[00:15] <SpamapS> zul: every time I do bug triage I'm reminded that we REALLY need to go over the mysql maintainer scripts and figure out why they never seem to work right. ;)
[00:23] <ewook> SpamapS: that sounds like a great idea. who thought using service for managing it a better idea? ... *grumbles*
[00:24] <SpamapS> ewook: service isn't allowed in maintainer scripts. ;)
[00:24] <SpamapS> ewook: I actually think there's a race condition in /lib/init/upstart-job .. but smarter people may disagree or feel its not as important as I do.
[00:25] <ewook> well, count me out of the smarter part :P
[00:25] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: oh, please please please! :)
[00:25] <ewook> I thought you were talking about the package in general
[00:25] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: every security update, I see the massive amounts to failed to upgrade bugs that get filed
[00:35] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: I think there are two problems. One is that we aren't trusting dh_installinit ... the other is, I think, the upstart-job race condition.
[00:35] <SpamapS> but.. we'll see... I've added it to my todo list. :)
[00:35]  * SpamapS signs off for a bit
[01:04] <iclebyte2> has anyone had trouble with 'screens' not updating in zabbix?
[01:25] <Dravekx> what's the difference between 10.10 and 10.10LTS ?
[01:26] <Pici> Dravekx: 10.10 is not an LTS release.
[01:26] <Pici> !lts
[01:26] <Dravekx> ahh.
[01:26] <Pici> LTS releases come out every two years. So: 6.06, 8.04, 10.04, etc.
[01:27] <Dravekx> Pici, thx
[01:27] <Pici> Dravekx: sure
[01:44] <centaur5> Any ideas on how I can find out why jesred isn't redirecting any traffic from squid? No configuration changed but it quit working and I can't find any error logs for jesred. Is there anything that can tell me what's happening?
[02:52] <Evanah> hi
[02:57] <Evanah> anyone here? i need help with running a game under wine, after installing and trying to run it an error pops out saying: "Failed to initialize direct3D. Aborting." does anyone know how to fix this?
[02:57]  * ball is not here.
[02:57] <ball> Evanah: You're running a game on Ubuntu Server?
[02:58] <Evanah> no, i just need help with this so i came here, cause i'm desperate and can't solve this, i've tried ubuntu forums and all
[02:59] <Evanah> this is my first time here, sorry if i'm asking for help in a wrong place
[03:00] <ball> Evanah: Where do you live?  There may be a regional Ubuntu channel where you can find help.
[03:00] <Evanah> Serbia, Europe..
[03:01] <Evanah> ok i won't bother u anymore, thnx anyway;)
[03:01] <ball> Evanah: Don't leave yet, I'm trying to look something up for you.
[03:02] <ball> Have you asked in #ubuntu-cs ?
[03:02] <ball> Oh hang on, that forwarded me to #ubuntu-cz for some reason
[03:02]  * ball is confused
[03:03] <Evanah> no, but i see now there's just "ubuntu" chat room, not ubuntu-server :) i'll try there
[03:03] <Evanah> thanks again bye
[03:04]  * ball gives up
[03:42] <mike929031238120> hey im having trouble finding a link to an iso for ubuntu server ppc
[03:45] <mike929031238120> nevermind. cdimage.ubuntu.com is where it's at
[03:58] <MTecknology> Using this - http://dpaste.com/277575/ - I have php working - be every so often I seem to get 502 errors. Any ideas why that would be happening?
[04:43] <MTecknology> Any ideas how to revert to a specific revision in subversion?
[04:45] <Dravekx> is there a way to re-install ubuntu server via remote ssh?
[05:51] <Dravekx> can someone tell me what the purpose of 10.10 is (since 10.04 LTS seems like the better standard) ?
[07:11] <eagles0513875> was giving me issues again ikonia so i guess i have to setup a 2nd account with an unencrypted home direcotry
[08:22] <icekk> Hi, I installed cvs on my ubuntu box, can log into it from the box itself, but connection is denied when another box tries to connect
[08:22] <icekk> any ideas
[09:10] <maddog> hiho
[09:12] <maddog> i have a strange problem with one of my ubuntu servers (10.10), the server has a hardware raid 6 and a crypto volume on that. when i copy data via cifs on that volume, the complete server hangs every 300mb for some seconds and then continues as if nothing happened
[11:56] <apporc> Hi everyone, Is it that xen is not supported in 10.04?
[12:05] <apporc> : Hi everyone, Is it that xen is not supported in 10.04?
[12:05] <apporc> : Hi everyone, Is it that xen is still not supported in 10.04?
[15:03] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[15:04] <eagles0513875> hey ikonia
[15:37] <StrangeCharm> i'm trying to use the partition manager on the install disk. i can't seem to set my /boot partition as bootable. what am i doing wrong?
[16:12] <Dibbler___> hello , can someone that has hands on experience with this matter , if there are noticable speed differences when installing ubuntu completely encrypted , i need to set up a remote unmanaged pc which at some points may contain sensitive data ..
[16:13] <Dibbler___> i am mostly worried about overhead when doing things like unpacking a few gigs of rar or 7zip files
[16:14] <ikonia> Dibbler___: sorry, not following what your asking
[16:15] <Dibbler___> humm , ok ,
[16:15] <Dibbler___> i am installing a new copy of ubuntu server , i am considering the option of encrypting the whole thing when enstalling
[16:15] <Dibbler___> since thes erver will be standing somewhere ... public.
[16:16] <Dibbler___> installing sorry
[16:16] <Patrickdk> depends on the cpu
[16:16] <Patrickdk> but even my cellphone does aes256 at 24MB/sec
[16:16] <Dibbler___> it's a crappy 1 core athlon at 1.2 ghz
[16:16] <Patrickdk> most real cpu's these days should give you a good 100MB/sec
[16:16] <Patrickdk> oh, that is going be lie 30MB/sec
[16:17] <Patrickdk> and I dunno why you would ever worry about rar or 7zip
[16:17] <Dibbler___> meh
[16:17] <Patrickdk> even if you used raw disk without anything, those would still be unbearably slow
[16:17] <Dibbler___> well anything basically
[16:17] <Dibbler___> i was juat taking it as an example
[16:17] <Dibbler___> any file transfers
[16:17] <Patrickdk> like I said, it will cap out at 30MB/sec
[16:18] <Patrickdk> you have to pick if that is usable for you or not
[16:18] <Patrickdk> what drive you putting in it?
[16:18] <Dibbler___> old pata 80 gig
[16:18] <Patrickdk> so that will crap out at 50-60MB/sec
[16:18] <Dibbler___> yes
[16:19] <Patrickdk> so as long as you don't use the cpu for stuff, you wouldn't notice
[16:19] <Dibbler___> so that won't be the bottleneck anyway
[16:19] <eagles0513875|2> ikonia: is there anything out of the ordinary i need to do to my Maildir if i create a new user and move my current users Maildir to another home folder? or should it work out of the box for me with out any tweaking?
[16:19] <Dibbler___> that's why i take unrar as an example
[16:19] <Dibbler___> so i would assume i would get ... meeh 15 mb/sec
[16:19] <Patrickdk> unrar will use 95% cpu
[16:19] <Dibbler___> instead of 30
[16:20] <Dibbler___> than thats fine
[16:20] <Patrickdk> unrar on that system, would only get 15mb/s maybe, without encryption
[16:20] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: just copy it
[16:20] <eagles0513875|2> ok
[16:20] <Dibbler___> so the encryption would only give 5% overhead then
[16:20] <Patrickdk> cause unrar is slow
[16:20] <Dibbler___> and stuff like ... idk parity chacking
[16:20] <Patrickdk> now if you tested it with fast encryption, like lzo or something, then the drive would slow it down (or encryption)
[16:20] <Dibbler___> would cap put at 30
[16:21] <Dibbler___> so i'd have 50% speed for that..
[16:21] <Patrickdk> parity chacking?
[16:21] <eagles0513875|2> also ikonia are all new users created with an encrypted home dir or by default they dont have an encrypted home dir?
[16:21] <Dibbler___> which would be fine i guess
[16:21] <Dibbler___> thnx for the info
[16:21] <Dibbler___> parity checking
[16:21] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: have you encypted the file system ?
[16:21] <eagles0513875|2> no
[16:21] <eagles0513875|2> just a simple ext4 partition  no file system encryption
[16:21] <ikonia> eagles0513875|2: then no
[16:21] <eagles0513875|2> ok
[16:21] <eagles0513875|2> thanks
[16:22] <Dibbler___> things that arren't cpu intensive
[16:24] <Dibbler___> thnx for the opinion Patrickdk
[16:24] <Dibbler___> ill install both and check the difference
[16:24] <Patrickdk> you mean like md5/sha?
[16:25] <Patrickdk> those are somewhat cpu intensive
[16:25] <Dibbler___> whatever the default is ubuntu server uses when installing
[16:25] <Dibbler___> i haven't looked into it in detail tbh
[16:26] <Patrickdk> heh? why do you care about it when you install ubuntu
[16:26] <Patrickdk> that will be a one time thing
[16:26] <Patrickdk> so if it takes weeks, why do you really care?
[16:26] <Dibbler___> what ?
[16:27] <Dibbler___> you asked me what type of encryption
[16:27] <Patrickdk> no I didn't
[16:27] <Dibbler___> i told you , the default on install
 you mean like md5/sha?
[16:27] <Patrickdk> "parity checking"
[16:27] <Dibbler___> ah
[16:28] <Patrickdk> or did you really mean to use parity bits? those are so unreliable
[16:28] <Dibbler___> i meant whatever quickpar does
[16:28] <Dibbler___> par2
[16:28] <Dibbler___> par
[16:28] <Patrickdk> rs encoding
[16:28] <Patrickdk> I've never cared to benchmark that
[16:29] <Dibbler___> i get full drive speed on that on my regular computer
[16:29] <Dibbler___> so i wan't expecting overhead
[16:29] <Dibbler___> wan't
[16:29] <Dibbler___> wasn't
[16:30] <Dibbler___> sorry for the typo's I was born with only 1 finger
[16:30] <Dibbler___> anyway ill install both and check the difference , if it gives 30 MB/sec i can live with that i supose
[16:59] <eagles0513875|2> hey ikonia on the new account im getting this mail error Nov 20 17:58:23 eagle dovecot: IMAP(jaquilina): fchown(/home/jaquilina/Maildir/dovecot-uidlist.tmp, -1, 114(dovecot)) failed: Operation not permitted (egid=1001(jaquilina), group based on /home/jaquilina/Maildir) its showing the inbox but not a list of my folders on squirrelmail
[17:00] <eagles0513875|2> also getting this error Nov 20 17:59:58 eagle dovecot: IMAP(jaquilina): file_dotlock_open() failed with subscription file /home/jaquilina/Maildir/subscriptions: Operation not permitted
[17:02] <eagles0513875|2> never mind i fixed it
[17:14] <Psi-Jack> Okay, so when I try to setup in /etc/network/interfaces, a bond, I have bond_mode, bond_miimon, bond_downdelay, bond_updelay, and slaves directives defined, but it never ifenslaves the interfaces specified in slaves.
[17:15] <cemc> anybody here any experience with RAID0 on SSD for / ?
[17:16] <Psi-Jack> cemc: Using Raid on SSD is by itself not smart with current tech.
[17:16] <cemc> because of no TRIM ?
[17:16] <cemc> or are there other considerations?
[17:17] <Psi-Jack> Especially because of that, but SSD has a limitation on how many times it can write, too, and raid causes extra writing.
[17:17] <cemc> raid0 too ?
[17:17] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[17:17] <cemc> I see
[17:17] <Psi-Jack> You would basically blow both of them up at the same time. heh
[17:18] <eagles0513875|2> patdk-wk: wowie never thought an encrypted home directory would create so much havock
[17:20] <cemc> Psi-Jack: thanks
[17:23] <cemc> Psi-Jack: same thing with LVM? say I have 2x80GB SSDs and I do a big 160GB LV ?
[17:24] <cemc> I guess only TRIM won't work here, right?
[17:24] <Psi-Jack> That should work, actually. Using mirror, striping, or spanning lvm.
[17:25] <Psi-Jack> But of course, mirror would have the same basic effect of raid0.
[17:25] <RoyK> striping is a little like russian roulette...
[17:26] <cemc> but will I have TRIM there?
[17:26] <cemc> would*
[17:26] <Psi-Jack> cemc: As far as I know, yes.
[17:27] <Psi-Jack> However you might have to take the vg offline to run TRIM.
[17:27] <cemc> to "run" TRIM ?
[17:28] <Psi-Jack> Seems you know very little about SSD. heh
[17:28] <cemc> well not that much, indeed
[17:29] <cemc> with having TRIM I meant like with ext4's discard
[17:29] <cemc> not 'manual' TRIM
[17:29] <cemc> where I have to run some tool to do it
[17:29] <cemc> or some script (wiper.sh?)
[17:30] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, with that, I wouldn't know, then.
[17:30] <cemc> as I understand it, if you have ext4 on top of a sda, and use discard, the kernel tells the drive to TRIM directly. but if you have LVM under it ?
[17:31] <Psi-Jack> yeah, I doubt it would work.
[17:31] <cemc> it probably wouldn't make sense, so you'll have to do it 'manually', like running some script to do it, even with offline VG
[17:31] <cemc> or offlined raid, from maybe a livecd or something
[17:32] <cemc> but I don't like the idea of having to run some 'experimental' script that would potentially destroy the LVM or RAID stuff (by accident :) )
[17:35] <cemc> you could also dump the data to a hdd, then wipe the disks clean, and redo everything, like every 6 months or so (this is a desktop we're talking about). but that's meh ;)
[17:56] <icekk> d
[18:20] <Ejdesgaard> I have installed 10.04.1 server x86 on a soekris net5501-70, with a intel 2200BG. I wan't to set it up as an access point, for my wifi only devices to connect to... But i'm missing a guide for it... any suggestions?
[18:40] <centaur5> Does anybody know of a way I can see what's happening between Squid and Jesred? For some reason it's not redirecting anything even though no configuration changes have taken place.
[19:22] <AprilToo> Installing 10.10 server from a USB, it boots fine and I get several steps into the installation. Then it says failed to copy file from CDROM, retry? yes or no. I can execute to the ash shell and see that my USB drive is mounted /cdrom and the contents of it.
[19:23] <AprilToo> what directory or file should I be looking for that the installer isn't finding on /cdrom?
[20:11] <StrangeCharm> does the bootable flag need to be set on my /boot partition to start up correctly?
[20:13] <qman__> 99% of the time, no
[20:13] <qman__> I do anyway just to avoid any potential problems
[20:24] <SpaceBass> hey folks - installed 64bit 10.04 on mac mini hardware - boots to a black screen with blinking cursor
[20:24] <SpaceBass> anyone else using minis?
[20:48] <shauno> how old's the mini?
[20:51] <shauno> short version: if "ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi" (under osx) doesn't return EFI64, you'll likely have issues
[21:11] <Aison> hello, i'm using cacti to montior some network devices. But somehow I can no longer configure cacti. The menu point Management -> Devices is suddenly blank
[21:11] <Aison> error.log of apache says:  Floating point exception (8)
[22:51] <Aison> argh, I hate NFS, you don't know HOW I hate NFS ;)
[22:52] <Aison> eg. a simple rsync with an nfs source: Stale NFS file handle (116)
[23:20] <halvors> Hi!
[23:20] <halvors> I am runnning a email server
[23:20] <halvors> I'am new to that
[23:20] <halvors> tSo how do i add domains to the email server?
[23:30] <halvors> How can i add email users and adresses to the email server?