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| bradh | Hi. I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and am a bit confused. I'm interested in knowing if my software works OK on arm, but I don't have any ARM hardware. So I'm looking for the easiest way to get ubuntu going on qemu. | 03:51 |
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| bradh | Do I have to build the rootfs? Or is it possible to say "qemu --magic_options" and install an image as usual? | 03:52 |
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| persia | zumbi_, GrueMaster: There aren't any arch-specific mailing lists for Ubuntu. ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com is usually a good choice. | 06:45 |
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| GrueMaster | persia: Thanks. Didn't knpw if we were replacing ubuntu-mobile or not. | 07:12 |
| GrueMaster | know | 07:12 |
| persia | It's about purpose. Flavours can have mailing lists: interesting discussions about how to solve various issues (What use cases do we support? How do we handle USB drives? What program is useful for making phone calls?) | 07:13 |
| persia | Since each flavour has a *different* answer to these questions, it makes sense to have separate discussions. | 07:13 |
| persia | In the case of architectures, there's very rarely such interesting discussions. Most of the meaty bits are really more appropriately handled in toolchain discussions, which tend to happen in bug reports. | 07:14 |
| GrueMaster | ah | 07:14 |
| persia | And porting issues are usually interesting to everyone, although some architectures get more support than others (mostly seems to be related to what developers have, rather than anything else) | 07:15 |
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| hrw | hi | 08:09 |
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| bradh | I asked earlier, but didn't get a response: is the best way to set up a generic (not representative of any particular hardware) qemu vm to build the rootfs? Or is there something easier? | 10:34 |
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| hrw | multistrap, rootstock, linaro-image-create | 10:58 |
| hrw | some of them | 10:58 |
| fredim | This error happens when I install ubuntu10.10-netbook-arm | 11:22 |
| fredim | ubuntu-netbook-10.10-netbook-armel+dove | 11:22 |
| fredim | "Not omap EVM" | 11:23 |
| persia | fredim, You probably want to try to catch NCommander about that: I think he did most of the dove testing (and I don't know anyone else offhand who has dove) | 11:27 |
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| zumbi_ | persia: ubuntu-devel best choice or ubuntu-mobile.. i just want to invite/let know ubuntu-arm about emdebian sprint/worksession | 12:48 |
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| persia | zumbi_, ubuntu-devel is probably best for that. | 12:52 |
| persia | ubuntu-mobile will likely go away soon enough. | 12:52 |
| persia | (as the flavours it discussed are no longer extant) | 12:52 |
| zumbi_ | persia: ack, thanks :) | 13:00 |
| joolzg | afternoon fromuk | 13:06 |
| joolzg | got a problem, just installed ubuntu10.10 on my beagle board, system up but mouse and keyboard not working so i cannot get past the 1st welcome screen | 13:07 |
| joolzg | ive also tried a couple of mice but same outcome | 13:07 |
| joolzg | i know the keyboard works cause i have been playing with building new kernels | 13:08 |
| joolzg | forgot to say im using the Maverick build linked from wiki.ubuntu.com | 13:09 |
| joolzg | anybody here, feel all alone :-) | 13:10 |
| ogra_ac | what beage version is that ? | 13:12 |
| ogra_ac | *beagle | 13:12 |
| ogra_ac | pre-C4 had USB issues iirc | 13:12 |
| joolzg | c4 version | 13:13 |
| ogra_ac | do you have a powered HUB attached ? | 13:13 |
| joolzg | yep, i started with the EBV Beagle Kit which comes with everything except keyboard and mouse | 13:13 |
| joolzg | as i said i have been running non-gui for over a week, so i know keyboard works | 13:14 |
| ogra_ac | which instructions exactly did you follow ? got a link ? | 13:14 |
| joolzg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall | 13:14 |
| ogra_ac | ok, thats the official image | 13:15 |
| joolzg | it boots and runs but it fails to let me past the "System Configuration" | 13:15 |
| ogra_ac | do you properly boot with the initrd ? | 13:15 |
| ogra_ac | ah, if you see the oem config screen you should be fine wrt initrd | 13:16 |
| ogra_ac | did you try to reconnect mouse and kbd after X is up | 13:16 |
| joolzg | nope | 13:17 |
| ogra_ac | try that | 13:17 |
| joolzg | not working | 13:18 |
| ogra_ac | hmm | 13:19 |
| * ogra_ac hasnt heard of any such issues yet | 13:19 | |
| joolzg | any way of getting the console up | 13:20 |
| ogra_ac | edit boot.scr before you do the first boot, during the resize the image should set up a serial getty | 13:21 |
| joolzg | im a bit new on this stuff so any more pointers please | 13:28 |
| joolzg | i just booted from another SD card which i can see "4 port hub found" | 13:30 |
| joolzg | and it shows in dmesg "CHESEN USB Keyboard" | 13:30 |
| joolzg | and | 13:30 |
| joolzg | "PIXART USB Optical Mouse" | 13:31 |
| joolzg | found it will turn on the serial and see what messages i get | 13:37 |
| joolzg | ive added in the console=ttyS2,115200n8 and nothingon console, should i try ttyS1 | 13:49 |
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| joolzg | right got console up and there are no messages after the console login message, the system continues to boot but will without USB Keyboard or Mouse | 14:06 |
| joolzg | i also cannot see any USB messages in the console output | 14:06 |
| suihkulokki | lool: any idea why ldconfig would not plunge into hwcap directories, but ld.so does (ie when no ld.so.cache is around) | 14:14 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Is your glibc/eglibc patched similarly than Ubuntu's? | 14:26 |
| lool | debian/patches/arm/local-hwcap-updates.diff | 14:26 |
| lool | suihkulokki: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/ubuntu/eglibc/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/arm/local-hwcap-updates.diff | 14:27 |
| lool | suihkulokki: In fact, I'm not even sure this is enough | 14:28 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Right; the patch has been broken in Ubuntu for some reason | 14:29 |
| suihkulokki | lool: thats not the problem.. I see ld.so crawl the directories and load hwcap libraries as expected | 14:30 |
| suihkulokki | the problem is ldconfig doesnt crawl them | 14:30 |
| lool | suihkulokki: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-toolchain/glibc-neon-and-misc-hwcaps/revision/214 | 14:30 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Yes; that's the HWCAP_IMPORTANT thing | 14:30 |
| suihkulokki | without HWCAP_IMPORTANT ld.so doesn't crawl them | 14:31 |
| lool | well I remember reading through that code when patching for vfp and neon, and there were different sets for ldconfig and for ld.so | 14:31 |
| lool | ah debian/patches/arm/local-no-hwcap.diff is the other patch | 14:32 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Is this in a chroot with /proc mounted? | 14:33 |
| lool | * Update patch arm/local-no-hwcap to also flag HWCAP_ARM_NEON as an | 14:33 |
| lool | important hwcap; this adds /lib/neon, /usr/lib/neon etc. to the ldconfig | 14:33 |
| lool | and ld.so search pathes. | 14:33 |
| lool | * New patch, arm/local-hwcap-updates, add support for some recent ARM hwcaps | 14:34 |
| lool | additions. | 14:34 |
| lool | So one of them is for the ldconfig cache, and the other is for ld.so and ldconfig; indeed it seems you should be seeing the same behavior for ldconfig and ld.so | 14:34 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Is this with ldconfig -r? | 14:37 |
| lool | suihkulokki: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11149 was "recently" fixed and apparently introduced a regression | 14:38 |
| ubot2 | lool: Error: Could not parse XML returned by sourceware.org: timed out (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/xml.cgi?id=11149) | 14:38 |
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| suihkulokki | lool: no -r option | 14:41 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Ok; then I'm out of ideas and would have to debug it | 14:42 |
| lool | I'm afraid I forgot most of the reading I did back then | 14:42 |
| lool | suihkulokki: I'm curious to hear for the issue when you've found it :-) | 14:43 |
| lool | suihkulokki: Do you have this in a bug somewher? | 14:43 |
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| GrueMaster | ogra: Friday's image fails to boot a second time. Am planning to look into it further, but here is the boot log. http://paste.ubuntu.com/535244/ | 16:17 |
| rsavoye | Is the OpenGLES & OpenVG libraries in Natty accelerated or are they the Mesa versions ? | 16:18 |
| rsavoye | plus I was wondering if they were desktop only, as I was planing on using a framebuffer with no X11 | 16:18 |
| ogra_ac | GrueMaster, there were some X issues | 16:19 |
| hrw | rsavoye: mesa iirc provides only opengl not openles | 16:21 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_ac: This is a kernel panic, and doesn't look X related. I could be wrong, but I don't see any indication of X starting here. | 16:21 |
| ogra_ac | oh, k | 16:21 |
| rsavoye | hrw: actually there are OpenGLES1 & 2, plus OpenVG libraries for Mesa, I'm already using them | 16:22 |
| rsavoye | but eventually need to move them off the desktop and onto the real device | 16:22 |
| rsavoye | i.mx51 based | 16:22 |
| rsavoye | I assume I can use the ARM Mali libraries with Natty or Maverick ? | 16:23 |
| hrw | rsavoye: babbage? | 16:23 |
| rsavoye | nope, custom hardware | 16:24 |
| rsavoye | initially using the Freescale eval board | 16:24 |
| hrw | rsavoye: planning to use 2.6.35-fsl or other version? | 16:24 |
| rsavoye | right now they're using ltib for building images | 16:25 |
| rsavoye | but may move to Ubuntu | 16:25 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_ac: Did the image builder crash? Not seeing images since 20101119, and no email for omap4 imaages (blank email for omap only). | 16:30 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: does your ac100 have touchscreen ? | 16:31 |
| ogra_ac | GrueMaster, no, only the logging | 16:31 |
| ogra_ac | prpplague, nope | 16:31 |
| ogra_ac | GrueMaster, ubuntu-netbook-default-settings was borked, fix went in today | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | Ah. | 16:32 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: how is it working out for you? | 16:32 |
| ogra_ac | GrueMaster, i dont know how ubuntu-netbook will behave though | 16:32 |
| ogra_ac | so tomorrows build may still fail | 16:32 |
| ogra_ac | prpplague, using ubuntu without touchscreen on the ac100 ? works fine ;) | 16:33 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: sorry i meant in general, not specific to the touch part | 16:33 |
| ogra_ac | well, its works so so ... given that all power management, sound, button control etc is done in a proprietary tool in userspace i cant make full use of all the device features | 16:34 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: have you seen the HP touchsmart units? they are x86, but i am curious what you think about the form factor: http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchSmart-tm2-2150us-12-1-Inch-Argento/dp/B00429LI9W | 16:35 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: it's one of those designs that folds down into a psuedo-tablet | 16:36 |
| ogra_ac | my laptop is such a device | 16:36 |
| ogra_ac | i dont use the touchscreen much | 16:36 |
| ogra_ac | http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=11149 | 16:38 |
| ogra_ac | prpplague, to be honest i dont use my normal laptop much anymore, when i bought it it felt light any breezy but since i have the ac100 everything feels clunky, i even do tasks on the laptop only remotely from the ac100 atm | 16:46 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: interesting | 16:47 |
| prpplague | never even heard of AVA before | 16:48 |
| ogra_ac | i guess if you ask macbook air users you will hear something similar from them | 16:48 |
| ogra_ac | the form factor is really intreaguing | 16:49 |
| ogra_ac | AVA is just an ODM, the OEM is Clevo for that laptop | 16:49 |
| ogra_ac | err, other way round ;) | 16:49 |
| ogra_ac | i bought mine as "nexoc" | 16:50 |
| prpplague | interesting | 16:50 |
| ogra_ac | (the ac100 is originally built by compal btw) | 16:51 |
| prpplague | the prices are certainly good | 16:51 |
| ogra_ac | yeah, its cheap and everything works out of the box with ubuntu, that were my critical points back then | 16:52 |
| ogra_ac | and you can upgrade every part of it (CPU, RAM, DIsk etc) | 16:52 |
| prpplague | hmm, this would be interesting with omap4 - http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=13877 | 16:53 |
| ogra_ac | with laptops i usually buy some average standard and upgrade it after 1.2 years | 16:53 |
| ogra_ac | 1-2 | 16:53 |
| ogra_ac | heh, toughbook like | 16:53 |
| prpplague | yea | 16:53 |
| hrw | prpplague: I would prefer 10-11" with >=1024x600 but needs to have hdmi out | 16:57 |
| * ogra_ac would prefer a pandaboard in the ac100 case ;) | 16:59 | |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: already done that | 17:00 |
| ogra_ac | wooot ?!? | 17:00 |
| ogra_ac | a std panda ? | 17:00 |
| prpplague | minus the connectors | 17:01 |
| ogra_ac | wow | 17:01 |
| ogra_ac | indeed, minus the connectors ;) | 17:01 |
| prpplague | it was more of a proof of concept thing | 17:05 |
| ogra_ac | bah, do it in mass production ! | 17:06 |
| prpplague | i thought about making a "retro fit kit" | 17:06 |
| ogra_ac | :) | 17:06 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: http://www.frys.com/product/6280390?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG | 17:32 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: thats the netbook i used | 17:33 |
| ogra_ac | thats not an ac100 ;) | 17:33 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: yea i needed the room inside to shove a panda in | 17:33 |
| prpplague | ogra: if i did a nice pcb, i could get it down into a 7" netbook | 17:34 |
| ogra_ac | yeah, thats why i was so suprised you said ac100 | 17:34 |
| ogra_ac | thats like 4x thicker than the ac100 | 17:34 |
| ogra_ac | my gf has the same one sitting next to me | 17:34 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: yea, if i were to do a custom pcb, i could get it pretty thin | 17:34 |
| ogra_ac | yup | 17:35 |
| prpplague | 7" seems too small to me | 17:36 |
| prpplague | 8.9" is about right | 17:36 |
| ogra_ac | board size you mean ? | 17:37 |
| prpplague | the smallest 1280x800 i've seen is 11.4" | 17:37 |
| prpplague | display | 17:37 |
| ogra_ac | ah, the ac100 is 10" | 17:37 |
| ogra_ac | and the MSI too (at least the one next to me) | 17:37 |
| prpplague | yea the choices for lvds displays right now are 7" , 8.9", 10.1", 11.6" and 12.1" for netbooks | 17:38 |
| ogra_ac | who needs 1280x800 anyway | 17:38 |
| prpplague | 10.1" is the standard pers se | 17:38 |
| ogra_ac | as long as you lead the HDMI outside | 17:38 |
| prpplague | yea that is my thoughts as well | 17:39 |
| ogra_ac | 1024x600 is just fine for the internal display | 17:39 |
| prpplague | ogra_ac: but i get alot of end user feedback saying they want 1280x800 | 17:39 |
| ogra_ac | well | 17:39 |
| prpplague | (note most end users have no clue what they actually need verses what they want) | 17:40 |
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| ogra_ac | i doubt you will actually be able to tell the difference between a 1024x600 downscaled and 1280x800 full HD movie | 17:40 |
| prpplague | indeed | 17:40 |
| ogra_ac | which is the only reason why i wuld want a 1280x600 LCD | 17:41 |
| ogra_ac | but then i would use a 50" TV via HDMI anyway :P | 17:41 |
| prpplague | hehe | 17:50 |
| ogra_ac | GrueMaster, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/664431 needs some NEON testing (again) | 18:05 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 664431 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "QT on armel is built with NEON by default (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:05 |
| GrueMaster | What kind of testing do you need me to do? Be aware I only have one pandaboard with me. I can remote into my dove, but it is limited. | 18:06 |
| GrueMaster | I can do more thorough testing with the dove next week. | 18:10 |
| ogra_ac | well, as soon as you can then | 18:12 |
| ogra_ac | just install a QT app and try to run it (ssh -X will be fine too, you dont need to have a desktop installed) | 18:13 |
| GrueMaster | Ok, I'll see what I can do. | 18:13 |
| ogra_ac | and report back that you dont see a SIGILL | 18:13 |
| ogra_ac | no hurry, we have 10 days | 18:13 |
| ogra_ac | or so | 18:13 |
| ogra_ac | i asked some ac100 people too, but we need a test from a supported arch as well i think | 18:14 |
| GrueMaster | I can test the panda in a little bit. | 18:16 |
| ogra_ac | panda has neon | 18:17 |
| ogra_ac | i need a dove test once you are back home | 18:17 |
| GrueMaster | Ah. Ok. | 18:17 |
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| ogra_ac | ndec, ! | 22:08 |
| ndec | ogra_ac: hi | 22:09 |
| ogra_ac | ndec, i'm waiting since a week to give you this link ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031860.html | 22:09 |
| ogra_ac | somehow i either forgot it or you werent around | 22:09 |
| ogra_ac | that has info about the linker changes | 22:09 |
| ndec | ogra_ac: hehe... thx! | 22:10 |
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