4: what dns service where the windows configured to use [00:07] the router [00:07] interesting [00:08] so ubuntu wasnt responding to pings to its hostname till samba was installed... or something.. [00:09] anyway thanks for your help ikonia - afk for awhile [00:09] entropy4: you fixed it yourself [00:10] I would have put money on samba not working [00:10] alright i completly restarted my apache install (all config files and everything) plus i reset my port forwarding on my router. can anyone walk me through setting up apache? (NAT is ON) [00:11] snake: what makes you think it's not working ? [00:11] ikonia, i try to connect and it doesn't work [00:11] snake: what was your private IP addres? 10.1.1.5 ? [00:11] ??? [00:12] you mean my external? [00:12] snake: you told me your private IP address earliaer [00:12] no your private [00:12] internal? [00:12] i don't know where to find private [00:12] 10.0.0.5 [00:12] you told me it was 10.0.0.5 earlier [00:13] is that the right address for your internal address ? [00:13] -_- yes but isn't that IP only on my network? [00:13] yes [00:13] snake: correct [00:13] when i type ifconfig [00:13] snake: telnet 10.0.0.5 80 [00:13] yes that works. [00:13] but [00:13] what about if my friend wants to connect [00:13] snake: then it's working and the problem is your nat [00:13] .... [00:13] snake: your nat is not working/being blocked [00:14] snake: some ISP's won't allow port 80 open [00:14] should i try another port? [00:14] snake: up to you, I personally think your nat is not setup [00:15] they don't give me very many options in NAT. [00:16] just 'opened' or 'secured' [00:16] what did you chose ? [00:16] choose [00:16] opened [00:16] after you told me about nat [00:16] snake: have you disabled the firewall on ubuntu, AND the one on the router ? [00:17] hang on, i have to find the one for my router and DESTROY it [00:17] err turn it off [00:19] I have a drbd question [00:20] The example in the ubuntu server guide works by mirroring two disks, one in each host. [00:20] If I want a RAID1 on each host, should I do an mdadm RAID1, and then run drbd on top? Or can/should I tell drbd to do the local mirroring, too? [00:21] twb: for me, I'd use mdadm [00:21] twb: raid1 is for local mirroring [00:22] Right, I want a RAID1 array on each host, and then to use drbd to mirror the "master" host's array to the "slave" host's array [00:22] twb: seems reasonable [00:22] twb: it's device block level so host1@md0 -> host2@md0 seems reasonable [00:22] Nod. [00:23] Also, in lucid can I create a whole-disk drdb-slaved md RAID1, and then create partitions *inside* that? [00:23] HIstorically you couldn't partiton an mdadm array, but IIRC that changed recently [00:23] twb: I wouldn't use mdadm on a disk, but only partitions, but that's just my personal experience [00:23] Plan B is to do it the old way -- partition each disk normally, then create raid1 mirror and drdb-slaving for each partition separately [00:24] twb: I personally like plan b [00:24] okey dokey [00:24] (just personal preference though) === dannf_afk is now known as dannf [00:40] ikonia: do I have to compile the drbd kernel module? [00:42] Looks like it's using DKMS and choking because I'm in a chroot :-/ === marfarma_ is now known as marfarma [02:27] In lucid, what's the option to tell plymouth not to mess with my video at all? [02:27] For some reason I have a faulty host that stops signalling AT ALL when vga16fb/vesafb load [02:28] I've been trying things like vga=normal, video=vga16fb, video=vesafb:disable [02:41] twb: I don't remember offhand but its on the wiki under the kernelmodeswitch stuff [03:36] OK, so I have tried to set up drbd per ubuntu-serverguide_10.04, but I can't tell if it's working. [03:39] Is there a channel for drbd? [03:54] On the primary, http://paste.debian.net/100180/ [03:54] AFAICT the primary can't see the secondary [04:02] OK, progress: http://paste.debian.net/100181/ [04:05] Finally, I found a problem to fix! [ 316.949668] block drbd0: The peer's disk size is too small! [04:09] That's it! [04:09] It's working! [04:09] Mua ha ha [04:15] twb, how many nodes ? [04:28] two [04:28] three [04:38] UndiFineD: so now I have it working for /srv, I need it to work for / [04:38] ^^ nice [04:38] UndiFineD: Error: "^" is not a valid command. [05:23] hello [06:55] hey guys is anyone alive in here i need some help [06:56] is it possible to not have ones home folder encrypted after it has been setup that way? [06:56] I'm alive but I'm still a bit of a n00b [06:57] sigh ok [06:57] i dont wanna have to reformat my server over dovecot not liking an encrypted home dir [06:59] nobody else here [06:59] !encryption [06:59] For information on setting up encrypted private directories (8.10+) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory [07:01] what do you know... answer found after hitting page down a couple times [07:02] waiting on the page to load crimynal [07:03] you on a 12 boad modem or something? [07:03] no [07:03] university is heavily filtered :( [07:04] why the hell would you filter help.ubuntu.com? sounds more like you got put on bandwidth restriction for too much uploading [07:05] i dont upload [07:05] odd [07:05] we are on a 6mbps adsl connection [07:05] for close to 450 students [07:05] ffs [07:06] i'm on fios... for just me [07:06] fios? [07:06] yeah... its a verizon service, about 5-7x faster than your university's connection [07:07] nice [07:08] at home im on 10mbps cable business line [07:08] 6mbps dsl for 400 students? That cant be right [07:08] ashtray: ya this school has issues [07:08] wifi infrastructure sucks major [07:09] any trouble loading web pages? [07:09] ha some pages [07:09] i imagine youtube is out of the question [07:09] they blocked all web based emails like gmail [07:09] the wiki [07:09] no [07:09] funnily enough [07:09] at least last i checked it wasnt [07:10] thats messed [07:10] i managed to get to u tube [07:10] If you can watch videos you must be on more than a 6mbps adsl line [07:10] they take some time to download and buffer [07:11] i'm getting 30Mb/s down and 25Mb/s up.... and my school encouraged forwarding your email through gmail [07:11] im fedup of gmail [07:11] starting my own business and i setup my own email server for my business running it on my 10mbps atm [07:12] what email software are u running [07:12] i'm looking for some email software for linux [07:12] for smtp [07:12] & imap === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew [07:12] lamps? [07:13] crimynal: nope [07:13] ashtray: im using postfix + dovecot :) [07:13] dovecot i have setup to use imaps [07:13] thats web software crimynal [07:13] then i have web based squirrelmail [07:13] what type of linux are you running [07:13] just make sure your home directory isnt encrypted [07:13] ubuntu server lol [07:13] i followed the guides [07:13] !dovecot | ashtray [07:13] ashtray: IMAP and POP are protocols for fetching email. The officially-supported server in Ubuntu is Dovecot (packages "dovecot-imapd" for IMAP, and "dovecot-pop3d" for POP) - See also !MailServer for information on the SMTP protocol [07:13] !postfix [07:13] postfix is the default !MTA and !MDA on Ubuntu. For help, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto - See also !MailServer [07:13] thats what im using [07:14] accounts are system accounts that are checked against the shadow file [07:14] !MailServer [07:14] Ubuntu supports the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) and provides mail server software of many kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation, or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html [07:14] lol [07:14] i have them setup [07:14] but for some reason dovecot seems to hate an encrypted home directory [07:14] I'm going to be using EC2 though. So my ubuntu will already be setup. I need to know what i should run for smtp [07:15] ashtray: you can setup your own personal cloud [07:15] using ubuntu-server [07:15] eagles, stupid question here.... home directory isn't encrypted by default is it? [07:15] no [07:15] its specified during installation [07:15] didnt think so. I've been having an RSA problem and thought maybe that was it for a sec [07:15] and i need to find out if its possible to having it not be encrypted after install [07:15] ashtray: O_o [07:16] i can set up my own personal cloud using ubuntu-server....hmmm [07:16] umm whatchou talkin bout eagles [07:16] !cloud [07:16] stupid bot [07:16] hold on ashtray [07:16] you mean on ec2 launch an ubuntu instance? [07:16] ok [07:16] no ubuntu instance [07:16] a private instance for your own personal cloud [07:17] hey guys, just installed apache2 and mysql to host my VtigerCRM software i'm working on getting setup.. now that my server is installed and running which user should adminster this server? [07:18] banker247_: not the root user just your user name you setup on the server then you sudo to edit the conf files etc [07:18] mysql i would create a 2nd user thats got full permissions and not use the root user for mysql [07:18] ashtray: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private [07:19] i was reading that earlier [07:19] if your interested in doing something at home no expense and you gain cloud experience [07:19] its on canicals server? [07:19] no [07:19] your own servers [07:19] eagles0513875, i'm a bit confused as to who the "root user" is .. is it my login? that i sudo to root with? [07:19] I only have my desktop... is that enough? [07:19] you need at least 2 machines :( [07:19] i only have 1 login for my box.. when i want to run commands as root i sudo [07:19] fuck me [07:20] !language | ashtray [07:20] ashtray: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [07:21] I guess if I want to practice or something I will have to set up a VPC in amazon? [07:21] !sudo | banker247_ [07:21] banker247_: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli ) . Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [07:21] thats just as good right? [07:21] banker247_: you would sudo from your current account your on lets say if its banker247_ you just run sudo COMMAND password you used to login [07:22] ashtray: everyone has their own opinions about things [07:22] your opinion? [07:22] being a student and on a tight budget [07:22] i would setup a small one on my own hardware [07:22] eagles0513875, yup thats what i've been doing.. so by what you're saying when i did sudo apt-get install apache2 the apache2 installed under root? [07:23] ashtray, you can build your own box fairly good quality with under 100 bux ;) [07:23] thats the onlyw ay youll be able to install anything as there are some locations for files like /etc you cant modify without being sudo [07:23] I dont have 100. I'm poorer than a college student. lol [07:23] ashtray, you in USA? [07:24] lol [07:24] yeah virginia [07:24] ashtray: i am a student with no job [07:24] near DC [07:24] over 18? [07:24] yeah [07:24] and here i am working on starting my own business [07:24] calla craigslist add mow do some gen labor and you can make few hundos [07:24] ;) [07:24] anyhow.. check craigslist sometimes people are GIVING.. away computers [07:25] broken ones or what not.. just salvage em.. [07:25] thing is banker247_ [07:25] what about a ppc? [07:25] Could I just use a ppc as my second computer? [07:25] from what i was told you need a machine that supports virtualization at the hardware level [07:25] ppc = pocket pc [07:25] oh ok [07:25] with out hardware virtualization performance is lacking [07:25] i didn't think older machines would support virtualization [07:26] doesn't need to be older.. sometimes people give away new broken stuff [07:26] or a business going out of business liquidates.. its all over just look around [07:26] i'm 27... been toying with computers since i was 12 or so.. i used to build my own just from hitting up local businesses and taking their broken things.. i dont know if things have changed.. [07:27] but i mean.. alot of these rigs within 5 years are comming with decent vid cards in them.. [07:27] ya but you dont need a fancy graphics card for a server banker247_ [07:27] here's a good starting point.. go on craigslist.. check your local area.. search for free [07:27] good idea [07:28] eagles0513875, yea thats what i mean.. so he shouldn't have a problem [07:28] ashtray, or get a job ;) [07:28] okay and back to reality ;) [07:28] im thinking of building a new i7 desktop and turning my core 2 quad into a server [07:28] have to wait for its ram to return had to rma back to corsair [07:29] ashtray, i gaurantee.. if you put effort into it you can find what you need via craigslist or garage sales.. if you don't want to get a job.. i mean there are ways of getting things done my friend [07:29] so what should the minimum specs be on a computer for virtualization? [07:29] ram is key [07:30] the more ram the more vms you can fit on it [07:30] my quad has 8gb of ram [07:30] so i coudl support up to 8 vms with 1gb per vm [07:30] or less or more [07:30] depends [07:32] eagles0513875, i've been learning linux for the last 6 months or so and i have to ask.. linux power users i'll assume you'd be one.. do you guys do pretty much everything out of the CLI? or you use the GUI at all really? [07:33] banker247_: on ubuntu there is a file called the sudoers file [07:33] and if a user is in there then they have super user privs [07:33] if not they are a normal user with out super users privs [07:34] eagles0513875, that went above my head [07:38] !root | banker247_ [07:38] banker247_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [07:39] haha [07:42] wb ashtray [07:42] wait you didnt leave that was someone else [07:43] nope. i'm waiting for the movie Inception to finish unzipping. Then I'm off to windblows because ubuntu can't play 1080 that well. [07:47] This movie is has so far taken 10 minutes to unzip and its not finished. insane. [07:54] this makes no sense [07:56] any dovecot experts in here [08:06] hey coffeedude [08:06] mornign twb [08:21] any dovecot experts in here i have a question [08:21] and something im rather puzzled about [08:22] drwx------ 18 jonathan dovecot 4096 2010-11-19 06:41 Maildir <--- when the group is dovecot my email works like a charm when the group is jonathan like it says in the wiki i have permission issues [08:22] my home directory where my Maildir is is encrypted im not sure if that has anythign to do with it [08:25] eagles0513875: unencypt it, or re-create the partition [08:25] twb: how did you progress with your mirroring ? [08:25] ikonia: do you have any site i have been searching for something that will tell me how to permanently unencrypt my home directory but cant find anything [08:26] drbd or aoe? [08:26] eagles0513875: how did you encrypt it ? [08:26] twb: drbd [08:27] ikonia: during install it asked me if i wanted to encrypt my home directory and i hit yes and i checked and its using encryptfs [08:27] eagles0513875: if it was me, I'd copy the data off, blank the partition and put the data back [08:27] :-/ [08:28] how does it work though with the group as dovecot and then if i change the group to jonathan it gives me hell [08:28] eagles0513875: or your could look on the first hit on google http://virtually-a-machine.blogspot.com/2010/08/howto-disable-ecryptfs.html [08:28] thats what im still trying to figure out and understand [08:28] eagles0513875: what are you on about "groups" [08:29] drwx------ 18 jonathan dovecot 4096 2010-11-19 06:41 Maildir <--- if i change dovecot to jonathan i get an error which complains about the /home/jonathan/Maildir not haveing +w which it does [08:29] eagles0513875: not for the user dovecot it doesn't [08:29] or ght egroup [08:29] eagles0513875: look at your permissions only the OWNER has permissions [08:30] dovegot is the group [08:30] dovecot even [08:30] i know but when i have the group set to jonathan though [08:30] i get this error Nov 19 08:53:23 eagle dovecot: IMAP(jonathan): mkdir(/home/jonathan/Maildir/cur) failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(jonathan) egid=1000(jonathan) missing +w perm: /home/jonathan) [08:30] the permissions are right according to the wiki i chmod 700 on that folder and all subfolders [08:31] shouldn't be 700 on all sub folders [08:31] the wiki says otherwise [08:31] the ubuntu dovecot wiki [08:31] eagles0513875: show me the URL [08:32] ikonia: I got it working for /srv, but not booting from drbd [08:32] twb: ahhh booting, bold move. [08:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot ikonia [08:33] eagles0513875: then it's wrong [08:33] what should the appropriate permissions on the directory be [08:33] as well the user and group are fine as is? [08:33] eagles0513875: your running the dovecot process to delivery mail - it's the group dovecot, how can something with no access that directory be expected to deliver mail [08:33] or "read mail" I should say [08:33] not deliver [08:33] ikonia: it doesnt deliver it but when i restart dovecot it works [08:34] which i find very odd as well [08:34] so the way it is now is ok the way i have it? [08:36] ikonia: the way i have it now is fine or its still not right? [08:36] hang on [08:36] just taling to someone [08:37] ok [08:38] talking even [08:38] eagles0513875: your just using dovecot for imap yes ? [08:39] imaps yes [08:39] so the permissions on your home dirs maildir needs to be something that obviously you own, but dovecot can read/write to - what user are you running dovecot as ? [08:42] ikonia: thats the htop past of all dovecot related threads [08:42] ? [08:42] what is [08:42] whoops [08:42] here it is sry bout that ikonia http://pastebin.com/TNcAhrST [08:43] eagles0513875: I don't want a process list [08:43] eagles0513875: I want to know what user your running dovecot as [08:43] how can i determine that [08:44] eagles0513875: your running your own business as an ISP and hosting provider, come on [08:45] right now email im using for personal email nobody else [08:45] so ? [08:45] as someone who runs a hosting business for companies, you should be able to tell me what user a process is running as [08:45] root [08:46] are you sure ? [08:46] yes [08:46] so then the group/user permissions would not matter as root can do what it wants [08:47] heh, this is fun to watch... [08:47] ok ikonia [08:47] * eagles0513875 has to head to class [08:47] thanks for your help ikonia [08:47] I thought you'd have to leave [08:47] and your welcome [08:47] no no, come back, i haven't finished my popcorn! [08:48] * eagles0513875 slaps rdw200169 [08:48] ikonia: last question [08:48] where would be the best place to discuss wiki updates [08:48] eagles0513875: you can change the wiki - it's public [08:49] ok might just end up doing that [08:49] change it to what ? [08:49] what needs changing [08:49] not entirely but the dovecot one needs some updating [08:49] from what I'm reading it looks fine [08:49] what bout the cmod -R 700 the step before that [08:49] why ? what's wrong with it [08:49] myuser mygroup would be jonathan jonathan [08:50] that's fine, your running dovecot as root [08:50] humm ok [08:50] if i wasnt [08:50] but you are [08:50] just a curiosity question here [08:50] if i wasnt though [08:50] the user would be jonathan jonathan or jonathan dovecot [08:50] why would you change a guide to something your not [08:50] but you are [08:50] I have new 2TB disks. the installer wants me to create GPT disk labels; is there any reason I *should not* continue using msdos disk labels? [08:51] eagles0513875: think about it - something would need to write the that dir, the writing thing would need write access to mail dir to read/write to your mail box [08:52] twb: I believe msdos partitions can't support 2TB partitions [08:52] twb: I actually think eagles0513875 had his issue a while back [08:52] ya i did [08:52] ikonia: partman seems to disagree, fwiw [08:52] but ikonia turned out bad ram [08:52] errors galore [08:52] just sent it rma [08:52] eagles0513875: your disk problem turned out to be ram [08:53] really ? [08:53] ikonia: ill see once i get the ram back if i still have issues or otherwise [08:53] how odd/interesting [08:54] if the user and group are jonathan and the folder has rwx access shouldnt that still work [08:54] or would the group need rwx permissions as well [08:55] eagles0513875: it doesn't matter your running as root [08:55] ok [08:55] it's not running as root [08:55] if your running as root it can go through those permissions fine [08:55] shauno: he said it was ? [08:56] http://pastebin.com/CTi5QMqv dovecot-auth and saslauthd are root, everything else is user dovecot, or user jonathan [08:56] shauno: exactly [08:57] /usr/sbin/dovecot is running as root, but not all it's children are [08:57] ill be back [08:57] need to relocate [09:08] back [09:09] shauno: is the user and group fine as jonathan dovecot? [09:09] eagles0513875: it depends who owns the process [09:09] if the process is owned by dovecot as your ps shows - no [09:09] as how can the user dovecot access something it has no access to [09:10] if the process is owned as Jonathan, then yes, as jonathan owns it [09:10] work it through in your head [09:10] since the ps shows a mix what do i do? [09:10] eagles0513875: I would suggest shutting everything down, and then on restart watch what happens [09:11] start up starts up fine im going by what is written in the logs [09:11] I didn't say it won't start up [09:11] I said watch what happens [09:11] what processes are running at start and owned by who [09:11] and now apache is acting up O_o cuz squirrelmail isnt loading [09:12] what happens when you connect - who luanches that process [09:15] parent process is started as root [09:16] child processes are dovecot ikonia [09:16] eagles0513875: ok - so work it through, if the directory is owned by Jonathan, and only the owner has access, will they be able to read/write to your maildir ? [09:18] so the group dovecot needs rwx permissions as well [09:19] eagles0513875: well, that's one possible solution, or make the process start as the mailbox owner (which it should do when you connect and auth) [09:19] eagles0513875: just work it through logically [09:19] ya i am will adjust the group permissions to have rwx [09:20] twb: "msdos" part tables support up to 2 TB. [09:21] thanks ikonia [09:21] twb: I'm not sure why the installer would switch to GPT if it's smaller than that. [09:21] My disks are labelled 2tb (i.e. equal, not less) [09:21] twb: That could mean at least 3 different things. [09:22] SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 2.0 TB ATA WDC WD2001FASS-0 │ [09:22]