[00:01] <BUGabundo> and here goes the largest test Amazon has EVER faced!
[03:15] <coz_> hey guys..as i recall..if I download the daily build alternate...i can use that to update maverick ...yes?
[03:15] <IdleOne> coz_: you should be able to yes
[03:16] <coz_> IdleOne,  so actually if I use something like gmountiso  I can still do that yes?
[03:16] <IdleOne> I have never done that
[03:16] <IdleOne> don't know to tell the truth
[03:16] <coz_> IdleOne,  me neither,, that's why I asked,,,well i will find out :)
[03:17] <IdleOne> :)
[03:17] <coz_> well if it works it would  a nice hint for others :)
[03:18] <rww> mount -o loop works for upgrading.
[03:19] <coz_> rww,   with just iso image?
[03:19] <rww> Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD , adapt for Natty.
[03:19] <coz_> yeah that wants it to be burned
[03:20] <rww> no it doesn't
[03:20] <rww> see the bullet point under (2)
[03:20] <coz_> ah? ok I will read more carefully
[03:20] <coz_> ah I see
[03:21] <coz_> ah ok  gmountiso should work then
[03:22] <rww> I've had issues with gmountiso in the past with other ISOs. Your mileage may vary, but I'd recommend mount -o loop.
[03:22] <coz_> ok thanks :)
[06:03] <coz_> is update-manager -d  still viable or upgradeing??
[06:03] <rww> upgrading from what to what?
[06:03] <coz_> maverick to natty
[06:03] <rww> I believe so
[06:03] <coz_> the alternate iso didnt work for me
[06:04] <rww> may be that the various metapackages aren't installable due to package conflicts right now. I couldn't say.
[06:04] <coz_> ok
[06:04] <coz_> rww,  so if all else fails  clean install from daily build?
[06:05] <rww> I think I grabbed Maverick, changed my sources.list, and did aptitude safe-upgrade, then let conflicts deal with themselves over time. This probably isn't recommended, though ;\
[06:06] <coz_> yeah that also failed  at setting new software channels
[06:06] <rww> that's do-release-upgrade, not aptitude
[06:06] <coz_> well it failed again with update-manager -d
[06:06] <coz_> same place
[06:07] <coz_> ok let me try do-release-upgrade
[06:07] <coz_> ok nothing working
[06:07] <coz_> I will burn the darn iso
[08:55] <st__> is alpha out?
[09:04] <rww> st__: It's due on December 2nd
[09:04] <st__> nice
[16:28] <Drakeson> does the unity launcher use gconf for its settings?
[18:22] <lapion> 3/j #ubuntu
[18:46] <IdleOne> When do we normally see new artwork in +1?
[18:46] <IdleOne> splash screen and stuff
[18:46] <Pici> IdleOne: Not until much later in the cycle.
[18:47] <rww> the day after UI freeze
[18:47] <IdleOne> I been seeing the 10.10 splash for long time now :/
[18:47] <IdleOne> bored with it
[18:47] <IdleOne> I need new splashyness
[20:43] <frewsxcv> how do you remove something from $PATH  ?
[20:57] <xnox> What's the best way to upgrade all ppa to a new release?
[20:57] <xnox> /etc/apt/sources.d/*
[21:01] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:10]  * charlie-tca waves at BUGabundo 
[21:10] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[21:10] <BUGabundo> what are we breaking today?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> I can't get anything to breal
[21:11] <charlie-tca> break
[21:11] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I can't any updates either
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Haven't had any in a week or more
[21:12] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe I broke it real bad and don't know it?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:14] <BUGabundo> I just had a bunch
[21:14] <yofel> wait, no updates sounds familiar...
[21:14] <charlie-tca> so what did I do to it?
[21:15] <yofel> charlie-tca: you're not hit by bug 678196 are you?
[21:15] <charlie-tca> heh, let's find out
[21:19] <charlie-tca> OMG! 225 upgrades
[21:19] <charlie-tca> yofel: yup, that is it
[21:19] <yofel> crap, mvo isn't here :/
[21:19] <charlie-tca> blocks upgrade-manger and dist-upgrade
[21:20] <yofel> really? dist-upgrade worked when I tried it. (I think - let me check)
[21:20] <BUGabundo> aptitude full upgrade ftew
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Never use aptitude
[21:21] <charlie-tca> so, how bad will I break it now?
[21:21] <yofel> geh, can't test it without any pending updates -.-
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Seems like a pretty critical bug, if it blocks all upgrades
[21:23] <yofel> it *seemed* to work for me last time I tried it so I left the bug alone, but I don't use regular apt or update-manager usually
[21:24] <charlie-tca> I use dist-upgrade daily, and try update-manager weekly
[21:24] <yofel> and it's not like I can leave extras enabled all the time since it really breaks apt-get source which I use frequently
[21:24] <charlie-tca> importance high or critical?
[21:26] <yofel> I would go for high, I think there aren't that many pre-alpha users out there that critical makes sense
[21:28] <charlie-tca> did it
[21:37] <BUGabundo> this new pidgin bug is nice
[21:37] <BUGabundo> can't select the bottom line
[21:38] <yofel> haven't tried pidgin in ages.. let's see...
[21:39] <charlie-tca> hm, I tried pidgin last week, did it change since then?
[21:39] <yofel> and it still doesn't support xmpp priorities..
[21:41] <BUGabundo> yes it does
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I would die without it
[21:42] <yofel> BUGabundo: and where do I set it?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> enable the plugin
[21:44] <BUGabundo> you know pidgin is minimalist
[21:44] <BUGabundo> who uses it , anyway
[21:44] <BUGabundo> want it, enable it
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Yay! I did break something today.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> A fresh install of natty, opened appearance, can't shutdown now
[21:52] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:52]  * BUGabundo presses charlie-tca power button
[21:53] <charlie-tca> lol
[21:53] <charlie-tca> had hopes of just using the software shutdown button
[21:54] <charlie-tca> But I can't close appearances either
[21:56] <xnox> Congratulations! =) Have a cookie ;-)
[21:57] <yofel> the only issue I have so far is that my thinkpad fails to suspend, works fine otherwise
[22:03] <BUGabundo> most of my applets don't work
[22:04] <BUGabundo> firefox migrated to 5 (I've pinned down to 3)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> cpu starts on Max performance
[22:04] <BUGabundo> nouveau 3D won't work
[22:04] <BUGabundo> now pidgin is wonky
[22:04] <BUGabundo> need I say more ?
[22:11] <yofel> nah, though I wonder what testpilot is
[22:11] <yofel> firefox (4.0~b7+nobinonly-0ubuntu3) natty; "Ship the testpilot extension for beta as per the official builds"
[22:17] <charlie-tca> downthemall won't work with ff 4.0?
[22:18] <yofel> nope, doesn't work for me either
[22:18]  * yofel wonders why they didn't at least update ubufox...
[22:19] <charlie-tca> I didn't think ubufox gets updated until beta or later
[22:21] <yofel> well, for me downthemall, firegestures, firebug and the lp-gm-scripts are the ones that I hope get updated sometime soon
[22:21] <charlie-tca> me too
[22:29] <BUGabundo> greasemonkey :)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> its being rewriten
[22:36] <xnox> BUGabundo, chromium extension? chromium compatible greasemonkey?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:37] <BUGabundo> but not personalized as in FF
[22:37] <BUGabundo> you can't edit them after adding
[22:59] <dan2> is there a fix for this lack of window manager borders or such in natty?
[22:59] <dan2> I've worked around it by using metacity --replace
[22:59] <dan2> but
[22:59] <dan2> it is very very annoying
[23:06] <leagris> Throwing an idea here. Eat that. For 11years using Linux and 7 years of Ubuntu. The very annoying little thing that kept never enhanced, is: The default caps-lock off. Really, it is crazy IMHO. Who the hell prefer this default caps-lock off instead of on?
[23:07] <leagris> Shall I put some poll feature request on Launchpad for changing this default?
[23:10] <yofel> caps lock on by default o.O? well, put an idea on brainstorm if you  want
[23:10] <leagris> :)
[23:11] <Pici> I'm not sure why anyone would want that though...
[23:11] <leagris> Pici, non english keyboards don't have digits on main keyboard
[23:11] <yofel> or he means num lock...
[23:12] <Pici> yofel: that would make more sense.
[23:12] <Pici> leagris: capslock != numlock
[23:12] <leagris> solid_liquid, when login, entering password with numbers require enabling num-lock, because the numeric keypad is useless without it.
[23:13] <leagris> Pici, with eg french keyboard, entering numbers on the main require maintaining shift. Caps-lock does not enable numbers.
[23:13] <Pici> leagris: You said capslock before, thats why we were confused.
[23:14] <leagris> Furthermore, I see no reason not enabling numbers on numeric key pad as the alternate cursor displacment there already have dedicated keys
[23:14] <leagris> Pici, sorry
[23:14] <leagris> was meant to be num-lock ;D
[23:15] <yofel> well, I'll agree with that then (on keyboards that have a seperate numpad)
[23:17] <leagris> especially I struggled with debugging crash issues in compiz. So spent some time in the text console CTRL+ALT+F1, then back to Xorg CTRL+ALT+F7, then had the num-lock status out of sync between the text console and Xorg. Num-lock led on but non num-lock...
[23:18] <leagris> And needed to log-in several times, re enabling num-lock each time I restarted gdm
[23:19] <leagris> yofel, that setting default num-lock could be dependant on exclusion of laptop-mode as most desktop keyboard have numpad.