[03:51] <bradh> Hi. I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and am a bit confused. I'm interested in knowing if my software works OK on arm, but I don't have any ARM hardware. So I'm looking for the easiest way to get ubuntu going on qemu.
[03:52] <bradh> Do I have to build the rootfs? Or is it possible to say "qemu --magic_options" and install an image as usual?
[06:45] <persia> zumbi_, GrueMaster: There aren't any arch-specific mailing lists for Ubuntu.  ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com is usually a good choice.
[07:12] <GrueMaster> persia: Thanks.  Didn't knpw if we were replacing ubuntu-mobile or not.
[07:12] <GrueMaster> know
[07:13] <persia> It's about purpose.  Flavours can have mailing lists: interesting discussions about how to solve various issues (What use cases do we support?  How do we handle USB drives?  What program is useful for making phone calls?)
[07:13] <persia> Since each flavour has a *different* answer to these questions, it makes sense to have separate discussions.
[07:14] <persia> In the case of architectures, there's very rarely such interesting discussions.  Most of the meaty bits are really more appropriately handled in toolchain discussions, which tend to happen in bug reports.
[07:14] <GrueMaster> ah
[07:15] <persia> And porting issues are usually interesting to everyone, although some architectures get more support than others (mostly seems to be related to what developers have, rather than anything else)
[08:09] <hrw> hi
[10:34] <bradh> I asked earlier, but didn't get a response: is the best way to set up a generic (not representative of any particular hardware) qemu vm to build the rootfs? Or is there something easier?
[10:58] <hrw> multistrap, rootstock, linaro-image-create
[10:58] <hrw> some of them
[11:22] <fredim> This error happens when I install ubuntu10.10-netbook-arm
[11:22] <fredim> ubuntu-netbook-10.10-netbook-armel+dove
[11:23] <fredim> "Not omap EVM"
[11:27] <persia> fredim, You probably want to try to catch NCommander about that: I think he did most of the dove testing (and I don't know anyone else offhand who has dove)
[12:48] <zumbi_> persia: ubuntu-devel best choice or ubuntu-mobile.. i just want to invite/let know ubuntu-arm about emdebian sprint/worksession
[12:52] <persia> zumbi_, ubuntu-devel is probably best for that.
[12:52] <persia> ubuntu-mobile will likely go away soon enough.
[12:52] <persia> (as the flavours it discussed are no longer extant)
[13:00] <zumbi_> persia: ack, thanks :)
[13:06] <joolzg> afternoon fromuk
[13:07] <joolzg> got a problem, just installed ubuntu10.10 on my beagle board, system up but mouse and keyboard not working so i cannot get past the 1st welcome screen
[13:07] <joolzg> ive also tried a couple of mice but same outcome
[13:08] <joolzg> i know the keyboard works cause i have been playing with building new kernels
[13:09] <joolzg> forgot to say im using the Maverick build linked from wiki.ubuntu.com
[13:10] <joolzg> anybody here, feel all alone :-)
[13:12] <ogra_ac> what beage version is that ?
[13:12] <ogra_ac> *beagle
[13:12] <ogra_ac> pre-C4 had USB issues iirc
[13:13] <joolzg> c4 version
[13:13] <ogra_ac> do you have a powered HUB attached ?
[13:13] <joolzg> yep, i started with the EBV Beagle Kit which comes with everything except keyboard and mouse
[13:14] <joolzg> as i said i have been running non-gui for over a week, so i know keyboard works
[13:14] <ogra_ac> which instructions exactly did you follow ? got  a link ?
[13:14] <joolzg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[13:15] <ogra_ac> ok, thats the official image
[13:15] <joolzg> it boots and runs but it fails to let me past the "System Configuration"
[13:15] <ogra_ac> do you properly boot with the initrd ?
[13:16] <ogra_ac> ah, if you see the oem config screen you should be fine wrt initrd
[13:16] <ogra_ac> did you try to reconnect mouse and kbd after X is up
[13:17] <joolzg> nope
[13:17] <ogra_ac> try that
[13:18] <joolzg> not working
[13:19] <ogra_ac> hmm
[13:19]  * ogra_ac hasnt heard of any such issues yet
[13:20] <joolzg> any way of getting the console up
[13:21] <ogra_ac> edit boot.scr before you do the first boot, during the resize the image should set up a serial getty
[13:28] <joolzg> im a bit new on this stuff so any more pointers please
[13:30] <joolzg> i just booted from another SD card which i can see "4 port hub found"
[13:30] <joolzg> and it shows in dmesg "CHESEN USB Keyboard"
[13:30] <joolzg> and
[13:31] <joolzg> "PIXART USB Optical Mouse"
[13:37] <joolzg> found it will turn on the serial and see what messages i get
[13:49] <joolzg> ive added in the console=ttyS2,115200n8 and nothingon console, should i try ttyS1
[14:06] <joolzg> right got console up and there are no messages after the console login message, the system continues to boot but will without USB Keyboard or Mouse
[14:06] <joolzg> i also cannot see any USB messages in the console output
[14:14] <suihkulokki> lool: any idea why ldconfig would not plunge into hwcap directories, but ld.so does (ie when no ld.so.cache is around)
[14:26] <lool> suihkulokki: Is your glibc/eglibc patched similarly than Ubuntu's?
[14:26] <lool> debian/patches/arm/local-hwcap-updates.diff
[14:27] <lool> suihkulokki: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/ubuntu/eglibc/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/arm/local-hwcap-updates.diff
[14:28] <lool> suihkulokki: In fact, I'm not even sure this is enough
[14:29] <lool> suihkulokki: Right; the patch has been broken in Ubuntu for some reason
[14:30] <suihkulokki> lool: thats not the problem.. I see ld.so crawl the directories and load hwcap libraries as expected
[14:30] <suihkulokki> the problem is ldconfig doesnt crawl them
[14:30] <lool> suihkulokki: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-toolchain/glibc-neon-and-misc-hwcaps/revision/214
[14:30] <lool> suihkulokki: Yes; that's the HWCAP_IMPORTANT thing
[14:31] <suihkulokki> without HWCAP_IMPORTANT ld.so doesn't crawl them
[14:31] <lool> well I remember reading through that code when patching for vfp and neon, and there were different sets for ldconfig and for ld.so
[14:32] <lool> ah debian/patches/arm/local-no-hwcap.diff is the other patch
[14:33] <lool> suihkulokki: Is this in a chroot with /proc mounted?
[14:33] <lool>   * Update patch arm/local-no-hwcap to also flag HWCAP_ARM_NEON as an
[14:33] <lool>     important hwcap; this adds /lib/neon, /usr/lib/neon etc. to the ldconfig
[14:33] <lool>     and ld.so search pathes.
[14:34] <lool>   * New patch, arm/local-hwcap-updates, add support for some recent ARM hwcaps
[14:34] <lool>     additions.
[14:34] <lool> So one of them is for the ldconfig cache, and the other is for ld.so and ldconfig; indeed it seems you should be seeing the same behavior for ldconfig and ld.so
[14:37] <lool> suihkulokki: Is this with ldconfig -r?
[14:38] <lool> suihkulokki: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11149 was "recently" fixed and apparently introduced a regression
[14:38] <ubot2> lool: Error: Could not parse XML returned by sourceware.org: timed out (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/xml.cgi?id=11149)
[14:41] <suihkulokki> lool: no -r option
[14:42] <lool> suihkulokki: Ok; then I'm out of ideas and would have to debug it
[14:42] <lool> I'm afraid I forgot most of the reading I did back then
[14:43] <lool> suihkulokki: I'm curious to hear for the issue when you've found it  :-)
[14:43] <lool> suihkulokki: Do you have this in a bug somewher?
[16:17] <GrueMaster> ogra: Friday's image fails to boot a second time.  Am planning to look into it further, but here is the boot log.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/535244/
[16:18] <rsavoye> Is the OpenGLES & OpenVG libraries in Natty accelerated or are they the Mesa versions ?
[16:18] <rsavoye> plus I was wondering if they were desktop only, as I was planing on using a framebuffer with no X11
[16:19] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, there were some X issues
[16:21] <hrw> rsavoye: mesa iirc provides only opengl not openles
[16:21] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: This is a kernel panic, and doesn't look X related.  I could be wrong, but I don't see any indication of X starting here.
[16:21] <ogra_ac> oh, k
[16:22] <rsavoye> hrw: actually there are OpenGLES1 & 2, plus OpenVG libraries for Mesa, I'm already using them
[16:22] <rsavoye> but eventually need to move them off the desktop and onto the real device
[16:22] <rsavoye> i.mx51 based
[16:23] <rsavoye> I assume I can use the ARM Mali libraries with Natty or Maverick ?
[16:23] <hrw> rsavoye: babbage?
[16:24] <rsavoye> nope, custom hardware
[16:24] <rsavoye> initially using the Freescale eval board
[16:24] <hrw> rsavoye: planning to use 2.6.35-fsl or other version?
[16:25] <rsavoye> right now they're using ltib for building images
[16:25] <rsavoye> but may move to Ubuntu
[16:30] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: Did the image builder crash?  Not seeing images since 20101119, and no email for omap4 imaages (blank email for omap only).
[16:31] <prpplague> ogra_ac: does your ac100 have touchscreen ?
[16:31] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, no, only the logging
[16:31] <ogra_ac> prpplague, nope
[16:31] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, ubuntu-netbook-default-settings was borked, fix went in today
[16:32] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[16:32] <prpplague> ogra_ac: how is it working out for you?
[16:32] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, i dont know how ubuntu-netbook will behave though
[16:32] <ogra_ac> so tomorrows build may still fail
[16:33] <ogra_ac> prpplague, using ubuntu without touchscreen on the ac100 ? works fine ;)
[16:33] <prpplague> ogra_ac: sorry i meant in general, not specific to the touch part
[16:34] <ogra_ac> well, its works so so ... given that all power management, sound, button control etc is done in a proprietary tool in userspace i cant make full use of all the device features
[16:35] <prpplague> ogra_ac: have you seen the HP touchsmart units? they are x86, but i am curious what you think about the form factor:  http://www.amazon.com/HP-TouchSmart-tm2-2150us-12-1-Inch-Argento/dp/B00429LI9W
[16:36] <prpplague> ogra_ac: it's one of those designs that folds down into a psuedo-tablet
[16:36] <ogra_ac> my laptop is such a device
[16:36] <ogra_ac> i dont use the touchscreen much
[16:38] <ogra_ac> http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=11149
[16:46] <ogra_ac> prpplague, to be honest i dont use my normal laptop much anymore, when i bought it it felt light any breezy but since i have the ac100 everything feels clunky, i even do tasks on the laptop only remotely from the ac100 atm
[16:47] <prpplague> ogra_ac: interesting
[16:48] <prpplague> never even heard of AVA before
[16:48] <ogra_ac> i guess if you ask macbook air users you will hear something similar from them
[16:49] <ogra_ac> the form factor is really intreaguing
[16:49] <ogra_ac> AVA is just an ODM, the OEM is Clevo for that laptop
[16:49] <ogra_ac> err, other way round ;)
[16:50] <ogra_ac> i bought mine as "nexoc"
[16:50] <prpplague> interesting
[16:51] <ogra_ac> (the ac100 is originally built by compal btw)
[16:51] <prpplague> the prices are certainly good
[16:52] <ogra_ac> yeah, its cheap and everything works out of the box with ubuntu, that were my critical points back then
[16:52] <ogra_ac> and you can upgrade every part of it (CPU, RAM, DIsk etc)
[16:53] <prpplague> hmm, this would be interesting with omap4 - http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=13877
[16:53] <ogra_ac> with laptops i usually buy some average standard and upgrade it after 1.2 years
[16:53] <ogra_ac> 1-2
[16:53] <ogra_ac> heh, toughbook like
[16:53] <prpplague> yea
[16:57] <hrw> prpplague: I would prefer 10-11" with >=1024x600 but needs to have hdmi out
[16:59]  * ogra_ac would prefer a pandaboard in the ac100 case ;)
[17:00] <prpplague> ogra_ac: already done that
[17:00] <ogra_ac> wooot ?!?
[17:00] <ogra_ac> a std panda ?
[17:01] <prpplague> minus the connectors
[17:01] <ogra_ac> wow
[17:01] <ogra_ac> indeed, minus the connectors ;)
[17:05] <prpplague> it was more of a proof of concept thing
[17:06] <ogra_ac> bah, do it in mass production !
[17:06] <prpplague> i thought about making a "retro fit kit"
[17:06] <ogra_ac> :)
[17:32] <prpplague> ogra_ac: http://www.frys.com/product/6280390?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[17:33] <prpplague> ogra_ac: thats the netbook i used
[17:33] <ogra_ac> thats not an ac100 ;)
[17:33] <prpplague> ogra_ac: yea i needed the room inside to shove a panda in
[17:34] <prpplague> ogra: if i did a nice pcb, i could get it down into a 7" netbook
[17:34] <ogra_ac> yeah, thats why i was so suprised you said ac100
[17:34] <ogra_ac> thats like 4x thicker than the ac100
[17:34] <ogra_ac> my gf has the same one sitting next to me
[17:34] <prpplague> ogra_ac: yea, if i were to do a custom pcb, i could get it pretty thin
[17:35] <ogra_ac> yup
[17:36] <prpplague> 7" seems too small to me
[17:36] <prpplague> 8.9" is about right
[17:37] <ogra_ac> board size you mean ?
[17:37] <prpplague> the smallest 1280x800 i've seen is 11.4"
[17:37] <prpplague> display
[17:37] <ogra_ac> ah, the ac100 is 10"
[17:37] <ogra_ac> and the MSI too (at least the one next to me)
[17:38] <prpplague> yea the choices for lvds displays right now are 7" , 8.9", 10.1", 11.6" and 12.1"  for netbooks
[17:38] <ogra_ac> who needs 1280x800 anyway
[17:38] <prpplague> 10.1" is the standard pers se
[17:38] <ogra_ac> as long as you lead the HDMI outside
[17:39] <prpplague> yea that is my thoughts as well
[17:39] <ogra_ac> 1024x600 is just fine for the internal display
[17:39] <prpplague> ogra_ac: but i get alot of end user feedback saying they want 1280x800
[17:39] <ogra_ac> well
[17:40] <prpplague> (note most end users have no clue what they actually need verses what they want)
[17:40] <ogra_ac> i doubt you will actually be able to tell the difference between a 1024x600 downscaled  and 1280x800 full HD movie
[17:40] <prpplague> indeed
[17:41] <ogra_ac> which is the only reason why i wuld want a 1280x600 LCD
[17:41] <ogra_ac> but then i would use a 50" TV via HDMI anyway :P
[17:50] <prpplague> hehe
[18:05] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/664431 needs some NEON testing (again)
[18:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664431 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "QT on armel is built with NEON by default (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:06] <GrueMaster> What kind of testing do you need me to do?  Be aware I only have one pandaboard with me.  I can remote into my dove, but it is limited.
[18:10] <GrueMaster> I can do more thorough testing with the dove next week.
[18:12] <ogra_ac> well, as soon as you can then
[18:13] <ogra_ac> just install a QT app and try to run it (ssh -X will be fine too, you dont need to have a desktop installed)
[18:13] <GrueMaster> Ok, I'll see what I can do.
[18:13] <ogra_ac> and report back that you dont see a SIGILL
[18:13] <ogra_ac> no hurry, we have 10 days
[18:13] <ogra_ac> or so
[18:14] <ogra_ac> i asked some ac100 people too, but we need a test from a supported arch as well i think
[18:16] <GrueMaster> I can test the panda in a little bit.
[18:17] <ogra_ac> panda has neon
[18:17] <ogra_ac> i need a dove test once you are back home
[18:17] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Ok.
[22:08] <ogra_ac> ndec, !
[22:09] <ndec> ogra_ac: hi
[22:09] <ogra_ac> ndec, i'm waiting since a week to give you this link ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031860.html
[22:09] <ogra_ac> somehow i either forgot it or you werent around
[22:09] <ogra_ac> that has info about the linker changes
[22:10] <ndec> ogra_ac: hehe... thx!