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| CIA-42 | [muon] jmthomas * 1199490 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (13 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed) | 03:08 |
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| CIA-42 | Big overhaul of progress reporting for transactions: - Add a queue so that you | 03:08 |
| CIA-42 | can browse/install other packages while downloading - Send out custom signals | 03:08 |
| CIA-42 | [muon] jmthomas * 1199491 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsView.cpp I had forgotten to remove this line. | 03:09 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| ScottK | Was missing build-dep. | 04:28 |
| ScottK | Sigh. Or not. | 04:31 |
| ScottK | Meh. Off to bed. http://paste.ubuntu.com/535077/ | 05:06 |
| ScottK | Good luck whoever wants the next stab at it. | 05:06 |
| JontheEchidna | -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII | 05:12 |
| JontheEchidna | is the flag that's causing the error | 05:12 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, maybe not | 05:13 |
| JontheEchidna | because I would think that even with that you could still do QString("lulz") | 05:13 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, that would only be a problem if it was trying to do aString = "lulz". (Assigning a const char vs initializing from one) | 05:14 |
| JontheEchidna | but, I'm off to bed too | 05:14 |
| === hrw|conf is now known as hrw | ||
| mfraz74 | i have tried this in #kubuntu, but haven't seen any help I am unable to upgrade my computer from 10.04 to 10.10 as it Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade | 09:50 |
| mfraz74 | i have also installed kde 4.5.3 | 09:50 |
| hrw | mfraz74: from kubuntu ppa? | 09:56 |
| mfraz74 | yes | 09:58 |
| hrw | check versions. maybe you will have to manually select them | 09:58 |
| mfraz74 | hrw: how would i do that? | 09:59 |
| hrw | I used aptitude but I am console type | 10:00 |
| mfraz74 | that's ok i use aptitude and apt-get | 10:00 |
| * apachelogger notes that aptitude upgrading is not QA'd | 10:01 | |
| mfraz74 | at the moment my only option is to remove kubuntu-desktop and then reinstall it once i am running 10.10 | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | well | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | the problem is that 4.5.3 > 4.5.1 (which is in maverick) | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | now kubuntu-desktop through some way depends on a package that explicitly wants 4.5.1, but since you have 4.5.1 that relation breaks and kubuntu-desktop needs to be booted | 10:05 |
| mfraz74 | apachelogger: ah | 10:05 |
| mfraz74 | so if i use ppa-purge to remove kde 4.5.3 and then try again it should work? | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | probably | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | though I think reinstalling kubuntu-desktop after upgrade is a better approach | 10:08 |
| * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer | 10:08 | |
| mfraz74 | ok | 10:08 |
| hrw | and report upgrade bug? | 10:09 |
| mfraz74 | i will add it to the bug i reported earlier | 10:10 |
| mfraz74 | Bug #678429 | 10:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 678429 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Could not determine the upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678429 | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | hrw: there is no real upgrade bug | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | 4.5.3 is not officially in 10.04 | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | hmmm | 10:14 |
| hrw | sure, but kubuntu team officially provides 4.5.3 for 1010 | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | mfraz74: your log actually seems to indicate problems with foomatic* | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | hrw: semi-official | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | Package plasma-netbook has broken Depends on libkephal4 | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | Considering libkephal4 17 as a solution to plasma-netbook 4 | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | Holding Back plasma-netbook rather than change libkephal4 | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | ehm | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | mfraz74: something is very wrong :P | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | mfraz74: sudo apt-get check | 10:16 |
| mfraz74 | nothing | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:17 |
| * apachelogger watches launchpad being slow :( | 10:18 | |
| apachelogger | mfraz74: is plasma-netbook installed? | 10:19 |
| * apachelogger finds this jolly weird that libkephal4 would form a broken releation | 10:19 | |
| mfraz74 | apachelogger: no | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | oh | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | mfraz74: installing it should resolve one part of the problem | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | plasma-netbook depends on libkephal4 (= 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8) | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | since you have a newer version that forms a broken relation | 10:20 |
| mfraz74 | will that then give me a netbook interface? | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | no | 10:21 |
| mfraz74 | trying some thing else first | 10:26 |
| mfraz74 | i've now got kubuntu-netbook-default-settings | 10:33 |
| mfraz74 | could this happen to someone else if they have the backports ppa enabled and then upgrade to 10.10? | 10:41 |
| allee | FYI: bad week start: 10.04 upgrade 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3. Reboot -> intel drv: black screen, only cursor visible after login (confirmed with newly created user). Last proc started is knotify4 | 10:43 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| Riddell | shadeslayer: want to put that announce on kubuntu.org ? | 11:56 |
| Mamarok_ | arghs, I can't start OpenOffice anymore, I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1998821 | 11:56 |
| Mamarok_ | I use two monitors, works fine with Koffice | 11:56 |
| Riddell | Mamarok_: check you don't have QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster | 11:57 |
| Riddell | ScottK: nothing new in kde4libs bzr | 11:58 |
| Mamarok_ | Riddell: not AFAIK, let me check | 12:06 |
| Mamarok_ | oops, you are right, that was indeed raster... | 12:07 |
| Mamarok_ | I guerss I need to restart X, right? | 12:07 |
| Mamarok_ | guess* | 12:07 |
| Riddell | Mamarok_: no just unset that | 12:07 |
| Riddell | export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native will do it | 12:08 |
| Mamarok_ | didn't help | 12:08 |
| Mamarok_ | oh, wait... | 12:08 |
| Mamarok_ | Riddell: yes, that was it :) Thanks a lot! | 12:08 |
| Riddell | Mamarok_: are you on natty already? | 12:09 |
| Mamarok_ | Riddell: not yet, stil Maverick | 12:18 |
| Mamarok_ | I ne:)ed a productive system, tis is my work machine | 12:19 |
| Mamarok_ | hm, that smile should have gone to the end... | 12:19 |
| Riddell | Mamarok_: so I wonder how you got QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster set | 12:20 |
| Riddell | Mamarok_: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem ? | 12:20 |
| Mamarok_ | Riddell: that was a leftover of my tries to have a dual monitor setup | 12:21 |
| Mamarok_ | no, I don't have such a file | 12:22 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It helps if I actually push it. It's there now. | 13:29 |
| ScottK | Riddell: In addition to what's in bzr, it seems to want to build against upower, although I'm not sure which exact package. | 13:31 |
| Riddell | ScottK: how did you get around the need for newer libpolkit-qt-1-dev and soprano than exist? | 13:32 |
| ScottK | Riddell: There are snapshots in Ninjas. | 13:33 |
| Riddell | clever | 13:34 |
| ScottK | I think we've got the needed kdesupport stuff for libs. Still need a newer akonadi for pimlibs. | 13:34 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: can I delete the lucid stuff from ninjas? | 13:38 |
| ScottK | Looks like maybe it wants udisks too. | 13:39 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | ||
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you upload the attica package that I put in Ninjas or did you package it yourself? | 13:45 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I packaged it myself, didn't see it was in ninjas | 13:45 |
| Riddell | it's the 0.2 release I packaged | 13:46 |
| Riddell | also did grantlee | 13:46 |
| ScottK | OK. I didn't realize 0.2 was out. | 13:46 |
| * ScottK took 0.19 from ktown | 13:46 | |
| steveire | What's the right way to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 these days? | 13:48 |
| Riddell | steveire: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu | 13:51 |
| steveire | There used to be a command line tool like do-release-upgrade or something? | 13:51 |
| Riddell | steveire: yes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades | 13:53 |
| Riddell | it's just a different frontend to the same upgrade tool | 13:53 |
| steveire | Riddell: Thanks. Got that in #kubuntu I tihnk | 13:54 |
| Tm_T | good old factoids | 13:54 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I have kde4libs compiling away happily now | 13:55 |
| Riddell | ScottK: where do you see it needing upower and udisks? | 13:56 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Cool. Let me know when you get past 8%. | 13:56 |
| ScottK | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535033/ is the build failure I got last night the makes me think that. | 13:57 |
| Riddell | ScottK: how did you get past the qstring error? /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstring.h:601:5: error: 'QString::QString(const char*)' is private | 14:01 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Not sure. I got that one once and not another time. | 14:02 |
| ScottK | I only got it when I'd tried to build more than once, so I have a suspicion clean is buggy somehow. | 14:02 |
| ScottK | I'd start over with a clean builddir | 14:02 |
| ScottK | Riddell: FYI, when symbols are introduced by a new upstream version, it's a best practice to only list the upstream version in the symbols file and not the revision. | 14:03 |
| ScottK | I'm changing that and adding my debian/copyright updates to attica. | 14:03 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yeah I know, my fault | 14:05 |
| ScottK | Easy enough to fix and I had the debian/copyright changes to upload anyway. | 14:05 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| ScottK | Riddell: I just pushed a small rules change for kde4libs. Please pull from bzr again when it's convenient. | 14:21 |
| ScottK | It won't affect building, but I had to drop part of one patch since the code had completely changed (and it should probably get put back in an appropriate place sometime): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/289#debian/patches/kubuntu_05_langpack_desktop_files.diff | 14:24 |
| highvoltage | hey, anyone here familiar with http://sourceforge.net/projects/openteacher/ or whether anyone's currently working on packaging it? | 14:43 |
| Riddell | highvoltage: can't say I've ever heard of it | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yes and sure why not | 14:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: do you have access details to kubuntu.org? | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | yus | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | but im playing with my new Desire | 14:55 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 14:55 |
| Riddell | what's that? | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I got a new phone | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | the HTC Desire | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan_: ^^ | 14:56 |
| highvoltage | shadeslayer: I'm torn between a Desire and N900 :/ | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | highvoltage: Get the Desire | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | highvoltage: also depends on your usecase | 14:59 |
| highvoltage | I like that the N900 is a real little computer whith a real littel debian system on it. that's awesome. | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | If you will spend hacking on it and NOT use it as your primary Phone, get the N900 | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | if you want a phone... not a computer... get the Desire | 15:00 |
| highvoltage | ok | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | I already have a laptop and will use the phone as a phone :P | 15:01 |
| Riddell | ScottK: patches updated, now at 14% compiled | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | highvoltage: im already playing a mp3 + have a web browser open + have the manual open.... no stuttering or anything | 15:03 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Cool. | 15:09 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: good | 15:09 |
| highvoltage | shadeslayer: ah, my $25 samsung cheapie phone can do that too ;) | 15:15 |
| highvoltage | (although it's web browser is admittingly crappy) | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | get the | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | n900 | 15:15 |
| steveire | Why does the 'report a bug' link on this page not take me to a page where I can fill in a bug report: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu | 15:21 |
| steveire | Can someone link me to the actual bug report form? | 15:21 |
| Riddell | steveire: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ? | 15:21 |
| Riddell | or use the ubuntu-bug <packagename> command line | 15:22 |
| steveire | Riddell: That also redirects me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | 15:24 |
| Riddell | steveire: use ubuntu-bug then | 15:24 |
| Riddell | (this is a somewhat controvertial issue) | 15:25 |
| steveire | Why is it controvesial? I think adding ?no-redirect helps | 15:26 |
| Riddell | well forcing people to use ubuntu-bug means we get some package specific bits that it adds, but stopping people from filing through the website directly might stop some people from filing bugs at all | 15:27 |
| steveire | It nearly stopped me | 15:28 |
| steveire | I managed though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088 | 15:28 |
| Riddell | "Can't mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)" I wonder what that means | 15:31 |
| steveire | http://dpaste.com/278442/ apup == update && upgrade | 15:32 |
| Riddell | "Holding Back plasma-netbook rather than change libkephal4" worth trying removing plasma-netbook I guess | 15:34 |
| steveire | http://dpaste.com/278444/ Not sure where you see that, but it doesn't seem accurate | 15:36 |
| Riddell | I was looking at apt.log | 15:40 |
| Riddell | steveire: dunno, asking mvo the DistUpgrade tool author | 15:44 |
| Riddell | steveire: hmm well he just points to the same place, do you have something funny with libkephal4 ? | 15:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK: do you know what we're expected to say in this sru meeting? | 15:58 |
| steveire | Riddell: http://dpaste.com/278451/ I don't even know what libkephal does. | 16:05 |
| Riddell | steveire: oh, you have 4.5.2 | 16:07 |
| Riddell | steveire: oh, you have 4.5.2 | 16:07 |
| Riddell | steveire: oh, you have 4.5.3 | 16:07 |
| Riddell | grr | 16:07 |
| Riddell | which is newer than the version in 10.10 | 16:07 |
| Riddell | so the upgrade won't work | 16:08 |
| Riddell | not until we get 4.5.3 into -updates | 16:08 |
| Riddell | hmm | 16:08 |
| steveire | Wouldn't that mean that anyone using the ppa would have the same problem? | 16:10 |
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| Riddell | steveire: yes, we should make that clear on the announcement | 16:11 |
| === ximion is now known as makl | ||
| === makl is now known as ximion | ||
| steveire | It should also be made clear in the ppa page. | 16:11 |
| Riddell | steveire: so I guess for upgrade you need to remove kdelibs5, reinstall kubuntu-desktop and then upgrade | 16:12 |
| Riddell | sorry about that | 16:12 |
| steveire | And anywhere mentioning the upgrade using the ppa, that it will break when you try to upgrade | 16:12 |
| txwikinger | How many databases does KDE run in the background? | 16:12 |
| steveire | I won't bother upgrading in that case. | 16:13 |
| steveire | I'll have to do a clean install at some stage and remember never to use a upgrade-kde-ppa again. | 16:14 |
| steveire | Thanks for your help figuring it out. | 16:14 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: two, depending on what you call a database | 16:16 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: Well. I mean akonadi-mysql virtuoso etc | 16:16 |
| txwikinger | I am not sure why I need 22 processes of mysqld-akonadi run on a netbook | 16:17 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: there should be only one mysqld-akonadi process | 16:18 |
| Tm_T | wooo, I have maverick installed, finally | 16:19 |
| Tm_T | also, I got new PC, no more lottery if I get one even booted | 16:20 |
| txwikinger | Well.. ok.. they are threats not processes | 16:20 |
| txwikinger | but still | 16:21 |
| txwikinger | hmm .. actually not sure.. htop and ps give me different results | 16:21 |
| txwikinger | and in proc they are shown too | 16:22 |
| Tm_T | prolly threads nonetheles | 16:23 |
| Tm_T | s | 16:23 |
| txwikinger | Why would threats show up in the proc directory? Somewhat inconsistent | 16:25 |
| Tm_T | 48? | 16:31 |
| steveire | Riddell: Will I eventually have an upgrade path if the KDE version in 10.10 gets upgraded? | 16:39 |
| Riddell | steveire: yes should do | 16:41 |
| steveire | Great. | 16:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: note ^^ | 16:50 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: so if we have same KDE version in Lucid -> Maverick -> Natty ... you cant upgrade? :O | 16:50 |
| shadeslayer | weirdness | 16:50 |
| Riddell | same version is fine | 16:52 |
| Riddell | it's if lucid is greater than maverick that it's a problem | 16:52 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 16:52 |
| shadeslayer | but i versioned everything to ~lucid1~ppa1 | 16:52 |
| Riddell | we just need to note that on the announce and maybe the PPA description page | 16:53 |
| shadeslayer | how can that be greater than Maverick? | 16:53 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: because he installed 4.5.3 | 16:54 |
| shadeslayer | OHHHHHHHHHH | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | ah... i get it | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | maverick has 4.5.1 | 16:55 |
| Riddell | yes | 16:56 |
| shadeslayer | and this would have been the same with 4.5.2/4.5.1 in lucid | 16:56 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: sip-qt ping | 17:01 |
| Riddell | ScottK: well solid really doesn't want to link http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/q8ALLNq9 | 17:23 |
| Riddell | ScottK: "there is already an akonadi 1.4.80 tarball" | 17:26 |
| Riddell | says dirk | 17:26 |
| Riddell | ScottK: a whole week of holiday? | 17:33 |
| \sh | ScottK has holiday? | 17:34 |
| === hrw is now known as hrw|gone | ||
| ScottK | Riddell: Thursday is the formal holiday, but I've got plans for Friday as well. | 18:24 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I"ll be around tomorrow. | 18:24 |
| Riddell | ScottK: groovy got solid compiling with a trunk patch | 18:24 |
| * Riddell out for a bit | 18:24 | |
| ScottK | Cool | 18:25 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Any suggestions where I find this akonadi tarball? | 18:30 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I just uploaded an akonadi git snapshot to Ninjas. I'll update it to the tarball when I find it. Would you please look at the package renaming I did and see if you think it's sensible? | 18:34 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| === hrw|gone is now known as hrw | ||
| jussi | apachelogger: to answer your question from the other night, I cant get plasma media center to work. itll open up the shell, but I cant get anything to play | 19:27 |
| === hrw is now known as hrw|gone | ||
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/arm-for-kubuntu-and-kde/#comment-768 | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | jussi: yeah, it turely deserves the name plasma :P | 19:48 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No support for Marvell unfortuantely. | 19:50 |
| highvoltage | apachelogger: isn't 'sensible pink theme' a bit of an oxymoron? :p | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | possibly, maybe someone wanted it to be one | 19:51 |
| * apachelogger needs to talk to his chief editor about this | 19:51 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: clearly we should be using fedora then :P | 19:51 |
| ScottK | Or not. | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | it is not like ice cream is limited to suse or ubuntu ;) | 19:52 |
| ScottK | Do we want to ship -./usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher/server in any package? | 19:52 |
| ScottK | (akonadi) | 19:53 |
| * highvoltage didn't even know it had ice cream!!! | 19:53 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: well, if upstream wants to install it, I suppose giving it a package to live in would be a good idea :) | 19:53 |
| * ScottK makes more new binaries. | 19:54 | |
| * apachelogger read new babies | 19:54 | |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: ^^ | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | surely a master of packaging must see every package he creates as a child for he gives a bit of his soul with every package he creates | 19:55 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: don‘t start talking about horuxes | 19:56 |
| ulysses | :D | 19:56 |
| ScottK | Found the Akonadi tarball | 19:57 |
| * apachelogger is wondering what horuxes are | 19:58 | |
| ulysses | I think he meant horcrux | 19:58 |
| * apachelogger is wondering what a horcrux is | 19:58 | |
| apachelogger | lord google to the rescue | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | stupid harry potter | 20:00 |
| ulysses | (: | 20:00 |
| * ulysses is goint to watch next wednesday harry potter and the deathly hallows | 20:01 | |
| apachelogger | great news everyone! my new spaceship is almost done! | 20:03 |
| ulysses | no stop until Mars? | 20:04 |
| bulldog98 | do you have an internet connection with it? | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | mars, what is with that worthless piece of space junk? | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: no, but I will mirror the youtube | 20:07 |
| ulysses | Gallifrey? | 20:07 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: ^^ | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | 2 tests tomorrow | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | one on the dark forces of software design | 20:09 |
| * apachelogger is a lucky man | 20:09 | |
| * ScottK didn't know there was any other kind of forces of software design. | 20:27 | |
| Tm_T | it's not all sith | 20:28 |
| ScottK | Sure. Shades of darkness. | 20:28 |
| Tm_T | there's plenty of room for gray jedi | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | in design? | 20:35 |
| * apachelogger strongly disagrees | 20:35 | |
| apachelogger | arichtecture is the good, design is the evil :P | 20:36 |
| ScottK | Architecture can usually best be established by looking at what's already there. | 20:43 |
| * ScottK sees a lot more cases of organizations backing into an architecture by accident than planning it out in advance. | 20:44 | |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | design mostly just happens ^^ | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ping | 20:56 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: pong | 20:57 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: what do you think on the design forces? | 20:57 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: also... n900? ^^ | 20:57 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: sorry - been awa and now super busy with code-in | 20:58 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: can you email me your address? | 20:58 |
| Nightrose | then i can take care of it tomorrow or the day after | 20:58 |
| Nightrose | also short version of design thingy please | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: the short version is that I concluded software design is silly whereas Tm_T argued that there are plenty of good things about it... | 20:59 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: hmmmm i hope there's some good things about it - else we'd be wasting a lot of time and money ;-) | 21:00 |
| ScottK | For the people getting the money it's good. | 21:04 |
| * apachelogger knows of one particular case in the late 1990's in austria, where a multi billion euro software project was still being designed after some 4 years into the project | 21:04 | |
| apachelogger | at that point they had a rather large wall of design specifications | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | incosistent and bogus and no one really had an idea of the big picture | 21:05 |
| ScottK | You've got to do architecture and design for things of more than minimal complexity. Just don't expect things to work out like you planned. | 21:05 |
| ScottK | You've also got to have people working on the consistency. | 21:05 |
| ScottK | (as you no doubt know) | 21:06 |
| ScottK | Most managers don't understand it, IME. | 21:06 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: -.- | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | with a good architecture, the design really comes on its own | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | what is necessary though is a good software architecture to dive in and come up with a plan early on | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | s/architecture/architect | 21:07 |
| * ScottK has yet to meet one of those. | 21:11 | |
| ScottK | No shortage of ones that think they are though. | 21:11 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Uploaded akonadi (tarball version) to Ninjas and the archive, but it'll hit binary New. So please have a look for it once it's built. | 21:13 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: new phonon release by the end of the week btw | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | apparently 4.6b1 requires 4.4.3 but we did not release that yet | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | also it would be very nice if we could have a libphononexperimental package :) | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: phonon-backend-gst should recommend gstreamer0.10-packagekit | 21:39 |
| apachelogger | that way gstreamer will directly call to kpk for codec installation without intermediate application | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot98.png | 21:41 |
| apachelogger | of course that does then not find an appropriate package, but that is a seperate issue | 21:41 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You should speak to the phonon maintainer about fixing that. | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | that I said with my upstream hat on :P | 21:45 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: That's not the version the CMake in kdelibs says it needs (it claims to be OK with what we have) | 21:46 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: did you build runtime already? | 21:46 |
| apachelogger | that really contains the phonon kde integration parts | 21:46 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: OK. | 21:46 |
| ScottK | Not much more to do until Riddell's libs build appears somewhere. | 21:47 |
| ScottK | So there's a proposed patch for the armel GCC madness. | 22:00 |
| * ScottK is going to start a gcc-4.5 build with it and see if building that plus a test build of Qt can get done before they decide to include the patch or not. | 22:01 | |
| * apachelogger snuggles Nightrose | 22:07 | |
| * Nightrose huggles apachelogger | 22:07 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Don't look at the gcc packages build systems. Once you look, you won't be able to unsee it. | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | oh, I did not plan on doing it | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | is it ugly make? | 22:23 |
| * apachelogger thinks people always use ugly make to annoy him | 22:23 | |
| apachelogger | oh, btw, for maintainability reasons I concluded that using make alone for arm nightlies is a bad idea | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | shell shall be the waepon of choice once more | 22:23 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: rapache | 22:24 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: To start with, it is tarball in tarball. Rules are sufficiently complex to be broken up into, IIRC, 5 different files. Patches to be included are, depending on various factors, decided in debian/rules. Lots of fun. | 22:26 |
| apachelogger | sounds like a beauty :D | 22:30 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: 4 box ice creaming in progress for this gcc build. | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | sweet | 22:36 |
| ScottK | That probably brings it from 4 days to 1.5. | 22:36 |
| * ScottK didn't have the heart to check. | 22:36 | |
| apachelogger | 4 days :O | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | omg | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: btw, now I think I found a code-in suitable thing ^^ | 22:44 |
| Nightrose | \o/ | 22:44 |
| Nightrose | tell | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | removing pointless includes in phonon source files // remove/move pointless includes in header files | 22:45 |
| Nightrose | heh that sounds tricky | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | one would need to have a bit of an idea of what a (forward) declaration is | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | other than that it is really just removing stuff and checking if phonon still builds | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | granted, it is a bit on the advanced level | 22:47 |
| Nightrose | ok good enough | 22:49 |
| Nightrose | please apply as a mentor, subscribe to kde-soc-mentor and add the task :) | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | let me check if there is actually stuff to do though ^^ | 22:50 |
| * apachelogger already walked through phonon-gst on a tediously boring train ride | 22:50 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ok, that was all worthless yadayada | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | apparently only phonon-gst had all messed up includes :S | 22:51 |
| Nightrose | lol | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | pfff | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: it is jolly hard to find tasks for sure | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | especially if apachelogger fixes them before realising their suitability | 22:53 |
| Nightrose | lol | 22:53 |
| Nightrose | yes it is hard | 22:53 |
| === apachelogger is now known as FanOfNightrose | ||
| === FanOfNightrose is now known as apachelogger | ||
| === apachelogger is now known as phononlogger | ||
| * nigelb pokes phononlogger for the channel spam | 23:24 | |
| * phononlogger undresses and starts dancing on tables | 23:28 | |
| * nigelb coughs | 23:28 | |
| === dasKreech is now known as devnulllogger | ||
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