| Sarvatt | doh, can't even pass LDFLAGS to configure in debian/rules to make xterm build anymore now that gcc changed to default --as-needed apparently | 00:44 |
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| jcristau | fun. i didn't try --as-needed, thought --no-add-needed would be where most problems would come from | 00:46 |
| RAOF | Can't you just pass --no-as-needed in LDFLAGS? | 00:46 |
| RAOF | (Before fixing the buildsystem, of course?) | 00:47 |
| jcristau | meh, --as-needed is just wrong.. | 00:47 |
| Sarvatt | I dont know how to properly fix this and am just trying to get things building locally at least, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/677129 | 00:47 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 677129 in xterm (Ubuntu) "Please merge xterm 266-1 (main) from debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New] | 00:48 |
| Sarvatt | how I "fixed" it to build locally was probably totally wrong :) | 00:48 |
| jcristau | Sarvatt: run make with EXTRA_LOADFLAGS="-lX11 -lfontconfig" | 00:52 |
| jcristau | seems to work | 00:52 |
| jcristau | (ugly workaround, but meh) | 00:54 |
| jcristau | built for me with http://paste.debian.net/100177/ anyway | 00:55 |
| Sarvatt | fails needing -lXmu still | 00:57 |
| jcristau | bleh | 00:58 |
| jcristau | -lXmu is getting passed here | 00:58 |
| jcristau | i get -lXft -lXaw7 -lXt -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lutempter -ltermcap -lX11 -lfontconfig | 00:58 |
| jcristau | Sarvatt: does gcc 4.4 in natty also do that? if not you could set CC=gcc-4.4 :p | 00:59 |
| Sarvatt | yeah I'm so tempted to just CC=gcc-4.4 everything :D | 01:00 |
| jcristau | sounds like thomas has a patch | 01:01 |
| Sarvatt | darn, fixes everything but -lX11 | 01:07 |
| Sarvatt | ah crap, missing a new big bang theory :) | 01:09 |
| RAOF | The internet will have archived it for you :) | 01:09 |
| Sarvatt | indeed | 01:10 |
| ScottK | There was a change where the order of LDFLAGS matters now and it didn't before. | 01:22 |
| * ScottK doesn't recall details. | 01:22 | |
| jcristau | i'm still hoping to avoid the as-needed madness in wheezy | 01:25 |
| ScottK | At least a Debian release cycle is a little longer to deal with it. | 02:19 |
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| lesshaste | does anyone else have problems with X hanging after a recent update? It just hangs for a few minutes especially when I am running kile. I can go to a VT and strace kile where I see "kile: cannot connect to X server" | 11:32 |
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| Sarvatt | RAOF, bryceh: seen this nugget of awesomeness? http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org/msg00803.html | 16:37 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, wow, exactly what we need | 17:30 |
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| ScottK | Wow. No sarcasm. Very unusual. | 18:21 |
| ScottK | (unless my sarcasm meter is way off) | 18:21 |
| bryceh | ScottK, haven't had my coffee yet | 18:22 |
| Sarvatt | thats something we were talking about at UDS and turns out someone already did it, very awesome :) | 18:24 |
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| bryceh | Sarvatt_, I'm going to update my mesa snapshot in wayland, and am going to use the latest snapshot in xorg-edgers | 20:48 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, anything I should be aware of? | 20:48 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, also, should I use the debian/ for xorg-edgers or the one from maverick (or natty?) | 20:49 |
| Sarvatt_ | nope, it doesnt really matter if you're not disabling stuff | 20:50 |
| Sarvatt_ | only differences are that it builds the xorg state tracker, has the changes needed to build 7.10, builds vmwgfx, r300g is default, and doesn't have ARB_fragment_shader disabled on gen3 intel | 20:51 |
| Sarvatt_ | also it installs nouveau_vieux for older nvidia | 20:52 |
| Sarvatt_ | well, now that I remember it also installs a bunch more into /usr/lib/dri/gallium for manual use like r600g and swrastg | 20:53 |
| bryceh | openvg1? Looks like I had disabled that in my build | 20:54 |
| Sarvatt_ | dunno why | 20:54 |
| Sarvatt_ | thats in ubuntu too | 20:54 |
| Sarvatt_ | the configure flags to enable it in 7.10 are different though | 20:55 |
| bryceh | think I had a build error vs. egl | 20:55 |
| bryceh | but I'll try it again enabled | 20:55 |
| Sarvatt_ | oh you passed --disable-gallium and broke the world :) | 20:55 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, what's the commented out i965 gallium 'kill it with fire' stuff? | 20:56 |
| bryceh | yeah could be | 20:56 |
| Sarvatt_ | i965 gallium driver is severely broken | 20:56 |
| bryceh | vmware? | 21:01 |
| bryceh | that'd given be build issues before | 21:01 |
| Sarvatt_ | when you passed --disable-gallium? | 21:02 |
| bryceh | no after I'd re-enabled gallium | 21:02 |
| bryceh | you'd also mentioned at the time something about it being sketchy | 21:02 |
| Sarvatt_ | it builds fine on stock natty, i did it last week | 21:03 |
| Sarvatt_ | yeah it's sketchy but is fixing up every copy worth it? :D | 21:03 |
| Sarvatt_ | it's in dri-experimental | 21:03 |
| bryceh | well I'll give it a try | 21:05 |
| Sarvatt_ | want to start merging 7.10 snapshots in git in preparation and just use that instead of edgers? | 21:05 |
| bryceh | maybe yeah | 21:05 |
| bryceh | I'll just go with this for now though | 21:05 |
| soren | How can I check if a given card is supported? Didn | 21:29 |
| soren | t there used to be a list of pci id's and how they corresponded to drivers? | 21:29 |
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| bryceh | soren, that's changed. there's now a file in sysfs for the driver which lists the pci id's the driver supports | 21:30 |
| bryceh | nouveau_context.c: In function ‘nouveau_context_init’: | 21:31 |
| bryceh | nouveau_context.c:132: warning: passing argument 4 of ‘nouveau_channel_alloc’ makes pointer from integer without a cast | 21:31 |
| bryceh | /usr/include/nouveau/nouveau_channel.h:51: note: expected ‘struct nouveau_channel **’ but argument is of type ‘int’ | 21:31 |
| bryceh | nouveau_context.c:132: error: too many arguments to function ‘nouveau_channel_alloc’ | 21:31 |
| bryceh | make[7]: *** [nouveau_context.o] Error 1 | 21:31 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, ^ maverick build of mesa failed there | 21:31 |
| soren | bryceh: Oh, it moved into the kernel? | 21:31 |
| * soren hasn't kept up, clearly. | 21:31 | |
| bryceh | soren, yeah you may have seen mention of 'KMS' | 21:31 |
| Sarvatt_ | bryceh: bah, libdrm :( | 21:31 |
| soren | bryceh: Right. | 21:31 |
| soren | bryceh: Just thought there was still a bit of that stuff left in "userspace". | 21:32 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, well maybe it'll build in the ppa where I have a newer libdrm snapshot | 21:32 |
| Sarvatt_ | guess I had a newer libdrm in the chroot it built in, sorry about that :( | 21:32 |
| bryceh | this system builds fast but I don't want to install random libdrms and stuff | 21:32 |
| soren | bryceh: Do you have a maverick or natty system handy to check if 1002:3151 is supported there? | 21:33 |
| soren | bryceh: I | 21:33 |
| bjsnider | Sarvatt_, did you see that amusing email from linus today? | 21:33 |
| bjsnider | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2010-November/005615.html | 21:34 |
| jcristau | i found dave's reply better | 21:35 |
| Sarvatt_ | same | 21:36 |
| bjsnider | i'm surprised that the intel driver is smaller than nouveau, i mean fewer lines of code | 21:38 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: "0x3151","RV380_3151","RV380",,,,,,"ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI)"? | 21:38 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Yup. | 21:38 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: On Lucid,I don't see it in modules.pcimap, at least. | 21:38 |
| Sarvatt_ | yeah dont see it here either | 21:39 |
| Sarvatt_ | I see it in the ddx though | 21:39 |
| jcristau | bjsnider: less variations in hw | 21:39 |
| Sarvatt_ | alias: pci:v00001002d00003152sv*sd*bc*sc*i* | 21:39 |
| Sarvatt_ | alias: pci:v00001002d00003150sv*sd*bc*sc*i* | 21:39 |
| Sarvatt_ | waaaay less | 21:40 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: http://www.spinics.net/lists/xorg/msg50868.html | 21:40 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: That one lists it in an Xorg.log. that seems somewhat promising. | 21:40 |
| soren | ..but now that the kernel's involved, I'm not sure my logic is sound. | 21:41 |
| Sarvatt_ | make it a duplicate of whatever 1002:3155 uses and see if it goes splat :) | 21:43 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Trouble is I'm trying to work out if I should buy it. | 21:43 |
| Sarvatt_ | "0x3151","RV380_3151","RV380",,,,,,"ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI)" | 21:44 |
| Sarvatt_ | "0x3155","RV380_3155","RV380",1,,,,,"ATI FireMV 2400 3155 (PCI)" | 21:44 |
| bjsnider | Like I know the goal here is to create the perfect kernel for hardware Linus owns... | 21:45 |
| Sarvatt_ | tried asking in #radeon? probably just an oversight 3151 didn't get added to the list, newer revision or something not many people have | 21:45 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: I didn't, but I will now. thanks! | 21:46 |
| Sarvatt_ | hmm | 21:48 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: this might be interesting https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=581927 | 21:48 |
| ubot4 | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 581927 in xorg-x11-drv-ati "MULI-GPU FireMV 2400 missing pciid + dual screen issue" [Medium,New] | 21:48 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: thanks! | 21:49 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: why not go for a hd 5xxx single gpu? they come with up to 6 dp connectors | 21:51 |
| bryceh | soren, maverick - http://pastebin.com/EeQfiUzr | 21:52 |
| bryceh | soren, natty - http://pastebin.com/Kh7ea0WF | 21:52 |
| Sarvatt_ | multi-gpu solutions aren't going to be fun | 21:52 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: No particular reason (other than complete ignorance). | 21:54 |
| Sarvatt_ | a firepro 2460 might be a better option (and cheaper) | 21:54 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Excellent. That's the other one I'm considering. | 21:55 |
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| soren | Sarvatt_: I just couldn't even find a PCI id for it, so didn't know where to start. | 21:56 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Rocking. I'll just grab one of those. | 21:56 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Thanks! | 21:57 |
| Sarvatt_ | 1002:68F1 | 21:58 |
| Sarvatt_ | supported by fglrx too if you care about that :D | 21:58 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: How did you find it? | 21:58 |
| soren | I looked in an up-to-date pci.ids | 21:58 |
| soren | No dice. | 21:58 |
| Sarvatt_ | googled FirePro 2460 pci id, its in the description of the second result | 21:58 |
| Sarvatt_ | "ATI FirePro 2460 (FireMV)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68F1 | 21:59 |
| soren | And here I was, using grep like a sucker. | 21:59 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Wicked. Thanks! | 21:59 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: do you care about 3D performance at all? | 21:59 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, ok the mesa built locally (finally) on my test laptop. Got a whole mess of W's and E's tho | 22:00 |
| Sarvatt_ | if you're going firepro there are consumer variants that are much faster with 6 displayport outputs even | 22:00 |
| bryceh | just lintian stuff I guess | 22:00 |
| jcristau | bryceh: it's mesa, anything other than a mess would be wrong ;) | 22:00 |
| bryceh | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/534397/ | 22:00 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: I suppose the price tag is accordingly higher? | 22:01 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102888&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-Sapphire+Tech-_-14102888 | 22:01 |
| Sarvatt_ | not really | 22:01 |
| Sarvatt_ | its at least 8-10x faster of a card | 22:01 |
| bryceh | I gather all the latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-version is just because of pitti's dropping of the changelogs? Any way we could easily suppress that warning? | 22:01 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: 3d doesn't really matter. | 22:02 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: And I like the passive cooling bit. | 22:02 |
| Sarvatt_ | I haven't read up on things lately, there may even be 6870's with 6 dp outputs now too at a cheaper price | 22:02 |
| Sarvatt_ | ah yeah, that firepro is nice in that area, 13 watts max power usage too | 22:02 |
| Sarvatt_ | but its a lot of extra money for the firepro name :) | 22:03 |
| Sarvatt_ | lemme dig around, might be able to find something else | 22:03 |
| bryceh | re: linus' email... they could cut down on drm churn if they had a better non-code mechanism to deal with monitor and card quirks | 22:04 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Thanks, man. I really appreciate it. I gave up on keeping track of graphics cards years, and years and years ago. | 22:06 |
| Sarvatt_ | only 5870's with 6 mini-dp and that firepro 2460 with 4 it looks like, darn | 22:08 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: They don't have to mini-dp's if that makes a difference. | 22:08 |
| Sarvatt_ | that 2460 is amazingly slow though so I really hope you don't plan on doing anything 3D related | 22:08 |
| soren | In fact, I prefer DVI. | 22:08 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: do you have dispayport monitors? | 22:09 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Nope. | 22:09 |
| bjsnider | bryceh, what kind of mechanism? | 22:09 |
| Sarvatt_ | oh thats a problem | 22:09 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Yeah, I'd need dongles. | 22:09 |
| Sarvatt_ | active dongles if you use more than 2 | 22:09 |
| Sarvatt_ | quite expensive | 22:09 |
| bryceh | bjsnider, e.g. DeviceTree | 22:10 |
| Sarvatt_ | soren: oh nice! http://www.amazon.com/Accell-B087B-005B-DisplayPort-Single-Link-Certified/dp/B004071ZX0/ref=pd_cp_e_1 | 22:10 |
| Sarvatt_ | they got quite a bit cheaper, they used to be over $100 each | 22:10 |
| Sarvatt_ | the active part is really important, you are limited to 2 monitors otherwise if you aren't using native displayport | 22:11 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: They're (unsurprisingly, I guess) quite silent about that in the product description. | 22:15 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Or vague, at least. | 22:15 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: I would have thought an active component would have some sort of power source. | 22:16 |
| Sarvatt_ | http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=51 | 22:16 |
| Sarvatt_ | the evergreen hardware: part of it explains how complicated it is :D | 22:17 |
| Sarvatt_ | hmm, looks like I was mistaken | 22:18 |
| Sarvatt_ | oh nope, "However, you are limited to two active non-DP monitors (due to there only being two PLLs) at a time." | 22:18 |
| soren | Right. | 22:18 |
| soren | It's not entirely clear to me if I could get by with two active and two passive converters. | 22:19 |
| soren | The card seems to come with just one passive converter. | 22:19 |
| Sarvatt_ | passive ones work for up to 2 non displayport monitors, you could have 2 single link DVI with passive converters and 4 native dp at once | 22:20 |
| * Sarvatt_ is just assuming your monitors dont require dual link dvi | 22:21 | |
| soren | I think I've reached the threshold for how much information I can take in on a Friday evening. | 22:21 |
| soren | Sarvatt_: Thanks! this has been great. I'll ponder it over the weekend. | 22:22 |
| Sarvatt_ | no worries, good luck with it | 22:22 |
| Sarvatt_ | bryceh: hmm, I haven't noticed any no changelog lintian warnings.. | 22:27 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, I figured it out | 22:29 |
| Sarvatt_ | no dh_installchangelogs? | 22:29 |
| Sarvatt_ | yeah no lintian warning, just built xterm | 22:30 |
| Sarvatt_ | #XXX: FIXME - causes error with copyright file(?!) | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt_ | #dh_installdocs | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt_ | #dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt_ | sorry yeah you figured it out :) | 22:32 |
| Sarvatt_ | bryceh: already fix up cairo locally or want me to upload it? | 22:41 |
| Sarvatt_ | (optional)__gnu_lto_v1@Base 1.10.0 | 22:42 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt_, go for it | 22:42 |
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