[06:37] <kklimonda> good morning
[07:53] <didrocks> good morning
[08:03] <pitti> Good morning
[08:03] <didrocks> hey pitti, how was your week-end?
[08:03] <pitti> pretty quiet, and relaxing
[08:04] <pitti> I started to watch Big Bang Theory
[08:04] <pitti> awexome!
[08:05] <didrocks> pitti: hehe, yes it is!
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: Julie and I watched all the episods of the 3 seasons in less than 2 weeks!
[08:06] <pitti> heh
[08:06] <pitti> I'm at 1-16 now
[08:06] <pitti> didrocks: how was your's?
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: was nice, thanks. At least a week-end with some sun. So, we walk a little in Annecy (before the snow which should come today or tomorrow)
[08:08] <pitti> so I've heard -- finally winter
[08:09] <didrocks> yeah :)
[08:09] <kklimonda> seb is working today?
[08:12] <didrocks> kklimonda: I think so, he'll be thee in some minutes I guess
[08:14] <kklimonda> thanks :)
[08:55] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:55] <kklimonda> o/ rodrigo_
[08:56] <rodrigo_> hi kklimonda
[09:04] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, since you've merged the branch, can you remove it please (git push :wip/query-response)
[09:04] <rodrigo_> git push origin :wip/query-response, sorry
[09:05] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: I'll use it to finish _execute_query part
[09:18] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, hey, I still can't install libgnome-media-dev in natty (with gnome3-builds PPA)
[09:25] <Zdra> seb128, FYI libgcr is missing a dep on libgck for the gnome-keyring package in gnome3-build
[09:26] <Zdra> seb128, hm, the binary has the dep, but not the -dev package
[09:28] <Zdra> also, it is unfortunate that gnome-keyring-3 is not // installable with version2
[09:28] <kklimonda> seb128: I've prepared an update for glibmm to 2.27.3 (requested a merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/glibmm2.4/packaging/+merge/41428) and also fixed the issues with atkmm1.6 you had and updated it to 2.22.1 which ships the missing license file.
[09:28] <Zdra> that makes all apps linked on the -2 fail
[09:33] <Zdra> seb128, also, I can't start the daemon:
[09:33] <Zdra> $ gnome-keyring-daemon -s
[09:33] <Zdra> ** Message: couldn't connect to control socket at: /tmp/keyring-Gtstrz/control: Connexion refusée
[09:34] <Zdra> any idea what's going on?
[09:37] <seb128> Zdra, hey
[09:37] <seb128> Zdra, you should ask rodrigo when he joins
[09:37] <seb128> he worked on gnome-keyring3
[09:37] <seb128> kklimonda, hey
[09:37] <seb128> kklimonda, ok great, I will sponsor that today
[09:38] <seb128> Zdra, theorically the libraries should be installable at the same time and you need only 1 gnome-keyring service runnin
[09:38] <seb128> you might need to restart your session with the new one though
[09:38] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ca va?
[09:39] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:39] <seb128> oui, et toi ?
[09:39] <Zdra> seb128, I have no keyring service running :(
[09:40] <Zdra> because the one from new package does not start
[09:40] <Zdra> seb128, you uploaded that package in ppa, so I though you were the one to ask... I'll ping rodrigo then :)
[09:41] <Zdra> (Hm, no, just can't ready ppa page, you did gnome-desktop3, not keyring)
[09:41] <Zdra> sorry :)
[09:41] <seb128> no worry ;-)
[09:41] <seb128> I've not tried or reviewed gnome-keyring3 yet
[09:41] <seb128> so I can't really comment
[09:43] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey, do we have a clutter policy?  Any opposition to updating to the latest?
[09:43] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[09:43] <seb128> robert_ancell, : clutter policy?
[09:44] <seb128> "try to stay close to debian"?
[09:44] <robert_ancell> seb128, I guess I'm asking why we're running an older version, perhaps due to some dx stuff?
[09:45] <seb128> I think just because nobody updated it yet
[09:45] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hey, I would say we can even be in sync with debian and drop our patch if they were for unity (all are posted upstream anyway)
[09:45] <seb128> robert_ancell, is the new unity world I don't think dx uses clutter
[09:45] <seb128> is -> in
[09:46] <robert_ancell> didrocks, debian is 1.2, but the stable branch is 1.4
[09:46] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, that's what I figured
[09:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, debian is frozen for their next stable
[09:46] <seb128> some updates go to experimental but they mostly lag behind
[09:47] <robert_ancell> actually, you might be able to shine some light on this, why do we have packages like clutter-1.0 and gtk2.0 that go outside 1.0.x and 2.0.x?  Why aren't they called clutter-1 and gtk2 or we have gtk2.0 and gtk2.2?
[09:49] <seb128> robert_ancell, because gtk 2.0 and 2.2 turned to be a stable serie
[09:49] <seb128> seems like historical reason at the time where the gtk2 was packaged
[09:49] <seb128> gtk2 and gtk3 would have worked the same
[09:50] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw do you plan to land some GNOME3 components in natty?
[09:50] <seb128> robert_ancell, seems the things you work on at the lest likely to depend on other component
[09:50] <seb128> games, calculator, ... ;-)
[09:51] <robert_ancell> I'm packaging the new games now, that's why I have to update clutter
[09:51] <robert_ancell> yeah sure, I'll push gcalctool into natty
[09:52] <seb128> libclutter-1.0-0: /usr/lib/libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0
[09:52] <seb128> robert_ancell, seems the clutter version just follows the upstream naming
[09:54] <robert_ancell> seb128, right
[09:58] <pitti> seb128: ah, I remember why I didn't upload gdu 2.32
[09:58] <pitti> seb128: it doesn't add something significant, but it removes all the docs
[09:58] <pitti> I already attempted it a while ago, and it's in Debian's git
[09:58] <seb128> in that a bug or wanted?
[09:59] <pitti> it was explicitly disabled, since it causes some trouble apparently
[09:59] <pitti> i. e. dropping docs wasn't an unintended side effect
[09:59] <pitti> it's not really "wanted" as such, of course
[10:03] <seb128> pitti, was sort of issue do they have? I guess at some point we will need to update anyway
[10:03] <pitti> I don't know
[10:03] <pitti> need to ask David, but he's asleep right now
[10:03] <seb128> no hurry
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, did we backport http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-disk-utility/commit/?id=e3ae27c89d66c683b4a37d40df290d0a0cd0aed1?
[10:05] <pitti> I don't think so
[10:05] <seb128> I think it's the only commit interesting in 2.32
[10:05] <seb128> well out of tons of translation  updates and some gtk cleaning
[10:05] <pitti> seb128: I keep this on my todo list
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:05] <pitti> I'll eventually upload 32 to natty
[10:05] <pitti> but it's in no hurry I think
[10:06] <seb128> no it's not, I was just wondering if there was a reason to stay behind when the update seems only that crash fix, translation updates and build cleanly with recent gtk versions
[10:06] <seb128> we are still on the "clean merges and catch up with versions"
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:19] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you? had a nice weekend?
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti - yeah, i'm good thanks. we had a lot of family and friends around on saturday for my daughters birthday, so it was pretty hectic
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> did you have a good weekend?
[10:20] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[10:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, pretty calm; my wife needs to learn for her exams, so I spent it between cleaning the flat, visiting my grandma, meeting some friends, and watching Big Bang Theory :)
[10:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks
[10:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it seems you had a nice we ;-)
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what exams does your wife need to sit?
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, it wasn't too bad. had a lot of cleaning up to do on sunday though
[10:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: final exams for her geoinformation/surveying studies
[10:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: tomorrow is Photogrammetry and Laser Scanning
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> cool! it sounds intense ;)
[10:27] <didrocks> 9hey chrisccoulson! Nice week-end for you it seems :)
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks - yeah, pretty busy though
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> how about you?
[10:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: nice and sunny. Didn't see a real sunny day for a long time before (maybe Florida was the last time? :))
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, that's the same here too!
[10:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - do you know what we are doing with yelp this cycle? are we going to stick with the current (gecko-based) version, or take the new version instead?
[10:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not sure yet
[10:31] <seb128> but seems we lean toward getting the new one
[10:31] <seb128> it's in GNOME3 ppa
[10:32] <seb128> robert_ancell is working on it
[10:32] <seb128> it need webkit gtk3 though
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - ah, ok. i wasn't sure whether to spend time porting the current version to gecko 2.0 or not (i want to get everything in main ported this week really)
[10:32] <seb128> which is fine out of the fact that I'm not sure pitti will like 2 webkit on the CD
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's extreme ;)
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> what else uses webkit?
[10:33] <pitti> seb128: well, it's not about me personally -- we are currently 30 MB oversized, and everything we add needs to be compensated
[10:33] <pitti> so, two webkits really sound like a bad idea indeed
[10:34] <seb128> pitti, it was just a way to point the CD space consideration
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> well, it's probably either going to be 2 webkits, or 1 webkit + 1 gecko
[10:34] <didrocks> (and banshee tomorrow in the seed? + unity on wednesday… urgh…)
[10:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, s-c I guess
[10:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, empathy as well
[10:35] <seb128> shotwell
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. that's quite a few things then
[10:35] <seb128> rhythmbox
[10:35] <seb128> yes...
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> do we know how much space xulrunner takes on the CD compared to webkit?
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> pitti^^
[10:36] <seb128> not sure if we can get to use gtk2 rather than gtk3 for the update
[10:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, isn't xul need by couchdb?
[10:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, chrisccoulson, why do we need two webkits?
[10:36] <seb128> robert_ancell, gtk2 and gtk3?
[10:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, but what uses -gtk2 on the CD?
[10:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, software-center, rhythmbox, empathy
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - couchdb is only using spidermonkey. if we used the new yelp, then i'd probably spend some time to split the packaging so we only pull in the bits we need
[10:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, shotwell
[10:37] <rodrigo_> hello?
[10:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[10:37] <rodrigo_> ok, back online it seems!!
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> hi robert_ancell
[10:37] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[10:37] <robert_ancell> seb128, damn
[10:37] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[10:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: xulrunner: 10 MB, libwebkit: ~ 6 MB
[10:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: i. e. if we can actually drop xulrunner with the new webkit, it's a net win
[10:38] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, hey
[10:38] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, sorry, not sure if you told me something, my connection dropped
[10:38] <seb128> robert_ancell, do you know if we could build using gtk2 instead of gtk3?
[10:38] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, robert_ancell
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - nice. so, it we make an assumption that spidermonkey is around ~2.5MB of that 10MB, then we get a small win
[10:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, Zdra has comments on the gnome-keyring update
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> (based on the fact we'd need to keep spidermonkey)
[10:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, some missing depends and the daemon not running
[10:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[10:39] <rodrigo_> Zdra, ping
[10:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: how does yelp+webkit hold up wrt. a11y?
[10:39] <robert_ancell> seb128, I guess it's possible.  It would be a non-trivial patch though
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm not too sure, that's partly why i asked the original question
[10:39] <Zdra> rodrigo_, pong
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, you have been Cc-ed onthose emails
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> i wasn't sure if a11y was still a blocker for going to the new version
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, I started a discussion specifically about that last week
[10:40] <Zdra> rodrigo_, I'm using your gnome-keyring 3 package from gnome3-build package
[10:40] <Zdra> my observations:
[10:40] <Zdra> 1) libgcr-dev miss a dep on libgck-dev
[10:40] <pitti> seb128: right, and there wasn't an obvious "this is ok now" conclusion there
[10:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: we pretty much decided that better having an useful version with limited a11y than a slow and useless version
[10:40] <pitti> ok, good to know
[10:40] <rodrigo_> Zdra, oh, ok
[10:41] <seb128> ups, "is better"
[10:41] <Zdra> 2) gnome-keyring-daemon does not start: $ gnome-keyring-daemon -s
[10:41] <Zdra> ** Message: couldn't connect to control socket at: /tmp/keyring-s6Zqfv/control: Connection refused
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'd prefer that too, especially seeing as i'm pretty much on my own with getting the current version working with the latest gecko
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> i guess nobody else is going to try and make that work
[10:41] <seb128> the gecko version is slow and the documentation format is suboptimal
[10:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, let's not spend efforts with that then
[10:41] <Zdra> 3) all apps linked on libgcr does not start anymore, because it is not // installed. For example: $ seahorse
[10:41] <Zdra> seahorse: error while loading shared libraries: libgcr.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:42] <seb128> let's rather get the new version in using gtk3 and see later on what to do if we need space
[10:42] <robert_ancell> sure
[10:42] <Zdra> rodrigo_, that's it :)
[10:42] <seb128> Zdra, rodrigo_: that seems a real issue in the way g-k has been packaged
[10:42] <rodrigo_> Zdra, hmm, is the daemon already running when you start it again? it is running ok here
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll leave yelp off my list of things to do then, and add splitting the xulunner package to my list of things to do instead
[10:42] <seb128> why did libgcr0 go away?
[10:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, great
[10:42] <Zdra> rodrigo_, ps aux | grep keyring --> that returns nothing
[10:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, it didn't go away
[10:43] <rodrigo_> it's renamed though
[10:43] <rodrigo_> it's not libgcr-3
[10:43] <rodrigo_> I guess we should rename the package also
[10:44] <Zdra> shouldn't it be libgcr3 ?
[10:44] <Zdra> yeah, or  -3
[10:45] <Zdra> oh, .so file indeed has that -3, so it really seems to only be a matter of renaming the package to get it in // of version2
[10:45] <rodrigo_> libgcr3 implies that 3's the .so version of the lib, so -3 sounds better, right?
[10:45] <seb128> rodrigo_, but why " seahorse: error while loading shared libraries: libgcr.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[10:45] <rodrigo_> although the .so version is the same
[10:45] <seb128> rodrigo_, that's a packaging screwing
[10:46] <rodrigo_> seb128, it's called now libgcr-3.so*
[10:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, libgcr0 whould still be on disk
[10:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, you can't do that
[10:46] <rodrigo_> seb128, that's the lib name from upstream
[10:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, you should have libgcr0 and libgcr3 on disk
[10:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, well the old binary should be installed with the old name
[10:46] <seb128> as long as thing depends on it
[10:46] <rodrigo_> yeah, needs renaming to libgcr0-3 or libgcr3
[10:46] <rodrigo_> which one?
[10:47] <seb128> libgcr-3-0
[10:47] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:47] <seb128> what is the .so name?
[10:47] <seb128> libgcr-3.so.0
[10:47] <seb128> ?
[10:47] <rodrigo_> .0
[10:47] <rodrigo_> yes
[10:47] <seb128> ok
[10:47] <seb128> so libgcr-3-0
[10:48] <seb128> libgcr-3-0 for the binary
[10:48] <seb128> but shouldn't g-k build both versions?
[10:48] <seb128> or do you have a new source?
[10:48] <seb128> robert_ancell, chrisccoulson, pitti: some work that could bring space..
[10:48] <rodrigo_> it's a new source
[10:48] <seb128> convert gnome-system-monitor from gtkmm to vala or other
[10:49] <seb128> it's the only thing keeping gtkmm on the CD
[10:49] <pitti> oh, interesting
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> is anybody working on gnome-system-monitor upstream?
[10:49] <seb128> no
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> ah, i didn't think so
[10:49] <seb128> or find another software in universe to replace it
[10:50] <seb128> g-s-m is not great in any case
[10:52] <smspillaz> (on the topic of glibmm, here's the test code for compiz http://git.compiz.org/~dbo/compiz-with-glib-mainloop/log/?h=glibmm-experimental)
[10:53] <seb128> ok, glibmm and pangomm are small
[10:53] <seb128> the main win would be gtkmm
[10:53] <seb128> I guess we can keep glibmm
[10:53] <seb128> smspillaz, ^
[10:53] <robert_ancell> later all
[10:54] <rodrigo_> later robert_ancell
[10:54] <seb128> robert_ancell, bye
[10:54] <smspillaz> seb128: cool
[10:55] <kklimonda> 10:05     kklimonda | rodrigo_: I'll use it (the branch) to finish _execute_query part of the merge - i.e. add _execute_query and port all other code to use it
[10:55] <smspillaz> later
[10:56] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, ah, ok
[10:56] <seb128> smspillaz, bye
[10:56] <seb128> pitti, do you want to take a wi on your cd spec about figuring a way to replace g-s-m or port it to non gtkmm rather?
[10:56] <pitti> seb128: sounds fine
[10:57] <seb128> ok, great
[10:57]  * pitti changes
[10:57] <pitti> RAOF: do you plan to upload the dynamically linked mesa soon? that should help a lot with the current 30 MB oversizedness
[10:58] <pitti> I did a few uploads to reduce changelogs, but they should only gain some 1.5 MB
[10:59] <seb128> do we have langpacks to drop for a1 if needed?
[11:00] <pitti> some
[11:05] <Zdra> rodrigo_, so about my issue with starting gnome-keyring-daemon, any idea?
[11:05] <Zdra> I see in /tmp a looot of dir like keyring-XXXX
[11:05] <rodrigo_> Zdra, only thing that I can think of is some leftover file from a previous keyring daemon, that confuses it
[11:06] <rodrigo_> Zdra, you have tried it with a clean /tmp?
[11:06] <Zdra> yep tried with a clean keyring
[11:06] <rodrigo_> hmm, then that can't be
[11:07] <Zdra> rodrigo_, note that with clean /tmp the error is slightly different:
[11:07] <Zdra> $ gnome-keyring-daemon -s
[11:07] <Zdra> ** Message: couldn't access conrol socket: /tmp/keyring-s6Zqfv/control: No such file or directory
[11:07] <Zdra> wondering who is supposed to create that file
[11:07] <rodrigo_> and without the clean /tmp, what message is it?
[11:07] <rodrigo_> I think it's the daemon itself, let me check
[11:07] <bigon> Zdra: did you check the permission of /tmp ?
[11:07] <bigon> ls -ald /tmp
[11:07] <Zdra>  ** Message: couldn't connect to control socket at: /tmp/keyring-s6Zqfv/control: Connection refused
[11:08] <Zdra> rodrigo_, ^
[11:08] <rodrigo_> oh, ok
[11:08] <Zdra> bigon, of course my /tmp is writable
[11:08] <Zdra> just that "something" created /tmp/keyring-s6Zqfv/control before and that file isn't readable for keyring-daemon
[11:09] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: do you remember the slow launchpad bug we discussed extensively last March? still happens with firefox 3 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/223238
[11:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 223238 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Extremely slow Ajax/Javascript/CSS performance in Firefox 3 using non-free nvidia-glx-new (affects: 20) (dups: 4) (heat: 147)" [Undecided,New]
[11:09] <didrocks> (it's happening in both vesa and nvidia driver)
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i remember that. i don't remember what the outcome of the discussion was though
[11:11] <rodrigo_> Zdra, http://mandriva.598463.n5.nabble.com/Bug-61599-gnome-keyring-NEW-keyring-does-not-start-td3256029.html
[11:12] <rodrigo_> Zdra, it suggest to use glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas
[11:12] <rodrigo_> Zdra, can you try?
[11:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you install the schemas?
[11:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: well, launchpad guy tells it's a Firefox bug not handling properly transparency and duplicated icons (looks at the duplicate)
[11:13] <seb128> it could be that you didn't update the binary to ship it?
[11:13] <rodrigo_> maybe
[11:13] <rodrigo_> but it's working for me, so not sure
[11:13] <rodrigo_> checking
[11:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can you try to push that upstream? I see a lot of duplicate googling for "launchpad slow firefox nvidia" which aren't related to download page time but rather rendering
[11:14] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it affects some other websites as well
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i'll have a look at that in a bit
[11:14] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: thanks :)
[11:14] <rodrigo_> oh, right, it's working for me because I have the old version, the version in the PPA doesn't show up on the updates!!
[11:15] <rodrigo_> right, seems it's missing the schemas indeed
[11:16] <rodrigo_> Zdra, fixing and building locally to fully test it, will upload as soon as it works
[11:16] <Zdra> rodrigo_, let me restart my session and see if the trick worked :)
[11:16] <rodrigo_> Zdra, it won't I think, we don't have the schemas in the g-k package
[11:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, rename the library while you are at it
[11:17] <seb128> Zdra, you will want to reinstall the official libgcr0
[11:17] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, fixing all the issues Zdra raised
[11:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, I will review your ppa uploads today
[11:17] <seb128> I started on gnome-media the other day
[11:17] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, coolk
[11:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, they're all on the ubuntugtk3 branches
[11:18] <seb128> I think some reviews will be useful
[11:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok
[11:18] <Zdra> rodrigo_, seb128: ok
[11:19]  * rodrigo_ build packages
[11:19] <Zdra> will try again when new pacakge is in ppa
[11:19] <Zdra> thanks :D
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Natty/Firefox4/XULRunner20Transition is a nice list of things to work through
[12:02] <rodrigo_> Zdra, ok, seems to work, you want to build it locally to make sure or just wait for it to be in the PPA?
[12:03] <Zdra> rodrigo_, I don't really have much time atm, so I'll be lazy and wait for ppa :)
[12:03] <rodrigo_> Zdra, ok, uploading then
[12:03] <Zdra> rodrigo_, thanks :)
[12:12] <didrocks> session restat, brb
[12:12] <didrocks> restart*
[12:20] <didrocks> bah, firefox + launchpad is just unusable here…
[12:21]  * didrocks switches back to chromium
[12:25] <nisshh> didrocks, hey, do you know if FF 4.0 is going to land in natty? or will old 3.6 be used?
[12:25] <didrocks> nisshh: FF 4beta7 is already in natty
[12:25] <nisshh> oh coolies
[12:32] <seb128> didrocks, get a decent video card ;-)
[12:32] <didrocks> seb128: well, nvidia is nice TBH, I didn't get any issue for compiz/mutter unlike other cards :p
[12:33] <seb128> I don't have any issue with compiz on intel
[12:33] <didrocks> just that a launchpad page makes 4-6 seconds to refresh…
[12:33] <seb128> "just"
[12:33] <nisshh> heh, i dont want to try compiz unity on my intel IGP :)
[12:33] <didrocks> seb128: well, working well with chromium
[12:33] <nisshh> seb128, really?
[12:33] <seb128> nisshh, yes, why not?
[12:34] <seb128> I've been using compiz on intel for like 5 years
[12:34] <nisshh> seb128, my intel graphics are from 2003 :)
[12:34] <seb128> on different cards, without any issue
[12:34] <nisshh> oh, compiz is not the issue
[12:34] <nisshh> compiz + unity might be :)
[12:34] <seb128> oh right, I didn't try that yet
[12:34] <nisshh> the mutter version of compiz ran rather slow on my machine
[12:34] <nisshh> yeah
[12:42] <seb128> didrocks, bug #580295 doesn't seem to be a compiz bug
[12:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 580295 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Alt-F2 not working (affects: 44) (dups: 2) (heat: 254)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580295
[12:42] <seb128> didrocks, you just need to have a running software handling the keybinding
[12:43] <didrocks> seb128: that's what I'm telling in my latest comment, where did you see I'm telling it's a compiz bug?
[12:43] <didrocks> seb128: we can tell to compiz "run that on alt+F2"
[12:43] <seb128> didrocks, by reading sam's comment ;-)
[12:43] <didrocks> so, not mine :)
[12:43] <seb128> I just didn't understand your reply
[12:44] <didrocks> just telling that the workaround sam mentionned works today as there is gnome-panel running, but it won't work when gnome-panel won't be there anymore
[12:44] <seb128> didrocks, isn't that just a matter to have unity handle the keybinding the way gnome-panel is doing it?
[12:44] <seb128> didrocks, you want a new application only for that?
[12:44] <didrocks> no, it will be compiz which will handle the shortcut, we just have to teach it to not rely only on gnome-panel
[12:45] <seb128> didrocks, wouldn't it make sense to have it in unity?
[12:45] <didrocks> seb128: that was what we discussed at UDS
[12:45] <didrocks> seb128: not part of unity, apparently
[12:45] <didrocks> not sure why, ask mr Patel :)
[12:45] <seb128> didrocks, such bugs would benefit from reference to specs or uds notes
[12:45] <seb128> reference like url
[12:46] <didrocks> seb128: sure, but the note wasn't taken IIRC
[12:46] <rodrigo_> hmm, is LP down
[12:46] <rodrigo_> ?
[12:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, works here
[12:46] <didrocks> not sure we should discuss that extensively, just do the work :)
[12:46] <seb128> rodrigo_, seems it's not your day for internet ;-)
[12:46] <rodrigo_> no :(
[12:46] <seb128> didrocks, right, I'm just concerned about adding a new binary or source for such a small thing
[12:47] <seb128> seems work over what it's worth
[12:47] <didrocks> seb128: well, the binary can be added to unity package…
[12:47] <seb128> or rather seems it would be easier to teach the unity-panel to do it
[12:48] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I will let njpatel handle that and comment when it's done if I've issue they way it's done ;-)
[12:48] <didrocks> seb128: right :)
[12:48] <njpatel> what's up
[12:48] <njpatel> run dialog?
[12:48] <seb128> njpatel, just wondering about the run dialog being "dedicated app will be needed."
[12:49] <njpatel> if we use the gnome-panel one
[12:49] <njpatel> I might just rip the code out
[12:49] <njpatel> the backing code, and stick and unity front-end on it
[12:49] <njpatel> should be do-able, just haven't had the time
[12:49] <seb128> njpatel, so it will be in unity source right?
[12:49] <seb128> njpatel, not a new source?
[12:50] <njpatel> yeah, i think that's what we'll do. didrocks and I spoke about ripping out the gnome-panel one into it's own source, but I think we can do better than that through unity itself
[12:50] <seb128> njpatel, ok great, I just wanted to mention that I think it's not worth the work of being a different source
[12:50] <didrocks> well, there are bigger fish now than that issue TBH :)
[12:50] <njpatel> yep
[12:51] <seb128> didrocks, right, doesn't prevent to comment on bugs though
[12:51] <Zdra> rodrigo_, Unpacking libgcr-3-0 (from .../libgcr-3-0_2.92.92.is.2.91.2-0ubuntu2~build1_amd64.deb) ...
[12:51] <Zdra> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgcr-3-0_2.92.92.is.2.91.2-0ubuntu2~build1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[12:51] <Zdra>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gcr-3/ui/gcr-unlock-options-widget.ui', which is also in package libgcr0 2.92.92.is.2.91.2-0ubuntu1
[12:51] <seb128> didrocks, but anyway I was just wondering about that, we discussed it enough and I had my reply so let's move on
[12:52] <didrocks> agreed :)
[12:52] <seb128> Zdra, I told you that you needed to reinstall the libgcr0 for ubuntu
[12:52] <seb128> or "from ubuntu" rather
[12:52] <rodrigo_> Zdra, yes, you have the previous wrong libgcr0, install the official one
[12:52] <seb128> Zdra, the official one
[12:52] <rodrigo_> Zdra, 2.92.92.is.2.31.x...
[12:52] <seb128> Zdra, sudo apt-get install libgrc0/natty
[12:52] <seb128> or maverick if you use that version
[13:03] <Zdra> rodrigo_, yay all working fine \o/
[13:03] <rodrigo_> Zdra, cool
[13:03] <Zdra> thanks
[13:03] <rodrigo_> I see an issue here though with bzr ssh auth, not sure if related
[13:03] <rodrigo_> that doesn't use the keyring at all, right?
[13:04] <Zdra> rodrigo_, I don't use bzr
[13:04] <rodrigo_> Zdra, ok, no problem for you then :)
[13:04] <Zdra> but git works fine with ssh repositories, it's not even asking for the key password
[13:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, well the ssh agent is in g-k
[13:07] <rodrigo_> right, so that's been broken then
[13:07]  * rodrigo_ investigates
[13:14] <seb128> brb
[13:49] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:50] <mvo> hey cyphermox! good morning
[13:50] <mvo> cyphermox: had a good weekend ? :)
[13:51] <cyphermox> hey mvo. yup. finished up half-life 2 :)
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've just pushed a change to desktop-file-utils. would you mind sponsoring that?
[13:53] <ari-tczew> I also need sponsoring, for gnome-settings-daemon in main
[13:53] <ari-tczew> :)
[13:54] <mvo> cyphermox: haha, nice!
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - people might think there is a conspiracy with the changelog entry though ;)
[13:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[13:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there is no hurry for that to be uploaded right?
[13:57] <seb128> since firefox is the only one providing those mimetype so far
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no, that can be uploaded whenever really. there's no hurry for that
[13:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I wanted to review handlers for other applications today
[13:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, I will upload when I've reviewed other handlers then
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:58] <seb128> you're welcome
[14:00] <seb128> mterry, hey
[14:04] <seb128> pedro_, ola
[14:05] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[14:06] <seb128> mterry, how are you?
[14:06] <seb128> mterry, had a nice we? ;-)
[14:06] <pitti> hey mterry
[14:06] <didrocks> hey cyphermox, mterry
[14:06] <mterry> seb128, yeah, it was good.  Saw the new Harry Potter  :)
[14:06] <mterry> pitti, didrocks: hello!
[14:07] <pitti> seb128: Jani raised a good point: gparted uses gtkmm, so dropping g-s-monitor won't  help CD space wise
[14:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: did you ping upstream again to review your evolution patch? did you get feedback?
[14:07] <pedro_> hello seb128
[14:07] <pitti> cyphermox: hello, how are you? had a good weekend?
[14:08] <pitti> cyphermox: do you plan to merge fontconfig? (not urgent, just want to know if "at all")
[14:08] <didrocks> hey pedro_
[14:08] <pedro_> salut didrocks
[14:09] <seb128> pitti, oh right, I ran the rdepends on an installed system not on the livecd
[14:09] <mvo> hey mterry
[14:09] <seb128> mterry, nice, how was it? ;-)
[14:09] <mterry> hi
[14:10] <mterry> seb128, was a very good rendition of the (first half of) the book.  So if you liked the books, you'd like the movie.
[14:10] <seb128> great
[14:11] <seb128> pedro_, bug #678201 you might want to upstream if you get the issue
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 678201 in librsvg (Ubuntu) "nautlius lockup with jpg-named svgs referring to svgs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678201
[14:11] <seb128> mterry, do you have enough tasks to keep busy? ;-)
[14:12] <pedro_> seb128, ok, looking at it
[14:12]  * pedro_ going crazy with mago test cases
[14:13] <seb128> pedro_, oh, how is mago working for you?
[14:14] <cyphermox> pitti, I hadn't planned about it, but it's a good point, needs to be done (I can get to it a little later today, but I will need sponsoring)
[14:14] <cyphermox> didrocks, pinging now, I hadn't but it would be good
[14:14] <pedro_> seb128, it is working fine here. we are writing test cases with it for testing natty apps
[14:14] <ari-tczew> didrocks: could you sponsor SRU for me? :)
[14:14] <pitti> cyphermox: ah, I can help out with sponsoring
[14:15] <cyphermox> thx
[14:15] <didrocks> ari-tczew: not today, but #ubuntu-devel has a patch pilot to review your patch :)
[14:16] <seb128> ari-tczew, you seem to be motivated which is nice but there is no need to keep pinging on IRC for sponsoring
[14:16] <ari-tczew> patch pilot? wtf
[14:16] <seb128> ari-tczew, there is a sponsoring queue and people work on it when they have time
[14:16] <mterry> seb128, yeah for now
[14:16] <seb128> ari-tczew, the IRC pinging doesn't free time so are not really useful, and as didrocks pointed there is a patch pilot doing review every day now
[14:17] <ari-tczew> seb128: heh, I looked on #ubuntu-motu and they told me that ubuntu desktop team should upload this one, so I'm asking... please don't dispose me
[14:17] <seb128> mterry, ok, shame :p
[14:17] <mterry> heh
[14:17] <seb128> mvo, hey
[14:17] <seb128> bug #678201
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 678201 in librsvg (Ubuntu) "nautlius lockup with jpg-named svgs referring to svgs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678201
[14:18] <seb128> mvo, ^ seems ari-tczew would like to have this reviewed,sponsored
[14:18] <seb128> ups
[14:18] <seb128> bug #626379
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 626379 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch() (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 48)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626379
[14:18] <seb128> mvo, ^ that one rather
[14:18]  * seb128 kicks linux copy
[14:19] <seb128> ok, so tasks that need to be picked
[14:19] <seb128> - the appmenu-gtk source should probably have a gtk3 build
[14:20] <seb128> mterry, ^ still pointing it for the day you are done with your current tasks and if nobody claim it before you
[14:20] <seb128> otherwise glade-3 would be nice to update to 3.7
[14:20] <jcastro> hi didrocks - I found a problem this weekend that I think we should fix before you switch to unity by default. If you're on a laptop and in unity there's no way to graphically use the network.
[14:20] <cyphermox> seb128, glade-3 I could do
[14:20] <seb128> jcastro, hey
[14:20] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, so it's yours
[14:20] <jcastro> didrocks: so I was thinking perhaps some instructions on how to use nm-cli or something?
[14:21] <didrocks> jcastro: yeah, bug already logged IIRC
[14:21] <cyphermox> I already did some amounts of that work trying to fix something for synaptic by a newer glade
[14:21] <jcastro> didrocks: that we can go ahead and announce with it
[14:21] <didrocks> jcastro: can you raise that on #ayatana?
[14:21] <jcastro> ok
[14:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the startup notification is broken on firefox, is that known?
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no, i didn't know that before
[14:24] <seb128> the same way it was broken before lucid
[14:24] <seb128> it seems to be back in the new firefox
[14:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how do you start it?
[14:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I always get a "starting firefox" task in the wnck applet there
[14:25] <seb128> which stays until timeout
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i use docky, so i don't get the startup notification anyway
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> but
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> i can see why it doesn't work already ;)
[14:26] <seb128> great ;-)
[14:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no hurry you don't have to fix it now, in an hour will do
[14:26] <seb128> ;-)
[14:28] <seb128> didrocks, you have an e-d-s and an evo bug assigned to you
[14:28] <seb128> those are upstream patches backport requests that brian opened
[14:28] <seb128> didrocks, could you or cyphermox try to get that in the sru queue?
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> seb128, re: empathy 2.32.2.  I am going to get it done, i forgot to assign myself to it.
[14:29] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hey, thanks!
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head/revision/702
[14:29] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no hurry the previous upload still need some days before going through
[14:29] <didrocks> seb128: for maverick SRU
[14:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you real master firefox now ;-)
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:29] <didrocks> seb128: I won't have time, really…
[14:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks!
[14:30] <seb128> didrocks, well that's sort of why I pinged there including cyphermox
[14:30] <didrocks> and yeah, I saw that in the week-end in my bug log :)
[14:30] <seb128> didrocks, he can maybe do the update and you can do the upload?
[14:30] <bcurtiswx> seb128, im having one issue , a patch fails (20_libindicate), so i go bzr bd-do to quilt push -f and the first one fails.. Maybe I'm doing something wrong
[14:30] <cyphermox> seb128, didrocks, fair enough, just added it to my list for today
[14:30] <seb128> bcurtiswx, it might need to be updated for the new version
[14:30] <didrocks> seb128: sure…
[14:31] <seb128> didrocks, cyphermox: thanks
[14:31] <didrocks> I would rather we can get evolution 2.32 in natty… but if upstream doesn't respond, I'll try it there and include as a distro patch (as it's migration stuff, we can miss something)
[14:31] <cyphermox> didrocks, it's a very minimal patch too
[14:34] <nerd_bloke> clear
[14:35] <bcurtiswx> seb128, the patch be updated?  I am trying to update it by pushing the previous ones with quilt push -f , i will fix the bad patch, add it, then refresh the patch and try the build again.. but the quilt push -f fails now on the very first patch
[14:36] <bcurtiswx> instead on the bzr bd when it failed on the 5th patch in
[14:36] <nerd_bloke> Would the following bug be suitable for a papercut? It is basic functionality of Launchpad, not the desktop:
[14:36] <nerd_bloke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/68277
[14:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 68277 in malone ""newest first" doesn't sort bugs correctly (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:37] <bcurtiswx> nerd_bloke, no.  We're focused on ubuntu bugs, not LP ones
[14:37] <cyphermox> nerd_bloke, I think this question goes better in #launchpad, and since it's launchpad, probably not so much in context for the papercut project
[14:37] <seb128> bcurtiswx, when do you run the quilt command?
[14:37] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you probably want to bzr bd-do then quilt push
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> bzr bd-do then i quilt push
[14:38] <nerd_bloke> cyphermox: thanks
[14:38] <seb128> bcurtiswx, can you pastebin the error you get?
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> seb128, sure
[14:41] <bcurtiswx> seb128, for the bzr bd , this http://paste.ubuntu.com/535215/ is the log where the error happens.. my next paste will be the bzr bd -do
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> seb128,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/535216/
[14:43] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:43] <kenvandine> did you see my gtk patches?
[14:44] <seb128> bcurtiswx, did you export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches?
[14:44] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, I saw your upload and your failed gtk3 upload yes
[14:44] <seb128> kenvandine, does that fix the dbusmenu build?
[14:44] <kenvandine> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3
[14:44] <kenvandine> yeah, mind sponsoring that?
[14:44] <bcurtiswx> no, is there a way to save that so I don't have to every time?
[14:44] <bcurtiswx> seb128, ^^
[14:44] <seb128> kenvandine, I will do
[14:44] <kenvandine> that at least fixes dbusmenu failures outside of dbusmenu
[14:44] <seb128> bcurtiswx, set it in your .profile or something?
[14:45] <bcurtiswx> seb128, .bashrc ?
[14:46] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: So you didn't become core-dev? why? lack of votes?
[14:46] <bilalakhtar> or lack of voters?
[14:46] <kenvandine> lack of voters
[14:46] <kenvandine> doing it via email
[14:47] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[14:47] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK, got it.  seems bzr bd doesn't catch fuzz while doing it manually catched fuzz
[14:47] <seb128> bcurtiswx, should work
[14:47] <seb128> bcurtiswx, right, the new source format doesn't like fuzzy diffs
[14:47] <kenvandine> 2 did abstain though, they feel like there is a problem with package sets, maybe not inclusive enough
[14:48] <bcurtiswx> seb128, is it going to "like fuzz" in the future?
[14:48] <seb128> dunno
[14:48] <seb128> I think it might do it on purpose and not as a bugg
[14:48] <seb128> bu
[14:48] <seb128> bug
[14:49] <seb128> to force you to refresh the changesets
[14:49] <seb128> the fuzzy stat can introduce bugs sometime
[14:49] <seb128> it might happen that it applies to the wrong part of the code
[14:49] <seb128> if different parts are similar
[14:49] <seb128> so it's usually better to refresh the changesets
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK.  now that i added the export I should be able to get these quicker
[14:50] <seb128> right
[14:54] <rodrigo_> ok, fixed the keyring+ssh/gpg problem
[14:54] <rodrigo_> an easy one fortunately :)
[14:55] <seb128> rodrigo_, what was it?
[14:55] <rodrigo_> seb128, missing a renamed binary, so /usr/lib/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring-prompt links to that gnome-keyring-prompt-3-0, which wasn't on the package
[14:56] <rodrigo_> is there any way to raise warnings when some stuff installed by the upstream tarball is not in any .install file?
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, you could run dh_install --list-missing
[14:57] <seb128> in the build directory after build
[14:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, cool
[15:11] <asac> everyone: tomorrow 1500 UTC is public multimedia plan review https://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/1105/PublicPlanReview ... note down in your calendar, send delegates, join #linaro-meeting and dial in!! thanks for your interest
[15:21] <rodrigo_> hmm, the packages in the gnome3 ppa don't show up in updates
[15:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, what updates?
[15:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, the latest g-c-c for instance
[15:22] <rodrigo_> I can't apt-get upgrade
[15:22] <rodrigo_> it
[15:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you run "sudo apt-get update; apt-cache policy gnome-control-center"
[15:23] <rodrigo_> g-s-d 2.91.3 neither
[15:23] <rodrigo_> yes, already did, doesn't show up the new version
[15:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you pastebin the apt-cache policy
[15:24] <rodrigo_> yes
[15:25] <rodrigo_> http://pastebin.com/h868tmjJ
[15:26] <rodrigo_> and the ppa has 2.91.2-0ubuntu5~build2
[15:27] <rodrigo_> I get this on update:
[15:27] <rodrigo_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2CC98497A1231595
[15:27] <rodrigo_> but that shouldn't be a problem, right?
[15:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, should not no
[15:29] <rodrigo_> right, I have the same issue with other ppa repos, and the upgrades show up correctly
[15:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, weird, can you copy the sudo apt-get update log?
[15:30] <rodrigo_> which log?
[15:30] <Sarvatt> pitti: requesting syncs for the majority of the X drivers to save you some space in case you were planning more no change uploads :) we've been updating them in experimental
[15:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, run sudo apt-get update
[15:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, copy the stdout to pastebin
[15:36] <rodrigo_> seb128, http://pastebin.com/37iS6apb
[15:49] <pitti> Sarvatt: not right now; I just went through a current natty live CD and checked for the biggest changelogs there
[15:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, weird, the upgrades don't show up on the virtual machine I have, but they do on my real machine
[15:51] <rodrigo_> so something's wrong on the virtual machine
[15:52] <Laney> asac: where are we with the banshee mir? (sorry if you were pinged about this before)
[15:53] <asac> Laney: last i know was that we were waiting for some refactoring still ... have to re-review
[15:53] <Laney> I think it should be good to look at again now
[16:18] <rodrigo_> so, how do I clean apt's cache? I've used purge, etc, but it still can't see the new packages, not only on the PPA, but in the other repos also
[16:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, ^^
[16:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, the indexes you mean?
[16:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[16:19] <seb128> they are in /var/lib/apt
[16:19] <seb128> lists
[16:19] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:21] <rodrigo_> hmm, this reminds me of a bug in maemo's apt, which forced me to remove the indexes there a few times
[16:21] <rodrigo_> ok, a lot of upgrades now!
[16:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, weird
[16:29] <seb128> it's all mvo's fault ;-)
[16:30] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:37] <seb128> is grep-dctrl working for other people in natty?
[16:43] <mvo> seb128: hm?
[16:43]  * mvo hugs kiwinote (in absence)
[16:45] <mvo> hey glatzor - nice to see you \o/
[16:45] <glatzor> evening mvo!
[16:46] <glatzor> mvo, how are you?
[16:49] <and471> heya glatzor & mvo & vish & tremolux & mpt & nessita
[16:49] <and471> nessita, you free for another question re testing?
[16:50] <mvo> glatzor: I'm good - how are you?
[16:50] <tremolux> and471: hey!  \o
[16:50] <and471> :)
[16:50] <mvo> hey and471
[16:50] <glatzor> mvo, a lot of work to be done - as ever ... :)
[16:50] <glatzor> hey and471, still in the same buisiness?
[16:51] <and471> hehe, yup, lots of homework :/
[16:55] <glatzor> mvo, I am off now! see you
[16:55] <glatzor> mvo, have a nice evening!
[16:55] <glatzor> greetings to you family
[16:56] <mvo> glatzor: thanks :
[16:56] <mvo> too late
[16:58] <pitti> good night everyone
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> good night pitti
[16:58] <mvo> good night pitti
[16:59] <seb128> 'night pitti
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, empathy has an option for  --with-ca-file="" or --without-ca-file now (part of the changes).. im just guessing to use --without-ca-file because IDK where one would be.. what would you recommend
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, this is for 2.32.2
[17:18] <seb128> mvo, hm? oh, it was rodrigo_, he had to delete apt indexes manually to get apt-get update to update
[17:18] <mvo> seb128, rodrigo_: from /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ?
[17:19] <rodrigo_> mvo, I removed all under /var/lib/apt/lists, not only /partial
[17:19] <seb128> mvo, he said that apt was not seeing updates even after an apt-get update
[17:20] <rodrigo_> yeah, removing those files and running update again fixed it
[17:20] <mvo> rodrigo_: apt is using "if-modified-since", if for some reason your local timestamps got corrupted that might cause such a effect
[17:21] <rodrigo_> hmm, the timestamps on the files in /var/lib/apt/lists?
[17:21] <mvo> yes
[17:22] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok, I'll check next time, this is on a virtual machine, so maybe
[17:22] <rodrigo_> mterry, ping
[17:33] <mvo> thanks rodrigo_
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> huh, launchpad just rejected a PPA upload of mine because my local tarball has a different md5sum compared to the one already in the PPA, despite the fact I build with -sd, so there is no information about the tarball in my sources.changes
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> launchpad is going to make me download the whole tarball!
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> :(
[17:47] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner, hi
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> oh
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> it's in the .dsc. perhaps it's not a bug after all
[17:48] <jcastro> mterry: The latest bamf and co fixed this for me, do you still see it? bug #677559
[17:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 677559 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Application expose mode doesn't work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677559
[17:50] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, before --with/without-ca-file was added to empathy.  would --without-ca-file been default ?
[17:56] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, yeah we default on Debian/Ubuntu's ca file
[17:57] <bcurtiswx> cassidy, so we do need one.. where's it located ?
[17:57] <cassidy> bcurtiswx, /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
[17:58] <bcurtiswx> --with-ca-file="/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt"  thanks :)
[18:18] <mterry> jcastro, testing
[18:18] <mterry> rodrigo_, pong
[18:22] <mterry> jcastro, didn't seem to change anything.  I updated, killed bamfdaemon, and restarted unity.  Anything else I shouldhave done?
[18:22] <jcastro> I don't think so, it seems to work fine for me (other than it missing the special effect when you move your mouse over the window you want to select)
[18:23] <rodrigo_> mterry, hi, so I've been looking at the python problem we talked about the other day, but have tried several things, but can't find a way to fix it for this: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-menus/2_30_5_release
[18:23] <rodrigo_> mterry, have to go now, but could you please have a look at it when you have time, please?
[18:24] <rodrigo_> ok, really need to go now, bbl
[18:24] <mterry> rodrigo_, bye
[18:27] <mterry> didrocks1, you said you followed a wiki page instruction for the copyright format?  Which wiki?  Should be updated to point to latest spe
[18:27] <mterry> c
[18:27] <didrocks> mterry: the one listed as the first line in the old copyright file
[18:30] <mpt> hello and471
[18:31] <mterry> didrocks, oh yeah.  I can't update that.  :)  It's an old version of the spec, before it moved to the DEP process, AFAIK
[18:31] <didrocks> mterry: oh ok
[18:39]  * hyperair pokes asac 
[18:49] <mterry> rodrigo_, filed merge https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu/natty/gnome-menus/python-fix/+merge/41499
[19:16] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/678330 all set for SRU and sponsor
[19:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 678330 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy 2.32.2 Stable Release Update Request (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[19:58] <chmrr> Anyone around who can look at merging https://code.launchpad.net/~broder/gnome-terminal/fix-37767/+merge/39887 ?
[19:59] <baptistemm> chmrr: why don't you make the patch reviewed by th upstream author ?
[20:17] <chmrr> baptisetemm: Do you mean the original author of the patch, who submitted the ubuntu bug originally, or the upstream maintainer who accepted it?
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, my SSH key isn't being unlocked when i log in now in natty
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> does anyone else see that?
[20:36] <dobey> chrisccoulson: that started happening to me in maverick
[20:36] <dobey> chrisccoulson: and i don't see any way in the dialog to tell it to remember the password in the keyring
[21:50] <rodrigo_> mterry, thanks!
[21:50] <mterry> rodrigo_, np, hope it works.  Like I said, I didn't actually test it.  :-/
[21:50] <rodrigo_> mterry, testing it right now
[21:50] <mterry> rodrigo_, but it's the same code as I used to get by it
[21:55] <rodrigo_> mterry, yay, it built ok
[21:55] <rodrigo_> checking now the .deb's
[21:56] <rodrigo_> yay
[21:56] <rodrigo_> mterry, thanks!
[21:57] <mterry> rodrigo_, np
[22:00] <rodrigo_> mterry, if you can review -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-menus/2_30_5_release/+merge/41520 I'll upload it as soon as it's approved
[22:02] <mterry> rodrigo_, I don't see the debian/control change you mention in the changelog
[22:02] <rodrigo_> mterry, yeah, removing it from changelog, I think I edited this changelog when working on another package
[22:02] <mterry> rodrigo_, did control.in eat them?
[22:02] <mterry> ah, k
[22:02] <rodrigo_> hmm, maybe
[22:02] <rodrigo_> let me see
[22:03] <rodrigo_> no, not really, it doesn't need to depend on that
[22:03] <rodrigo_> as I said, it seems I edited this changelog when working on gnome-applets
[22:04] <rodrigo_> ok, pushed the change in changelog
[22:07] <mterry> rodrigo_, well, then I guess I rubber-stamp it because it's basically exactly what I gave you
[22:07] <mterry> :)
[22:07] <rodrigo_> mterry, yeah, only an update in the changelog to update to 2.30.5
[22:08] <rodrigo_> hey robert_ancell
[22:09] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, hey
[22:10] <rodrigo_> mterry, are you approving the branch, or should I just merge and upload?
[22:15] <mterry> rodrigo_, oh, I forgot to push the approve button
[22:15] <rodrigo_> mterry, :-D
[23:06] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hey
[23:06] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, good evening
[23:06] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, good morning :)
[23:07] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, so, does new compiz seem really crashy to you?
[23:07] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, I'm still running natty in a vm, so I haven't tried it yet.  I'm thinking of updating soon though
[23:07] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, please do
[23:07] <rickspencer3> I
[23:08] <rickspencer3> think we're all a bit counting on you to help them get compiz ready quickly
[23:08] <rickspencer3> !
[23:08] <rickspencer3> help me robert_ancell, you're our only hope
[23:08] <robert_ancell> heh
[23:09] <robert_ancell> ok, bye bye stable desktop, dist-upgrade time for me...
[23:11] <rickspencer3> bye bye robert_ancell!
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, i can't believe you're not running natty already!
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> :)
[23:14] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, I've been through these releases before :)