[00:00] Tully2: the videos play in firefox [00:00] jmichaelx: yeah I noticed that, I was just curious about rekonq I hate not knowing [00:01] jmichaelx: figured someone might be able to save me time of researching something so trivial [00:01] I think I'm hit by a bad bug of gwenview, but before opening a launchpad bug I'd like to have some confirmations. Just opening a .png file makes the whole X session crash. Warning: this may take down your whole X session! Don't do it if you have any opened file. If anyone is brave enough please query me and I'll link you a file that triggers the bug (it is a .png file shipped with Android SDK) [00:01] Tully2: you might want to look at rekonq's settings.... i wonder if rekonq's built-in adblocking might have something to do with this [00:02] jmichaelx: possibly I'll look into that, thanks for the brainstorm [00:04] Tully2: disabling adblock didn't help anything here [00:04] jmichaelx: nope here either [00:06] No flash maybe? [00:07] :P [00:08] H2S04: well I installed the flash player plugin and youtube and all other video sites I go to work fine, just something odd about IMDB. Firefox works fine though [00:08] Tully2, I just installed firefox immediately. So I didn't mess around with renoq at all [00:09] Tully2: i am wondering about java.... although if the java plugin being used were the problem, seems like things would not work in any browser [00:10] Even after GRUB reinstallation, I am still getting "error: the symbol 'grub_xputs' not found." What else do I need to do? [00:10] jmichaelx: yeah its definitely the flash plugin being used, when the white screen shows up and the audio plays I can right click and it displays all the usual flash options [00:10] Tully2: yeah, same here [00:11] oh well no harm I suppose firefox is probably more stable anyways. I just like everything to "match" OCD I suppose [00:21] Tully2: yeah... no i dea why those videos are not playing [00:47] hey guys im new to kubuntu. [00:47] i installed wine [00:47] after installing wine, the fonts in opera changed to tahoma or something [00:48] is it possible to get the original fonts back? [00:59] Rogues, is it just in opera or every application? [00:59] http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html [00:59] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/font-selector [01:00] thats the problem mate,the font system settings are configured to use the default fonts and they do,it was just opera,i manually set it to use the default fonts. thanks though ;) [01:02] i am trying to burn an iso file with k3b to a dvd-5. It says limit exceeded by 92,6 mbs. Is there anyway to make it use more space? [01:03] Goliath, there is overburning but not all devices support it. [01:03] Goliath, and you can make a coaster even when it is supported. [01:04] H2S04: i found the overburn option on k3b [01:04] i will enable it and try to burn the dvd [01:04] should i disable the burn free option or is it irrelevant? [01:05] AFAIK it doesn't matter [01:06] ok [01:13] hey [01:13] k3b says unable to start a new session [01:13] when i try to burn something [02:28] Hey, does anyone know if it is possible to have different wallpaper on each monitor and virtual desktop in kubuntu when using compiz? [02:31] or at very least, a way to map the kwin cube bindings keys the same as compiz 3dbox !? === muesli_ is now known as muesli === Lyrithya is now known as Nuuurg [02:35] hi, how do i disable or uninstall the firewall [02:36] hello everyone [02:36] veinos: may i ask why you would even want to use compiz with KDE? [02:37] bigdad1e: If you want to uninstall it, from a console type: sudo apt-get remove ufw [02:37] what do you mean [02:37] because it looks nicer and the 3d cube is usable ? [02:37] thanks [02:37] need an application to use with my scanner. any suggestions [02:38] veinos: the 3d cube is usable with Kwin's native compositing manager, and i can't imagine that compiz makes anything look nicer [02:38] why would I not want to use compiz in kde? [02:38] veinos: because it would seem totally unnecessary [02:38] yah, with ctrl+F12 binding... very usable lol [02:38] phoenix_firebrd: Make and model of your scanner, and version of Kubuntu? [02:39] also i am using a server with kubuntu which i am on right now because i am new to linux. anyway how do i use my nic cards. i want to go from modem to server, from server to router. is that possible [02:39] i mean, i wouldn't bother too much if i could at least bind ctrl+alt+mouse click.... [02:39] jmichaelx: i guess you just never used it if you think they are both made equal [02:40] Snowhog: Microtek International, Inc. USB1200 Scanner. kubuntu 10.10, kde 4.5.3 [02:40] veinos: i have used both, and really do not think you are gaining much of anythingby going to the extent of using compiz + KDE... but it is also totally up to you [02:40] phoenix_firebrd: Have you tried xsane? [02:41] veinos: also, by default, all ctrl+f12 does is bring the widgets to the foreground [02:41] jmichaelx: i'm sure it would be possible to make kwin very similar to compiz, but i just don't know how [02:41] Snowhog: no [02:41] Snowhog: i will try that now [02:41] phoenix_firebrd: It's in the repos, so you can install it via KPackagekit or other package managers you might have installed, or from the CLI. [02:42] veinos: then you need to look around a little. it is not that difficult.... ctrl+f12 by default has nothing to do with the desktop cube (afaik), and key-bindings are all very easily changed [02:42] Snowhog: i am doing that now [02:43] how do i use my nic cards in kubuntu [02:44] Snowhog: its working, thank you [02:44] phoenix_firebrd: The scanner is working? [02:45] Snowhog: ya, finished scanning now [02:45] sorry, keyboard just stopped working :S [02:45] veinos: then you need to look around a little. it is not that difficult.... ctrl+f12 by default has nothing to do with the desktop cube (afaik), and key-bindings are all very easily changed [02:45] phoenix_firebrd: Way cool. [02:45] veinos: no problem [02:45] Snowhog: ya, linux is getting better [02:45] jmichaelx: i tried binding keys as used in compiz, with ctrl+alt+left mouse click [02:45] phoenix_firebrd: I've been using Kubuntu since 2007. [02:46] but that just wasn't accepted in the setting dialog box [02:46] Snowhog: great man [02:46] Snowhog:i started with karmic [02:47] phoenix_firebrd: Began with Edgy and moved up as each release came out. [02:47] any pointer on how i could achieve that? [02:48] Snowhog: then you must be well experienced [02:49] phoenix_firebrd: Experienced? Yes. An expert? No. I am comfortable running Kubuntu, and it doesn't hurt that everything on my Toshiba Satellite laptop just works. :) [02:50] Snowhog: my friend is having the same laptop, had some trouble using ati radeon drivers, got fixed in 10.10 [02:51] veinos: ctrl+alt+left mouse click does not work for me, either... you may have to get used to different key bindings than you were used to with compiz [02:52] phoenix_firebrd: My laptop model is an 'older' P105-S6147. It has an integrated Intel Graphics GPU. Nothing fancey. [02:53] Snowhog: so no problem for you [02:53] is there anyway to copy my hdd onto another computer when im using raid [02:54] Back during Jaunty/Karmic, there was a short period when compositing was an issue, but when the xserver-xorg-video-intel issue was fixed, all was well again. [02:55] Snowhog: is kernel 2.6.36 released? [02:56] phoenix_firebrd: Not that I know of. I'm 'up to date' with the 2.6.35.23 kernel (32-bit) [02:56] jmichaelx: also, i just remembered why i wanted to use compiz 3d cube too... i can't drag windows around from one face to another one... [02:56] which just doesn't make sense [02:57] Snowhog: backports enabled? [02:57] veinos: i think you can do that, but things are not set up that way by default... unfortunately, i have not looked into how to actually do that [02:58] how do i clone my hdd [02:58] i'll ask google [02:59] bigdad1e: did you try any backup softwares [03:00] yeah. i have 2 servers and one doesnt have a cd or usb. but hotswap hdd [03:00] i want to clone everything on my one hdd and able to just plug it in and go [03:00] phoenix_firebrd: No. [03:01] im a complete noob. [03:01] Snowhog: ok [03:01] bigdad1e: can you wait, i will search for you [03:01] veinos: it's pretty easy... go to system settings>window behavior>screen edges>switch desktop edge: [03:02] k [03:05] awesome [03:05] thanks [03:05] bigdad1e: try these. opensource -->clonezilla.http://clonezilla.org/ [03:06] bigdad1e: or norton ghost for linux [03:14] #kubuntu-es [03:15] hola [03:15] alguien sabe español [03:15] ? [03:16] estoy en una sesion en vivo y no logro instalar [03:20] ayuda [03:20] help [03:20] como lo debo decir [03:20] estoy sin OS [03:32] Nemco8: hola, estoy utilizando el traductor de google ahora, ¿cómo puedo ayudarte === Nuuurg is now known as Lyrithya [03:32] phoenix_firebrd: estoy utilizando kubuntu 10.10 [03:33] phoenix_firebrd: y el icono de instalar no abre [03:33] intentare en ingles [03:33] pero spy muy malo en ingles [03:33] pero soy muy malo en ingles [03:34] i cant install kubuntu [03:35] Nemco8: ¿tienes el Live CD [03:36] Nemco8: se va a actualizar o instalar nuevos [03:37] i want install new [03:37] phoenix_firebrd: i want install new [03:37] Nemco8: can you read and understand english? [03:38] some things [03:38] Nemco8: when you tried installing, did you get a error? [03:38] not exactly [03:39] Nemco8: what did you do to install? [03:39] phoenix_firebrd: i'm clicking the install icon [03:39] Nemco8: what happens? [03:39] phoenix_firebrd: but not run [03:39] Nemco8: connected to internet? [03:40] phoenix_firebrd: yes [03:40] Nemco8: are you trying to install kubuntu 10.10? [03:40] phoenix_firebrd: rigth now im using live [03:40] phoenix_firebrd: this is 10.10 [03:41] Nemco8: ok [03:42] Nemco8: when you press the install icon, is there any harddisk activity? [03:42] phoenix_firebrd: sorry [03:42] phoenix_firebrd: this is 10.04 [03:42] phoenix_firebrd: the other last versions not work [03:43] Nemco8: what is you laptop or desktop, model no... [03:43] phoenix_firebrd: its a clon [03:44] phoenix_firebrd: motehrb elitegroup a780gm-a [03:44] phoenix_firebrd: proc amd athlon ii 64bits [03:44] phoenix_firebrd: two hdd [03:45] Nemco8: when you try kubuntu 10.10, what happens [03:45] phoenix_firebrd: i'm not download yet [03:45] Nemco8: can you try with the new one [03:46] phoenix_firebrd: 'm trying with ubuntu 10.10 [03:46] Nemco8: try kubuntu 10.1 [03:46] phoenix_firebrd: then... i cant install this distro? [03:47] Nemco8: was 10.04 working previously ? [03:47] phoenix_firebrd: to upgrade [03:47] phoenix_firebrd: yes [03:47] phoenix_firebrd: but in other machine [03:47] phoenix_firebrd: not this [03:48] Nemco8: may be your hardware is not compatable. [03:48] phoenix_firebrd: :S them [03:48] phoenix_firebrd: what i can do? [03:49] Nemco8: try in the #ubuntu channel, they might have some solution [03:49] phoenix_firebrd: ok [03:49] phoenix_firebrd: thank bro [03:49] Nemco8: how do you say thanks in spanish [03:50] phoenix_firebrd: gracias [03:50] Nemco8: bienvenida [03:50] phoenix_firebrd: jeje [03:50] phoenix_firebrd: no, thas is welcome [03:50] Nemco8: ya, you said thanks and so i said welcome [03:51] phoenix_firebrd: yes [03:51] phoenix_firebrd: jeje [03:51] phoenix_firebrd: thank you = gracias [03:51] Nemco8: adiós amigo [03:51] phoenix_firebrd: bienvenida = welcome [03:52] hi everyone [03:52] Nemco8: all languages =google translator [03:52] bigdad1e: did it work [03:52] phoenix_firebrd: jeje [03:52] no. [03:52] Nemco8: :) [03:52] i just reliesed the problem i have been having. so stupid. [03:52] bigdad1e: norton ghost or clonezilla? [03:53] bigdad1e: what [03:53] my cd drive on the one doesnt accept dvd duhh that i have been burning on thats why i couldnt install onto a different hdd [03:53] the dumbest thing i have ever did [03:53] bigdad1e: sorry, i cant understand you [03:54] my one server has a cdrom on it [03:54] bigdad1e: ha ha ha [03:54] bigdad1e: didn't you see the label on the drive [03:54] well i have burnt 15 isos to put onto the hdds but i burnt them on dvd not remembering [03:55] bigdad1e: what are you going to do next? [03:55] so i took the dvdrw out of my desktop and have it rigged up to my server now i need the drivers so my bios will reconise it === rmacleod is now known as vmeson [03:56] bigdad1e: you need drivers for your dvd drive? [03:56] correct [03:56] bigdad1e: isnt it a plug and play one? [03:56] i believe it is the os reads from it. but my bois doesnt reconise it [03:57] bigdad1e: it should [03:57] i cant set it in the boot process [03:57] bigdad1e: ide or sata [03:58] ide [03:58] bigdad1e: it should be detected by default [03:58] bigdad1e: what brand [03:58] one min [03:58] doesnt say [03:58] make sure IDE is enabled in the bios [03:59] it should be it seen the cdrom [03:59] it just doesnt pic the dvd rom up [04:02] also how do i partition my hdd that im on? [04:18] sorry guys. power went out === rmacleod is now known as vmeson [04:24] how do i multiboot [04:30] how do i update my bios [04:46] Hello [04:47] jgfjkg [05:35] hello everyone [05:37] i am using quassel, i am not able to seethe names on the left side of the messages [05:39] anyone there [05:41] got it [05:47] 中国 === t-otsuki is now known as takeshi [07:46] nazdaaaaaaaaaaaaar [07:46] !!! [07:46] :-) [07:47] bohááááááááááááá [07:47] :-D [07:47] matej: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [07:47] matej: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [07:47] okey [08:06] * Lyrithya has apparently wandered off. === niels__ is now known as nielsbusch === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck [09:14] Kubuntu. . . . [09:28] I am unable to upgrade my computer from 10.04 to 10.10 as it Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade [09:28] any advice [09:30] you have to update your system (sudo apt-get update) [09:31] i've done that [09:31] next upgrade your system (sudo apt-get upgrade) [09:32] i've reported bug #678429 too [09:32] Launchpad bug 678429 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Could not determine the upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678429 [09:32] done that too [09:32] strange [09:32] could this be due to me having kde 4.5.3 [09:33] i don't know [09:38] mfraz74: I thinked that you have simple problem [09:38] unfortunately not === MuzerAway is now known as Muzer [09:53] i'm trying to do raw writes to floppy using dd, but i can't find the actual floppy device, only links to folders containing pipes to it, any ideas? [10:05] kfloppy gives me "internal error: device not correctly defined" [10:17] can anyone in here help me set up my home network. im 100% new to this [10:21] or just help me get my ftpserver going === robotech is now known as Peace- [10:54] can someone help me with compiling basketnotes 1.8.1? I have installed the development packages listed in the INSTALL readme file, but it still is not installing and im not sure where the installer shell script logs errors to [10:58] hi [10:59] my tray icons disappear anyone knows how to put them back? [11:13] MaDiNfO_: are you on 10.10? in 10.04 there is the possibility of hiding tray-icons, you can see them by clicking on the triangle at the left of the system tray. I'm not sure it's the same on 10.10 though. [11:13] 10.04 [11:14] traingle ? [11:14] triangle ? [11:14] i dont see that [11:18] MaDiNfO_: http://www.rork.nl/tmp/server-monitor.png [11:18] i dont have that [11:18] i only got one icon [11:18] show the desktop [11:18] nothing more [11:21] found the problem [11:21] systray widget [11:21] was not running [11:22] MaDiNfO_: nice :) === hunold is now known as jhunold [13:02] hrm, just upgraded to maverick and now any kind of interaction (scrolling, changing message) in kmail pushes CPU usage to 100% [13:03] anyone seen anything like this? [13:13] PhilRod: do your Akonadi server work correctly? [13:14] larsjaaa_: um, I guess so (I successfully set up a google calendar with it). How would I check? [13:16] larsjaaa_: investigating more, it looks like the Xorg CPU usage is at ~100%, which perhaps suggests a graphics driver problem? [13:32] PhilRod: indeed [13:33] time to go to work - will have to look again this evening [13:33] or related to drawing, as the scrolling is triggering it [13:43] Hi folks [13:49] What's the right way to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 these days? [13:49] There's an update manager or something? [13:50] or do-release-upgrade or something like it [13:50] http://dpaste.com/278406/ [13:51] !upgrade [13:51] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [13:53] When will ubuntu install instructions use aptitude instead of apt-get... [13:54] steveire: never? [13:54] * Tm_T hides' [13:57] I don't understand the reasoning for using apt-get. But I'm sure it's a good one... [13:58] probably because it's in the install instructions and everybody is used to it... [14:02] it's small low-level tool wich isn't meant to be used as a frontend, that's why (; [14:06] steveire: there's tons of other options too that aren't used instead of apt-get, simply because that's the lowest and simplest [14:14] This look familiar? http://dpaste.com/278417/ === Shaan7_ is now known as Shaan7 === WindPower_ is now known as WindPower [15:13] Does this look familiar to anyone? http://dpaste.com/278438/ [15:17] steveire: reading [15:18] mmm [15:18] :S [15:18] you are trying to mess your system kid [15:20] Why does the 'report a bug' link on this page not take me to a page where I can fill in a bug report: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu [15:26] ciao a tutti [15:29] nuova installazione di kubuntu 10.04 e fino a ieri internet andava benone (tramite eternet e senza aver fatto niente) mentre oggi non va. o da sudo pppoeconf ma digitando "pon dsl-provider" mi segnala c solo i membri del "dip" possono usare questo comando...qualcuno sa dirmi cos'è? === Space_Man_ is now known as Space_Man [15:31] !it | berto01 [15:31] berto01: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [15:31] scusa, o digitato nel canale sbagliato [15:39] privet ribjata mne nygna pomoch... ))) [15:40] !ru | coolziro [15:40] coolziro: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke === akssps011_ is now known as akssps011 === sean is now known as Guest36751 === Y0Y0 is now known as yoyo === rajasekhar is now known as genupulas [16:41] hi [16:42] hi [16:49] servus === akssps011_ is now known as akssps011 [17:29] have a question about kmail. is there a way to pass the name of the filter or email address of the message to a program that is being called by a filter? === Shaan7__ is now known as Shaan7 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:48] gute nacht [19:12] $ sudo sleep 900; pm-suspend - gives This utility may only be run by the root user. What should be the correct approach? [19:14] sleep 900; sudo pm-suspend [19:15] but you might have to identify before, maybe run sudo uname, or something [19:15] else it'll ask your password after 900... 900 what? you have to tell; see sleep --help [19:18] hola [19:19] hello cristian_ [19:20] alguein de españa ¿? [19:29] Hi, i'm using kubuntu netbook edition, and my favorite icons keep disappearing, except for one. [19:29] Has anyone else seen this? Is there a known work-around or bug report i can follow? [19:31] I found some Arch users who are experiencing something similar. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=108318 [19:32] but their work-around was to downgrade to the same version of QT as I have. [19:39] hi === azim is now known as Guest27180 [19:40] Kann mir jemand bei der Erstellung einer xorg.conf helfen für 10.10? [19:43] !de | steffen___ [19:43] steffen___: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [19:43] Thank you) [20:14] I can't get my microphone to work. I have unmuted everything in alsamixer, but I still get nothing in Audacity or Skype. I am on Kubuntu 10.10. === nkoc__ is now known as nkoc === k is now known as Guest79110 === akssps011_ is now known as akssps011 [20:43] hi. When I log into fluxbox I am not able to hear any sound from amarok etc. How do I fix this? [20:43] does kde apps require any service to be started when using amarok? === jackson_ is now known as jackson [20:49] what is defult firewall on kubuntu1010? is it installed & run since firs connect by default? [20:53] therock: the builtin iptables [20:53] anybody? [20:54] !ask | nascentmind [20:54] nascentmind: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [20:54] EagleScreen, see above! [20:54] nascentmind: I can't [20:55] hi. When I log into fluxbox I am not able to hear any sound from amarok etc. How do I fix this? [20:56] nascentmind: does t happen for all applications or only for KDE applications? [20:56] I think only kde. [20:57] When I log into kde I can play on amarok. [20:57] Does it require some sound server or something to be started? [20:57] nascentmind: phonon [20:58] EagleScreen, I think I had problems with kmail too. It was throwing errors of some services not starting. [20:58] EagleScreen, Does phonon get started up when I am in fluxbox? [20:58] dont know [20:58] EagleScreen: is it configured to run by defult since first connect? or I need to configure? have any suggestion (tutorial)? I have to reinstall my system many times because i scared someone had got into my system.. [21:00] therock: firestarter may help you to configure the fierewall, but I think, the non-common ports are bloqued by default [21:01] also look ioogle for a iptables manual [21:01] *look in Google [21:03] im using firestarter now :) thanks, but i need to configure it on a few second at first connect, because it didnt know what kind of connection i use. thanks [21:10] hello [21:10] does installing apps using dpkg safe? [21:11] when i using effects, and turn off 'Enable direct rendering' and 'Use VSync' feel that windows are moving more smoothly [21:12] but is this can cause some problem or i dunno what these option really doing === sean is now known as Guest30195 [21:20] can installed apps be modified by someone else through network? === urgen is now known as urgyen [21:34] hi [21:35] hi [21:35] can someone recommend a website editor [21:35] ? [21:37] therock: if you count updates as modifications yes that's possible, like firefox updates [21:38] therock: installing packages with dpkg is only save if you trust the maker of that package, same with modifying over the network tbh === Muzer is now known as MuzerAway [21:41] surunveri: Have you looked at http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ [21:44] rork: so its safer to download using firefoxinstaller everytime installing firefox.. thanks [21:50] therock: I would say the official ubuntu installed with apt is savest provided you have the security updates enabled [21:51] yea [21:51] but is there a graphical editor like such you dont have to write html ? [21:53] rork: thanks :) [22:05] surunveri: Take a look at Kompozer: http://kompozer.net/ [22:06] yea im using kompozer right now :D [22:07] yea im sorry i think i got it too easy because some years ago i had dreamweaver for making websites and that didnt teach me much about html..well i didnt really want to either i just wanted to make one website at atime :D [22:16] surunveri: Nothing wrong with using a 'simple' solution to a need. Not everyone wants, or likes, using raw html to code web pages. [22:17] yeah.. [22:17] besides usually it's also better [22:17] to have a graphical aid since it's faster and more convenient, and you dont actually require the expertise [22:18] and also when you kind of know how things wrk, but dont know exactly, the GUI puts things into order [22:18] like [22:18] hmm [22:18] for an example if u convert videos [22:18] surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [22:18] surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [22:18] there's all kinds of settings you've to choose [22:18] if you use a commandline program without a GUI then you've to know everything and read manuals [22:19] but if you use a GUI with drop menus for each selection, you generally dont need to read anything because you can figure out what the option oughta be in each menu [22:19] u catch my drift? =D [22:47] surunveri: Everyone has their own preferences. I might like to be a Linux guru, but I'm not, nor do I have the inclination or desire to become one. I do like to know 'how' to get something done. :) [22:48] yeah === apachelogger is now known as FanOfNightrose === FanOfNightrose is now known as apachelogger === apachelogger is now known as phononlogger [23:33] sa === dasKreech is now known as devnulllogger === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck