| DeathSling | night all | 00:31 |
|---|---|---|
| AlanBell | morning all | 06:30 |
| Arigead | AlanBell: morning back to you. Bit of an early bird but then that depends on where in the world you are. | 06:44 |
| MartijnVdS | morning everyone | 08:07 |
| diplo | morning | 08:08 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Glowing bio-LED trees could replace street lights: http://is.gd/hp3zP Is that cool or what? | 08:51 |
| finelytuned | o/ | 08:53 |
| MartijnVdS | would be annoying though | 08:53 |
| MartijnVdS | you can turn off street lights if you have to | 08:53 |
| finelytuned | MartijnVdS: i'm gonna do some more study today... so might have some newb problems i'll need help with if your on here | 08:54 |
| BigRedS | bioLED? where's the 'd' bit? | 08:54 |
| screen-x | morning :) | 08:56 |
| finelytuned | morning screen-x | 08:56 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | BigRedS: Dunno. Maybe each leaf is a diode? | 08:59 |
| BigRedS | TheOpenSourcerer: Haha, perhaps. I suppose 'led' has come to mean 'modern light source' rather than, well, LED... | 09:00 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | afternoon czajkowski | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: ping free for a call later on | 09:10 |
| mattt | soooo tired | 09:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | czajkowski: AlanBell is out at the moment, networking in Godalming | 09:11 |
| czajkowski | where? | 09:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | in Godalming | 09:14 |
| czajkowski | *googles* doesnt sound like a real place | 09:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It is a very nice small town not far from Guildford. | 09:15 |
| czajkowski | ahhh | 09:16 |
| czajkowski | ok thanks | 09:16 |
| czajkowski | shall poke him later re some event | 09:16 |
| czajkowski | thank you | 09:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | np | 09:16 |
| AlanBell | back now | 09:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | that was quick | 09:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nice - Francis Maude: "I want to personally encourage the army of armchair auditors to look at this information, scrutinise and question us and ensure that every penny of taxpayers money is being spent judiciously." | 09:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/19/francis-maude-government-data-published | 09:21 |
| AlanBell | yes, didn't hang about today, had to get back for the piano tuner | 09:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Our came last week | 09:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | s\Our\Ours | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | we have *very* different pianos | 09:22 |
| popey | morning all | 09:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lo popey | 09:22 |
| finelytuned | o/ popey | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | my piano is not finelytuned | 09:23 |
| finelytuned | ouchies | 09:23 |
| finelytuned | :) | 09:24 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: when is good for a call re event today? | 09:24 |
| AlanBell | any time this afternoon | 09:25 |
| * popey notes that working around the nasty work proxy is useful | 09:29 | |
| popey | unfortunately once co-workers know about it I end up having to print stuff like this http://www.curchods.com/display/104703?n=7 | 09:29 |
| popey | because the estate agent links their pictures directly to IP address hosts, not hostnamed hosts, so thats blocked | 09:30 |
| MartijnVdS | *facepalm* | 09:34 |
| * screen-x is moving forward in the queue and will be connected to an advisor shortly | 09:37 | |
| popey | ooo reminds me, need to call apple | 09:38 |
| gord | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/229961 huh, £55 for a hd media player - interesting machine | 09:39 |
| popey | that is an interesting device gord | 09:43 |
| screen-x | gord: no NIC, but maybe could do something with that usb socket.. | 09:43 |
| * popey has an apple usb to ethernet device | 09:44 | |
| popey | and a nintendo one :) | 09:44 |
| screen-x | popey: you have an MBA as well? | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | do they work in Ubuntu? | 09:45 |
| popey | no | 09:45 |
| popey | MartijnVdS: yes | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: with or without dirty hacks? | 09:46 |
| popey | just works | 09:46 |
| jpds | popey: Do you find that it adds overhead? | 09:46 |
| popey | do i find what adds overhead to what? | 09:46 |
| gord | to the giggybytes? | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | "is it laggy" | 09:47 |
| popey | not sure what you mean | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: well, with some USB disks you notice it's USB because it is (or "feels") slower | 09:49 |
| MartijnVdS | We're wondering if that's the case with usb-ethernet as well | 09:50 |
| gmb | Can anyone recommend a good DAS unit that supports RAID0,1, has a FireWire 400/800 interface and either comes with (at least) 2x1TB drive or is an empty shell which will happily support up to 2x2TB? | 09:50 |
| MartijnVdS | gmb: and a pony? | 09:50 |
| gmb | MartijnVdS: And a plastic rocket. | 09:50 |
| popey | gmb: EDGE10 | 09:50 |
| gmb | popey: I thought that was USB and eSATA | 09:50 |
| popey | oh, duh, sorry | 09:50 |
| popey | buy my drobo off me then :) | 09:51 |
| danfish | morning | 09:51 |
| gmb | Hahahahaah. | 09:51 |
| kazade | morning all | 09:51 |
| popey | (it has fw) | 09:51 |
| screen-x | gmb why fw? | 09:51 |
| gmb | popey: Between you and Drew Gardner I've been absolutely convinced not to do that. | 09:51 |
| popey | excellent, good man | 09:51 |
| popey | morning kazade | 09:51 |
| kazade | popey, https://launchpad.net/platformation | 09:51 |
| popey | MartijnVdS: not noticed, but not tested very much, will test later tonight if you remind me | 09:51 |
| gmb | screen-x: MacBook Pro has USB or FireWire, no eSATA. And I need to shift large amounts of data (images and video) at speed. | 09:51 |
| kazade | Got round to registering it just now :) | 09:52 |
| popey | yay | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: did you manage to fit all the snow-preparation stuff in your car btw? | 09:52 |
| screen-x | gmb: that's the only time I've used fw800 :) | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | ;) | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | gmb: gig-e ;) | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | gmb: macbooks also have that | 09:53 |
| gmb | MartijnVdS: True, but I'd like to not have to upgrade my somewhat crappy network infrastructure whilst I'm at it. | 09:53 |
| popey | :) MartijnVdS | 09:53 |
| daubers | o/ | 10:02 |
| screen-x | morning daubers :) | 10:02 |
| daubers | gmb: NFS is your friend in that situation :) | 10:04 |
| * daubers quite often shifts data around at 108+MB/s | 10:06 | |
| MartijnVdS | hmmmm data | 10:06 |
| gmb | daubers: See above re: crappy network. But point taken. | 10:06 |
| daubers | gmb: Take a small shuttle PC with a 2/3disk raid to the desk, crossover between them, NFS to it, move on :) | 10:07 |
| daubers | If ones a MBP you can actually make it a firewire target | 10:08 |
| * popey coughs up a drobo | 10:08 | |
| daubers | gmb: Hold down T while it's booting, it'll become a firewire target | 10:08 |
| gmb | daubers: I like your thinking :) | 10:08 |
| screen-x | target disk mode.. why on earth is that in firmware rather than OS? | 10:08 |
| daubers | screen-x: I'd imagine it's something on the board that does it. Part of the EFI somewhere | 10:09 |
| popey | gmb: setup a new network? buy a GbE switch and just have the storage and the mbp on it | 10:10 |
| screen-x | daubers: would useful if you could do it from disk utility | 10:10 |
| shauno | I'm not sure exporting the entire physical disk as a read-write target would be sensible while there's an OS running on it | 10:10 |
| screen-x | shauno: yeah, but you may have another disk you want to export | 10:11 |
| popey | in a laptop? | 10:11 |
| screen-x | or partition etc | 10:11 |
| popey | unlikely on a mac | 10:11 |
| daubers | popey: Mac Pros do it too | 10:11 |
| popey | yes | 10:11 |
| popey | thats what I'm saying | 10:11 |
| popey | 10:11:04 < screen-x> shauno: yeah, but you may have another disk you want to export | 10:11 |
| daubers | mac pros can take 4 disks by default, come with caddies too | 10:11 |
| popey | 10:11:12 < popey> in a laptop? | 10:11 |
| screen-x | maybe partition wouldn't work | 10:11 |
| popey | oh, desktops? | 10:11 |
| daubers | popey: I think we've moved away from gmb's specific case | 10:12 |
| shauno | I'm sure there's 101 ways to export a filesystem or block device over a network. having target-disk being no-os has saved my skin many times | 10:12 |
| * popey considers himself shutup | 10:12 | |
| daubers | popey: Yep, mac pro, not macbook pro :) | 10:12 |
| gmb | If anyone has a Mac Pro they want to give me, I'm open to it. | 10:12 |
| daubers | gmb: What are you taking the data too off the MBP? | 10:13 |
| * screen-x imagines some trade show booth giving away branded mac pros | 10:13 | |
| daubers | screen-x: Razorlab laser etches the, | 10:13 |
| daubers | them | 10:13 |
| daubers | screen-x: http://www.razorlab.co.uk/itattoo/ | 10:14 |
| Darael | ost of Linux | | 10:14 |
| Darael | What? | 10:14 |
| Darael | Whoops. | 10:14 |
| Darael | Sorry. | 10:14 |
| gmb | daubers: I'm not sure I understand your question. | 10:18 |
| daubers | gmb: Is this a one shot thing or something that will become regular? | 10:18 |
| daubers | gmb: Also are you going from MBP -> ? or ? -> MBP? | 10:19 |
| gmb | daubers: Regular. Basically I'll be dumping large wodges (4GB+) of data (images, videos, audio) onto it and then editing them from the MBP. | 10:19 |
| popey | 10:11:12 < popey> in a laptop? | 10:19 |
| popey | oops | 10:19 |
| daubers | gmb: What data rate video (also, welcome to my office :) ) | 10:19 |
| daubers | gmb: Also is this a company thing or a personal thing? | 10:20 |
| gmb | daubers: Personal. We're talking video from a 5D or D7000, so it's about 38Mb/s, I'd expect. | 10:22 |
| gmb | I'm taking a punt on the bitrate of the D7000, but it's a reasonable ballpark. | 10:22 |
| daubers | gmb: A lot of people in your situation use something like http://www.lacie.com/uk/products/product.htm?pid=11142 but in a post house they'd use either a fibre san (depending on no. seats) or a nice big raid connected over nfs | 10:22 |
| gmb | daubers: Yeah, as a one man op the LaCie is tempting. I've heard bad things about noise levels from it (which is irritating if you're recording VOs) | 10:23 |
| daubers | gmb: RAID is normally on it's own isolated network to reduce traffic and switches coughing at latency | 10:24 |
| gmb | daubers: Right. A crossover is about as isolated as it gets :) | 10:24 |
| daubers | gmb: If you're looking at spending £lots you can build a small linux box with 4/5 disks in raid 5, you'll easily saturate GigE over NFS | 10:25 |
| popey | how portable does it need to be? | 10:26 |
| gmb | daubers: I think I'll start with £NotALot :) | 10:26 |
| gmb | popey: Not very. | 10:26 |
| popey | studio based? | 10:26 |
| daubers | gmb: But if the data is coming off a different machine, get a firewire cable and hold T when you boot the MBP, that makes the MBP into a firewire drive | 10:26 |
| gmb | daubers: Noted, thanks. | 10:27 |
| daubers | gmb: You can then transfer stuff onto the MBP from $another machine | 10:27 |
| gmb | popey: No, but I've got other plans for portable storage (i.e. I'll mostly edit at home anyway, but the RAID is going to be the canonical place for data to live). | 10:28 |
| popey | I'd still get an edge10 and GbE | 10:28 |
| gmb | popey: Maybe that's the way to go. After all, I've had this router since 2003 and that's the bottleneck on the network. | 10:29 |
| popey | i have cable modem -> router/wifi -> GbE switch, everything is plugged into that. | 10:29 |
| popey | just an el-cheapo blue netgear one | 10:29 |
| gmb | popey: Ah, yes, that would work, too. | 10:30 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129220 | 10:30 |
| gmb | Ta | 10:32 |
| * gord presses his face against the window again waiting for the postman to come give him his networking shinys | 10:32 | |
| popey | i love my edge10 box | 10:32 |
| popey | not as well built as the drobo, but its lovely | 10:33 |
| daubers | gmb: Personally I'd (very biasedly) recommend http://gblabs.interads.co.uk/?q=node/13 but that's cause I built it | 10:33 |
| popey | also gmb you could get an esata pci express card for the mbp could you not? | 10:33 |
| popey | haha, overkill :) | 10:34 |
| daubers | popey: For his case, very much so :) | 10:34 |
| popey | is that a standard case? | 10:34 |
| popey | or custom | 10:35 |
| popey | also, get whoever makes that host to setup drupal correctly so you get nice urls | 10:35 |
| popey | ?q=node/13 is fugly | 10:35 |
| Phineas | hi guys | 10:35 |
| popey | hello | 10:35 |
| daubers | half and half, starts life as a standard one, then get's attacked with a cutting torch | 10:35 |
| popey | hah | 10:35 |
| daubers | popey: I know :( The web dev is on holiday so I can't get it fixed | 10:36 |
| Phineas | he he | 10:36 |
| Phineas | web dev? | 10:36 |
| daubers | web developer | 10:37 |
| gord | the difference between a good url and a bad one, i navigate launchpad entirely by fitting the right verbs and nouns into the right places in the url | 10:37 |
| gord | i navigate the rest of the web with google | 10:38 |
| Phineas | oh i see | 10:38 |
| daubers | googleh is teh w3b!!!! | 10:38 |
| Phineas | quite right comes in pretty handy sometimes | 10:40 |
| Phineas | daubers: comes in handy good 'ol google | 10:42 |
| Phineas | !ping | 10:42 |
| lubotu3 | pong | 10:42 |
| gmb | daubers, popey, screen-x: Thanks for the suggestions. Of course, I basically want to have enough money (and need) to have Chase Jarvis's setup (http://bit.ly/8YyY2V), but I'm British, so I'll scale it down a bit. | 10:46 |
| popey | am I the only one who hates that effect of jump zoom | 10:47 |
| gmb | popey: Yeah, but they're limited to what they can do when they're shooting on DSLRs. Whip-pans don't work because of the rolling shutter, so it's either jump zooms or Star Wars-style wipes. | 10:50 |
| MartijnVdS | gmb: star wars-style wipes rock though | 10:50 |
| daubers | gmb: You using FCP? | 10:50 |
| gord | *always* star wars wipes. never use anything else. | 10:50 |
| MartijnVdS | gmb: well that or jump zooms | 10:50 |
| gord | no, i'm with popey, i hate them | 10:51 |
| gmb | daubers: I'm experimenting with both FCP and Premier Pro CS5; Haven't decided which I prefer. | 10:51 |
| daubers | gmb: (FCP is much nice on storage....) | 10:51 |
| gmb | daubers: So I hear :) | 10:51 |
| gmb | Also, it crashes a damn sight less often. | 10:52 |
| popey | I also dislike the guy in that video even though I have the volume muted :) | 10:52 |
| popey | irrational, I know | 10:52 |
| gmb | popey: Which guy? | 10:52 |
| gmb | There's more than one. | 10:52 |
| daubers | gmb: Yeah, there is that. I quite like the UI in FCP tbh, didn't really get on with CS5 | 10:52 |
| popey | the main guy, not the big lad | 10:52 |
| popey | he is too attractive :) | 10:52 |
| popey | annoyingly so | 10:52 |
| gmb | popey: This has been noted in our house. | 10:52 |
| popey | :) | 10:53 |
| czajkowski | so the wrong time to look back at this screen | 11:01 |
| gmb | czajkowski: Why? Was it our A/V data nerdout or was it popey dissing Chase Jarvis for his looks? | 11:02 |
| czajkowski | the latter | 11:03 |
| popey | felt compelled to check him out huh? | 11:03 |
| shauno | I wish people wouldn't use shortners in contexts that don't require brevity. saves me the let-down of discovering it's a site that's blocked at work :( | 11:06 |
| andylockran | howdy guys | 11:07 |
| andylockran | is it possible to install ubuntu to a separate partition using wubi ? | 11:08 |
| andylockran | i.e. if I partition 200GB for Windows, I'm going to leave 300GB left on the disk for ubuntu.. | 11:08 |
| andylockran | would I be able to install that using wubi | 11:08 |
| BigRedS | I imagine it'd have trouble online resizing ntfs | 11:08 |
| BigRedS | oh, pre-partitioned | 11:09 |
| andylockran | just a wubi question rather than ubuntu one | 11:09 |
| andylockran | as I can install using ubuntu usb, but wondering if wubi was capable | 11:09 |
| popey | why use wubi? | 11:10 |
| andylockran | good point | 11:10 |
| andylockran | didn't have a CD drive this morning | 11:10 |
| andylockran | but just nicked one from next door | 11:11 |
| andylockran | therefore, the point is moot | 11:11 |
| popey | \o/ petty theft | 11:11 |
| andylockran | cheers popey | 11:11 |
| popey | np | 11:11 |
| AlanBell | shauno: use ubunt.eu \o/ | 11:11 |
| andylockran | next door = colleagues PC | 11:11 |
| shauno | AlanBell: it was the destination (youtube) that's blocked, not the shortener :) | 11:11 |
| popey | \o/ bypassing proxies | 11:12 |
| gord | \o/ toast | 11:12 |
| daubers | \o/ coffee | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | \o/ bourbon biscuits to go with coffee | 11:13 |
| gord | what? no. why would you buy bourbons when you could get custard creams? | 11:14 |
| popey | oooo ooo! | 11:14 |
| popey | I know this! | 11:14 |
| popey | chocolate | 11:15 |
| popey | also.. custard digestives.. | 11:15 |
| shauno | I try not to push my luck with proxies too much .. I dread the day they notice that I stay connected to 443 for 12 hours at a time | 11:15 |
| andylockran | hmm, I'd quite like a custard creme at the moment | 11:16 |
| andylockran | good call | 11:16 |
| andylockran | looking forward to the ubuntu monospace font | 11:16 |
| * popey listens to a bit of ELO | 11:16 | |
| andylockran | spend over 60% of my time in the terminal, so that'll make a nice little difference to me | 11:16 |
| popey | chaps.. | 11:17 |
| popey | what shall we talk about on uupc on monday | 11:17 |
| popey | we have no segments lined up | 11:17 |
| andylockran | me | 11:17 |
| popey | need two 15min segs | 11:17 |
| popey | thats 10 seconds sorted | 11:17 |
| popey | how about the other 29 mins and 50 seconds | 11:17 |
| matti | ;] | 11:17 |
| BigRedS | This super phoronix patch and how it's going to cure the common cold | 11:17 |
| BigRedS | ;) | 11:17 |
| popey | :) | 11:17 |
| popey | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2010 is a possibility | 11:17 |
| X3N | hum, just did a dist-upgrade and now all my notes are missing... :\ | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | popey: how unity's not as bad as everyone thinks it is? I've not listened for a little bit though, that might've been covered already. | 11:19 |
| popey | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/SegmentIdeasFromTheCommunityForUUPC is also available :) | 11:19 |
| AlanBell | talk about winter survival | 11:19 |
| popey | :) | 11:20 |
| shauno | I'm trying to avoid the unity topic until they've changed whatever 3d framework it's using | 11:20 |
| X3N | it's using compiz now | 11:21 |
| popey | barely | 11:22 |
| shauno | the version in 10.10 puts more load on my video card than civ4 (based purely on how obnoxious the fan is) | 11:23 |
| popey | ouch | 11:23 |
| shauno | I believe there's changes expected there, hence the 'wait and see' :) | 11:24 |
| danfish | popey: openrespect.org as a segment? | 11:24 |
| AlanBell | The christmas party is more news than a topic of conversation really | 11:27 |
| popey | ooo yes, will add to events | 11:27 |
| AlanBell | incidentally, only 8 people signed up so far, come on people: http://ubunt.eu/c2 | 11:28 |
| * daubers added it to the official "Matts allowed to do this" calender last night | 11:28 | |
| AlanBell | and bringing Mrs Daubers too | 11:32 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Indeed | 11:32 |
| BigRedS | Argh. It feels like Thunderbirds deliberately being obtuse with its 'sensible' defaults | 11:32 |
| * X3N feels he is going to be representing the youth of today again at The Hub | 11:33 | |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:33 |
| popey | incoming! | 11:33 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: no it's just out to annoy you is it working? | 11:33 |
| AlanBell | I am not doing so well at getting wifey along to events. "will it be all your geeky friends" "yes" "I will give it a miss" :( | 11:34 |
| popey | AlanBell: i find it helps if i mention other non-geek women will be there | 11:34 |
| AlanBell | yeah, tried that too | 11:35 |
| finelytuned | my wife still struggles with the fact that i talk to people on irc about a os........ dare i tell her about the pod cast?? | 11:35 |
| * davmor2 decides to nice to czajkowski causes it's Friday :D | 11:35 | |
| popey | :) | 11:35 |
| * popey collapses | 11:35 | |
| shauno | I always had that problem trying to explain why I was laughing at lugradio | 11:36 |
| davmor2 | popey: I'm feeling Good so I'm spreading the feel good feeling | 11:36 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: neutral good, chaotic good or lawful good? | 11:37 |
| davmor2 | popey: mind you it could be the new pain killers | 11:37 |
| daubers | AlanBell: The missus came to the RAT and quite enjoyed herself | 11:37 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Generally good :D | 11:37 |
| popey | AlanBell: does your missus work? | 11:37 |
| AlanBell | popey: a few days a month at a local school | 11:37 |
| popey | ah excellent! | 11:37 |
| popey | my wife works at a school | 11:38 |
| popey | common interest :) | 11:38 |
| AlanBell | so it is | 11:38 |
| AlanBell | I will try again, we are owed loads of babysitting so that isn't an issue | 11:38 |
| BigRedS | davmor2: it's doing its job wonderfully :/ | 11:41 |
| * czajkowski pours a bucket of ice cold water over davmor2 | 11:46 | |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: Ah can't ruin my day :P /me gives czajkowski a hug | 11:48 |
| andylockran | what's the default virtualisation platform on ubuntu | 11:49 |
| andylockran | need to load up a virtual image of centos on my machine, and wondering what to use | 11:49 |
| MartijnVdS | kvm | 11:49 |
| andylockran | ok, thanks . | 11:49 |
| X3N | There isn't a default is also the answer | 11:50 |
| AlanBell | Virtualbox if you want accelerated graphics | 11:50 |
| AlanBell | !kvm | 11:50 |
| lubotu3 | kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM | 11:50 |
| AlanBell | ^^ preferred | 11:50 |
| popey | ^^ AlanBell | 11:50 |
| danfish | virt-manager is a reasonable GUI for KVM | 11:50 |
| andylockran | looks like it needs hardware support | 11:51 |
| daubers | Your machine does need to support virtualisation at the HW level for kvm to work | 11:51 |
| andylockran | in teh cpu | 11:51 |
| andylockran | which unfortunately mine doesn#t | 11:51 |
| daubers | andylockran: Virtualbox | 11:51 |
| danfish | :( | 11:51 |
| danfish | not :( to virtualbox btw | 11:52 |
| andylockran | though vbox + oracle = future pain? | 11:52 |
| * daubers is currently installing an OSX server into VirtualBox | 11:52 | |
| daubers | andylockran: You could use qemu if it still exists | 11:52 |
| andylockran | daubers: is breaking license conditions ? | 11:52 |
| daubers | !qemu | 11:52 |
| lubotu3 | qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo | 11:52 |
| daubers | andylockran: It's on a mac! | 11:52 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer has OSX in VBox :-) | 11:54 | |
| * AlanBell likes virt-manager +KVM for remote machines and virtualbox for local ones | 11:54 | |
| * AlanBell now has a tuned piano | 11:54 | |
| * DJones wonders if the piano player has also been tuned? | 11:55 | |
| DJones | AlanBell: My wife is having lessons, we've got a piano downstairs which she practises on during the daytime, but evenings when I'm home, she uses a keyboard with a set of headphones (she says so I can't hear how bad she is) | 11:56 |
| jpds | Hmm, piano lessons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JQOSB8TeAs | 11:57 |
| AlanBell | DJones: I was planning to get a keyboard with headphones but was feeling poor and got a piano on ebay for free (buyer collects) | 11:57 |
| AlanBell | apparently it is pre- 1935 with art-deco legs | 11:57 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Yeah, our keyboard was free from my Gran, and the piano came free from a friend who needed the space | 11:58 |
| danfish | AlanBell: nice - who's it made by? | 11:59 |
| czajkowski | well that's a bit bloody annoying few free events I want to go to in london and trying to register for them and the website is being a brat! | 11:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | They know who you are czajkowski :-D | 12:01 |
| danfish | AlanBell: if it's a Steinberg or Steinway from 1930's they can be v valuable | 12:02 |
| andylockran | Yeah, they're lovely. | 12:03 |
| andylockran | I have an old Zender of a great-great aunt. | 12:03 |
| andylockran | Nothing quite like an old piano.. heavy like you wouldn't believe though. | 12:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol: http://blogs.techworld.com/on-the-frontline/2010/11/cisco-machismo-and-the-lan/index.htm | 12:04 |
| danfish | ooh ooh! Have a good old fashioned Cockney knee's up at the XMAS party :D | 12:04 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer 's wife's piano is a 1903 Bechstein parlour grand | 12:05 | |
| DJones | danfish: Our church got rid of a steinway grand piano earlier this year for £2K, it was ruined by cold/damp etc, needed £25K of refurbishment and would be valued at £35K in good condition, we didn't have the £25K for refurb, so got rid before it rotted even more | 12:05 |
| czajkowski | TheOpenSourcerer: :( | 12:05 |
| hoover | hi folks | 12:05 |
| awilkins | Ok - evangelism opportunity here ( to a large gov dept! ).... our current software project has now breached the limit of the 32-bit JVM on windows for heap space ... so line manager has asked me to prepare some 64-bit Ubuntu LiveUSBs with the software installed to run on our nice beefy 4GB laptops ; I've already customized the iso and added a JDK so the software will run ; I've partitioned the thumb with a casper-rw | 12:06 |
| awilkins | ; now I just need to know how to i) Set the keymap to uk on boot ii) automatically choose the new "persistent" menu config I stuck in the isolinux menu instead of the fancy try/install graphical prompt you get when you boot the maverick LiveCD. | 12:06 |
| danfish | DJones: bummer :( | 12:06 |
| DJones | danfish: Not so much, we didn't have anybody that could play it anyway :) | 12:06 |
| danfish | :) | 12:07 |
| danfish | awilkins: first things first - clone that line manager and send him my way | 12:07 |
| czajkowski | awilkins: nice | 12:07 |
| awilkins | danfish, Heheheh. I used to know how to do this too when the isolinux menu was all you got - the pretty gui is stumping me. | 12:08 |
| danfish | awilkins: does the usb disk creator in ubuntu do the persistent bit for you when you load in the iso? | 12:09 |
| AlanBell | danfish: it is a Rudohf Schuman which neither me, the piano tuner, or google have ever heard of | 12:09 |
| AlanBell | which either means it is a rare and valuable antique, or old and rubbish | 12:09 |
| danfish | hah | 12:09 |
| awilkins | danfish, the USB disk creator makes a loopback file ; I want a native ext3 partition (which I've done) | 12:10 |
| awilkins | danfish, The persistent bit works, just want to not have to manually do anything. | 12:10 |
| danfish | ah ok | 12:10 |
| awilkins | I don't even want to see the try/install prompt because some numpty will push "install" and trash his laptop | 12:11 |
| awilkins | (horrible full-disk encryption, lots of explaining to ICT services) | 12:11 |
| gord | load a translation that replaces install with "launch angry godzilla bee's" | 12:11 |
| danfish | understandable | 12:12 |
| danfish | putting a postit note on the screen where the "install" button appears probably isn't going to work either | 12:13 |
| gord | honestly the live stuff is a tricky thing that you need specialist knowledge on, best asking the guys that build the cd | 12:13 |
| awilkins | Do you know which channel they hang out in? | 12:14 |
| danfish | awilkins: I might be missing the point, but why not just do a full install onto a usb stick then clone the stick? | 12:15 |
| awilkins | danfish, this may also be an option. | 12:15 |
| awilkins | Probably runs faster. | 12:15 |
| gord | awilkins, i'm being told that #ubuntu-release is the best place to ask, its where the release team live, they set up the iso so they know whats going on | 12:17 |
| czajkowski | gord: you're rather useful to have in here ;) | 12:18 |
| awilkins | gord, Thanks for asking for me | 12:18 |
| andylockran | gord is a useful person to know. | 12:18 |
| andylockran | installing maverick on my desktop for the first time | 12:19 |
| andylockran | like the new installer | 12:19 |
| awilkins | I like the way it downloads updates in the background | 12:19 |
| andylockran | can't help but notice it's taking quite a bit longer than older versions though - or maybe that's just me | 12:19 |
| awilkins | andylockran, Are you running it from a CD or a USB? | 12:20 |
| * awilkins remotes the sensitive Windows drive from his laptop to prevent grub-related accidents to the encryption bootloader | 12:21 | |
| andylockran | awilkins: CD | 12:24 |
| danfish | awilkins: they are installing that junk here next week :( | 12:24 |
| awilkins | danfish, Lucky you. The encrypted usb thumbs are rubbish too - all done in software. Cost extortionate money. | 12:25 |
| andylockran | got a mac keyboard, and bought a new mouse this morning | 12:25 |
| andylockran | logitech mx512 or something like that | 12:26 |
| andylockran | 518 | 12:26 |
| awilkins | The only advantages are someone to blame and central key escrow. | 12:26 |
| danfish | awilkins: already got one of those. £120 I think for a 2gb drive | 12:26 |
| andylockran | just ordered an entropykey for more entropy on my virtual servers | 12:27 |
| awilkins | danfish, Whhhhhhhhaaaaattttttt. They must hit you with more of a markup | 12:28 |
| awilkins | danfish, Our internal purchase form says £65 for those, I've heard verbal quotes of £95 | 12:28 |
| awilkins | My price ; 5 quid for a 2GB USB stick, nothing for Truecrypt. | 12:28 |
| andylockran | hmm, uptime on my maverick install has just hit 60 minutes :s | 12:29 |
| awilkins | I might charge oooh 15 quid if I wrote a few scripts to automate formatting them and copy the keyblocks to an escrow server. | 12:29 |
| danfish | awilkins: yup - our it guys seem to take the list price, double it and pass it on | 12:29 |
| danfish | awilkins: having someone to blame is the name of the game alright | 12:30 |
| awilkins | danfish, My assertion that they are rubbish is based on ; they consist of two partitions, one unencrypted that contains a small util that mounts the encrypted partition. One encrypted. | 12:30 |
| danfish | ...and they can't be read in linux | 12:31 |
| danfish | AFAIK | 12:31 |
| awilkins | They do not have hardware encryption like an Ironkey. | 12:31 |
| awilkins | You must install drivers for them because non-admin users cannot load drivers in Windows | 12:31 |
| awilkins | So they are equal to truecrypt in most respects | 12:31 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/236580 | 12:31 |
| popey | ooooooo | 12:31 |
| awilkins | perrty | 12:32 |
| awilkins | I think they also charge a per-seat license for the driver that stops you writing to unencrypted USB thumbs | 12:32 |
| andylockran | my install appears to have hung :( | 12:33 |
| danfish | ironkey should have got that contract tbh | 12:33 |
| awilkins | danfish, Seeing the prices of Ironkeys on Dabs, I'm not sure they make enough margin to proffer a really effective bribe. | 12:33 |
| danfish | awilkins: so you have to pay to have functionally removed from your PC. Craziness | 12:34 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/236579 | 12:34 |
| popey | with no windows 7 | 12:34 |
| awilkins | popey, Wow, a price differential that actually reflects the price of an OEM windows license | 12:35 |
| danfish | popey: that's more tempting | 12:35 |
| awilkins | "Linpus linux" | 12:35 |
| awilkins | Sounds like an infection | 12:35 |
| awilkins | "Sorry, can't come into work today, I'm oozing linpus | 12:35 |
| andylockran | nope, unhung now... gd gd | 12:36 |
| andylockran | weird. | 12:36 |
| andylockran | no action for circa 20 mins | 12:36 |
| danfish | awilkins: from where ? :D | 12:36 |
| awilkins | Mine just crashed because of a disk failure... given it's a flash drive, that does not full me with confidence | 12:37 |
| awilkins | El-cheapo 8GB flash drives are cheap for a reason, it seems | 12:37 |
| finelytuned | popey: to the unknowing public who might look at them 2 pages, they could think that they are getting so much more with the windows one, due the the amount of stuff listed under software | 12:38 |
| popey | they get a bigger disk! | 12:38 |
| awilkins | finelytuned, This is part of what produces a higher return rate for Linux machines - shame that MS like to yell about what is effectively uninformed buyers | 12:39 |
| awilkins | I suppose Windows needs a bigger disk | 12:39 |
| awilkins | I find a 60GB partition barely adequate for Vista and up | 12:40 |
| directhex | awilkins: windows 7 is about 10 gig smaller than vista | 12:40 |
| awilkins | directhex, Or does it just report disk consumption better - I know a lot of the apparent consumption is actually hardlinked files | 12:41 |
| popey | http://www.xda-developers.com/android/ubuntu-running-on-galaxy-tab/ | 12:41 |
| directhex | awilkins: i think it's actually smaller. vista carries LOADS of duplicate libraries with slightly different versions, 7 has a clever way to make one lib with multiple overlays | 12:41 |
| awilkins | Shiny. Shame the Tab is so expensive | 12:41 |
| awilkins | directhex, I had the RC version until they canned it | 12:42 |
| awilkins | directhex, I liked it better than Vista - but not enough to pay for 7 | 12:42 |
| directhex | i thought it was worth £40 | 12:43 |
| awilkins | directhex, Plus all the hassle of reinstalling it, a lot of your games, etc. I only really use it for games now. | 12:44 |
| awilkins | Steam games are fine but a lot of them whine and moan when their DRM components disappear | 12:44 |
| awilkins | Excellent, my parcel is here | 12:45 |
| awilkins | Including complete Farscape box set.. there goes my productivity for a month or three | 12:45 |
| danfish | including the peacekeeper wars? | 12:47 |
| awilkins | Indeed | 12:51 |
| danfish | sweet | 12:52 |
| awilkins | Plus ; displayport / VGA adapter. No longer will my Linux system at work be relegated to a mere 1 monitors. | 12:52 |
| awilkins | And ; fast kettle. Because waiting for tea is wrong. | 12:53 |
| finelytuned | this is a ramdom question but does anyone know how many schools run open source software? | 12:58 |
| popey | nope | 12:59 |
| popey | how can anyone possibly know | 12:59 |
| popey | well, other than asking them all :) | 12:59 |
| finelytuned | like i said totally random | 13:00 |
| DJones | This is not on, BBC headline "Gentoo penguin born in Australia", Never mind that, where's the Ubuntu penguin born in South Africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11796080? | 13:04 |
| directhex | http://i.imgur.com/iq6Fu.jpg | 13:05 |
| bigcalm | popey: I blame you for getting me interested in minecraft. I'm still in bed, playing on my laptop | 13:05 |
| popey | :) | 13:06 |
| DJones | directhex: My parents have just come bax from Oz, they've got an even better picture than that, looks like its the same animal, just even more gross | 13:06 |
| DJones | s/bax/back | 13:07 |
| gord | geez | 13:11 |
| * popey tickles gord | 13:11 | |
| gord | royal mail tracking has three states, "we do not have your item" "our item is somewhere in our network" "we delivered your item" | 13:12 |
| screen-x | gord: so your powerline ethernet adapters are still in state 2? | 13:13 |
| gord | yes | 13:13 |
| screen-x | :( | 13:13 |
| gord | last updated three days ago, it doesn't take three days to go from wales to crewe | 13:13 |
| czajkowski | wow | 13:14 |
| czajkowski | gord: perhaps they opened the package saw how much fun it was and decided to keep it | 13:14 |
| awilkins | I think this USB drive is a pile of rubbish. | 13:14 |
| * screen-x is also attempting to leave wales | 13:15 | |
| awilkins | 'cause now installs are failing because perl is broken. | 13:15 |
| evilchristel | aww why would you want to leave wales? | 13:15 |
| czajkowski | but the welsh are nice | 13:15 |
| czajkowski | well the accent more than anything really | 13:15 |
| czajkowski | and RUGBY :D | 13:15 |
| gord | nevermind, i now have a mince pie and Hey Eugine by Pink Martini playing, everything is well again | 13:15 |
| awilkins | Knew a girl from North Wales at med school. Could only understand her when we were both drunk. | 13:15 |
| screen-x | awilkins: haha | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | awilkins: lol | 13:16 |
| evilchristel | haha | 13:16 |
| screen-x | I do know plenty of nice welsh people, I'm just having issues with a few troublesome ones :( | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | I just nod and smile it's a lovely accent | 13:16 |
| czajkowski | evilchristel: hello darling | 13:17 |
| screen-x | having said that, the trouble is in wales, that doesn't necessairly mean the trouble makers are welsh.. | 13:17 |
| gord | never had any trouble with welsh accents myself, its nice :) | 13:17 |
| kazade | funniest picture ever: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbfzyy2oc61qzlfumo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1290256133&Signature=W7ToDAICiEYXDm4l%2BVPg08FVxzc%3D | 13:28 |
| kazade | sorry, had to share that :) | 13:29 |
| BigRedS | kazade: That's awesome! | 13:29 |
| evilchristel | heya czajkowski me love! a letter arrived for you! | 13:30 |
| czajkowski | ohh | 13:31 |
| czajkowski | evilchristel: can you open it and let me know what it is please. | 13:31 |
| czajkowski | can't be a bill :) | 13:31 |
| andylockran | wahey - maverick installed | 13:32 |
| andylockran | internet connection here is awful mind | 13:36 |
| shauno | sometimes I swear the ladies in the canteen are trying to fatten me up | 13:40 |
| jpds | shauno: Yes, they're trying to feed you. | 13:40 |
| andylockran | any ideas | 13:41 |
| andylockran | will just stop during download | 13:41 |
| andylockran | if I cancel and restart then it'll be fine | 13:41 |
| kazade | anyone know of a program that can shove (L)GPL headers into a directory full of source files? | 13:41 |
| popey | cp | 13:41 |
| andylockran | kazade: sed ? | 13:41 |
| BigRedS | sed? | 13:41 |
| kazade | heh | 13:41 |
| kazade | well, ok that would do it | 13:42 |
| daubers | What they sed | 13:42 |
| popey | That's what she sed. | 13:42 |
| * kazade doesn't really know how to use sed | 13:42 | |
| * daubers gets his coat | 13:42 | |
| jpds | kazade: cat lgpl-template.txt sauce.cpp > result.cpp | 13:42 |
| * AlanBell tickles czajkowski | 13:42 | |
| kazade | jpds, oh cool | 13:43 |
| BigRedS | for i in `ls`; do cat boilerplate $i > tmp ; mv tmp $i; done | 13:43 |
| BigRedS | perhaps with the semicolons in different placesi | 13:43 |
| kazade | thx BigRedS I'll try taht | 13:44 |
| kazade | *that | 13:44 |
| === denny- is now known as denny | ||
| kazade | BigRedS, worked a charm! | 13:49 |
| czajkowski | no tickles | 13:51 |
| BigRedS | Wow. I got bash right first time! :) | 13:51 |
| kazade | BigRedS, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kazade/platformation/trunk/revision/28 | 13:52 |
| BigRedS | kazade: I expect to see my name under 'contributors' ;) | 13:54 |
| kazade | indeed ;) | 13:54 |
| andylockran | evolution on maverick is just unusable. | 13:58 |
| gord | it is? | 14:00 |
| gord | seems fine here | 14:00 |
| gord | are you using imap+? if your not using imap+ you should be using it | 14:00 |
| andylockran | I'm using imap | 14:01 |
| andylockran | wil l switch to imap+ | 14:02 |
| andylockran | what's the difference? | 14:02 |
| daubers | awesumsauce | 14:03 |
| daubers | imap+ is threaded (I believe... certainly acts that way) | 14:03 |
| * BigRedS still wants an imap client that lets him instruct it to only download the latest X messages | 14:03 | |
| BigRedS | Well, I have one. But it's quite clunky. More imap clients should honour imap | 14:04 |
| popey | does gmail support imap+ ? | 14:08 |
| andylockran | cheers for that tip Gord - really improved it! :) | 14:10 |
| davmor2 | popey: try it :D | 14:16 |
| shauno | I didn't think imap+ was something that needed to be specifically supported. just a better rewrite of the imap module for evo, but they haven't expired the old one (yet) because it's tried & trusted | 14:17 |
| popey | My bosses wife is pregnant with their 9th child. | 14:19 |
| awilkins | kazade, Extra tip - sponge | 14:19 |
| awilkins | kazade, cat license.txt source.cpp | sponge source.cpp | 14:19 |
| finelytuned | wow 9 children........ i have 3 they keep me busy all the time lol | 14:19 |
| daubers | popey: 9???? | 14:19 |
| popey | they want 13 | 14:20 |
| daubers | 13??? | 14:20 |
| popey | yup | 14:20 |
| popey | well.. _she_ wants 13 | 14:20 |
| daubers | Do they want to generate some kind of family choir in the hills of austria? | 14:20 |
| czajkowski | what | 14:20 |
| popey | :) | 14:20 |
| czajkowski | sweet jebus mary and holy saint jack daniels | 14:20 |
| danfish | 13 - rugby league team | 14:20 |
| finelytuned | is it for a family football team or something? | 14:20 |
| shauno | cztab .. well there's names for half of them | 14:20 |
| czajkowski | popey: were any of them twins or anything | 14:21 |
| popey | nope | 14:21 |
| daubers | shauno: Hugh, Pew, Barney, McGrew, Cuthburt, Dibble and Grub? | 14:21 |
| shauno | someone really should take mercy on them and buy them a TV | 14:21 |
| kazade | awilkins, ah cool thanks | 14:25 |
| kazade | awilkins, so no need for the tmp file with sponge I assume? | 14:25 |
| awilkins | kazade, Nope, I did exactly the same top-license-shoving exercise with it a few days ago | 14:30 |
| andylockran | yo. | 14:36 |
| andylockran | what's the view called where all the windows get tiled next to each other | 14:36 |
| andylockran | and how can I get that setup? | 14:36 |
| andylockran | hostname | 14:37 |
| andylockran | dmesg | 14:37 |
| andylockran | oops | 14:37 |
| awilkins | andylockran, try win-E | 14:41 |
| andylockran | er.. that's not so good with 16 virtual desktops :p | 14:42 |
| awilkins | Heh, I put them in more than one row and it improves | 14:42 |
| andylockran | but yeah - thanks :) | 14:42 |
| daubers | hmmm... just found all the tapes with oggcamp stuff on them | 14:45 |
| * daubers really wants a tapeless camera | 14:45 | |
| evilchristel | czajkowski: its a questionnaire from your bank wanting your feedback on your experience of opening an account with them! | 14:50 |
| evilchristel | (how peculiar, my bank never sends me questionnaires like that) :( | 14:50 |
| czajkowski | evilchristel: oh good I can tell them they told me I wasn set up for online banking and I wasn't which was rather confusing | 14:52 |
| czajkowski | evilchristel: thank you | 14:52 |
| evilchristel | <3 | 14:53 |
| ikonia | evilchristel: 2 days on the trot.....what a treat | 15:02 |
| lowrr | hi | 15:06 |
| lowrr | for mail/web servers does ubuntu auto configure it for you | 15:06 |
| lowrr | or it needsto be done like in fedora and stuff | 15:06 |
| popey | depends what config you want :) | 15:06 |
| screen-x | lowrr: some config is done through the package manager, some will have to be done with an editor. | 15:07 |
| lowrr | but usually is it all set | 15:07 |
| === OmNomSequitur is now known as GentileBen | ||
| screen-x | lowrr: for example, when apt installs apache it is all ready, but you'll have to create config files if you want virtual hosts. | 15:08 |
| lowrr | ic | 15:10 |
| screen-x | 555? | 15:10 |
| screen-x | screen-x: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ | 15:14 |
| Azelphur | Anyone on Ubuntu care to click "I have this problem too." https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/765355 ? | 15:15 |
| Azelphur | It really makes Firefox unusable, it's been a problem for ages too -.- | 15:16 |
| BigRedS | Azelphur: that's also a long-standing brokenness on tbird | 15:18 |
| Azelphur | god alone knows why they don't fix it :( | 15:18 |
| Azelphur | BigRedS: evolution has it really bad too | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | chrome works fine \o/ | 15:19 |
| diplo | Submitted :) | 15:19 |
| BigRedS | I'd imagine it's only an issue on Ubuntu's dark themes - I think everybody else still uses light coloured themes | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | indeed :p | 15:19 |
| BigRedS | but I don't want FF to stop using the GTK theme, I want it to use the whole of it | 15:19 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: doesn't effect me | 15:19 |
| BigRedS | both background *and* foreground | 15:19 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: are you using a dark theme? | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: by dark I mean black background white text | 15:20 |
| davmor2 | yeap | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | what theme? | 15:20 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: the default theme | 15:20 |
| Azelphur | that's not a dark theme | 15:20 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: How's it not dark? | 15:21 |
| Azelphur | ambiance is light | 15:21 |
| Azelphur | uhh, because it's ~80% white? | 15:21 |
| Azelphur | and the text is black? | 15:22 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: then you'll need to give an example | 15:22 |
| Azelphur | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Divinorum?content=65533 is dark | 15:22 |
| Azelphur | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Slickness+Black?content=73210 also dark :p | 15:23 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: Try with Epiphany if that has the same issue it's a fault in GTK and not firefox | 15:23 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: chrome doesn't suffer from it, trying epiphany now | 15:24 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: yea epiphany suffers but differently | 15:26 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: then it is likely to be GTK and not FF that is at fault | 15:26 |
| Azelphur | even though chrome doesn't have the problem? | 15:27 |
| evilchristel | ikonia: i just cant keep away | 15:27 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/November%202010/2010-11-19-152908_1266x1143_scrot.png | 15:29 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: Epiphany is as close to gtk as you can get. all the other browsers use aspects and modify things to suit their browsers so are 3-4 + layers away from gtk so it will either magnify a fault or get rid of it depending on how they twist it. | 15:29 |
| gord | Midori is just gtk + webkit like ephinany too i think | 15:29 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: so what you'll find is that Chrome is blatantly ignoring the gtk element for everything other than the title bar iirc | 15:31 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: it should do, otherwise you end up with a completely broken experience as you can see | 15:32 |
| Azelphur | gord: midori suffers from the problem too :( | 15:32 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: again the issue is with gtk, if gtk fix the issue their end it fixes it for user across the board | 15:33 |
| Azelphur | davmor2: it's not, the problem is that gtk applies the theme to the page, and then the css in the page has it's own style too | 15:33 |
| Azelphur | at least I think | 15:33 |
| gord | Azelphur, run firefox in wine ;) | 15:34 |
| Azelphur | haha | 15:34 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: Yes so if GTK fix things their end it won't effect the browsers anymore, there is a whole heap of these minor issues that annoy the living daylights out of users, I'm hoping that GTK+3 will put pay to some if not all (It would be nice) | 15:36 |
| Azelphur | I guess | 15:37 |
| DJones | Ooh, UbuntuOne for Windows beta testing | 16:02 |
| popey | .net 4 :S | 16:03 |
| DJones | It'll be interesting to see how it compares with dropbox once it gets a final release | 16:05 |
| * czajkowski hugs davmor2 | 16:07 | |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: Why what did I do? | 16:08 |
| popey | DJones: "not as good" is my generaly opinion | 16:08 |
| gord | .net seems like an acceptable tech if your on windows | 16:09 |
| DJones | popey: That wouldn't surprise me with dropbox having a significant head start, but hopefully there'll be a good attempt at it anyway | 16:09 |
| gord | windows does install .net for you now right? you don't have to go off to some website to download it | 16:10 |
| Phineas | hi guys | 16:10 |
| popey | *shrug* | 16:10 |
| danfish | gord: w7 yes, xp no | 16:10 |
| Phineas | have i spelt my nick right | 16:10 |
| DJones | Phineas: Nope, thats not how you spell "nickname" :) | 16:11 |
| gord | i don't have a reason to use ubuntu one on windows, so i guess this is the first beta of ubuntu one that i won't take part in :( | 16:11 |
| Phineas | DJones, i mean my nickname , Phineas | 16:11 |
| shauno | no mac client? | 16:12 |
| gord | not yet | 16:12 |
| Phineas | have i spelt my nickname right as in my nickname Phineas | 16:13 |
| * AlanBell just made a 29GB zip file from 140,000 files totalling 38GB | 16:13 | |
| AlanBell | and nothing broke | 16:13 |
| gord | AlanBell, okay now lmza it! | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | I was going to encrypt it with rot13 | 16:14 |
| popey | or lzma | 16:14 |
| * Phineas made one totalling about 56GB | 16:14 | |
| gord | lamaz! whatever :P | 16:14 |
| Phineas | what its true | 16:15 |
| Phineas | brb | 16:16 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Ralph Janke] LibreOffice: Document Foundation Steering Committee Public Phone Conference 20-Nov-2010 - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/libreoffice-document-foundation-steering-committee-public-phone-conference-20-nov-2010 | 16:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ooooh ZBosons observed for the first time at the LHC: https://twitter.com/#!/CERN/statuses/5653178590699521 | 16:20 |
| Phineas | did my away message work | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | and issyl0 gets applauded at European level https://twitter.com/#!/NeelieKroesEU/status/5651141715042304 | 16:21 |
| Phineas | did my away message work | 16:22 |
| Phineas | ? | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | !away | 16:22 |
| lubotu3 | You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» | 16:22 |
| issyl0 | AlanBell: I know, I just saw that! :O | 16:22 |
| popey | test your away messages elsewhere Phineas | 16:22 |
| davmor2 | Phineas: I don't know you're not away | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | Phineas: didn't see anything | 16:22 |
| AlanBell | issyl0: told a customer about govspark last week | 16:23 |
| issyl0 | AlanBell: oh? | 16:23 |
| Phineas | popey, sorry if my away message is 'noisy' | 16:23 |
| popey | Phineas: i havent seen any away message from you at all, lets keep it that way | 16:24 |
| czajkowski | popey: AlanBell http://ossg.bcs.org/2010/09/30/open-source-as-open-innovation-creating-and-capturing-value-in-value-networks-london-021210/ | 16:24 |
| Phineas | popey, :) | 16:24 |
| popey | thanks czajkowski | 16:24 |
| * popey is going out in london that evening | 16:24 | |
| czajkowski | ahh | 16:24 |
| czajkowski | said I'd go it's free event and looks interesting | 16:25 |
| Phineas | sounds intresting | 16:25 |
| * AlanBell checks diary | 16:27 | |
| Phineas | aparently there are no guidelines in this channel | 16:28 |
| popey | feel free to test that theory Phineas | 16:28 |
| czajkowski | Phineas: what kind of guidelines? | 16:28 |
| davmor2 | Phineas: yes there are the same as every other channel related to Ubuntu | 16:29 |
| DJones | !guidelines | 16:29 |
| lubotu3 | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 16:29 |
| Phineas | oh i see | 16:29 |
| gord | huh, i calculated that its gonna take 13 days of constant uploading at my max speed before my ubuntu one music will finish =\ | 16:31 |
| * gord cherry picks instead | 16:31 | |
| popey | gord: go somewhere with free wifi? | 16:32 |
| gord | i don't actually know anywhere here that has free wifi, everything is pay for and slooooowww | 16:32 |
| AlanBell | gord: Millbank! | 16:32 |
| AlanBell | although that isn't *here* for most values of here | 16:33 |
| gord | maybe i could just take a usb drive and give it to the folks at millbank and tell them "this is what i want on ubuntu one, its quicker than syncing" | 16:33 |
| DJones | gord: How much have you got to upload? | 16:33 |
| davmor2 | gord coffee shop | 16:33 |
| gord | 8gb, i have slow internet | 16:33 |
| DJones | heh, that could take a while even with faster broadband | 16:35 |
| gord | honestly cherry picking makes sense.like the rest of humanity 70% of my music collection is stuff i stopped listening to years ago | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | DJones: 8gb is about 40 minutes | 16:36 |
| gord | just copying 500mb over wifi is gonna take ten minutes :( | 16:38 |
| gord | it is not uncommon for people to have better internet connections than i do wifi | 16:39 |
| danfish | where are the actual servers that serve ubuntu one? Just curious | 16:39 |
| gord | I imagine its a cloud tech that uses wherever is closet to you | 16:40 |
| gord | closest* | 16:40 |
| danfish | ok | 16:40 |
| popey | gord: could you move y'know, closer to the access point? | 16:41 |
| * gord points its *there* | 16:41 | |
| * popey hands gord a cable | 16:41 | |
| gord | right, i could of just ran some cable for a few minutes then got rid of it again, stop making me look stoopid :P | 16:42 |
| Phineas | gord, makes me look smart | 16:42 |
| awilkins | I find that sometimes, uploads to DropBox happen faster than physically possible - I figure this is because someone already uploaded a file with the same SHA-1 hash | 16:44 |
| awilkins | I reckon that Ubuntu One could probably use the same thing with the music files | 16:45 |
| gord | isn't that... dangerous? | 16:45 |
| awilkins | If it does, you could upload your music collection in seconds | 16:45 |
| awilkins | Why is it dangerous? | 16:45 |
| andylockran | guys, any recommendations for a current affairs podcast | 16:46 |
| gord | its not completely infeasible that two files can share the same hash | 16:46 |
| awilkins | gord, True, but what about the same hash and same byte count? Or same MD5 and SHA-1? | 16:46 |
| popey | yup, they do that | 16:46 |
| awilkins | I'm assuming, like rsync, it does a cheap check backed up by a sure check | 16:46 |
| gord | makes sense, until sha1 is broken, but then we all have bigger problems ;) | 16:48 |
| daubers | sha1's been broken hasn't it? Isn't there someone who can break a sha1 in 15minutes or seomsuch? | 16:49 |
| awilkins | Varies depending on your meaning of "broken" | 16:49 |
| daubers | Well, easily brute forced in a reasonable time frame | 16:49 |
| popey | hmm, can you edit a shell script whilst its running? | 16:50 |
| awilkins | Broken as in "given an arbitrary sense document, find another with the same SHA-1" - pull the other one. | 16:50 |
| popey | and expect the line you change to be used? like in a dos batch file? | 16:50 |
| danfish | awilkins: the *real* reason dropbox is so fast is because they copy all your data when you first install it and then put a '.' in front of the file/folder name to hide it | 16:50 |
| popey | or does the file get fully read at start? | 16:50 |
| gord | popey, not unless the file is re-read, ie its been called again by another shell script or cron | 16:51 |
| popey | bum | 16:51 |
| gord | re-reading all the time would make it slooow | 16:51 |
| popey | see dos batch files :) | 16:51 |
| daubers | awilkins: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/18/amazon_cloud_sha_password_hack/ | 16:51 |
| Phineas | popey, bum? | 16:52 |
| popey | nvm | 16:52 |
| gord | daubers, given enough monkeys you can crack anything relatively quickly | 16:53 |
| gord | (see what i did there?) | 16:53 |
| awilkins | daubers, Yes, but he was "cracking" hashes of unsalted 6 char passwords. | 16:54 |
| daubers | gord: If I had an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters, I could make a killing in the fertilizer business | 16:54 |
| daubers | awilkins: Didn't really read it that carefully..... obviously misunderstood what I did read | 16:54 |
| gord | basically, you can always defend against brute force attacks easily when doing online communication, to the point where it can be ignored | 16:54 |
| awilkins | Anyone who uses an unsalted 6 char password hash in their implementation should not be writing security systems | 16:54 |
| awilkins | What the story is is really "man demonstrates that renting enough computers to calculate a rainbow table really fast is possible" | 16:57 |
| * awilkins now has a ludicrous amount of storage because he bought a new drive because he thought the old one had failed when it was the power electronics in his external caddy | 17:00 | |
| awilkins | What to do with 3.5TB of disk... | 17:01 |
| directhex | awilkins: you can now do GPU-powered cloud machines, not just regular VMs. someone used a GPU-powered password cracker on a cloud box, for very little money, storming through all passwords up to X characters long | 17:01 |
| awilkins | directhex, Mmmm, CUDA. Tasty. | 17:02 |
| gord | still have yet to find a real use for cuda outside the specialist market. would love to use it for something day to day | 17:04 |
| popey | ffmpeg | 17:04 |
| popey | (I would use it if it supported ffmpeg) | 17:04 |
| popey | or vice versa | 17:05 |
| Phineas | ff hujamaflip | 17:05 |
| Phineas | oh that converter thing FFMPEG | 17:08 |
| directhex | omg it's gohometime | 17:11 |
| Phineas | is it? | 17:11 |
| awilkins | Here in the UK, yes. Unless your boss is a git. | 17:12 |
| awilkins | Whee, I like eSata | 17:14 |
| finelytuned | poets day surely today | 17:14 |
| popey | i like esata when it isnt a cheap crappy nvidia chipset | 17:14 |
| awilkins | Ah. I have an MCP55 | 17:14 |
| awilkins | Is that bad? | 17:14 |
| gord | nvidia do esata? | 17:15 |
| gord | crazy world we live in | 17:15 |
| awilkins | Well, it's not esata as such | 17:15 |
| awilkins | It's an eSata blanking plate attached to my internal SATA controller | 17:15 |
| awilkins | Which is the integrated nVidia one | 17:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Javascript Q: How to I get a result set, returned to a callback function, back to the original function that called the callback? | 17:16 |
| awilkins | I had problems writing large files to it last month but figure it was down to the same thing that brought the drive to a halt this month - failing power electronics | 17:16 |
| awilkins | I shall have another go at writing large files and see if I get the same errors | 17:16 |
| awilkins | popey, Aaand, there you go | 17:22 |
| awilkins | popey, Yes, same thing. Lots of ata3.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED | 17:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Funny, but a pretty big whack, whack ooops at the same time: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Free-ClamWin-virus-scanner-moves-most-of-Windows-into-quarantine-1139430.html | 17:22 |
| awilkins | People will be making a joke of that for aaaages - "ClamWin thought Windows was a virus! Chortle chortle, etc" | 17:24 |
| shauno | TheOpenSourcerer: closed: notabug | 17:24 |
| Phineas | bye | 17:30 |
| Phineas | bye all | 17:30 |
| === cking is now known as cking|food | ||
| awilkins | popey, I think your assesment is correct, the nVidia SATA controller can't cope with eSata drives now, can it. | 17:41 |
| awilkins | A good job these have USB ports too | 17:42 |
| * awilkins crawls under his desk to rewire stuff | 17:43 | |
| * awilkins is mumbling, Yosemite Sam style | 17:43 | |
| danfish | I've an esata port on my samsung nvidia lappy. Seems to work ok so far. | 17:44 |
| Ng | esatap! | 17:45 |
| Ng | awesome idea, only saw it today, want it! | 17:45 |
| jpds | I keep readind "esatap" in Spanish. | 17:46 |
| jpds | Let's just invent esata-ng. | 17:46 |
| * Ng does a :( at jpds | 17:46 | |
| Ng | literally | 17:46 |
| jpds | Ng: I saw that! | 17:47 |
| Ng | good! | 17:47 |
| * popey tickles Ng | 17:47 | |
| Ng | ! | 17:47 |
| jpds | popey: Not literally though. | 17:47 |
| popey | No, _actually_ | 17:47 |
| popey | bah | 17:47 |
| * popey farts on apple | 17:47 | |
| * awilkins removes a hard drive from some gravy | 17:47 | |
| awilkins | Happily, not enough gravy to enter any orifices | 17:48 |
| popey | mmmm gravy | 17:48 |
| popey | http://drool.popey.com/ | 17:48 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is shocked to hear popey scorn the Apple. | 17:48 | |
| Ng | TheOpenSourcerer: it's ok, I've alerted Cupertino, the turtleneck ninjas are on their way | 17:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Bangers and Mash for Dinner here :-) With Gravy no doubt. | 17:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Anyone??? "Javascript Q: How to I get a result, that is returned to a callback function, back to the original function that called the callback?" | 17:49 |
| awilkins | I find it discomforting that the "safely remove drive" option in Ubuntu so often throws an error | 17:50 |
| awilkins | "Safely" and "Bad stuff happened" are incongruous | 17:50 |
| jpds | awilkins: Was the drive in gravy at any point in its life? | 17:51 |
| awilkins | jpds, Very few of the drives I've seen that option throw an error with were ever in gravy | 17:52 |
| awilkins | Of course, the best ones come in a sealed ziplok bag of the gravy from Mr Brains Faggots. | 17:52 |
| * awilkins now has 3.5 TB of storage hooked up to his USB ports | 17:53 | |
| awilkins | Bwahahaha, etc | 17:53 |
| danfish | popey: talking of food, how's the recipe section on the website going? | 17:55 |
| * BigRedS pictures a vast auditorium with a single door leading into/out of it | 17:56 | |
| popey | heh | 17:56 |
| AlanBell | danfish: ooh, contributions please | 17:56 |
| AlanBell | Circle of Food | 17:56 |
| danfish | np - is a logon needed? | 17:56 |
| * AlanBell will create a danfish logon | 17:57 | |
| danfish | yeah! | 17:57 |
| danfish | I'll put tonight's experimental chorizo sausage toad in the hole recipe on :) | 17:57 |
| AlanBell | I think we should have an ubuntuish theme to the recipes | 17:58 |
| === cking|food is now known as cking | ||
| TheOpenSourcerer | danfish: http://www.opensourcefood.com/people/opensourcerer/recipes/sunday-roast-toad-in-the-hole-and-roast-potatoes | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | so something including a circle of friends | 17:58 |
| popey | http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/category/recipes/ AHEM! | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | or the colour #dd4814 | 17:58 |
| jpds | TheOpenSourcerer: Should of been opensaucefood.com. | 17:58 |
| danfish | popey: that can be desert 2nite | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | that is an awesome recipe popey | 17:59 |
| danfish | TheOpenSourcerer: nice. The chorizo may add a certain 'je ne sais quoi' | 18:00 |
| danfish | or it'll probably just bollocks up a nice dish | 18:00 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Indeed danfish, indeed. | 18:00 |
| AlanBell | didn't know chorizo was made of them | 18:01 |
| awilkins | I never know how to partition external drives. | 18:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Perhaps a big knokwurst would be better? | 18:01 |
| awilkins | As long as it's not the one you store the Fallen Madonna in | 18:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | with ze big ... | 18:01 |
| danfish | AlanBell: only the best spanish bollocks of course ;) | 18:01 |
| awilkins | ... dumpling | 18:02 |
| awilkins | s | 18:02 |
| danfish | german market coming to town this year. Sausage stands everywhere normally. | 18:03 |
| awilkins | There's one in Leeds too | 18:03 |
| * AlanBell may try to make the popey cake in an oggcamp mug for photographing | 18:05 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Put the camera in the microwave for the best images :-D | 18:05 |
| awilkins | I have a nice Ubuntu mug it might go nicely in | 18:06 |
| Mez | damnit - memory is failing me. | 18:06 |
| Mez | What's that famous geek toy/gift/etc site? | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | thinkgeek | 18:07 |
| awilkins | thinkgeek.com? | 18:07 |
| Mez | thats it :D | 18:07 |
| BigRedS | there's a uk one, too. firebox? | 18:07 |
| * Mez had a brain fart | 18:07 | |
| BigRedS | something like that | 18:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | iwantoneofthose.com? | 18:07 |
| Mez | BigRedS: firebox is my company's main competitor. | 18:07 |
| awilkins | Replica batmobile : £120,000 | 18:07 |
| awilkins | A biiiit much | 18:07 |
| Mez | BigRedS: and they don't do the cool stuff that thinkgeek do (I'm remembering the mana potions) | 18:08 |
| AlanBell | and unicorn meat | 18:08 |
| Mez | AlanBell: yeah - unicorn meat got me dumped :) | 18:08 |
| AlanBell | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/ | 18:08 |
| Mez | AlanBell: when you give unicorn meat as a present to your vegan, animal loving girlfriend... it doesn't go well. | 18:09 |
| Mez | "But you like Unicorns, right - and it's not like they're real" | 18:09 |
| Mez | :) | 18:09 |
| Mez | (yes, I was purposefully trying to get dumped) | 18:09 |
| Mez | aw what? | 18:11 |
| Mez | They no longer ship caffeine outside of US ? :( | 18:11 |
| AlanBell | http://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2010/06/officially-our-bestever-cease.html | 18:11 |
| danfish | AlanBell: login received :) | 18:11 |
| Mez | AlanBell: old. | 18:12 |
| AlanBell | I am | 18:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That is a somewhat relative statement AlanBell | 18:13 |
| awilkins | The stuffed dismembered unicorn in the can is genius | 18:13 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: true, I am not *that* old :) | 18:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thanks. :-( | 18:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Time for bangers, mash then Pub! | 18:15 |
| docsy | anyone about had issues with flash since updating recently (updates within 10.10 x64bit) | 18:33 |
| finelytuned | ok gotta do dinner bbl o/ | 18:54 |
| === SuperHark is now known as MichealH | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Ralph Janke] Libreoffice Beta-3 now available on Debian experimental repositories. - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/libreoffice-beta-3-now-available-debian-experimental-repositories | 19:17 |
| danfish | listening to the radio on the way home Ireland are trying to ease the fiscal problems by sending out free cheese. czajkowski - you're away for a week the the place falls apart ;) | 20:05 |
| czajkowski | ugh don't get me started | 20:06 |
| jpds | It's too late for that.. | 20:07 |
| danfish | where did they get the money to buy all that cheese? | 20:09 |
| Azelphur | danfish: I feel the need to post http://www.splicd.com/2YEfXE2tzyg/46/49 | 20:09 |
| danfish | heh | 20:09 |
| Azelphur | drunk on cheese \o/ | 20:09 |
| DJones | danfish: Makes you appreciate the value, we (UK etc) lends Ireland £xB, they lend us czajkowski, I would say thats money well spent | 20:11 |
| DJones | Worth every penny/cent | 20:12 |
| danfish | DJones: davmor2 may well disagree. | 20:12 |
| KrimZon | how do i set up my wireless card on ubuntu server? | 20:13 |
| KrimZon | i think the drivers ought to be working but it doesn't seem to want to connect | 20:14 |
| DJones | danfish: Thats just bloody mindedness :) | 20:14 |
| danfish | DJones: true. Mind you he's been nice recently | 20:14 |
| danfish | KrimZon: what wireless card? also using WPA etc? | 20:15 |
| KrimZon | danfish: asus pci-g31, wpa-psk | 20:15 |
| KrimZon | wpa2 rather | 20:15 |
| KrimZon | i can iwlist scan and get stuff | 20:16 |
| KrimZon | just can't yet ping anything | 20:16 |
| KrimZon | i want to get it bridged with the ethernet eventually | 20:16 |
| danfish | KrimZon: my advice would be to check out wicd-ncurses | 20:17 |
| KrimZon | what's that? | 20:17 |
| danfish | !info wicd-ncurses | 20:17 |
| lubotu3 | Package wicd-ncurses does not exist in maverick | 20:17 |
| danfish | nuts | 20:17 |
| KrimZon | oh, i'm using lucid still | 20:17 |
| danfish | wicd is an alternative network manager | 20:18 |
| danfish | !info wicd-curses | 20:18 |
| lubotu3 | wicd-curses (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager - Curses client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.0+ds1-5 (maverick), package size 68 kB, installed size 236 kB | 20:18 |
| danfish | that's better | 20:18 |
| KrimZon | will it support bridging? | 20:19 |
| KrimZon | and will it work on a server with nobody logged in? | 20:19 |
| danfish | re bridging - not sure | 20:20 |
| danfish | it does work with no-one logged in | 20:20 |
| danfish | mind you, I've never had great success with getting wireless working on a headless server, but it's been a while since I last tried | 20:21 |
| KrimZon | hmm, can't get wicd-curses to ask for the passphrase | 20:32 |
| KrimZon | ah, wicd doesn't support vpn either, which i need | 20:33 |
| danfish | Did you set the password for the individual network using the right arrow and enable encryption? | 20:35 |
| danfish | ooh - trailer for xmas dr who on children in need. nice | 20:56 |
| AlanBell | who brought these last year? http://picasaweb.google.com/alanbelltolc/UbuntuUK#5418429663045996818 | 21:10 |
| finelytuned | evenong all | 21:11 |
| finelytuned | evening even :) | 21:12 |
| danfish | AlanBell: the recipe/technique needs to be on the website | 21:14 |
| AlanBell | it does :) | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | I think the recipe is: purchase mince pices, add sugar and cinamon using a circle of friends cut from paper as a mask | 21:16 |
| danfish | chorizo toad in hole got 9/10 from the wife - will post recipe 2moro | 21:16 |
| KrimZon | danfish: i couldn't see any options - need to get it on again | 21:17 |
| danfish | they do look a bit too perfect to be homemade | 21:17 |
| evilchristel | pff shop bought! | 21:21 |
| * AlanBell looks forward to sampling evilchristel's home made mince pies then | 21:21 | |
| danfish | KrimZon: I think your requirements are beyond wicd. CLI config I think. Not really a personal strongpoint with wireless :( | 21:21 |
| evilchristel | AlanBell: :D | 21:21 |
| evilchristel | i shall make mince pies | 21:22 |
| KrimZon | maybe i'll just need to ask my landlady if i can get another phone socket fitted in the computer room | 21:23 |
| Nafallo | KrimZon: will you connection saturate the power plugs network then? :-) | 21:43 |
| KrimZon | powerline stuff is still expensive looking, but it's an option | 21:44 |
| KrimZon | maybe then i could try running a soft-ap from the server and route a firewalled guest wireless network | 21:45 |
| KrimZon | i've got it pinging the adsl router over wireless though | 21:45 |
| KrimZon | actually, full internet | 21:45 |
| KrimZon | i just realized, the whole lot doesn't have to be bridged - the bridge is only needed for the vpn to talk to the games machine | 22:22 |
| danfish | adios! | 22:24 |
| KrimZon | well... i've got it transfering files nicely | 23:07 |
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