[00:11] Is there an easy way to install Java? [00:11] this .rpm file business is not working. i get an error. [00:18] MrAnthrope: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre [00:18] MrAnthrope: If there's anything you need, there's a 99% chance it's in the repositories. [00:20] Uhg thanks. I'm kind of a Terminal Window newb. [00:21] I did a search in the Ubuntu Software thing. [00:21] Nada. [00:22] MrAnthrope: Try Synaptic next time. Software Center is awful. [00:23] Synaptic? [00:23] MrAnthrope: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager [00:25] You need to add the partner repository [00:27] Do I need to restart or something? Chrome still doesn't have Java. [00:29] MrAnthrope: Shouldn't... let me grab something [00:30] And now Chrome is crashing on pages that are supposed to have Java on them (instead of the missing plugin message). [00:30] well. Not crashing. Page unresponsive. [00:30] I'm using the official web page to test. http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1 [00:30] MrAnthrope: Check Chrome's settings, make sure it's loding the plugin [00:34] Hrm. I can't figure out how to manage Chrome plugins. [00:35] MrAnthrope: I don't use Chrome, so I can't really help you [00:37] about:plugins === zkriesse_ is now known as zkriesse [00:37] haha thanks :) [00:39] Now it works. [00:39] I had some other java plugins I was trying to install on Firefox there. [00:39] I guess they were messing it up. [00:39] :) [00:39] enjoy MrAnthrope [00:40] Thanks for all the help guys. [02:10] hi i am kinda new at ubuntu and i was wondering if i could use the firewall in ubuntu to limit connection times to 2min for each connection(server10.04) [02:11] dose anyone know anthing about limiting connection times === MrAnthrope is now known as Geo|Away [04:58] hello? === Geo|Away is now known as MrAnthrope [05:18] !ask | faina [05:18] faina: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [05:21] I'm new to IRC and not sure where to go to gain experience with it? [05:21] like what experience? [05:22] what are the common social conventions? [05:23] faina: Ah irc experience is garnered through constant use of irc itself [05:23] So then the question becomes, where do you find newbie-friendly irc channels? [05:23] Ah here [05:24] We are a team for beginners [05:24] That was my guess. [05:24] We have several sub groups that teach fundamental basics for IRC, wiki/doc work, coding, launchpad, forums even [05:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam === zkriesse_ is now known as zkriesse [05:26] Which sub group is the intro-to-irc? [05:27] That would be the support group [05:27] Which branches down into iirc and others [05:28] As far as I remember [05:28] Which assuming my reading comprehension is up to snuff would be here... [05:28] Ja [05:33] What is the "unaffiliated" hostname? [05:34] That is obtained by going to #freenode and asking for an unaffiliated cloak [05:34] Assuming your registered with bickered [05:34] Argh [05:35] some kind of typo-autocorrect? [05:35] Bickered/nickserv [05:35] the NickServer? [05:35] Yeah [05:35] iPod touch [05:35] What's a good irc client for the iPod? [05:36] Colloquy [05:36] It's what I'm using [05:36] On my pc I use XChat [05:36] faina: Colloqy is pretty nice, Limechat is okay, and IRC9999 is free but really hard to use [05:37] Right now I'm using erc. [05:37] Colloquy FTW!!! [05:38] The screenshot of colloquy is quite pretty [05:38] * JoeMaverickSett say colloquy all the way! :D [05:39] Lol [05:39] PD187: Long time no see my man [05:40] well except the fact that I just rejoined after a connection time out, I've been idling here still :P [05:40] Oh duh [05:40] * zkriesse facepalms [05:40] Ok y'all goin to bed [05:41] Gnight [05:42] Uhg. How come nothing ever works. [05:45] What isn't working? [05:45] Anything. [05:45] I think IRC is working. [05:45] At least, anything I'm told to do in the terminal. [05:46] IMO, learning unix is an awful lot like learning a new language. [05:46] I can't fix it because I have no idea what ./ means in the terminal. [05:46] So it just doesn't work. [05:46] I see the file. [05:46] It says it's not there. [05:47] what are you trying to do? [05:47] Honestly I don't even know :) [05:47] heh [05:47] lol. I'm trying to regain some of my keyboard's functionality I lost when switching from windows. [05:47] ok. [05:47] what's the command you're trying to run? [05:48] ./autgen.sh [05:48] Ah ok. [05:49] I'm trying to make a file or something. To install it. [05:49] the comman'd is probably ./autogen.sh [05:49] i had to install a git command to do git clone git:blahblahblah [05:49] ./command means to run run the command in the current directory [05:49] then I changed to the directory where it ...git got? [05:49] have you used the windows shell? [05:49] or dos? [05:50] I'd tend to say "where it was cloned" [05:50] lol. And then it says to type ./autogen.sh and I did and it says gnome-autogen.sh no such file but if I do ls I can see it in there. [05:50] What is a windows shell? [05:51] Windows also has a command line environment, if you'd used it before I'd have tried explaining some of the differences. [05:51] so your package probably has autogen.sh, is there also a gnome-autogen.sh? [05:51] I don't speak windows CLI but I have used it before. [05:52] are there other auto commands in there? [05:52] what's an auto command? [05:52] try doing ls *auto* [05:52] The file is neon green for some reason. [05:52] ubuntu defaults to marking executable files as green [05:54] geo@CZ-Ubuntu:~/accerciser/macaroon$ ls *auto* autogen.sh [05:54] Just the one, then. [05:55] My guess is that autogen.sh is trying to run gnome-autogen.sh which is missing. [05:55] whats the package? [05:55] No idea. [05:55] ah what was the thing you git cloned? [05:56] oh git.gnome.org/accerciser [05:56] I am following these instructions: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/RegressionTesting#Macaroon [05:58] The functionality I'm trying to get back is recording keystrokes and playing them back. [05:59] Hm... That I don't know how to do. I just try to type fast. [05:59] I'm reading the docs on the package right now. [05:59] Heh. [05:59] omg. [05:59] I think I did something. [05:59] I DID SOMETHING! [05:59] * MrAnthrope does a dance. [05:59] :) [06:00] Yay [06:00] And I got another error. [06:00] xD [06:00] * MrAnthrope dies. [06:00] I think you need to install "gnome-common" [06:00] That's what I did. [06:00] in synaptic. [06:00] Ah ok [06:00] ***Error***: You must have glib-gettext >= 2.2.0 installed [06:02] glib-gettext doesn't come up in synaptic. [06:02] Hmm [06:03] I've found that if I turn on soothing music while I try to do anything in the terminal it keeps me from throwing objects across the room :D [06:03] :) [06:04] Ahh, google. :) [06:04] >_> that's what I was doing... [06:05] it sounds like you're doing the right thing... which is try to build it, discover what random thing you're missing, install it, discover what the next random thing you're missing, repeat until you get to run make [06:05] First hit was "I can't find glib-gettext" [06:06] Why can't everything just be .deb [06:06] it takes some effort to build deb packages. [06:06] Hrm... [06:06] so really new stuff hasn't been packaged yet [06:06] And if this is supposed to be easy heh [06:07] Well, the package building makes the rest of it easy. [06:07] maintining systems from source is a pain. [06:07] Hopefully if the package you're trying ends up being popular, someone will package it [06:08] I will have already installed it x.x [06:08] you'll have installed this version of it. [06:08] lol. [06:09] but by then there'll be the next version. [06:09] So is that what the Software Center is? [06:09] At first I thought it was Synaptic. [06:09] Actually I don't know much about the software center. [06:09] Then I found Synaptic and I was like what... [06:09] I've been trying to learn Ubuntu for like 5 years. This is the most user friendly version yet. [06:09] I installed Guild Wars in like 5 minutes :) [06:10] guild wars works? woah. [06:10] The most recent version of Wine is also spectacular. [06:11] I like that Wine doesn't care where the files came from as long as they're there. [06:11] In windows everything is a pain because even if you have the files you have to run the installer. [06:11] Well assuming you have a real video card. I've tried running WoW on my oldish laptop, and all I can say is that intel video graphics is lacking. [06:11] NVidia GeForce 5600LE. it's about five years old. [06:12] Nice. [06:13] I bet it out-performs a 2 year old integrated intel card [06:13] I had to tweak settings for about 30 minutes to get it running well. And it's still kinda jerky. But the reason I'm using Ubuntu is because my computer is too old. [06:13] ahh ok [06:13] I have to reinstall XP every 3 months. I installed Win7 but I don't meet the min sysreqs. [06:13] ouch. [06:13] I really liked Win7. [06:14] Now type `make' to compile Package !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [06:14] I haven't run it much, but it does seem pretty nice [06:14] good luck! [06:14] yaay [06:15] congratulations [06:16] Couldn't have done it without you! Now 700 more steps... lol [06:16] :) [06:16] I think I'll pause here while I"m ahead lol [06:17] heh [06:17] Also I wonder if you want something like xmacro? [06:17] lol that sounds about right. [06:17] That's what came up with I searched for ubuntu keyboard macro [06:18] The utility you were compiling seemed more like a tool for validating accessibility tools [06:18] I think that is the functionality, yes. [06:19] oh and mouse movements. Nice. [06:20] I've never used it... it just looked like it might be useful. [06:20] now where did it put the file... [06:20] er shortcut. [06:21] man xmacrorec ? [06:22] the other possibility is ubuntu packages put docs in /usr/share/doc/ [06:25] :) [06:35] I can record scripts. But I cannot play them. [06:35] Hrm. [06:36] It looked like there was another command xmacroplay? [06:37] yeah I can't find what my display number is. [06:37] $display in the terminal gives me blank space. [06:37] and when I run xmacroplay test.exe it says could not open display [06:38] unix is case sensitive [06:38] so you'd need to do echo $DISPLAY [06:38] it's probably :0.0 [06:38] :) [06:39] though it should be set by default [06:40] geo@CZ-Ubuntu:~/Desktop$ xmacroplay :0.0 Test.txt Invalid parameter ':0.0'. [06:40] lol [06:40] See. I just can't win! [06:41] Computers are very picky. [06:41] Heh. [06:41] What's funny is I'm considered tech savvy. Really. [06:41] It might be: DISPLAY=:0.0 xmacroplay test.txt [06:41] If I'm tech savvy what are people who use Linux? [06:42] Gods. [06:42] They're Gods. [06:42] Differently experienced [06:42] Unix admins grumble when forced to do things with windows [06:42] partially because its so different [06:42] And not all of their experience translates. [06:43] Something infuriating: XChat does not have r-click copy and you can't use CTRL+C in the Terminal. [06:43] x.x [06:43] ctrl-c is an old-school "abort running your program" [06:43] so they remapped the copy-paste commands for terminal to ctrl+shift+c [06:43] Yeah I learned that when someone told me to run sudo apt-get uninstall plymouth :D [06:43] (and v) [06:43] ahhh! You are the win. [06:44] oh no xchat fixed my purposely misspelled 'teh'. lol [06:44] so i haven't bothered to figure out what plymouth is doing. [06:44] I prefer ctrl+insert & shift+insert [06:44] I uninstalled Ubuntu. [06:44] huh. [06:45] And he kept typing "TYPE CTRL+C!" [06:45] the package description makes me think it's what's handling the graphical boot up screen [06:45] Which wasn't doing anything. [06:45] heh. [06:45] And I was thinking he wanted me to paste what I last typed. [06:45] Which was sudo apt-get uninstall plymouth [06:45] xD [06:45] faina, yes, plymouth handles the boot screen [06:45] yes, I was attempting to disable the splash screen. [06:46] faina, it's relatively new in Ubuntu [06:46] yeah... [06:46] 10.04 comes with an unfortunate purple splash screen and after you install NVidia graphics drivers it turns HORRIBLE AND DYING. [06:46] So I wanted it removed. [06:46] this is where I grumble about grub2 and the new boot loader... [06:46] mostly because its different [06:46] there's a better way to kill it [06:46] I found a program called startup-manager [06:47] That sounds like a more promising way to change startup settings than hunting through the filesystem for where they moved the config file to [06:48] On countless google results they were saying to remove the word 'quiet' from grub.cfg or somesuch. [06:48] I did this to no avail. [06:48] that's how I did it [06:48] I think you then have to run update-grub2 afterward [06:48] Even ones that were like "Ubuntu 10.04 purple screen of doom ugly after installing NVidia graphics drivers" [06:48] Did not work for me. [06:48] I know I managed to do it.... [06:48] Anything I do in the terminal. Fail. [06:48] Not that I remember. [06:48] Epic failsauce. [06:49] As temposs alluded to, they did change the boot loader recently [06:49] you might've been changing a previous version [06:49] My first thought about Ubuntu was "Oh there's a CLI, so when people tell you something there's no possible way to be confused about it or do it incorrectly!" [06:49] WRONGO [06:49] hahahaa [06:50] Well, one thing that did work in the terminal was sudo apt-get uninstall plymouth :D That worked real well! [06:50] huh [06:52] geo@CZ-Ubuntu:~$ xmacroplay :0.0 [06:52] XTest for server ":0.0" is version 2.2. [06:52] And then there's blank space, there's no prompt. [06:52] haha ctrl+c gives me a prompt. [06:52] That sounds like the application is "running", but not doing anything [06:53] Yeah. [06:53] Meh. I don't have any more time to mess with it I have to get to sleep so I can get up and catch my flight tomorrow. [06:53] Ah.. [06:53] I see how to use it [06:53] Hm? [06:53] cat Test.txt | xmacroplay :0.0 [06:53] or maybe not the :0.0 [06:54] the sourceforge page says it reads from standard in. [06:54] if you just run xmacroplay :0.0 [06:54] you could start typing in the macro commands [06:54] http://xmacro.sourceforge.net/ [06:55] Also I think the way you're supposed to use xmacrorec is like this [06:56] xmacrorec > macro.txt [06:56] which'd save all the commands into the macro.txt file [06:57] man xmacrorec [06:57] ´should give information how to use it [06:58] no. no manual. [06:59] :D [06:59] asdf [07:00] MrAnthrope: Keyboard works (on the left at least) :p [07:00] :) [07:00] hah [07:01] http://pastebin.com/yUgvxxxf [07:01] I can get it to record. [07:03] http://pastebin.com/15FAfBnY [07:05] have you gotten playback to work? [07:05] No. [07:06] my hunch would be "xmacroplay < test.txt" [07:07] brings up options. [07:08] what are the options? [07:08] -d DELAY delay in ms for events sent to remote display. Default 10ms [07:08] -s FACTOR scalefactor for coordinates [07:08] -v to show version -h to show this help file [07:09] huh... [07:09] its common for programs to spit out their options if they didn't get what they want. [07:09] which suggests it wants you to set -s [07:10] not that I have any idea what the scalefactor should be [07:10] well ok... I might guess "1" [07:10] since you're recording and playing back on the same thing [07:11] hi i am kinda new at ubuntu and i was wondering if i could use the firewall in ubuntu to limit connection times to 2min for each connection(server10.04) [07:13] limiting connections to only lasting 2 minutes? or only N connections per minute? [07:14] Meh. I'll figure it out another day. [07:15] Ok. Good luck. [07:15] Thanks so much for your help faina :) [07:16] I was almost at the throwing-things point. [07:17] I had thought for the longest time Linux users were just born knowing Linux. I've never met someone else who is learning. [07:17] So. I like this channel >:) [07:17] Heh... I've been using linux for a long long time. [07:17] I know a few people who run ubuntu and when I ask them questions they're just like "... I don't know what that means." [07:18] and I'm like "HOW DO YOU RUN LINUX?!" [07:18] And then I throw them across the room... [07:18] heh [07:18] I have a friend who just runs windows in a virtual machine on top of ubuntu. [07:19] :) At work we were trying Ubuntu in VMWare on OS X [07:19] haha. [07:19] though I missed apt-get too much. [07:19] the best tool for handing opensource software on the mac that I've found is macports [07:19] but it likes to recompile everything from source every time you upgrade anything [07:19] You speak mac too? You're an OS genius. [07:20] and compiling X or Qt takes forever. [07:20] :) [07:20] I tried mac for about .05 seconds. And threw up. [07:20] I liked it... [07:20] lol [07:20] But it seems like Apple is becoming increasingly closed [07:20] Mac and Linux are the opposite ends of the Unix spectrum I feel... [07:21] and Ubuntu managed to ship versions where critical laptop features like suspend/resume and reconnect to your wireless worked pretty reliably [07:21] A couple of years ago linux laptop suspend/resume was a risky proposition. [07:22] Now my main laptop bug is with dual-monitor support [07:22] Though its random enough that I haven't figured out how to file a bug report [07:23] heh. [07:23] I'd like to get a macbook and install Ubuntu on it. [07:23] Macbooks are pretty nice... [07:24] There's not many laptop manufacturers that are thinking about aesthetics [07:24] I've never had a laptop but if I did I think I would go with apple. [07:24] apple has good hardware. [07:24] yeah [07:24] Historically thinkpads were nice, I'm not sure how they current versions are. [07:24] It's their closed-minded closed-source software that sucks. [07:24] yeah [07:26] There's one application that does a certain thing. And if you need to do that thing you have to use that application and if you don't like that application then that's too bad because it's the only application that does that thing and you can't change any settings on that application to make it work how you want it to work. you are the one that has to compromise. To an application. [07:26] it's ridiculous. I hate macs can you tell? :) [07:26] heh... [07:26] Though to play devils advocate... [07:27] Have you looked at the current kde desktop? [07:27] The last time I tried KDE it ended up looking really messy by being extremely cluttered with options. [07:28] Last time I tried to intall KDE (on Ubuntu 9.04) the only thing I got was a green screen. I had no menu bars or icons or desktop functionality. I had a mouse but it wouldn't do anything besides move around. I had to reinstall Ubuntu. [07:28] Ah ok [07:28] I switched over to gnome because it'd gotten too ugly. [07:28] I don't even fully understand why there is something besides gnome. [07:28] politics [07:29] heh. [07:29] I spent 3 hours last night changing how gnome looks. [07:30] I think Qt was first, but some hackers hated it because it was c++ and wasn't "free" [07:36] If I have an icon file that is 128x128 it will resize right? [07:36] I don't need to make different files for 24x24, 16x16 et c. right? [07:37] uh... I don't know... I think so [07:37] Though I think SVG icon files are better [07:37] because the resize nicer [07:39] ah [07:42] Maybe I should just stay up until my flight.... sleeping is dumb. [07:43] :) [07:44] I say that sometimes [07:45] is it possible to limit connection time to 2 min with the firewall?(Server10.04) [07:46] I don't have anything useful to say to you Paz101, but what can you do in 2 minutes? [07:46] we have DVR people connect to and we want to limit time people connct to the, [07:46] dvr [07:47] so it doesnt use to much of our downloads [07:47] DVR. Digital Video Recording? So you want to limit people to only watching 2 minutes of content on your server at a time? [07:47] yes [07:47] What's to stop them from reconnecting? [07:47] Immediately. [07:48] limiting the connection like that is more likely to be done at the application level [07:48] nothing i dont care if they do its so they dont leave it downloading [07:48] you might also want to research bandwidth throttling [07:48] I agree with faina [07:48] you cant do it on the dvr [07:49] I'd like to limit my roommate's bandwidth... [07:49] i know cisco routers can do it, i thought maybe the firewall on ubuntu migh have something [07:49] saving me like $500+ [07:50] Heh. [07:50] there's probably a reasonable solution [07:50] I just have no experience with managing firewalls [07:51] is there somewhere what may know more on this??? [07:52] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=338 [07:52] kk thnks [07:52] ask your question there, and you will get more eyes looking [07:53] it's only a limited number of people that come here at any one time [07:53] since your forum post will be more constantly visible, you have a better chance of having the question answered [07:53] If you really know what you're doing you could also try #Ubuntu. [07:53] That place isn't newbie friendly, though. [07:54]