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linuxman410anyone here01:10
wrsthey linuxman41001:34
linuxman410hey wrst how r u01:35
wrstgood linuxman410 kinda looking at laptops i don't think mine is going to be around for a lot longer01:36
linuxman410what r u looking at01:36
linuxman410r u looking at used or new01:37
wrstnew/refurbished01:39
wrstprobably be a few months before the screen falls ofbut want to be ready for when it does :)01:39
linuxman410where r u looking01:39
wrsttigedirect newegg, and also looking at system76 and zareasons01:39
XpistosMorning everyone. wrst.13:49
wrstXpistos: whats up?13:49
Xpistosnot much13:49
wrstthat's a good way to starta  friday Xpistos14:12
netritiousGood morning locotn14:33
Svpernova09Mornin14:36
netritiouswhat it b Svpernova0914:37
Svpernova09nm, same ole same ole work >.<14:37
netritiousI hear ya14:38
netritiouswork is good though :)14:38
Svpernova09Yep, they keep wanting me to come back :_D14:38
netritious? not sure I follow14:38
netritiousdid you leave?14:38
netritiouslike permanently?14:39
Svpernova09oh no14:40
Svpernova09I'm still employed = they want me to keep coming back14:40
Svpernova09I just spent 2 days moving our in our physical servers to VMs14:41
Svpernova09our in house*14:41
netritiousoh lol..haven't had my coffee this morning :D14:41
netritiousnice14:41
wrstnetritious: wow you are here14:41
netritiouswrst: tada!14:42
netritiouswhat, you thought I was never coming back?14:42
netritiousmorning Genphlux14:43
wrsti had confidence you would arrive again netritious14:44
wrstmorning Genphlux14:44
netritioushehe of course...just teasing you ;)14:45
netritiousso what have you been up to wrst?14:46
wrstvery little netritious, i have been somewhat messing with drupal 7 and joomla a little bit14:46
netritiousnot teh Joomla!14:47
wrstyeah i'm not so sure on it, you have any opinions netritious?14:47
wrstoh and installed wordpress i have a computer running drupal 6, drupal 7, wordpress, and joomla14:47
netritiousnice14:48
netritiousI'm not a fan of Joomla14:48
wrstnetritious: i can't say i am the control panel  and that stuff is nice but its execution of everythign just doesn't seem to work as well as drupal does for websites14:49
netritiousI like word press for simple sites, drupal is neat, modx cms is also neat if you design and develop and use PHP a lot14:49
wrstand for blogs wordpress is about imposible to beat14:49
netritiousyeah14:49
netritiousI haven't used modx in years though14:50
wrstmodx looks cool14:50
wrsti'm nodeveloper so i'm thinking that drupal is abotu as advanced as i need to get14:51
netritiousyeah, modx is definitely not for non-coders...whoever has to manage it and create features needs to be pretty fluent in PHP14:52
netritiousnot expert or anything just familiar enough to get around14:52
wrstthat is certainly not me netritious :)14:53
netritiousthe coolest feature is "snippets" where you basically insert some PHP in a form field and save it to a db (built-in to modx) and use a short tag on a page [~code_reference~] and modx does the rest14:53
wrstand wordpress is very simple but just about too locked in for my taste drupal seems to be a decent middle ground14:53
netritiousyeah drupal is a lot more flexible than WP14:54
wrstbut it is also slow netritious15:01
netritiouswrst true, but not as slow as it could be?15:03
* netritious 's attempt at glass half full15:03
wrsttrue and for a non programmer like me its a good mid point on lots of things15:03
Dan9186[MM]woohoo, yay for windows 7 training....15:56
netritiouswhy would you need win 7 training?16:01
Dan9186[MM]work paid for all of us to go16:02
Dan9186[MM]there's a thing or two that's been useful but the rest is please kill me now16:03
netritioushehe16:03
Dan9186[MM]where's kavorkian when you need him?16:03
netritiousI can imagine it now Dan9186[MM]...16:04
netritious"You see this little circle on the bottom left? It's called 'The Orb' and is like the Start button in XP, but better."16:04
Dan9186[MM]na, it's largely how to do settings in win7 and some of the higher features like imaging16:05
netritiousok so not as bad as it could be16:05
Dan9186[MM]right, but doesn't mean it's not painful16:05
Dan9186[MM]oh hey by the way our next lan is coming up, you gonna join?16:06
netritiouswhen is it again?16:06
Dan9186[MM]dec 1116:06
netritiousat what time?16:06
Dan9186[MM]i think 11 or noon16:07
Dan9186[MM]is when it starts16:07
Dan9186[MM]ends when it ends16:07
netritiousdo I need to bring my pc or will you have pc's there? I know most lan parties are BYOC but just asking16:09
netritiousI'm lazy lol16:09
netritiousnot really but lazy enough I guess16:10
Dan9186[MM]BYOC16:10
netritiouscool...in that case I might swing by just to check it out...will bring my laptop16:13
netritiousI think I told you before the only game I own now is UT2004...still trying to find my Redneck Rampage cd though16:15
Dan9186[MM]we may actually have us a space by then too16:15
Dan9186[MM]that's fine, we have games available too, least for windows :P16:15
Dan9186[MM]http://wiki.midsouthmakers.org/a/LAN_Party16:16
Dan9186[MM]details will be put up there as more becomes known16:16
xTEMPLARxg'mornin' all!16:18
Dan9186[MM]mornin16:18
xTEMPLARxheya Dan.  Hows the day treatin' ya?16:18
Dan9186[MM]stuck in winblows training :(16:18
xTEMPLARxyou can dew eet!16:18
xTEMPLARxhang in there lol16:18
Dan9186[MM]well i do know one of the guys is hung over :P16:19
Dan9186[MM]or maybe still drunk not sure16:19
xTEMPLARxhaha16:19
xTEMPLARxlove the home-made power strip16:20
Dan9186[MM]ah yeah, that was made by one of attendees that is a little more on the cheap side16:20
elijah-mbpi thought it was nice.  :)16:21
elijah-mbp(no kidding, i've seen much worse things than that.  like devices i've powered by cutting the female end off a PC power cable and wrapping the wires around terminal posts...)16:22
Dan9186[MM]hehe16:23
Dan9186[MM]if it works then who cares right?16:25
Dan9186[MM]the only scarey part about that power strip is that the guy who made it does not make an electrician, and there is no telling whether something he wires together is doen right or not16:26
elijah-mbphopefully he's wrappd his connects in something like electrical tape, then, to at least cut down on electrocution possibility.16:30
elijah-mbpor nice little twist on connects to join wires… the kind that screw on over the tips?  you know what i mean?  can't remember the name right now.16:31
Dan9186[MM]i've always just called em screw caps16:32
xTEMPLARxwire nuts16:36
xTEMPLARx"twist-on wire connector" is the "proper" term... wire nut is technically a trademark, kinda like calling snot tissues Kleenex16:37
elijah-mbpwire nuts!16:37
elijah-mbpthanks16:37
xTEMPLARxyup i always call'em wire nuts :D16:37
wrstxTEMPLARx:  wow you are here!16:51
Dan9186[MM]no i'm here, he's there16:51
wrstok thanks for setting me straight on that Dan9186[MM] :P16:51
Dan9186[MM]glad to :)16:52
wrstha ha well i'm glad i'm not at win 7 training Dan9186[MM] maybe you can bring some of that knowledge back to us :)16:52
* Dan9186[MM] points at the computer16:56
Dan9186[MM]it's windows 7, there now you know everything i've learned16:56
wrstwell i wasn't really wanting much i mean i never see all that much difference from one release to the next of windows16:58
wrst:)16:58
xTEMPLARxwrst:  in and out... and for once, I"m not lookin to pick anybody's brain for anything... lol17:07
wrstha ha xTEMPLARx17:12
Dan9186[MM]xTEMPLARx: i know netritious doesn't have a brain to pick,  but what about wrst?17:16
netritiousmmmmm BRAINS! lol17:18
netritioussup xTEMPLARx17:18
Dan9186[MM]hehe, oops forgot you were here :P17:18
netritious;)17:19
xTEMPLARxheya net!17:21
pace_t_zuluwrst: ping17:45
netritiouswhat have you been up to xTEMPLARx?17:54
netritioushey pace_t_zulu17:54
wrstpace_t_zulu: pong17:56
pace_t_zuluhey netritious18:03
pace_t_zuluwrst: you use natty recently?18:03
XpistosHey netritious18:03
wrstlast ngiht just to see if there were updates available18:04
pace_t_zuluwrst: are graphics really slow for you?18:04
wrstyeah they have been since i enabled the compiz/unity repo18:05
netritioushey Xpistos18:12
xTEMPLARxnet:  not much18:17
xTEMPLARxbeen fighting with our proprietary firewall appliance here over the last two weeks, netritious18:18
xTEMPLARxworking with tech support to narrow down problems18:18
xTEMPLARxi'm hoping to have a replacement unit sent out but still in limbo on that18:18
xTEMPLARxin the meantime, I've finally gotten the company to let me put the pfSense router/fw in place and it's performed flawlessly in its stead.18:18
xTEMPLARxI could persuade them to keep it there if only our other office in Israel wasn't also using the firewall appliance that isnt' working for us... it uses a proprietary VPN that's similar to IPSEC but not similar enough for the IPSEC tunnel from pfSense to function with it18:19
netritiousxTEMPLARx: have you tried pfSense 2.0 branch?18:45
netritiousthere are tons of enhancements...not sure if the IPsec is addressed particularly but at least you have something worthy on standby atm with the 1.2 branch18:46
xTEMPLARxnope i installed whatever u said u were using, I believe.  lemme double-check18:48
xTEMPLARxyeah I'm using 1.2.3-RELEASE18:48
xTEMPLARxnetritious: looks like 2.0 is still in beta, eh?18:49
netritiousit is *but* it's a very mature beta18:51
netritiousnot saying to go run it in production, but I would definitely poke my head in the irc channel and maybe ask if whatever you're using is supported18:51
netritious...in 2.018:52
netritioussince you've said 1.2.x is a no go18:53
xTEMPLARxI don't blame pfSense, though18:53
xTEMPLARxi blame the Safe@Office appliance for using a proprietary VPN18:54
netritiousyeah what can you do? just gotta work with it18:54
netritiousnever heard of it18:54
xTEMPLARxtwo companies have their hands in it:  checkpoint and sofaware18:54
netritiouseek18:54
xTEMPLARxI had never heard of it either, b ut its what our israeli office was already using and they suggested it to us18:55
netritiousI know of checkpoint never managed it though18:55
netritioushaven't heard of sofaware18:56
xTEMPLARxwhy u say eek?19:01
xTEMPLARxlol19:01
netritiousbecause checkpoint is proprietary19:02
netritiouslike cisco and watchguard19:03
xTEMPLARxyup19:03
xTEMPLARxand even though their website calls it's VPN "IPSEC", its obviously some altered version...19:04
xTEMPLARxor else I'm missing some config option that they're assuming and automatically using19:04
netritioushave you google'd around about it?19:04
xTEMPLARxsomewhat but not much... most roads lead back to their own forums19:05
netritiousbtw xTEMPLARx did you get your opteron server in?19:05
xTEMPLARxnoper... the various renditions were submitted for approval to my manager, who is tasked with getting it finally approved, and I would guess that its either been shelved due to forgetfulness or the management's desire not to spend money19:06
netritiousroger19:10
netritiousit's funny how that works out...what was your final price tag? roughly19:11
xTEMPLARxit varied, from pretty darned reasonable (one system wasn't much over around 1100-1200) to around 2000-2200 or so  I don't remember19:12
xTEMPLARxand they have all my notes19:12
netritioushow many cores/ram/hdd etc19:13
netritiousand how many vms did you intend to host?19:13
xTEMPLARxi think I ended up with a 6 core on the low end and 12 on the upper19:13
xTEMPLARx# of VMs were never really nailed down to a set number, but likely would fluctuate depending on the machine we could afford19:14
xTEMPLARxkinda like hard disk space, we'd find a use for however much we could run19:14
netritiousright19:14
xTEMPLARxmany of them likely wouldn't be running all the time19:14
xTEMPLARxjust booted as needed for their purpose19:14
netritiousyep..makes sense19:15
* Genphlux just played Rock Band 3 using a nice Roland TD-4SX electronic kit.20:12
GenphluxI know what *I'M* spending $1300 on this month20:12
xTEMPLARxwot wot?20:16
xTEMPLARxa transmission!20:16
xTEMPLARxoh i didn't read everything20:17
netritiousnice Genphlux20:18
GenphluxYeah I've been eyeballing electronic kits for months now20:19
Genphluxif not a year20:19
GenphluxI'm stuck in an apartment so I can't have an acoustic set20:19
netritiousthe first time I played drums and felt like "wow this is too easy" was on a nice Roland kit...90's era20:20
Genphluxand Pearl makes a really cool acoustic set with electronic heads20:20
netritiousyou can but it costs more and not as fun20:20
Genphluxbut its $320020:20
netritiouseek20:20
GenphluxYeah but all you have to do is change the heads and add cymbals and you have a nice Pearl 5 pc kit20:20
Genphluxso I see the cost20:20
netritioustalking about the Roland kit?20:21
GenphluxBut the "Pro Mode" on Rock Band 3 allows you to actually play real instruments and actually play the real song, note for note, chord for chord, beat for beat20:21
GenphluxNo the Pearls20:21
GenphluxThe Roland kit is fully electronic20:21
netritiousroger20:21
Genphluxbut it has mesh heads that feel sorta like real drum heads20:21
Genphluxso it's cool20:21
netritiousnice20:22
GenphluxI have a full keyboard already20:22
Genphluxso with their MIDI interface adapter, I can plug it into the game and play it20:22
netritiousnice lol20:22
netritiouscan you play keyboard/piano Genphlux?20:22
GenphluxEh, not a whole lot.  I like to tinker though20:23
GenphluxMaybe this will force me to be better though20:23
GenphluxI apparently like to say though a lot though20:23
netritiousthough you could have a worse habit20:24
GenphluxTrue.20:24
GenphluxSteph is going to get some accessories for me for Christmas20:24
Genphluxa nice double bass pedal20:24
Genphluxmaybe an extra cymbal20:25
netritiousnice20:27
xTEMPLARxpersonally, i'd rather have a double bass20:44
xTEMPLARx3/4 of course20:44
GenphluxYeah I'm definitely getting the pedal20:44
GenphluxDo you play?20:44
GenphluxI know back in the 90s when I played more, the Iron Cobra was one of the best DB pedals to buy.  Is that still the case?20:45
xTEMPLARxi play guitar, bass, keyboard (by ear), some fiddle, some banjo and of course percussion somewhat.20:45
xTEMPLARxwhen I said double bass, I was talking about an upright bass... as its proper name is the double bass20:45
xTEMPLARx:D20:45
GenphluxOh haha gotcha20:45
GenphluxI never knew that20:46
GenphluxCool little tid bit there20:46
xTEMPLARxi know a few excellent drummers and the one that I always revert back to as my bar for comparison firmly believes in a single bass pedal20:46
xTEMPLARxto hear him play, though, you'd never know there wasn't two20:46
xTEMPLARxhe could flutter like a madman and dead on timing20:47
xTEMPLARxhe's now doing the drum editing in Dave Grohl's recording studio.20:47
xTEMPLARxso he lives on the other coast now :(20:47
wrstxTEMPLARx: you play fiddle i am jealous20:48
xTEMPLARxmore like i play WITH the fiddle20:49
xTEMPLARxi've been recorded playing the thing, so I can get a somewhat pleasing sound out of one20:49
GenphluxI just bought a little starter banjo20:49
Genphluxto plink on20:49
xTEMPLARxnone of the classic cat death-cry sound they're famous for20:49
GenphluxI'd love to have a mandolin for some reason20:49
Genphluxwould be fun to learn20:49
xTEMPLARxnothign wrong with a starter banjo at all :D20:49
xTEMPLARxmandolin's fun too20:49
xTEMPLARxi didn't add that to the list coz I don't own one20:50
xTEMPLARxbut i can pick out some tunes on them too20:50
xTEMPLARxpretty much if its got a neck and some strings I can get something good out of it20:50
xTEMPLARxmay not be 100% proficient at it but I can keep myself from hurting ppl20:50
xTEMPLARxthe bow is a tricky thing to master20:50
xTEMPLARxfun tho20:50
GenphluxThe banjo I got apparently sells for the range of $150-$300 new.  This guy had it in his closet and it looked brand new and it included a gig bag, finger picks, and an extra set of strings, all for $50.20:51
xTEMPLARxnot bad at all20:51
xTEMPLARxcan't gripe about that20:51
xTEMPLARxmy banjo is on "permanent loan" to me from one of my uncles who decided he was never really gonna learn  how to play it20:51
GenphluxYeah I thought it was decent.  Of course all I want to learn is the beginning of Dueling Banjos from Deliverance right now.20:51
wrstthat's cool xTEMPLARx i have a difficulty without frets20:51
xTEMPLARxlol20:51
xTEMPLARxwrst:  its all about muscle memory and going to the same spots20:52
xTEMPLARxits not so bad on the upright bass20:52
xTEMPLARxupright bass is almost horseshoes and hand grenades20:52
xTEMPLARxjust gotta get close20:52
xTEMPLARxlol20:52
wrstyeah i think i could hadle an upright, but a fiddle just is so uncomfortable to me20:52
xTEMPLARxthat it is20:52
xTEMPLARxi can't play one for a long time20:52
xTEMPLARxthere's got to be some trick to holding it that I'm missing20:52
wrstyeah maybe if you hold a phone all day under your chin it would help?20:53
xTEMPLARxcoz I see violinist/fiddlers that can run all over with their neck hand like its free to move, but I'm still holding the darned thing up with my hand so none of that20:53
xTEMPLARxi don't trust my chin and ur probably right wrst lol20:53
wrstyeah xTEMPLARx i think that is a lot of the issue not holding it completely with my chin20:54
xTEMPLARxi bet I'd like it a lot more and spend more time with it if I could get past that20:54
netritiousaight guys afk for a bit20:57
elijah-mbpguitar players have a similar problem…. once you have a solid grip on the thing it's easier to make your hands walk up and down the neck.  :)20:57
elijah-mbpwhole-body pressed against the instrument, etc20:58
xTEMPLARxwith a good strap and a well-balanced guitar, though, usually don't have to hold it too much with either hand21:02
xTEMPLARxand sitting down, a properly-shaped guitar will lend itself to balancing perfectly on one leg without wanting to fall or slide in any particular direction21:02
xTEMPLARxone of the reasons I don't own odd-ball shaped instruments like the V and such21:02
xTEMPLARxmy current favorite guitar:  http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v333/251/59/529452389/n529452389_778111_8937.jpg21:13
pace_t_zuluslow day22:06

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