[01:10] <linuxman410> anyone here
[01:34] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[01:35] <linuxman410> hey wrst how r u
[01:36] <wrst> good linuxman410 kinda looking at laptops i don't think mine is going to be around for a lot longer
[01:36] <linuxman410> what r u looking at
[01:37] <linuxman410> r u looking at used or new
[01:39] <wrst> new/refurbished
[01:39] <wrst> probably be a few months before the screen falls ofbut want to be ready for when it does :)
[01:39] <linuxman410> where r u looking
[01:39] <wrst> tigedirect newegg, and also looking at system76 and zareasons
[13:49] <Xpistos> Morning everyone. wrst.
[13:49] <wrst> Xpistos: whats up?
[13:49] <Xpistos> not much
[14:12] <wrst> that's a good way to starta  friday Xpistos
[14:33] <netritious> Good morning locotn
[14:36] <Svpernova09> Mornin
[14:37] <netritious> what it b Svpernova09
[14:37] <Svpernova09> nm, same ole same ole work >.<
[14:38] <netritious> I hear ya
[14:38] <netritious> work is good though :)
[14:38] <Svpernova09> Yep, they keep wanting me to come back :_D
[14:38] <netritious> ? not sure I follow
[14:38] <netritious> did you leave?
[14:39] <netritious> like permanently?
[14:40] <Svpernova09> oh no
[14:40] <Svpernova09> I'm still employed = they want me to keep coming back
[14:41] <Svpernova09> I just spent 2 days moving our in our physical servers to VMs
[14:41] <Svpernova09> our in house*
[14:41] <netritious> oh lol..haven't had my coffee this morning :D
[14:41] <netritious> nice
[14:41] <wrst> netritious: wow you are here
[14:42] <netritious> wrst: tada!
[14:42] <netritious> what, you thought I was never coming back?
[14:43] <netritious> morning Genphlux
[14:44] <wrst> i had confidence you would arrive again netritious
[14:44] <wrst> morning Genphlux
[14:45] <netritious> hehe of course...just teasing you ;)
[14:46] <netritious> so what have you been up to wrst?
[14:46] <wrst> very little netritious, i have been somewhat messing with drupal 7 and joomla a little bit
[14:47] <netritious> not teh Joomla!
[14:47] <wrst> yeah i'm not so sure on it, you have any opinions netritious?
[14:47] <wrst> oh and installed wordpress i have a computer running drupal 6, drupal 7, wordpress, and joomla
[14:48] <netritious> nice
[14:48] <netritious> I'm not a fan of Joomla
[14:49] <wrst> netritious: i can't say i am the control panel  and that stuff is nice but its execution of everythign just doesn't seem to work as well as drupal does for websites
[14:49] <netritious> I like word press for simple sites, drupal is neat, modx cms is also neat if you design and develop and use PHP a lot
[14:49] <wrst> and for blogs wordpress is about imposible to beat
[14:49] <netritious> yeah
[14:50] <netritious> I haven't used modx in years though
[14:50] <wrst> modx looks cool
[14:51] <wrst> i'm nodeveloper so i'm thinking that drupal is abotu as advanced as i need to get
[14:52] <netritious> yeah, modx is definitely not for non-coders...whoever has to manage it and create features needs to be pretty fluent in PHP
[14:52] <netritious> not expert or anything just familiar enough to get around
[14:53] <wrst> that is certainly not me netritious :)
[14:53] <netritious> the coolest feature is "snippets" where you basically insert some PHP in a form field and save it to a db (built-in to modx) and use a short tag on a page [~code_reference~] and modx does the rest
[14:53] <wrst> and wordpress is very simple but just about too locked in for my taste drupal seems to be a decent middle ground
[14:54] <netritious> yeah drupal is a lot more flexible than WP
[15:01] <wrst> but it is also slow netritious
[15:03] <netritious> wrst true, but not as slow as it could be?
[15:03]  * netritious 's attempt at glass half full
[15:03] <wrst> true and for a non programmer like me its a good mid point on lots of things
[15:56] <Dan9186[MM]> woohoo, yay for windows 7 training....
[16:01] <netritious> why would you need win 7 training?
[16:02] <Dan9186[MM]> work paid for all of us to go
[16:03] <Dan9186[MM]> there's a thing or two that's been useful but the rest is please kill me now
[16:03] <netritious> hehe
[16:03] <Dan9186[MM]> where's kavorkian when you need him?
[16:04] <netritious> I can imagine it now Dan9186[MM]...
[16:04] <netritious> "You see this little circle on the bottom left? It's called 'The Orb' and is like the Start button in XP, but better."
[16:05] <Dan9186[MM]> na, it's largely how to do settings in win7 and some of the higher features like imaging
[16:05] <netritious> ok so not as bad as it could be
[16:05] <Dan9186[MM]> right, but doesn't mean it's not painful
[16:06] <Dan9186[MM]> oh hey by the way our next lan is coming up, you gonna join?
[16:06] <netritious> when is it again?
[16:06] <Dan9186[MM]> dec 11
[16:06] <netritious> at what time?
[16:07] <Dan9186[MM]> i think 11 or noon
[16:07] <Dan9186[MM]> is when it starts
[16:07] <Dan9186[MM]> ends when it ends
[16:09] <netritious> do I need to bring my pc or will you have pc's there? I know most lan parties are BYOC but just asking
[16:09] <netritious> I'm lazy lol
[16:10] <netritious> not really but lazy enough I guess
[16:10] <Dan9186[MM]> BYOC
[16:13] <netritious> cool...in that case I might swing by just to check it out...will bring my laptop
[16:15] <netritious> I think I told you before the only game I own now is UT2004...still trying to find my Redneck Rampage cd though
[16:15] <Dan9186[MM]> we may actually have us a space by then too
[16:15] <Dan9186[MM]> that's fine, we have games available too, least for windows :P
[16:16] <Dan9186[MM]> http://wiki.midsouthmakers.org/a/LAN_Party
[16:16] <Dan9186[MM]> details will be put up there as more becomes known
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> g'mornin' all!
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> mornin
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> heya Dan.  Hows the day treatin' ya?
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> stuck in winblows training :(
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> you can dew eet!
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> hang in there lol
[16:19] <Dan9186[MM]> well i do know one of the guys is hung over :P
[16:19] <Dan9186[MM]> or maybe still drunk not sure
[16:19] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[16:20] <xTEMPLARx> love the home-made power strip
[16:20] <Dan9186[MM]> ah yeah, that was made by one of attendees that is a little more on the cheap side
[16:21] <elijah-mbp> i thought it was nice.  :)
[16:22] <elijah-mbp> (no kidding, i've seen much worse things than that.  like devices i've powered by cutting the female end off a PC power cable and wrapping the wires around terminal posts...)
[16:23] <Dan9186[MM]> hehe
[16:25] <Dan9186[MM]> if it works then who cares right?
[16:26] <Dan9186[MM]> the only scarey part about that power strip is that the guy who made it does not make an electrician, and there is no telling whether something he wires together is doen right or not
[16:30] <elijah-mbp> hopefully he's wrappd his connects in something like electrical tape, then, to at least cut down on electrocution possibility.
[16:31] <elijah-mbp> or nice little twist on connects to join wires… the kind that screw on over the tips?  you know what i mean?  can't remember the name right now.
[16:32] <Dan9186[MM]> i've always just called em screw caps
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> wire nuts
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> "twist-on wire connector" is the "proper" term... wire nut is technically a trademark, kinda like calling snot tissues Kleenex
[16:37] <elijah-mbp> wire nuts!
[16:37] <elijah-mbp> thanks
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> yup i always call'em wire nuts :D
[16:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  wow you are here!
[16:51] <Dan9186[MM]> no i'm here, he's there
[16:51] <wrst> ok thanks for setting me straight on that Dan9186[MM] :P
[16:52] <Dan9186[MM]> glad to :)
[16:52] <wrst> ha ha well i'm glad i'm not at win 7 training Dan9186[MM] maybe you can bring some of that knowledge back to us :)
[16:56]  * Dan9186[MM] points at the computer
[16:56] <Dan9186[MM]> it's windows 7, there now you know everything i've learned
[16:58] <wrst> well i wasn't really wanting much i mean i never see all that much difference from one release to the next of windows
[16:58] <wrst> :)
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  in and out... and for once, I"m not lookin to pick anybody's brain for anything... lol
[17:12] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[17:16] <Dan9186[MM]> xTEMPLARx: i know netritious doesn't have a brain to pick,  but what about wrst?
[17:18] <netritious> mmmmm BRAINS! lol
[17:18] <netritious> sup xTEMPLARx
[17:18] <Dan9186[MM]> hehe, oops forgot you were here :P
[17:19] <netritious> ;)
[17:21] <xTEMPLARx> heya net!
[17:45] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ping
[17:54] <netritious> what have you been up to xTEMPLARx?
[17:54] <netritious> hey pace_t_zulu
[17:56] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[18:03] <pace_t_zulu> hey netritious
[18:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you use natty recently?
[18:03] <Xpistos> Hey netritious
[18:04] <wrst> last ngiht just to see if there were updates available
[18:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: are graphics really slow for you?
[18:05] <wrst> yeah they have been since i enabled the compiz/unity repo
[18:12] <netritious> hey Xpistos
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> net:  not much
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> been fighting with our proprietary firewall appliance here over the last two weeks, netritious
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> working with tech support to narrow down problems
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> i'm hoping to have a replacement unit sent out but still in limbo on that
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> in the meantime, I've finally gotten the company to let me put the pfSense router/fw in place and it's performed flawlessly in its stead.
[18:19] <xTEMPLARx> I could persuade them to keep it there if only our other office in Israel wasn't also using the firewall appliance that isnt' working for us... it uses a proprietary VPN that's similar to IPSEC but not similar enough for the IPSEC tunnel from pfSense to function with it
[18:45] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: have you tried pfSense 2.0 branch?
[18:46] <netritious> there are tons of enhancements...not sure if the IPsec is addressed particularly but at least you have something worthy on standby atm with the 1.2 branch
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> nope i installed whatever u said u were using, I believe.  lemme double-check
[18:48] <xTEMPLARx> yeah I'm using 1.2.3-RELEASE
[18:49] <xTEMPLARx> netritious: looks like 2.0 is still in beta, eh?
[18:51] <netritious> it is *but* it's a very mature beta
[18:51] <netritious> not saying to go run it in production, but I would definitely poke my head in the irc channel and maybe ask if whatever you're using is supported
[18:52] <netritious> ...in 2.0
[18:53] <netritious> since you've said 1.2.x is a no go
[18:53] <xTEMPLARx> I don't blame pfSense, though
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> i blame the Safe@Office appliance for using a proprietary VPN
[18:54] <netritious> yeah what can you do? just gotta work with it
[18:54] <netritious> never heard of it
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> two companies have their hands in it:  checkpoint and sofaware
[18:54] <netritious> eek
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> I had never heard of it either, b ut its what our israeli office was already using and they suggested it to us
[18:55] <netritious> I know of checkpoint never managed it though
[18:56] <netritious> haven't heard of sofaware
[19:01] <xTEMPLARx> why u say eek?
[19:01] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[19:02] <netritious> because checkpoint is proprietary
[19:03] <netritious> like cisco and watchguard
[19:03] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> and even though their website calls it's VPN "IPSEC", its obviously some altered version...
[19:04] <xTEMPLARx> or else I'm missing some config option that they're assuming and automatically using
[19:04] <netritious> have you google'd around about it?
[19:05] <xTEMPLARx> somewhat but not much... most roads lead back to their own forums
[19:05] <netritious> btw xTEMPLARx did you get your opteron server in?
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx> noper... the various renditions were submitted for approval to my manager, who is tasked with getting it finally approved, and I would guess that its either been shelved due to forgetfulness or the management's desire not to spend money
[19:10] <netritious> roger
[19:11] <netritious> it's funny how that works out...what was your final price tag? roughly
[19:12] <xTEMPLARx> it varied, from pretty darned reasonable (one system wasn't much over around 1100-1200) to around 2000-2200 or so  I don't remember
[19:12] <xTEMPLARx> and they have all my notes
[19:13] <netritious> how many cores/ram/hdd etc
[19:13] <netritious> and how many vms did you intend to host?
[19:13] <xTEMPLARx> i think I ended up with a 6 core on the low end and 12 on the upper
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> # of VMs were never really nailed down to a set number, but likely would fluctuate depending on the machine we could afford
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> kinda like hard disk space, we'd find a use for however much we could run
[19:14] <netritious> right
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> many of them likely wouldn't be running all the time
[19:14] <xTEMPLARx> just booted as needed for their purpose
[19:15] <netritious> yep..makes sense
[20:12]  * Genphlux just played Rock Band 3 using a nice Roland TD-4SX electronic kit.
[20:12] <Genphlux> I know what *I'M* spending $1300 on this month
[20:16] <xTEMPLARx> wot wot?
[20:16] <xTEMPLARx> a transmission!
[20:17] <xTEMPLARx> oh i didn't read everything
[20:18] <netritious> nice Genphlux
[20:19] <Genphlux> Yeah I've been eyeballing electronic kits for months now
[20:19] <Genphlux> if not a year
[20:19] <Genphlux> I'm stuck in an apartment so I can't have an acoustic set
[20:20] <netritious> the first time I played drums and felt like "wow this is too easy" was on a nice Roland kit...90's era
[20:20] <Genphlux> and Pearl makes a really cool acoustic set with electronic heads
[20:20] <netritious> you can but it costs more and not as fun
[20:20] <Genphlux> but its $3200
[20:20] <netritious> eek
[20:20] <Genphlux> Yeah but all you have to do is change the heads and add cymbals and you have a nice Pearl 5 pc kit
[20:20] <Genphlux> so I see the cost
[20:21] <netritious> talking about the Roland kit?
[20:21] <Genphlux> But the "Pro Mode" on Rock Band 3 allows you to actually play real instruments and actually play the real song, note for note, chord for chord, beat for beat
[20:21] <Genphlux> No the Pearls
[20:21] <Genphlux> The Roland kit is fully electronic
[20:21] <netritious> roger
[20:21] <Genphlux> but it has mesh heads that feel sorta like real drum heads
[20:21] <Genphlux> so it's cool
[20:22] <netritious> nice
[20:22] <Genphlux> I have a full keyboard already
[20:22] <Genphlux> so with their MIDI interface adapter, I can plug it into the game and play it
[20:22] <netritious> nice lol
[20:22] <netritious> can you play keyboard/piano Genphlux?
[20:23] <Genphlux> Eh, not a whole lot.  I like to tinker though
[20:23] <Genphlux> Maybe this will force me to be better though
[20:23] <Genphlux> I apparently like to say though a lot though
[20:24] <netritious> though you could have a worse habit
[20:24] <Genphlux> True.
[20:24] <Genphlux> Steph is going to get some accessories for me for Christmas
[20:24] <Genphlux> a nice double bass pedal
[20:25] <Genphlux> maybe an extra cymbal
[20:27] <netritious> nice
[20:44] <xTEMPLARx> personally, i'd rather have a double bass
[20:44] <xTEMPLARx> 3/4 of course
[20:44] <Genphlux> Yeah I'm definitely getting the pedal
[20:44] <Genphlux> Do you play?
[20:45] <Genphlux> I know back in the 90s when I played more, the Iron Cobra was one of the best DB pedals to buy.  Is that still the case?
[20:45] <xTEMPLARx> i play guitar, bass, keyboard (by ear), some fiddle, some banjo and of course percussion somewhat.
[20:45] <xTEMPLARx> when I said double bass, I was talking about an upright bass... as its proper name is the double bass
[20:45] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:45] <Genphlux> Oh haha gotcha
[20:46] <Genphlux> I never knew that
[20:46] <Genphlux> Cool little tid bit there
[20:46] <xTEMPLARx> i know a few excellent drummers and the one that I always revert back to as my bar for comparison firmly believes in a single bass pedal
[20:46] <xTEMPLARx> to hear him play, though, you'd never know there wasn't two
[20:47] <xTEMPLARx> he could flutter like a madman and dead on timing
[20:47] <xTEMPLARx> he's now doing the drum editing in Dave Grohl's recording studio.
[20:47] <xTEMPLARx> so he lives on the other coast now :(
[20:48] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you play fiddle i am jealous
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> more like i play WITH the fiddle
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> i've been recorded playing the thing, so I can get a somewhat pleasing sound out of one
[20:49] <Genphlux> I just bought a little starter banjo
[20:49] <Genphlux> to plink on
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> none of the classic cat death-cry sound they're famous for
[20:49] <Genphlux> I'd love to have a mandolin for some reason
[20:49] <Genphlux> would be fun to learn
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> nothign wrong with a starter banjo at all :D
[20:49] <xTEMPLARx> mandolin's fun too
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> i didn't add that to the list coz I don't own one
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> but i can pick out some tunes on them too
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> pretty much if its got a neck and some strings I can get something good out of it
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> may not be 100% proficient at it but I can keep myself from hurting ppl
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> the bow is a tricky thing to master
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> fun tho
[20:51] <Genphlux> The banjo I got apparently sells for the range of $150-$300 new.  This guy had it in his closet and it looked brand new and it included a gig bag, finger picks, and an extra set of strings, all for $50.
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> not bad at all
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> can't gripe about that
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> my banjo is on "permanent loan" to me from one of my uncles who decided he was never really gonna learn  how to play it
[20:51] <Genphlux> Yeah I thought it was decent.  Of course all I want to learn is the beginning of Dueling Banjos from Deliverance right now.
[20:51] <wrst> that's cool xTEMPLARx i have a difficulty without frets
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  its all about muscle memory and going to the same spots
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> its not so bad on the upright bass
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> upright bass is almost horseshoes and hand grenades
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> just gotta get close
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[20:52] <wrst> yeah i think i could hadle an upright, but a fiddle just is so uncomfortable to me
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> that it is
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> i can't play one for a long time
[20:52] <xTEMPLARx> there's got to be some trick to holding it that I'm missing
[20:53] <wrst> yeah maybe if you hold a phone all day under your chin it would help?
[20:53] <xTEMPLARx> coz I see violinist/fiddlers that can run all over with their neck hand like its free to move, but I'm still holding the darned thing up with my hand so none of that
[20:53] <xTEMPLARx> i don't trust my chin and ur probably right wrst lol
[20:54] <wrst> yeah xTEMPLARx i think that is a lot of the issue not holding it completely with my chin
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> i bet I'd like it a lot more and spend more time with it if I could get past that
[20:57] <netritious> aight guys afk for a bit
[20:57] <elijah-mbp> guitar players have a similar problem…. once you have a solid grip on the thing it's easier to make your hands walk up and down the neck.  :)
[20:58] <elijah-mbp> whole-body pressed against the instrument, etc
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> with a good strap and a well-balanced guitar, though, usually don't have to hold it too much with either hand
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> and sitting down, a properly-shaped guitar will lend itself to balancing perfectly on one leg without wanting to fall or slide in any particular direction
[21:02] <xTEMPLARx> one of the reasons I don't own odd-ball shaped instruments like the V and such
[21:13] <xTEMPLARx> my current favorite guitar:  http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v333/251/59/529452389/n529452389_778111_8937.jpg
[22:06] <pace_t_zulu> slow day