| virtuald | paultag: you're supposed to have a package training session now | 00:25 |
|---|---|---|
| virtuald | paultag: according to classbot it started 26 minutes ago :) | 00:26 |
| paultag | off-by-one virtuald :) | 00:39 |
| paultag | it's on sunday last I was told | 00:40 |
| paultag | unless... | 00:40 |
| paultag | crap, brb, food's burning | 00:40 |
| virtuald | paultag: twitter and google calendar says it's now :p | 00:44 |
| penguin42 | google is all knowing | 00:44 |
| virtuald | yeah | 00:44 |
| virtuald | the closest thing to a god we have | 00:45 |
| paultag | shoot! | 01:36 |
| infinity__ | hi all | 02:44 |
| infinity__ | can i ask something | 02:44 |
| xelister | recent ubuntu updates destroyed my bitcoin miner program | 02:45 |
| xelister | it uses python a bit, and mostly opencl. With amd stream sdk, and closed source drivers. | 02:45 |
| xelister | Im trying to debug this... | 02:45 |
| xelister | - how to get packages as I had them 5 days ago? i.e. I know what packages I want to downgrade, now how to find out the version and do it? | 02:46 |
| xelister | - btw how to know exact gfx driver in use, and version of fglrx, and of catalyst drivers (radeon)? | 02:47 |
| infinity__ | some icons in the taskbar and the avatars in skype are broken, sometimes they are not (i`m using kubuntu) | 02:49 |
| vish | nisshh: no need to move 'new' bugs, only the triaged and inprogress , maybe the confirmed ones at times.. milestone the bugs only when you feel they are papercuts | 05:42 |
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| devildante | anyone have text disappearing in natty? | 11:31 |
| ari-tczew | devildante: which text? | 11:35 |
| devildante | lemme explain | 11:36 |
| devildante | when logging in to gnome, the wallpaper + panels appears like usual, but any text on them doesn't | 11:37 |
| devildante | worse, ANY text from any window or dialog doesn't appear | 11:37 |
| yofel | (-> #ubuntu+1) | 11:38 |
| yofel | but I only heard of the panels not coming up at all, not yet that they appear but without text o.O | 11:39 |
| devildante | yofel: not only the panels, everything that has text on it | 11:41 |
| devildante | that includes terminal, menus, etc | 11:41 |
| yofel | no idea, I'm using KDE which works fine in natty | 11:41 |
| devildante | ah | 11:41 |
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| BUGabundo | o/ | 13:46 |
| AbhiJit | \o/ | 13:47 |
| penguin42 | I think bug 678125 should probably be set to wishlist | 15:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 678125 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "No A6 format preset in 'page' dialog (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678125 | 15:11 |
| charlie-tca | I take it that is a different paper size; like letter, legal, A4? | 15:13 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 15:13 |
| charlie-tca | Never heard of A6 before, myself. I agree with wishlist, though. will set it | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | charlie-tca: It's one of the sequence of ISO paper sizes; they go smaller as you get a larger number; i.e. a6 is smaller than a5 is smaller than a4 | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | charlie-tca: http://www.ukofficedirect.co.uk/iso_paper_size_cp.aspx | 15:14 |
| charlie-tca | Probably needs to go upstream, too | 15:15 |
| charlie-tca | set it to wishlist | 15:15 |
| penguin42 | I can upstream it | 15:16 |
| penguin42 | I've never actually had a use for A6 that I can think of, A3,A4 and A5 are quite common | 15:17 |
| penguin42 | hehe, I've just found an upstream bug which fixed i t - last week even though it had been open for ~4 years | 15:19 |
| * penguin42 reads the wikipedia page on paper sizes and learns a whole bunch of probably useless info | 15:25 | |
| charlie-tca | thanks, penguin42. | 15:29 |
| penguin42 | can someone set importance on bug 677955 - I suggest low | 15:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 677955 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Grub 1.98 crashes with command 'help b' (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677955 | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | Why is that even valid? I would think most commands if run by the alphabet will crash on some letters | 15:49 |
| charlie-tca | Or, does every crash mean it is a bug? | 15:50 |
| penguin42 | help b should display help on the b commands | 15:52 |
| penguin42 | help should never crash | 15:53 |
| charlie-tca | yeah? Okay, triaged and low | 15:53 |
| charlie-tca | My new item learned today! Thanks | 15:54 |
| penguin42 | charlie-tca: A command might tell you that a parameter is invalid or if the parameter is something like an address then it could do something evil, but in general it shouldn't hang the machine | 15:54 |
| charlie-tca | I agree with that. I did not know that help (letter) would display help for that letters commands. does that work everywhere or just in grub? | 15:55 |
| * charlie-tca hates the grub command line thingy | 15:56 | |
| penguin42 | help is a grub command | 15:56 |
| penguin42 | bash also has it | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | heh, Thanks so very much. I tend to even reinstall if it is a fresh install dropping me to the grub command line. | 15:57 |
| penguin42 | I preferred old-grub1 but grub command line can get you out of one hell of a mess | 15:58 |
| charlie-tca | I suppose it can, I just try really hard not to use it | 15:59 |
| penguin42 | it's got tab complete and stuff so it's not too bad - especially compared to what Grub1 setup was like in the early days | 16:01 |
| penguin42 | (Anyone who understands Chinese might like to take a look at bug 677841 - google translate doesn't do a very good job) | 16:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 677841 in empathy (Ubuntu) "無法顯示名子，只顯示帳號 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677841 | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | Might be a good one to try the "convert to a question so it can be translated" thing | 16:03 |
| kklimonda | indeed, it's the new, proposed workflow | 16:03 |
| penguin42 | well it's already got a forum discussion associated with it | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | Still needs to be translated, though, right? | 16:04 |
| kklimonda | I still don't think it's worth an effort but meh, I'm not going to translate it myself :) | 16:04 |
| kklimonda | penguin42: forum discussion is also in Taiwanese | 16:04 |
| mortal | when will the new pidgin be uploaded? | 16:45 |
| kklimonda | new? | 17:07 |
| kklimonda | mortal: to natty, as soon as someone have time to do that. to previous releases never, unless you count in backports (in which case it's the same as natty - as soon as someone asks for it and developers have time to prepare a backport) | 17:08 |
| xelister | on ubuntu, how to check installed fglrx version? | 17:14 |
| penguin42 | remind me, does ubuntu pull from sid or testing ? | 17:14 |
| xelister | debian guy thinks ubuntu sucks because dpkg can't even say what fglrx version it is, and debian does. version like 10.09 drivers etc | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | what's the debian guy on? dpkg will show you the version of your package? | 17:16 |
| xelister | yeah but it shows stupid version, like | 17:17 |
| xelister | 2:8.780-0ubuntu2 | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | and why's that stupid? | 17:18 |
| xelister | well debian says | 17:18 |
| xelister | fglrx-driver 1:10-10-1 | 17:18 |
| xelister | which is much more informative, because it refers to ATI's upstream version number (10.10) which is important in debugging etc with AMD/Ati | 17:19 |
| xelister | and here on Ubuntu if some Ati guys asks "what drivers you use, 10.10 or 10.9" I can't say | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | hmm | 17:20 |
| xelister | 10.9 = 8.771 10.10 = 8.783 | 17:22 |
| penguin42 | and I don't think it's that out of date | 17:22 |
| penguin42 | xelister: It should show the version in /var/log/Xorg.0.log anyway when you try and run it | 17:22 |
| xelister | ubuntu uses some strange version between officiall 10.9 and 10.10 (other guys say, probobly they are right) why not just ship 10.10 based driver then (and btw, name it like, 2:8.780-0ubuntu2-catalyst-10-10-based or something) | 17:23 |
| xelister | Im on maverick | 17:23 |
| penguin42 | I don't know the mechanics of how it gets packages - you could try #ubuntu-x | 17:24 |
| penguin42 | xelister: However you might get further if you don't say it sucks; even if it isn't clear! | 17:24 |
| xelister | well I was toning down what he said lol | 17:26 |
| penguin42 | hehe | 17:26 |
| xelister | anyhow, on #bitcoin-dev there are often interesting discussion about GFX hardware, also on linuxes and ubuntu. bbl | 17:26 |
| micahg | xelister: penguin42, we got a pre-release version of the AMD driver to ship with | 17:50 |
| penguin42 | micahg: Yeh makes sense; so why the weird numbering? | 17:50 |
| micahg | penguin42: it's a pre-release version | 17:51 |
| penguin42 | micahg: But I think what xelister is pointing is that the numbering doesn't look even similar tot eh ati numbering; the current ati numbering is 10.x | 17:52 |
| yofel | micahg: that means we only had pre-release versions? I can't remember the package ever having a logical version number | 17:52 |
| micahg | penguin42: no, that's the catalyst version, not the fglrx version | 17:52 |
| yofel | xelister: you should probably go to #ubuntu-x and ask Sarvatt. IIRC he makes the packages for the x-updates ppa so he should know where the numbers are from | 17:53 |
| micahg | yofel: huh?, no just for maverick we got the prerelease so we could ship with KMS for ATI AFAIK | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | micahg: Ah there was only one number visible on the ATI website to casual inspection | 17:53 |
| yofel | micahg: ah, I didn't know there was a difference between catalyst and fglrx, I always assumed they're the same | 17:54 |
| yofel | most people that asked about ati ususally didn't make much of a difference there | 17:54 |
| yofel | then again, why do the debian folks use the catalyst version for the fglrx package then... | 17:58 |
| yofel | great, viewing the ati homepage crashed ffx4.. | 17:59 |
| yofel | micahg: by the way... about the mozilla crash reporter: Just adding a comment what I was doing and sending the report is fine? | 18:00 |
| micahg | yofel: yep | 18:01 |
| micahg | yofel: we're working on getting access to those upstream crash reports as well in case there's an Ubuntu specific issue | 18:01 |
| xelister | krusader seems to be totall crap | 18:08 |
| xelister | it crashes. always. for long time. | 18:09 |
| xelister | will anyone ever fix it | 18:09 |
| xelister | crashed again, as usuall, when closing some tab | 18:09 |
| micahg | xelister: have you used the KDE crash reporting tool? | 18:09 |
| xelister | yeah I will. probably will not help anything. | 18:11 |
| xelister | also bugs there where reported many many times since always | 18:11 |
| xelister | same bugs | 18:11 |
| penguin42 | hi can someone look at bug 65821 and tell me if they agree that it is not a dupe of 595321 ? | 18:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 65821 in mutt (Ubuntu) "edgy beta - mutt sasl authentication broken (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65821 | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | try that again | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | bug 658521 | 18:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 658521 in mountall (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "In Live session or installation HD not recognized (dup-of: 595321)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658521 | 18:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 595321 in linux (Ubuntu) "Sata drives not detected by 2.6.35.* kernels (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595321 | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | that's better | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | It is a linux bug. We do not mark any bugs against the kernel as duplicates | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | You need to have the kernel team review it for that. #ubuntu-kernel | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | charlie-tca: Indeed - I think what confused it was that 658521 wasn't marked as Linux | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | you can't tell who marked it as a dupe can you? | 18:50 |
| penguin42 | (If it was one of the kernel guys I wouldn't undupe it - otherwise I think I should) | 18:50 |
| yofel | you can - full activity log (I think that's njin) | 18:51 |
| yofel | 2010-10-30 12:49:03 Fabio Marconi marked as duplicate 595321 | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | njin | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | isn't it? | 18:51 |
| yofel | it is | 18:51 |
| penguin42 | ok, I'll flip it to Linux and undupe it | 18:52 |
| micahg | :( | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks again, penguin42. That was a good find | 18:58 |
| penguin42 | someone on +1 seems to have the same controller | 18:58 |
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| maco | lifeless: why shouldnt it be a bug on launchpad that launchpad is giving an incorrect command to users? | 23:15 |
| lifeless | maco: launchpad doesn't give that command | 23:15 |
| lifeless | maco: its just data configured by the ubuntu bug squad | 23:16 |
| lifeless | maco: also, its an ubuntu bug if they changed things incompatibly with their own messages | 23:16 |
| maco | well then the package would be apport | 23:17 |
| lifeless | perhaps | 23:17 |
| maco | but how does the message on lp get changed? | 23:17 |
| lifeless | just edit it | 23:18 |
| lifeless | I may be wrong, but I really wouldn't expect this to be code rather than data. | 23:20 |
| maco | edit it where? | 23:21 |
| JanC | I guess an ubuntu project owner has to set it or something like that? | 23:22 |
| micahg | what's the issue? | 23:23 |
| maco | the "please use ubuntu-bug" message on lp gives a deprecated syntax for how to use it | 23:24 |
| micahg | maco: where? | 23:24 |
| lifeless | this one | 23:24 |
| lifeless | xterm (Ubuntu) bug reporting guidelines: | 23:24 |
| lifeless | Please report bugs against xterm with this command: | 23:24 |
| lifeless | $ ubuntu-bug -p xterm | 23:24 |
| lifeless | For more tips on effective bug reporting against Ubuntu Xorg packages, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting and thanks ahead of time! | 23:24 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+filebug | 23:24 |
| micahg | yeah, we can edit that | 23:25 |
| lifeless | maco: in summary: data in launchpad isn't a bug of launchpad itself. | 23:26 |
| maco | is there a better place to report such bugs than the blackhole of no-package-set? | 23:27 |
| lifeless | I don't know | 23:28 |
| lifeless | Is there a meta place for bugs about ubuntu itself: governance issues, TB issues etc. | 23:29 |
| lifeless | speaking of bug stuff | 23:32 |
| lifeless | anyone got an answer for the last question in bug 677558 | 23:33 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 677558 in launchpad "launchpad chooses package fglrx-installer when reporting a bug for package fglrx (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677558 | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | lifeless: yes, there is a way. | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | I don't how practical it is or how to implement it though. | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | I can use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search to search for any package, binary or source. | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | If it is a binary package, it will give me the source it is in | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | Since launchpad bugs are always filed against source packages, searching for fglrx shows me fglrx-installer as the package affected | 23:41 |
| lifeless | charlie-tca: yeah, but how can we communicate better with users that don't know this structure | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | Education? | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | We need to educate the users either through classes or documentation. | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | perhaps we need to review the procedures we (bug triagers) use. Why do we insist on telling the reporter "you made a mistake. The package should have been..." instead of just changing it to the correct package | 23:51 |
| charlie-tca | The reporter should be able to tell us "this is a bug I found." Part of triaging is to insure the package is correct. The reporter did not make a mistake. | 23:52 |
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