[17:58] thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/path.png how is this one? [18:00] some how the first one seems better of the lot, without the mouth.. [18:40] vish: if there is white page background, white might be a better choice fore the skin [18:40] vish: mouths are a big problem. try to get the expression across solely with the eyes [18:41] the current gray on black becomes as good as invisible under some viewing conditions [18:42] yea, mouth is more work.. and if it is brighter it is more obvious and kinda goofy [18:42] seems better to just leave it out.. easier rather.. ;) [18:45] thorwil: i wanted to use the orange, to keep it closer to the smilies and since i'm using it in the banner.. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner.png [18:47] vish: nice typography [18:48] thorwil: hmm thanks, i can never be sure if you are making fun or are serious.. :p [18:48] vish: ninja could be closer to the type and you have to fine tune left vs right margin [18:49] vish: i don't use sarcasm in such feedback. or i would at least mark it one way or the other [18:49] :) [18:50] * vish checks margins again.. [18:51] vish: if you have a gradient/lighting effect like that on the background, it's alway worth applying the same on the foreground. that is, a very subtle gradient to imply the same lighting situation. while considering that the "print" may reflect differently [18:52] ooh.. [18:52] i tried that, but was lazy and tried with only one gradient.. [18:52] will try with an extra gradient [18:53] vish: the margin on the right needs to be slightly larger to seem as wide as the left one. due to having straight lines on one side, and a curve on the other. the same reason why an o sits slightly below the baseline in common fonts [18:54] actually other way around, but i guess you get the idea ;) [18:55] thorwil: yeah.. i noticed that and tried to compensate, but looks like it needs a bit more tweaking [18:56] vish: looking at it some more, forget about seemingly equal margins. maje it obviously wider on the right, to babalnce the heavy weight of the smiley a bit [18:59] vish: do you actually have a use for several different expressions? neutral, 2 levels of smiling, a "now what are you up to?" and perhaps surprise should be doable with just eyes [19:00] thorwil: nah i dont have to use, i was just trying the expressions for the team logo.. [19:01] thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner-tweak.png this is just 2px to the right, and it seems empty in the center.. [19:01] well atleast to my eyes.. [19:03] vish: try moving both ninja and type leftwards. perhaps also decrease the gap between them [19:09] thorwil: seems better now : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner-twe.png [19:10] vish: yes. good use of gradients, too [19:12] yay, that does it for the logo.. thx thorwil.. [19:12] my pleasure :) [19:14] gah! now , i'll have to write a blog post and announce the team.. [19:14] thorwil: hehe first i was trying to get it right this way: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Ninja-banner%20%28another%20copy%29.png ;) [19:15] phew, good thing you changed direction :) [19:16] yeah, i could not get the right font size.. not sure what's up with that.. after 72 there is only 144 pt [19:18] vish: you do know that you can enter any number there? aside of just scaling the text on-canvas? [19:19] thorwil: i tried that, but Ubuntu font either doesnt have the size or inkscape is not doing it right here [19:20] vish: here i can have sizes like 80 or 96 without problem [19:23] thorwil: oops, i was using it wrong!! i had to hit 'enter' , i usually 'tab' out of the fields [19:23] 0.o [19:24] thorwil: like for the x and y axis, i just enter the number and tab to the next.. [19:24] bad inkscape.. ;p [19:25] even for strokes and other stuff 'tab' is what i always use.. huh! PAPERCUT! ;p