[17:58] <vish> thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/path.png  how is this one?
[18:00] <vish> some how the first one seems better of the lot, without the mouth..
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: if there is white page background, white might be a better choice fore the skin
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: mouths are a big problem. try to get the expression across solely with the eyes
[18:41] <thorwil> the current gray on black becomes as good as invisible under some viewing conditions
[18:42] <vish> yea, mouth is more work.. and if it is brighter it is more obvious and kinda goofy
[18:42] <vish> seems better to just leave it out.. easier rather.. ;)
[18:45] <vish> thorwil:  i wanted to use the orange, to keep it closer to the smilies and since i'm using it in the banner.. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner.png
[18:47] <thorwil> vish: nice typography
[18:48] <vish> thorwil: hmm thanks, i can never be sure if you are making fun or are serious.. :p
[18:48] <thorwil> vish: ninja could be closer to the type and you have to fine tune left vs right margin
[18:49] <thorwil> vish: i don't use sarcasm in such feedback. or i would at least mark it one way or the other
[18:49] <vish>  :)
[18:50]  * vish checks margins again..
[18:51] <thorwil> vish: if you have a gradient/lighting effect like that on the background, it's alway worth applying the same on the foreground. that is, a very subtle gradient to imply the same lighting situation. while considering that the "print" may reflect differently
[18:52] <vish> ooh..
[18:52] <vish> i tried that, but was lazy and tried with only one gradient..
[18:52] <vish> will try with an extra gradient
[18:53] <thorwil> vish: the margin on the right needs to be slightly larger to seem as wide as the left one. due to having straight lines on one side, and a curve on the other. the same reason why an o sits slightly below the baseline in common fonts
[18:54] <thorwil> actually other way around, but i guess you get the idea ;)
[18:55] <vish> thorwil: yeah.. i noticed that and tried to compensate, but looks like it needs a bit more tweaking
[18:56] <thorwil> vish: looking at it some more, forget about seemingly equal margins. maje it obviously wider on the right, to babalnce the heavy weight of the smiley a bit
[18:59] <thorwil> vish: do you actually have a use for several different expressions? neutral, 2 levels of smiling, a "now what are you up to?" and perhaps surprise should be doable with just eyes
[19:00] <vish> thorwil: nah i dont have to use, i was just trying the expressions for the team logo..
[19:01] <vish> thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner-tweak.png  this is just 2px to the right, and it seems empty in the center..
[19:01] <vish> well atleast to my eyes..
[19:03] <thorwil> vish: try moving both ninja and type leftwards. perhaps also decrease the gap between them
[19:09] <vish> thorwil: seems better now : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner-twe.png
[19:10] <thorwil> vish: yes. good use of gradients, too
[19:12] <vish> yay, that does it for the logo.. thx thorwil..
[19:12] <thorwil> my pleasure :)
[19:14] <vish> gah! now , i'll have to write a blog post and announce the team..
[19:14] <vish> thorwil: hehe first i was trying to get it right this way: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner%20%28another%20copy%29.png ;)
[19:15] <thorwil> phew, good thing you changed direction :)
[19:16] <vish> yeah, i could not get the right font size.. not sure what's up with that.. after 72 there is only 144 pt
[19:18] <thorwil> vish: you do know that you can enter any number there? aside of just scaling the text on-canvas?
[19:19] <vish> thorwil: i tried that, but Ubuntu font either doesnt have the size or inkscape is not doing it right here
[19:20] <thorwil> vish: here i can have sizes like 80 or 96 without problem
[19:23] <vish> thorwil: oops, i was using it wrong!! i had to hit 'enter' , i usually 'tab' out of the fields
[19:23] <thorwil> 0.o
[19:24] <vish> thorwil: like for the x and y axis, i just enter the number and tab to the next..
[19:24] <vish> bad inkscape.. ;p
[19:25] <vish> even for strokes and other stuff 'tab' is what i always use.. huh! PAPERCUT! ;p