=== muesli_ is now known as muesli [03:08] [muon] jmthomas * 1199490 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (13 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed) [03:08] Big overhaul of progress reporting for transactions: - Add a queue so that you [03:08] can browse/install other packages while downloading - Send out custom signals [03:09] [muon] jmthomas * 1199491 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsView.cpp I had forgotten to remove this line. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [04:28] Was missing build-dep. [04:31] Sigh. Or not. [05:06] Meh. Off to bed. http://paste.ubuntu.com/535077/ [05:06] Good luck whoever wants the next stab at it. [05:12] -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII [05:12] is the flag that's causing the error [05:13] hmm, maybe not [05:13] because I would think that even with that you could still do QString("lulz") [05:14] yeah, that would only be a problem if it was trying to do aString = "lulz". (Assigning a const char vs initializing from one) [05:14] but, I'm off to bed too === hrw|conf is now known as hrw [09:50] i have tried this in #kubuntu, but haven't seen any help I am unable to upgrade my computer from 10.04 to 10.10 as it Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade [09:50] i have also installed kde 4.5.3 [09:56] mfraz74: from kubuntu ppa? [09:58] yes [09:58] check versions. maybe you will have to manually select them [09:59] hrw: how would i do that? [10:00] I used aptitude but I am console type [10:00] that's ok i use aptitude and apt-get [10:01] * apachelogger notes that aptitude upgrading is not QA'd [10:03] at the moment my only option is to remove kubuntu-desktop and then reinstall it once i am running 10.10 [10:04] well [10:04] the problem is that 4.5.3 > 4.5.1 (which is in maverick) [10:05] now kubuntu-desktop through some way depends on a package that explicitly wants 4.5.1, but since you have 4.5.1 that relation breaks and kubuntu-desktop needs to be booted [10:05] apachelogger: ah [10:07] so if i use ppa-purge to remove kde 4.5.3 and then try again it should work? [10:08] probably [10:08] though I think reinstalling kubuntu-desktop after upgrade is a better approach [10:08] * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer [10:08] ok [10:09] and report upgrade bug? [10:10] i will add it to the bug i reported earlier [10:12] Bug #678429 [10:12] Launchpad bug 678429 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Could not determine the upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678429 [10:13] hrw: there is no real upgrade bug [10:13] 4.5.3 is not officially in 10.04 [10:14] hmmm [10:15] sure, but kubuntu team officially provides 4.5.3 for 1010 [10:15] mfraz74: your log actually seems to indicate problems with foomatic* [10:15] hrw: semi-official [10:16] Package plasma-netbook has broken Depends on libkephal4 [10:16] Considering libkephal4 17 as a solution to plasma-netbook 4 [10:16] Holding Back plasma-netbook rather than change libkephal4 [10:16] ehm [10:16] mfraz74: something is very wrong :P [10:16] mfraz74: sudo apt-get check [10:17] nothing [10:17] hm [10:18] * apachelogger watches launchpad being slow :( [10:19] mfraz74: is plasma-netbook installed? [10:19] * apachelogger finds this jolly weird that libkephal4 would form a broken releation [10:19] apachelogger: no [10:19] oh [10:19] mfraz74: installing it should resolve one part of the problem [10:20] plasma-netbook depends on libkephal4 (= 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8) [10:20] since you have a newer version that forms a broken relation [10:21] will that then give me a netbook interface? [10:21] no [10:26] trying some thing else first [10:33] i've now got kubuntu-netbook-default-settings [10:41] could this happen to someone else if they have the backports ppa enabled and then upgrade to 10.10? [10:43] FYI: bad week start: 10.04 upgrade 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3. Reboot -> intel drv: black screen, only cursor visible after login (confirmed with newly created user). Last proc started is knotify4 === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:56] shadeslayer: want to put that announce on kubuntu.org ? [11:56] arghs, I can't start OpenOffice anymore, I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1998821 [11:56] I use two monitors, works fine with Koffice [11:57] Mamarok_: check you don't have QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster [11:58] ScottK: nothing new in kde4libs bzr [12:06] Riddell: not AFAIK, let me check [12:07] oops, you are right, that was indeed raster... [12:07] I guerss I need to restart X, right? [12:07] guess* [12:07] Mamarok_: no just unset that [12:08] export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native will do it [12:08] didn't help [12:08] oh, wait... [12:08] Riddell: yes, that was it :) Thanks a lot! [12:09] Mamarok_: are you on natty already? [12:18] Riddell: not yet, stil Maverick [12:19] I ne:)ed a productive system, tis is my work machine [12:19] hm, that smile should have gone to the end... [12:20] Mamarok_: so I wonder how you got QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster set [12:20] Mamarok_: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem ? [12:21] Riddell: that was a leftover of my tries to have a dual monitor setup [12:22] no, I don't have such a file [13:29] Riddell: It helps if I actually push it. It's there now. [13:31] Riddell: In addition to what's in bzr, it seems to want to build against upower, although I'm not sure which exact package. [13:32] ScottK: how did you get around the need for newer libpolkit-qt-1-dev and soprano than exist? [13:33] Riddell: There are snapshots in Ninjas. [13:34] clever [13:34] I think we've got the needed kdesupport stuff for libs. Still need a newer akonadi for pimlibs. [13:38] shadeslayer: can I delete the lucid stuff from ninjas? [13:39] Looks like maybe it wants udisks too. === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | packaging 4.6 beta 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [13:45] Riddell: Did you upload the attica package that I put in Ninjas or did you package it yourself? [13:45] ScottK: I packaged it myself, didn't see it was in ninjas [13:46] it's the 0.2 release I packaged [13:46] also did grantlee [13:46] OK. I didn't realize 0.2 was out. [13:46] * ScottK took 0.19 from ktown [13:48] What's the right way to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 these days? [13:51] steveire: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu [13:51] There used to be a command line tool like do-release-upgrade or something? [13:53] steveire: yes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades [13:53] it's just a different frontend to the same upgrade tool [13:54] Riddell: Thanks. Got that in #kubuntu I tihnk [13:54] good old factoids [13:55] ScottK: I have kde4libs compiling away happily now [13:56] ScottK: where do you see it needing upower and udisks? [13:56] Riddell: Cool. Let me know when you get past 8%. [13:57] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535033/ is the build failure I got last night the makes me think that. [14:01] ScottK: how did you get past the qstring error? /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstring.h:601:5: error: 'QString::QString(const char*)' is private [14:02] Riddell: Not sure. I got that one once and not another time. [14:02] I only got it when I'd tried to build more than once, so I have a suspicion clean is buggy somehow. [14:02] I'd start over with a clean builddir [14:03] Riddell: FYI, when symbols are introduced by a new upstream version, it's a best practice to only list the upstream version in the symbols file and not the revision. [14:03] I'm changing that and adding my debian/copyright updates to attica. [14:05] ScottK: yeah I know, my fault [14:05] Easy enough to fix and I had the debian/copyright changes to upload anyway. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:21] Riddell: I just pushed a small rules change for kde4libs. Please pull from bzr again when it's convenient. [14:24] It won't affect building, but I had to drop part of one patch since the code had completely changed (and it should probably get put back in an appropriate place sometime): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/289#debian/patches/kubuntu_05_langpack_desktop_files.diff [14:43] hey, anyone here familiar with http://sourceforge.net/projects/openteacher/ or whether anyone's currently working on packaging it? [14:47] highvoltage: can't say I've ever heard of it [14:49] Riddell: yes and sure why not [14:55] shadeslayer: do you have access details to kubuntu.org? [14:55] yus [14:55] but im playing with my new Desire [14:55] :P [14:56] what's that? [14:56] Riddell: I got a new phone [14:56] the HTC Desire [14:56] Quintasan_: ^^ [14:59] shadeslayer: I'm torn between a Desire and N900 :/ [14:59] highvoltage: Get the Desire [14:59] highvoltage: also depends on your usecase [15:00] I like that the N900 is a real little computer whith a real littel debian system on it. that's awesome. [15:00] If you will spend hacking on it and NOT use it as your primary Phone, get the N900 [15:00] if you want a phone... not a computer... get the Desire [15:00] ok [15:01] I already have a laptop and will use the phone as a phone :P [15:02] ScottK: patches updated, now at 14% compiled [15:03] highvoltage: im already playing a mp3 + have a web browser open + have the manual open.... no stuttering or anything [15:09] Riddell: Cool. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:09] shadeslayer: good [15:15] shadeslayer: ah, my $25 samsung cheapie phone can do that too ;) [15:15] (although it's web browser is admittingly crappy) [15:15] :P [15:15] get the [15:15] n900 [15:21] Why does the 'report a bug' link on this page not take me to a page where I can fill in a bug report: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu [15:21] Can someone link me to the actual bug report form? [15:21] steveire: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ? [15:22] or use the ubuntu-bug command line [15:24] Riddell: That also redirects me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [15:24] steveire: use ubuntu-bug then [15:25] (this is a somewhat controvertial issue) [15:26] Why is it controvesial? I think adding ?no-redirect helps [15:27] well forcing people to use ubuntu-bug means we get some package specific bits that it adds, but stopping people from filing through the website directly might stop some people from filing bugs at all [15:28] It nearly stopped me [15:28] I managed though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088 [15:31] "Can't mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)" I wonder what that means [15:32] http://dpaste.com/278442/ apup == update && upgrade [15:34] "Holding Back plasma-netbook rather than change libkephal4" worth trying removing plasma-netbook I guess [15:36] http://dpaste.com/278444/ Not sure where you see that, but it doesn't seem accurate [15:40] I was looking at apt.log [15:44] steveire: dunno, asking mvo the DistUpgrade tool author [15:50] steveire: hmm well he just points to the same place, do you have something funny with libkephal4 ? [15:58] ScottK: do you know what we're expected to say in this sru meeting? [16:05] Riddell: http://dpaste.com/278451/ I don't even know what libkephal does. [16:07] steveire: oh, you have 4.5.2 [16:07] steveire: oh, you have 4.5.2 [16:07] steveire: oh, you have 4.5.3 [16:07] grr [16:07] which is newer than the version in 10.10 [16:08] so the upgrade won't work [16:08] not until we get 4.5.3 into -updates [16:08] hmm [16:10] Wouldn't that mean that anyone using the ppa would have the same problem? === makl is now known as ximion [16:11] steveire: yes, we should make that clear on the announcement === ximion is now known as makl === makl is now known as ximion [16:11] It should also be made clear in the ppa page. [16:12] steveire: so I guess for upgrade you need to remove kdelibs5, reinstall kubuntu-desktop and then upgrade [16:12] sorry about that [16:12] And anywhere mentioning the upgrade using the ppa, that it will break when you try to upgrade [16:12] How many databases does KDE run in the background? [16:13] I won't bother upgrading in that case. [16:14] I'll have to do a clean install at some stage and remember never to use a upgrade-kde-ppa again. [16:14] Thanks for your help figuring it out. [16:16] txwikinger: two, depending on what you call a database [16:16] Riddell: Well. I mean akonadi-mysql virtuoso etc [16:17] I am not sure why I need 22 processes of mysqld-akonadi run on a netbook [16:18] txwikinger: there should be only one mysqld-akonadi process [16:19] wooo, I have maverick installed, finally [16:20] also, I got new PC, no more lottery if I get one even booted [16:20] Well.. ok.. they are threats not processes [16:21] but still [16:21] hmm .. actually not sure.. htop and ps give me different results [16:22] and in proc they are shown too [16:23] prolly threads nonetheles [16:23] s [16:25] Why would threats show up in the proc directory? Somewhat inconsistent [16:31] 48? [16:39] Riddell: Will I eventually have an upgrade path if the KDE version in 10.10 gets upgraded? [16:41] steveire: yes should do [16:49] Great. [16:50] shadeslayer: note ^^ [16:50] Riddell: so if we have same KDE version in Lucid -> Maverick -> Natty ... you cant upgrade? :O [16:50] weirdness [16:52] same version is fine [16:52] it's if lucid is greater than maverick that it's a problem [16:52] hmm [16:52] but i versioned everything to ~lucid1~ppa1 [16:53] we just need to note that on the announce and maybe the PPA description page [16:53] how can that be greater than Maverick? [16:54] shadeslayer: because he installed 4.5.3 [16:55] OHHHHHHHHHH [16:55] ah... i get it [16:55] maverick has 4.5.1 [16:56] yes [16:56] and this would have been the same with 4.5.2/4.5.1 in lucid [17:01] ScottK: sip-qt ping [17:23] ScottK: well solid really doesn't want to link http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/q8ALLNq9 [17:26] ScottK: "there is already an akonadi 1.4.80 tarball" [17:26] says dirk [17:33] ScottK: a whole week of holiday? [17:34] <\sh> ScottK has holiday? === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [18:24] Riddell: Thursday is the formal holiday, but I've got plans for Friday as well. [18:24] Riddell: I"ll be around tomorrow. [18:24] ScottK: groovy got solid compiling with a trunk patch [18:24] * Riddell out for a bit [18:25] Cool [18:30] Riddell: Any suggestions where I find this akonadi tarball? [18:34] Riddell: I just uploaded an akonadi git snapshot to Ninjas. I'll update it to the tarball when I find it. Would you please look at the package renaming I did and see if you think it's sensible? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [19:27] apachelogger: to answer your question from the other night, I cant get plasma media center to work. itll open up the shell, but I cant get anything to play === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [19:48] ScottK: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/arm-for-kubuntu-and-kde/#comment-768 [19:48] jussi: yeah, it turely deserves the name plasma :P [19:50] apachelogger: No support for Marvell unfortuantely. [19:50] apachelogger: isn't 'sensible pink theme' a bit of an oxymoron? :p [19:51] possibly, maybe someone wanted it to be one [19:51] * apachelogger needs to talk to his chief editor about this [19:51] ScottK: clearly we should be using fedora then :P [19:51] Or not. [19:52] it is not like ice cream is limited to suse or ubuntu ;) [19:52] Do we want to ship -./usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher/server in any package? [19:53] (akonadi) [19:53] * highvoltage didn't even know it had ice cream!!! [19:53] ScottK: well, if upstream wants to install it, I suppose giving it a package to live in would be a good idea :) [19:54] * ScottK makes more new binaries. [19:54] * apachelogger read new babies [19:54] apachelogger: ^^ [19:55] surely a master of packaging must see every package he creates as a child for he gives a bit of his soul with every package he creates [19:56] apachelogger: don‘t start talking about horuxes [19:56] :D [19:57] Found the Akonadi tarball [19:58] * apachelogger is wondering what horuxes are [19:58] I think he meant horcrux [19:58] * apachelogger is wondering what a horcrux is [19:59] lord google to the rescue [20:00] stupid harry potter [20:00] (: [20:01] * ulysses is goint to watch next wednesday harry potter and the deathly hallows [20:03] great news everyone! my new spaceship is almost done! [20:04] no stop until Mars? [20:06] do you have an internet connection with it? [20:06] mars, what is with that worthless piece of space junk? [20:07] bulldog98: no, but I will mirror the youtube [20:07] Gallifrey? [20:07] apachelogger: ^^ [20:08] \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ [20:08] 2 tests tomorrow [20:09] one on the dark forces of software design [20:09] * apachelogger is a lucky man [20:27] * ScottK didn't know there was any other kind of forces of software design. [20:28] it's not all sith [20:28] Sure. Shades of darkness. [20:29] there's plenty of room for gray jedi [20:35] in design? [20:35] * apachelogger strongly disagrees [20:36] arichtecture is the good, design is the evil :P [20:43] Architecture can usually best be established by looking at what's already there. [20:44] * ScottK sees a lot more cases of organizations backing into an architecture by accident than planning it out in advance. [20:45] *nod* [20:45] design mostly just happens ^^ [20:56] Nightrose: ping [20:57] apachelogger: pong [20:57] Nightrose: what do you think on the design forces? [20:57] Nightrose: also... n900? ^^ [20:58] apachelogger: sorry - been awa and now super busy with code-in [20:58] apachelogger: can you email me your address? [20:58] then i can take care of it tomorrow or the day after [20:58] also short version of design thingy please [20:59] Nightrose: the short version is that I concluded software design is silly whereas Tm_T argued that there are plenty of good things about it... [21:00] apachelogger: hmmmm i hope there's some good things about it - else we'd be wasting a lot of time and money ;-) [21:04] For the people getting the money it's good. [21:04] * apachelogger knows of one particular case in the late 1990's in austria, where a multi billion euro software project was still being designed after some 4 years into the project [21:04] at that point they had a rather large wall of design specifications [21:05] incosistent and bogus and no one really had an idea of the big picture [21:05] You've got to do architecture and design for things of more than minimal complexity. Just don't expect things to work out like you planned. [21:05] You've also got to have people working on the consistency. [21:06] (as you no doubt know) [21:06] Most managers don't understand it, IME. [21:06] apachelogger: -.- [21:06] with a good architecture, the design really comes on its own [21:07] what is necessary though is a good software architecture to dive in and come up with a plan early on [21:07] s/architecture/architect [21:11] * ScottK has yet to meet one of those. [21:11] No shortage of ones that think they are though. [21:13] Riddell: Uploaded akonadi (tarball version) to Ninjas and the archive, but it'll hit binary New. So please have a look for it once it's built. [21:21] ScottK: new phonon release by the end of the week btw [21:21] apparently 4.6b1 requires 4.4.3 but we did not release that yet [21:21] also it would be very nice if we could have a libphononexperimental package :) [21:39] ScottK: phonon-backend-gst should recommend gstreamer0.10-packagekit [21:40] that way gstreamer will directly call to kpk for codec installation without intermediate application [21:41] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot98.png [21:41] of course that does then not find an appropriate package, but that is a seperate issue [21:45] apachelogger: You should speak to the phonon maintainer about fixing that. [21:45] that I said with my upstream hat on :P [21:46] apachelogger: That's not the version the CMake in kdelibs says it needs (it claims to be OK with what we have) [21:46] ScottK: did you build runtime already? [21:46] that really contains the phonon kde integration parts [21:46] apachelogger: OK. [21:47] Not much more to do until Riddell's libs build appears somewhere. [22:00] So there's a proposed patch for the armel GCC madness. [22:01] * ScottK is going to start a gcc-4.5 build with it and see if building that plus a test build of Qt can get done before they decide to include the patch or not. [22:07] * apachelogger snuggles Nightrose [22:07] * Nightrose huggles apachelogger [22:22] apachelogger: Don't look at the gcc packages build systems. Once you look, you won't be able to unsee it. [22:23] oh, I did not plan on doing it [22:23] is it ugly make? [22:23] * apachelogger thinks people always use ugly make to annoy him [22:23] oh, btw, for maintainability reasons I concluded that using make alone for arm nightlies is a bad idea [22:23] shell shall be the waepon of choice once more [22:24] apachelogger: rapache [22:26] apachelogger: To start with, it is tarball in tarball. Rules are sufficiently complex to be broken up into, IIRC, 5 different files. Patches to be included are, depending on various factors, decided in debian/rules. Lots of fun. [22:30] sounds like a beauty :D [22:33] apachelogger: 4 box ice creaming in progress for this gcc build. [22:36] sweet [22:36] That probably brings it from 4 days to 1.5. [22:36] * ScottK didn't have the heart to check. [22:39] 4 days :O [22:39] omg [22:44] Nightrose: btw, now I think I found a code-in suitable thing ^^ [22:44] \o/ [22:44] tell [22:45] removing pointless includes in phonon source files // remove/move pointless includes in header files [22:46] heh that sounds tricky [22:46] well [22:46] one would need to have a bit of an idea of what a (forward) declaration is [22:46] other than that it is really just removing stuff and checking if phonon still builds [22:47] granted, it is a bit on the advanced level [22:49] ok good enough [22:49] please apply as a mentor, subscribe to kde-soc-mentor and add the task :) [22:50] let me check if there is actually stuff to do though ^^ [22:50] * apachelogger already walked through phonon-gst on a tediously boring train ride [22:51] Nightrose: ok, that was all worthless yadayada [22:51] apparently only phonon-gst had all messed up includes :S [22:52] lol [22:52] pfff [22:53] Nightrose: it is jolly hard to find tasks for sure [22:53] especially if apachelogger fixes them before realising their suitability [22:53] lol [22:53] yes it is hard === apachelogger is now known as FanOfNightrose === FanOfNightrose is now known as apachelogger === apachelogger is now known as phononlogger [23:24] * nigelb pokes phononlogger for the channel spam [23:28] * phononlogger undresses and starts dancing on tables [23:28] * nigelb coughs === dasKreech is now known as devnulllogger