[03:08] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1199490 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (13 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[03:08] <CIA-42> Big overhaul of progress reporting for transactions: - Add a queue so that you
[03:08] <CIA-42> can browse/install other packages while downloading - Send out custom signals
[03:09] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1199491 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsView.cpp I had forgotten to remove this line.
[04:28] <ScottK> Was missing build-dep.
[04:31] <ScottK> Sigh.  Or not.
[05:06] <ScottK> Meh.  Off to bed.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/535077/
[05:06] <ScottK> Good luck whoever wants the next stab at it.
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> -DQT_NO_CAST_FROM_ASCII
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> is the flag that's causing the error
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe not
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> because I would think that even with that you could still do QString("lulz")
[05:14] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that would only be a problem if it was trying to do aString = "lulz". (Assigning a const char vs initializing from one)
[05:14] <JontheEchidna> but, I'm off to bed too
[09:50] <mfraz74> i have tried this in #kubuntu, but haven't seen any help I am unable to upgrade my computer from 10.04 to 10.10 as it Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade
[09:50] <mfraz74> i have also installed kde 4.5.3
[09:56] <hrw> mfraz74: from kubuntu ppa?
[09:58] <mfraz74> yes
[09:58] <hrw> check versions. maybe you will have to manually select them
[09:59] <mfraz74> hrw: how would i do that?
[10:00] <hrw> I used aptitude but I am console type
[10:00] <mfraz74> that's ok i use aptitude and apt-get
[10:01]  * apachelogger notes that aptitude upgrading is not QA'd
[10:03] <mfraz74> at the moment my only option is to remove kubuntu-desktop and then reinstall it once i am running 10.10
[10:04] <apachelogger> well
[10:04] <apachelogger> the problem is that 4.5.3 > 4.5.1 (which is in maverick)
[10:05] <apachelogger> now kubuntu-desktop through some way depends on a package that explicitly wants 4.5.1, but since you have 4.5.1 that relation breaks and kubuntu-desktop needs to be booted
[10:05] <mfraz74> apachelogger: ah
[10:07] <mfraz74> so if i use ppa-purge to remove kde 4.5.3 and then try again it should work?
[10:08] <apachelogger> probably
[10:08] <apachelogger> though I think reinstalling kubuntu-desktop after upgrade is a better approach
[10:08]  * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer
[10:08] <mfraz74> ok
[10:09] <hrw> and report upgrade bug?
[10:10] <mfraz74> i will add it to the bug i reported earlier
[10:12] <mfraz74> Bug #678429 
[10:13] <apachelogger> hrw: there is no real upgrade bug
[10:13] <apachelogger> 4.5.3 is not officially in 10.04
[10:14] <apachelogger> hmmm
[10:15] <hrw> sure, but kubuntu team officially provides 4.5.3 for 1010
[10:15] <apachelogger> mfraz74: your log actually seems to indicate problems with foomatic*
[10:15] <apachelogger> hrw: semi-official
[10:16] <apachelogger> Package plasma-netbook has broken Depends on libkephal4
[10:16] <apachelogger>   Considering libkephal4 17 as a solution to plasma-netbook 4
[10:16] <apachelogger>   Holding Back plasma-netbook rather than change libkephal4
[10:16] <apachelogger> ehm
[10:16] <apachelogger> mfraz74: something is very wrong :P
[10:16] <apachelogger> mfraz74: sudo apt-get check
[10:17] <mfraz74> nothing
[10:17] <apachelogger> hm
[10:18]  * apachelogger watches launchpad being slow :(
[10:19] <apachelogger> mfraz74: is plasma-netbook installed?
[10:19]  * apachelogger finds this jolly weird that libkephal4 would form a broken releation
[10:19] <mfraz74> apachelogger: no
[10:19] <apachelogger> oh
[10:19] <apachelogger> mfraz74: installing it should resolve one part of the problem
[10:20] <apachelogger> plasma-netbook depends on libkephal4 (= 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8)
[10:20] <apachelogger> since you have a newer version that forms a broken relation
[10:21] <mfraz74> will that then give me a netbook interface?
[10:21] <apachelogger> no
[10:26] <mfraz74> trying some thing else first
[10:33] <mfraz74> i've now got kubuntu-netbook-default-settings
[10:41] <mfraz74> could this happen to someone else if they have the backports ppa enabled and then upgrade to 10.10?
[10:43] <allee> FYI: bad week start: 10.04 upgrade 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3. Reboot -> intel drv: black screen, only cursor visible after login (confirmed with newly created user).  Last proc started is knotify4 
[11:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: want to put that announce on kubuntu.org ?
[11:56] <Mamarok_> arghs, I can't start OpenOffice anymore, I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1998821
[11:56] <Mamarok_> I use two monitors, works fine with Koffice
[11:57] <Riddell> Mamarok_: check you don't have QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster
[11:58] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing new in kde4libs bzr
[12:06] <Mamarok_> Riddell: not AFAIK, let me check
[12:07] <Mamarok_> oops, you are right, that was indeed raster...
[12:07] <Mamarok_> I guerss I need to restart X, right?
[12:07] <Mamarok_> guess*
[12:07] <Riddell> Mamarok_: no just unset that
[12:08] <Riddell> export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native  will do it
[12:08] <Mamarok_> didn't help
[12:08] <Mamarok_> oh, wait...
[12:08] <Mamarok_> Riddell: yes, that was it :) Thanks a lot!
[12:09] <Riddell> Mamarok_: are you on natty already?
[12:18] <Mamarok_> Riddell: not yet, stil Maverick
[12:19] <Mamarok_> I ne:)ed a productive system, tis is my work machine 
[12:19] <Mamarok_> hm, that smile should have gone to the end...
[12:20] <Riddell> Mamarok_: so I wonder how you got QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster set
[12:20] <Riddell> Mamarok_: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem ?
[12:21] <Mamarok_> Riddell: that was a leftover of my tries to have a dual monitor setup
[12:22] <Mamarok_> no, I don't have such a file
[13:29] <ScottK> Riddell: It helps if I actually push it.  It's there now.
[13:31] <ScottK> Riddell: In addition to what's in bzr, it seems to want to build against upower, although I'm not sure which exact package.
[13:32] <Riddell> ScottK: how did you get around the need for newer libpolkit-qt-1-dev and soprano than exist?
[13:33] <ScottK> Riddell: There are snapshots in Ninjas.
[13:34] <Riddell> clever
[13:34] <ScottK> I think we've got the needed kdesupport stuff for libs.  Still need a newer akonadi for pimlibs.
[13:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can I delete the lucid stuff from ninjas?
[13:39] <ScottK> Looks like maybe it wants udisks too.
[13:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you upload the attica package that I put in Ninjas or did you package it yourself?
[13:45] <Riddell> ScottK: I packaged it myself, didn't see it was in ninjas
[13:46] <Riddell> it's the 0.2 release I packaged
[13:46] <Riddell> also did grantlee
[13:46] <ScottK> OK.  I didn't realize 0.2 was out.
[13:46]  * ScottK took 0.19 from ktown
[13:48] <steveire> What's the right way to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 these days?
[13:51] <Riddell> steveire: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:51] <steveire> There used to be a command line tool like do-release-upgrade or something?
[13:53] <Riddell> steveire: yes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[13:53] <Riddell> it's just a different frontend to the same upgrade tool
[13:54] <steveire> Riddell: Thanks. Got that in #kubuntu I tihnk
[13:54] <Tm_T> good old factoids
[13:55] <Riddell> ScottK: I have kde4libs compiling away happily now
[13:56] <Riddell> ScottK: where do you see it needing upower and udisks?
[13:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Let me know when you get past 8%.
[13:57] <ScottK> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535033/ is the build failure I got last night the makes me think that.
[14:01] <Riddell> ScottK: how did you get past the qstring error?  /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstring.h:601:5: error: 'QString::QString(const char*)' is private
[14:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Not sure.  I got that one once and not another time.
[14:02] <ScottK> I only got it when I'd tried to build more than once, so I have a suspicion clean is buggy somehow.
[14:02] <ScottK> I'd start over with a clean builddir
[14:03] <ScottK> Riddell: FYI, when symbols are introduced by a new upstream version, it's a best practice to only list the upstream version in the symbols file and not the revision. 
[14:03] <ScottK> I'm changing that and adding my debian/copyright updates to attica.
[14:05] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah I know, my fault
[14:05] <ScottK> Easy enough to fix and I had the debian/copyright changes to upload anyway.
[14:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I just pushed a small rules change for kde4libs.  Please pull from bzr again when it's convenient.
[14:24] <ScottK> It won't affect building, but I had to drop part of one patch since the code had completely changed (and it should probably get put back in an appropriate place sometime): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/289#debian/patches/kubuntu_05_langpack_desktop_files.diff
[14:43] <highvoltage> hey, anyone here familiar with http://sourceforge.net/projects/openteacher/ or whether anyone's currently working on packaging it?
[14:47] <Riddell> highvoltage: can't say I've ever heard of it
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes and sure why not
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have access details to kubuntu.org?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> yus
[14:55] <shadeslayer> but im playing with my new Desire
[14:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:56] <Riddell> what's that?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I got a new phone
[14:56] <shadeslayer> the HTC Desire
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: ^^
[14:59] <highvoltage> shadeslayer: I'm torn between a Desire and N900 :/
[14:59] <shadeslayer> highvoltage: Get the Desire
[14:59] <shadeslayer> highvoltage: also depends on your usecase
[15:00] <highvoltage> I like that the N900 is a real little computer whith a real littel debian system on it. that's awesome.
[15:00] <shadeslayer> If you will spend hacking on it and NOT use it as your primary Phone, get the N900
[15:00] <shadeslayer> if you want a phone... not a computer... get the Desire
[15:00] <highvoltage> ok
[15:01] <shadeslayer> I already have a laptop and will use the phone as a phone :P
[15:02] <Riddell> ScottK: patches updated, now at 14% compiled
[15:03] <shadeslayer> highvoltage: im already playing a mp3 + have a web browser open + have the manual open.... no stuttering or anything
[15:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.
[15:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: good
[15:15] <highvoltage> shadeslayer: ah, my $25 samsung cheapie phone can do that too ;)
[15:15] <highvoltage> (although it's web browser is admittingly crappy)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:15] <shadeslayer> get the 
[15:15] <shadeslayer> n900 
[15:21] <steveire> Why does the 'report a bug' link on this page not take me to a page where I can fill in a bug report: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[15:21] <steveire> Can someone link me to the actual bug report form?
[15:21] <Riddell> steveire: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ?
[15:22] <Riddell> or use the   ubuntu-bug <packagename>  command line
[15:24] <steveire> Riddell: That also redirects me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:24] <Riddell> steveire: use ubuntu-bug then
[15:25] <Riddell> (this is a somewhat controvertial issue)
[15:26] <steveire> Why is it controvesial? I think adding ?no-redirect helps
[15:27] <Riddell> well forcing people to use ubuntu-bug means we get some package specific bits that it adds, but stopping people from filing through the website directly might stop some people from filing bugs at all
[15:28] <steveire> It nearly stopped me
[15:28] <steveire> I managed though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088
[15:31] <Riddell> "Can't mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade (E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.)" I wonder what that means
[15:32] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/278442/ apup == update && upgrade 
[15:34] <Riddell> "Holding Back plasma-netbook rather than change libkephal4"  worth trying removing plasma-netbook I guess
[15:36] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/278444/ Not sure where you see that, but it doesn't seem accurate
[15:40] <Riddell> I was looking at apt.log
[15:44] <Riddell> steveire: dunno, asking mvo the DistUpgrade tool author
[15:50] <Riddell> steveire: hmm well he just points to the same place, do you have something funny with libkephal4 ?
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: do you know what we're expected to say in this sru meeting?
[16:05] <steveire> Riddell: http://dpaste.com/278451/ I don't even know what libkephal does.
[16:07] <Riddell> steveire: oh, you have 4.5.2
[16:07] <Riddell> steveire: oh, you have 4.5.2
[16:07] <Riddell> steveire: oh, you have 4.5.3
[16:07] <Riddell> grr
[16:07] <Riddell> which is newer than the version in 10.10
[16:08] <Riddell> so the upgrade won't work
[16:08] <Riddell> not until we get 4.5.3 into -updates
[16:08] <Riddell> hmm
[16:10] <steveire> Wouldn't that mean that anyone using the ppa would have the same problem? 
[16:11] <Riddell> steveire: yes, we should make that clear on the announcement
[16:11] <steveire> It should also be made clear in the ppa page.
[16:12] <Riddell> steveire: so I guess for upgrade you need to remove kdelibs5, reinstall kubuntu-desktop and then upgrade
[16:12] <Riddell> sorry about that
[16:12] <steveire> And anywhere mentioning the upgrade using the ppa, that it will break when you try to upgrade
[16:12] <txwikinger> How many databases does KDE run in the background?
[16:13] <steveire> I won't bother upgrading in that case.
[16:14] <steveire> I'll have to do a clean install at some stage and remember never to use a upgrade-kde-ppa again.
[16:14] <steveire> Thanks for your help figuring it out.
[16:16] <Riddell> txwikinger: two, depending on what you call a database
[16:16] <txwikinger> Riddell: Well. I mean akonadi-mysql virtuoso etc
[16:17] <txwikinger> I am not sure why I need 22 processes of mysqld-akonadi run on a netbook
[16:18] <Riddell> txwikinger: there should be only one mysqld-akonadi process
[16:19] <Tm_T> wooo, I have maverick installed, finally
[16:20] <Tm_T> also, I got new PC, no more lottery if I get one even booted
[16:20] <txwikinger> Well.. ok.. they are threats not processes
[16:21] <txwikinger> but still
[16:21] <txwikinger> hmm .. actually not sure.. htop and ps give me different results
[16:22] <txwikinger> and in proc they are shown too
[16:23] <Tm_T> prolly threads nonetheles
[16:23] <Tm_T> s
[16:25] <txwikinger> Why would threats show up in the proc directory? Somewhat inconsistent
[16:31] <Tm_T> 48?
[16:39] <steveire> Riddell: Will I eventually have an upgrade path if the KDE version in 10.10 gets upgraded?
[16:41] <Riddell> steveire: yes should do
[16:49] <steveire> Great.
[16:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: note ^^
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so if we have same KDE version in Lucid -> Maverick -> Natty ... you cant upgrade? :O
[16:50] <shadeslayer> weirdness
[16:52] <Riddell> same version is fine
[16:52] <Riddell> it's if lucid is greater than maverick that it's a problem
[16:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:52] <shadeslayer> but i versioned everything to ~lucid1~ppa1
[16:53] <Riddell> we just need to note that on the announce and maybe the PPA description page
[16:53] <shadeslayer> how can that be greater than Maverick?
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: because he installed 4.5.3
[16:55] <shadeslayer> OHHHHHHHHHH
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ah... i get it
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maverick has 4.5.1 
[16:56] <Riddell> yes
[16:56] <shadeslayer> and this would have been the same with 4.5.2/4.5.1 in lucid
[17:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: sip-qt ping
[17:23] <Riddell> ScottK: well solid really doesn't want to link http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/q8ALLNq9
[17:26] <Riddell> ScottK: "there is already an akonadi 1.4.80 tarball"
[17:26] <Riddell> says dirk
[17:33] <Riddell> ScottK: a whole week of holiday?
[17:34] <\sh> ScottK has holiday? 
[18:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Thursday is the formal holiday, but I've got plans for Friday as well.
[18:24] <ScottK> Riddell: I"ll be around tomorrow.
[18:24] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy got solid compiling with a trunk patch
[18:24]  * Riddell out for a bit
[18:25] <ScottK> Cool
[18:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Any suggestions where I find this akonadi tarball?
[18:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I just uploaded an akonadi git snapshot to Ninjas.  I'll update it to the tarball when I find it.  Would you please look at the package renaming I did and see if you think it's sensible?
[19:27] <jussi> apachelogger: to answer your question from the other night, I cant get plasma media center to work. itll open up the shell, but I cant get anything to play
[19:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/arm-for-kubuntu-and-kde/#comment-768
[19:48] <apachelogger> jussi: yeah, it turely deserves the name plasma :P
[19:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: No support for Marvell unfortuantely.
[19:50] <highvoltage> apachelogger: isn't 'sensible pink theme' a bit of an oxymoron? :p
[19:51] <apachelogger> possibly, maybe someone wanted it to be one
[19:51]  * apachelogger needs to talk to his chief editor about this
[19:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: clearly we should be using fedora then :P
[19:51] <ScottK> Or not.
[19:52] <apachelogger> it is not like ice cream is limited to suse or ubuntu ;)
[19:52] <ScottK> Do we want to ship -./usr/bin/akonadi_agent_launcher/server in any package?
[19:53] <ScottK> (akonadi)
[19:53]  * highvoltage didn't even know it had ice cream!!!
[19:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, if upstream wants to install it, I suppose giving it a package to live in would be a good idea :)
[19:54]  * ScottK makes more new binaries.
[19:54]  * apachelogger read new babies
[19:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ^^
[19:55] <apachelogger> surely a master of packaging must see every package he creates as a child for he gives a bit of his soul with every package he creates
[19:56] <bulldog98> apachelogger: don‘t start talking about horuxes
[19:56] <ulysses> :D
[19:57] <ScottK> Found the Akonadi tarball
[19:58]  * apachelogger is wondering what horuxes are
[19:58] <ulysses> I think he meant horcrux
[19:58]  * apachelogger is wondering what a horcrux is
[19:59] <apachelogger> lord google to the rescue
[20:00] <apachelogger> stupid harry potter
[20:00] <ulysses> (:
[20:01]  * ulysses is goint to watch next wednesday harry potter and the deathly hallows
[20:03] <apachelogger> great news everyone! my new spaceship is almost done!
[20:04] <ulysses> no stop until Mars?
[20:06] <bulldog98> do you have an internet connection with it?
[20:06] <apachelogger> mars, what is with that worthless piece of space junk?
[20:07] <apachelogger> bulldog98: no, but I will mirror the youtube
[20:07] <ulysses> Gallifrey?
[20:07] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ^^
[20:08] <apachelogger> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[20:08] <apachelogger> 2 tests tomorrow
[20:09] <apachelogger> one on the dark forces of software design
[20:09]  * apachelogger is a lucky man
[20:27]  * ScottK didn't know there was any other kind of forces of software design.
[20:28] <Tm_T> it's not all sith
[20:28] <ScottK> Sure.  Shades of darkness.
[20:29] <Tm_T> there's plenty of room for gray jedi
[20:35] <apachelogger> in design?
[20:35]  * apachelogger strongly disagrees
[20:36] <apachelogger> arichtecture is the good, design is the evil :P
[20:43] <ScottK> Architecture can usually best be established by looking at what's already there.
[20:44]  * ScottK sees a lot more cases of organizations backing into an architecture by accident than planning it out in advance.
[20:45] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:45] <apachelogger> design mostly just happens ^^
[20:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[20:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[20:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you think on the design forces?
[20:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also... n900? ^^
[20:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry - been awa and now super busy with code-in 
[20:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can you email me your address?
[20:58] <Nightrose> then i can take care of it tomorrow or the day after
[20:58] <Nightrose> also short version of design thingy please
[20:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the short version is that I concluded software design is silly whereas Tm_T argued that there are plenty of good things about it...
[21:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmmm i hope there's some good things about it - else we'd be wasting a lot of time and money ;-)
[21:04] <ScottK> For the people getting the money it's good.
[21:04]  * apachelogger knows of one particular case in the late 1990's in austria, where a multi billion euro software project was still being designed after some 4 years into the project
[21:04] <apachelogger> at that point they had a rather large wall of design specifications
[21:05] <apachelogger> incosistent and bogus and no one really had an idea of the big picture
[21:05] <ScottK> You've got to do architecture and design for things of more than minimal complexity.  Just don't expect things to work out like you planned.
[21:05] <ScottK> You've also got to have people working on the consistency.
[21:06] <ScottK> (as you no doubt know)
[21:06] <ScottK> Most managers don't understand it, IME.
[21:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: -.-
[21:06] <apachelogger> with a good architecture, the design really comes on its own
[21:07] <apachelogger> what is necessary though is a good software architecture to dive in and come up with a plan early on
[21:07] <apachelogger> s/architecture/architect
[21:11]  * ScottK has yet to meet one of those.
[21:11] <ScottK> No shortage of ones that think they are though.
[21:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Uploaded akonadi (tarball version) to Ninjas and the archive, but it'll hit binary New.  So please have a look for it once it's built.
[21:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: new phonon release by the end of the week btw
[21:21] <apachelogger> apparently 4.6b1 requires 4.4.3 but we did not release that yet
[21:21] <apachelogger> also it would be very nice if we could have a libphononexperimental package :)
[21:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: phonon-backend-gst should recommend gstreamer0.10-packagekit
[21:40] <apachelogger> that way gstreamer will directly call to kpk for codec installation without intermediate application
[21:41] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot98.png
[21:41] <apachelogger> of course that does then not find an appropriate package, but that is a seperate issue
[21:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should speak to the phonon maintainer about fixing that.
[21:45] <apachelogger> that I said with my upstream hat on :P
[21:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's not the version the CMake in kdelibs says it needs (it claims to be OK with what we have)
[21:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you build runtime already?
[21:46] <apachelogger> that really contains the phonon kde integration parts
[21:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.
[21:47] <ScottK> Not much more to do until Riddell's libs build appears somewhere.
[22:00] <ScottK> So there's a proposed patch for the armel GCC madness.
[22:01]  * ScottK is going to start a gcc-4.5 build with it and see if building that plus a test build of Qt can get done before they decide to include the patch or not.
[22:07]  * apachelogger snuggles Nightrose
[22:07]  * Nightrose huggles apachelogger
[22:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Don't look at the gcc packages build systems.  Once you look, you won't be able to unsee it.
[22:23] <apachelogger> oh, I did not plan on doing it
[22:23] <apachelogger> is it ugly make?
[22:23]  * apachelogger thinks people always use ugly make to annoy him
[22:23] <apachelogger> oh, btw, for maintainability reasons I concluded that using make alone for arm nightlies is a bad idea
[22:23] <apachelogger> shell shall be the waepon of choice once more
[22:24] <Tm_T> apachelogger: rapache
[22:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: To start with, it is tarball in tarball.  Rules are sufficiently complex to be broken up into, IIRC, 5 different files.  Patches to be included are, depending on various factors, decided in debian/rules.  Lots of fun.
[22:30] <apachelogger> sounds like a beauty :D
[22:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: 4 box ice creaming in progress for this gcc build.
[22:36] <apachelogger> sweet
[22:36] <ScottK> That probably brings it from 4 days to 1.5.
[22:36]  * ScottK didn't have the heart to check.
[22:39] <apachelogger> 4 days :O
[22:39] <apachelogger> omg
[22:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, now I think I found a code-in suitable thing ^^
[22:44] <Nightrose> \o/
[22:44] <Nightrose> tell
[22:45] <apachelogger> removing pointless includes in phonon source files // remove/move pointless includes in header files 
[22:46] <Nightrose> heh that sounds tricky
[22:46] <apachelogger> well
[22:46] <apachelogger> one would need to have a bit of an idea of what a (forward) declaration is
[22:46] <apachelogger> other than that it is really just removing stuff and checking if phonon still builds
[22:47] <apachelogger> granted, it is a bit on the advanced level
[22:49] <Nightrose> ok good enough
[22:49] <Nightrose> please apply as a mentor, subscribe to kde-soc-mentor and add the task :)
[22:50] <apachelogger> let me check if there is actually stuff to do though ^^
[22:50]  * apachelogger already walked through phonon-gst on a tediously boring train ride
[22:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ok, that was all worthless yadayada
[22:51] <apachelogger> apparently only phonon-gst had all messed up includes :S
[22:52] <Nightrose> lol
[22:52] <apachelogger> pfff
[22:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it is jolly hard to find tasks for sure
[22:53] <apachelogger> especially if apachelogger fixes them before realising their suitability
[22:53] <Nightrose> lol
[22:53] <Nightrose> yes it is hard
[23:24]  * nigelb pokes phononlogger for the channel spam
[23:28]  * phononlogger undresses and starts dancing on tables
[23:28]  * nigelb coughs