[00:02] can any experienced MOTU folks just go over the basics of how they run the entire process... I don't see this anywhere on the wiki [00:03] Like how do you look for a 'bug', how do you confirm its not already packaged for the requested version, how do you start the process of packaging, etc [00:10] mr_pouit: around? [05:54] hi guys [05:54] I am trying to package a qt code I did [05:54] actually i did it [05:54] but when i installed it [05:54] i can't not find it [05:54] i have to search it [05:54] wondering if there is a way that it creates a "shortcut on the aplication menu" [05:59] someone could help me on that? [06:00] DiegoTc, look at .desktop files, check some existing code to find it. might be worthwhile to apt-get source on a few packages that install to the menu [06:00] DiegoTc, I think gedit has one, and it's a straightforward package, iirc [06:00] DiegoTc, if not, groundcontrol has a good setup [06:02] yeah, groundcontrol is better, DiegoTc [06:02] okay [06:02] thanks paultag [06:02] good luck, DiegoTc [06:02] paultag, when I upload a package to lp it takes some minutes to update the ppa page? [06:02] BBL, futurama [06:03] DiegoTc, you'll get an email [06:03] /away [06:03] jajaja [06:03] it got reject it [06:03] :p [06:19] bdrung: yes? [06:37] good morning [07:00] Is internet available on official buildds? [07:00] not at all [07:04] good morning! [07:33] good morning dholbach [07:33] hey coolbhavi [07:34] * coolbhavi runs back to work [07:40] dholbach: When would be a proper time to push a new update of the sponsoring overview to reports.qa.ubuntu.com? [07:40] bilalakhtar, what do you mean? [07:41] dholbach: I mean to ask, is the sponsoring overview in trunk stable enough to replace the one already on reports.q.u.c ? [07:41] I'm quite sure that it is [07:42] so what's in lp:ubuntu-sponsoring should be what's available at reports.q.u.c [07:42] Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-sponsoring/trunk/ [07:42] No revisions to pull. [07:42] bilalakhtar, ^ [07:43] dholbach: I don't think it is [07:43] dholbach: running the sponsoring overview in trunk has a completely new look [07:43] the message above is from the report.q.u.c [07:43] * bilalakhtar confirmes [07:44] what is different? [07:45] dholbach: wait a few minutes, I will telll you [07:45] I am currently running the overview from trunk [07:56] bilalakhtar, so I just checked the local output and it looks very much the same to me [07:56] I need to go now - I'll bbl, so let me know what you found [07:56] dholbach: thanks, mine is the same as well [07:56] ok good :) [07:56] phew! [07:56] sorry for the poke the [07:57] *then [07:57] no worries [07:57] Actually an older version on trunk had a bit better look [07:57] which made me think the one in qa.u.c is old [07:57] I really don't think the look changed in the last few months [07:57] but if you have suggestions or want to contribute...... :) === hanska is now known as dapal [08:18] ebroder: good call on the source dir issue WRT mame [08:44] quadrispro: good luck with your application! [08:44] thank you bilalakhtar ! [10:29] hi [10:30] I have a directory with pbuilder results and there are many versions of same package. anyone has a script or other way to remove all versions other then latest one? [10:33] hrw: ls *.changes | tac | tail -n +2 | xargs dcmd rm [10:33] … this though might remove the .orig.tar.gz for your latest build too. But you should be able to fetch that again anyway. [10:33] Rhonda: thx [10:34] Do an "xargs dcmd echo rm" [10:34] … so you actually get an idea what will get done. :) [10:35] ok [10:35] dcmd is not necessary, I think he only wants to remove them locally [10:35] StevenK: So? [10:35] Oh, I thought it was something else [10:36] dcmd expands the .changes file to all files referenced in it [10:36] So it will actually remove the sources and binaries referenced within too. [11:59] mr_pouit: i saw that you talked about syncpackage. it takes a .dsc file (from debian) and all corresponding files, creates a _source.changes file for uploading it to ubuntu. do you want to know more about it? === xfaf is now known as zul [12:02] bilalakhtar: re sponsors-overview: please check if adblock-plus blocks something [12:02] bdrung: hmm? okay [12:03] bilalakhtar: it will look different if adblock-plus blocks the css file or js file [12:04] bdrung: cool! [12:04] it worked [12:04] ! [12:04] bdrung: How did you know that? [12:05] I mean, how did you know I used adblock-plus [12:05] bilalakhtar: because i hat to add an exception for it, too [12:05] bilalakhtar: because everyone uses adblock-plus ;) [12:05] :) [12:06] markos_: browsing net without adblock is strange thing ;D [13:01] bdrung: I don't think it was me (I already know what it does ;) [13:01] mr_pouit: about which package did you talked yesterday? [13:02] mmh, exo I think [13:13] I am trying to create a source package, but debuild -S is giving errors http://debian.pastebin.com/TxeMhuq2 [13:14] the initial package worked fine, it started giving problems only after I edited the original source page to add one more section to build a binary package [13:14] dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to zeitgeist-datasources/zeitgeist-dataproviders-0.1.0.tar.gz: binary file contents changed [13:40] m4n1sh: why is there a tarball inside the source tree? [13:40] azeem_: I did a make distcheck [13:40] to build it [13:40] took it outside [13:41] and then created the debian folder [13:41] outside is what? [13:41] quadrispro: To answer your question from #ubuntu-meeting (just respond whenever you're available to do so): [13:41] azeem_: the orig.tar.g file [13:42] azeem_: after removing that tar file from inside [13:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/535195/ [13:42] m4n1sh: apparently the tar.gz file is still located in the source tree? [13:42] quadrispro: Simple. a) I cannot always attest to a package's correctness on Debian, becuase I happen to run Ubuntu, not Debian. b) There is less resistence in getting stuff into Ubuntu. Faster turnaround => more stuff gets done. [13:42] m4n1sh: ok, so that one is resolved [13:42] yeah [13:42] the other problem is the new symlink [13:42] azeem_: do I need to remove all files created by ./autogen.sh ? [13:43] probably easiest is the remove that one in the clean target, and redo it if necessary for the build [13:43] fine [13:43] m4n1sh: why do you run autogen.sh during package build? [13:43] does the upstream tarball not have a full configure script already? [13:44] azeem_: actually I am working with upstream [13:44] so I need to run [13:44] ./confugure [13:44] and then ? [13:44] debuild -S [13:44] ? [13:44] upstream (you e.g.) should make a tarball relaease [13:44] release* [13:44] azeem_: did it [13:45] then you should add the debian/ directory to ti [13:45] it* [13:45] if needed, add patches to debian/patches [13:45] means extract it and then add debian/ folder [13:45] right? [13:45] yeah [13:45] did it [13:45] then ./configure ? [13:45] ./configure should be run by the debian package build process [13:46] just debuild -S [13:46] right [13:47] azeem_: works [13:47] :) [13:47] now I need to upload it to PPA and check [13:48] soren, 1) well, OK, I run it too. so, I meant: "encourage" contributors, not beat them :) [13:50] quadrispro: Your question was "but if the package works fine for Debian and Ubuntu and the delta is not so intrusive, why should we diverge?" [13:50] I wouldn't mind at all seeing more packages flow the other way. [13:50] why meeting logs are not updated yet :/ [13:51] soren, I need to to have shower. I'm very, very interested to discuss about this point, really, but... can we continue later? :) [13:51] quadrispro: I'm always around. [13:52] soren, even this evening? anyway, I'll ping you soon, ok? [13:52] quadrispro: No worries. [13:53] quadrispro: I never log off, at least. I may wander off for a while, but if you mention my name, I'll eventually respond. [14:48] hi, I need help with applying patch [14:50] https://code.launchpad.net/~pavolzetor/ubuntu/natty/liferea/liferea-test [14:50] could you look at this? [14:53] Can someone help me on this build failure? it builds on debian unstable, but not ubuntu natty: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59448987/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.fcitx_1%3A3.6.4-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:53] fcitx/1:3.6.4-1 [14:55] pavolzetor: If you ask mvo on #ubuntu-devel, I think he is helping people with patches today. [14:55] happyaron: it's related to binutils-gold most likely [14:55] happyaron: FTBFS due to DSO linking. Related to binutils-gold in natty. http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking [14:56] happyaron: Add -lXrender to LDFLAGS or LIBS. [14:56] happyaron: the correct way would be add that libraries to the gcc call [14:56] ari-tczew: thanks [14:57] BlackZ: thank you, too [14:59] ari-tczew: adding to LDFLAGS won't work anymore since the --as-needed change as order does matter now (the linked library has to be specified after the object file needing it in the linker call) [15:00] geser: OK, what's the conclusion? Adding to LIBS? [15:00] yes [15:01] and checking that LIBS is used after the object files [15:01] * happyaron confused [15:01] happyaron: Add -lXrender to LIBS. [15:01] okay === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:12] ogra: for requesting sync, you can use script 'requestsync' === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:04] ari-tczew: well, it seems not working. === makl is now known as ximion === ximion is now known as makl === makl is now known as ximion [16:15] happyaron: sorry, I can't foretell from the ball [16:16] (show buildlog) [16:17] /usr/bin/ld: TrayWindow.o: in function DrawTrayWindow:TrayWindow.c:160: error: undefined reference to 'XRenderFreePicture' [16:17] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [16:18] show more log and use http://paste.ubuntu.com [16:25] ari-tczew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535252/ [16:25] thanks [16:28] happyaron: on which release do you building? [16:28] natty? [16:29] ari-tczew: this log is produced on lucid with binutils-gold installed, if really need to use natty I can try with a ppa [16:32] happyaron: it depends what are you doing [16:33] I'm not expert in fixing FTBFS but it looks for me as upstream problem [16:33] maybe any include is missing [16:34] thanks for you help. well here is my rules, I don't know whether I've put LIBS in wrong place [16:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/535257/ [16:36] happyaron: the best solution is add missing flags LIBS to Makefile [16:36] okay, try now [16:36] adding to debian/rules is workaround [16:40] ari-tczew: yeah add to Makefile seems to work, so I'll try to patch it. thanks for your help! [16:40] np [17:38] hi, How can I make a deb packege for ubuntu that shows a screenshot in the ubuntu software center when you are trying to install it ? === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:40] tonymoyoy: I dont think that the deb package has anything to do with the screenshot [17:40] screenshots are stored seperately [17:41] tonymoyoy: http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ [17:41] http://screenshots.debian.net/ [17:41] I think Ubuntu syncs from here [17:41] m4n1sh: no, Ubuntu operates a separate version at http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ which syncs from there [17:41] along with some of its own [17:42] bilalakhtar: I have been trying to build the banshee-community-extensions from the HEAD [17:42] thanks bilalakhtar [17:42] weird problems [17:42] m4n1sh: mention itg [17:42] *it [17:43] the configure part works fine [17:43] and the make distcheck works for most of the people [17:43] Except me :( [17:43] m4n1sh: install the appropriate lib*-dev package then [17:43] done [17:44] make works [17:44] make distcheck does not [17:44] and it works for everyone else :( [17:44] Could a UDD user please verify bug #668764 's SRU upload to maverick-proposed? thanks [17:44] Launchpad bug 668764 in bzr-builddeb (Ubuntu Maverick) "Add Natty to the list of known distros" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668764 [17:45] I have been using the package since before the upload and its very much fine [17:45] could someone else also verify? takes only a minute [17:45] m4n1sh: could you specify the problem? [17:46] yeah [17:46] giving you the problem [17:47] bilalakhtar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/535281/ [17:47] do you think it is due to bad build script? [17:48] or do I have to purge the build-deps [17:48] and then try again? [17:51] IMO debian/rules is wrong or upstream issue. [17:54] m4n1sh: looking now, sorry [17:54] bilalakhtar: you want the git repo? [17:54] git://gitorious.org/banshee-community-extensions/banshee-community-extensions.git [17:54] thanks [17:54] * bilalakhtar clones [17:54] and just do install the basic build-dep [17:58] chrisccoulson: there? are you working on bug #630383? or can I take it? [17:58] Launchpad bug 630383 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "Gnome-terminal paste keyboard shortcut does not work" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630383 [17:58] bilalakhtar, feel free to take it, i didn't get time to look at it yet [17:58] thanks chrisccoulson [18:00] m4n1sh: sorry, I don't have the time ATM to look at it [18:00] m4n1sh: seems like the "Main.cs" reference is missing in the makefile [18:01] BlackZ: it is present. That is the puzzle [18:01] atleast in Makefile.am it is referenced [18:02] * m4n1sh checks again [18:02] yes it is [18:09] is there a way to tell bzr bd to use more CPU's ? [18:10] bcurtiswx: There's the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules-options [18:10] But it only works if the package supports it (i.e. it's opt-in for the packaging) === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [18:30] soren, what does it mean "less resistence in getting stuff into"? when a package doesn't get accepted by Debian, we should wonder why instead straightly accept it [18:34] I have some odd case. I have patch to fix licenses in upstream files. How should do I resolve this? By patch or apply directly? [18:34] (IMHO), this was about the 2nd point. And about the 1st one: using the same software on both Debian and Ubuntu means learning more things about it [18:34] ari-tczew: can't upstream just fix that? [18:35] BlackZ: upstream has fixed... [18:35] BlackZ: I'm packing new package. [18:35] ari-tczew, if upstream has fixed it in its VCS, it would be better to prepare a new dfsg-clean tarball [18:35] and I have prepared stable release. Upstream has fixed in trunk. [18:36] ari-tczew: what quadrispro said :) [18:36] ari-tczew, get the sources from upstream's trunk [18:37] if he introduces something that you consider wrong/broken/experimental, and you want to exclude that [18:38] you could strip out it by patching the sources [18:38] quadrispro: his trunk is FTBFS, start from this case [18:40] ari-tczew, take a deep look at the differences between the latest release tarball and the trunk and try to catch the issue [18:40] quadrispro: bintuils gold :) [18:40] ari-tczew, arghh! :) [18:41] usually they are linking order-related === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:46] quadrispro: could you take a look on bug 313570 ? guy has noticed that patch is broken, you are a merger [18:46] Launchpad bug 313570 in tvtime (Ubuntu Dapper) "tvtime does not rebember matte settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313570 [18:46] quadrispro: ah, sorry, BlackZ is [18:46] you are the first uploader :) [18:47] ari-tczew, sorry but having busy time now. BlackZ, could you take a look? [18:49] quadrispro: will do [18:49] quadrispro: congrats on becoming core-dev === bilalakhtar is now known as papercutter [18:50] thank you micahg ! === hrw|gone is now known as hrw === papercutter is now known as bilalakhtar [19:06] hmm. I need to update wiki and finally start process ;D [19:08] hrw: maybe MOTU first? [19:08] ari-tczew: process to get some kind of level - not core one in 2010 ;D [19:09] ari-tczew: but for tomorrow I already have listed "go to #bzr and find out why LP shows conflicts in my merge requests" [19:10] aha [19:10] hrw: IIRC you work for Ubuntu if you got a money. [19:10] and once found I will have to rebase/resubmit etc 3 packages [19:10] ari-tczew: not quite. I also use ubuntu [19:11] ari-tczew: today worked on fixing byobu bug which occured on my hw and it was not related to my work. [19:11] ari-tczew: also working a bit on efikamx smartbook support things [19:12] hrw: so, you're interested in becoming an Ubuntu Developer? [19:12] micahg: thats the plan [19:13] hrw: have you seen this yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers [19:13] micahg: if I would not buy linuxpda in 2004 I would probably be ubuntu-by-debian developer already [19:13] hrw: start merging with Debian :) [19:14] micahg: need to find where do I have my page [19:15] hrw: where *to* put it, or where *did* you put it? [19:15] micahg: did [19:15] ah [19:15] moinmoin never was my favorite so I have problems with it sometimes [19:16] found [19:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplicationForUniverseContributer [19:17] bookmarked this time [19:19] so, how is your involvment with the Polish LoCo? ;) [19:19] * kklimonda whistles and goes away for a beer [19:19] good night [19:20] enjoy kklimonda [19:20] hrw: s/Contributer/Contributor [19:20] kklimonda: you asked 3rd time for it and during uds-n we had discussion that there is no such thing as PL Loco [19:20] hrw: ah, ust kidding :) [19:20] ari-tczew: right [19:20] even just :) [19:21] kklimonda: prefer to mention it when others are listening [19:21] ;D [19:21] lol 3 Polish talking in english :/ [19:21] ari-tczew: you are suprised? [19:21] hrw: no, just odd feel [19:21] :P [19:22] ari-tczew: I had situations when I changed pl<>en few times in one discussion (live) [19:22] aha heh [19:22] ari-tczew: but it sounded weird when it occured in a middle of sentence [19:22] hi [19:25] ari-tczew: suggestions/opinions on that wiki page? [19:25] hrw: that's a nice list of stuff, are you looking for endorsements? [19:25] micahg: will ask people for them in next days [19:26] hrw: ok, next meeting is in 2 weeks :) [19:26] hrw: my suggestion is to show your expierence, knowledge and involvement [19:26] hrw: I'll be happy to review it later [19:26] micahg: mkey, thx [19:27] hrw: I couldn't give you endorsement, I don't have anything sponsored for you or any expierence in cooperate with you. [19:27] ari-tczew: I asked for opinion/suggestion not endorsement [19:28] hrw: so I don't have suggestions for you. I don't like to read on wiki election promises. [19:29] ari-tczew: ok [19:29] I'm trying to package qtjambi for Ubuntu. I listed phonon-backend-gstreamer as dependency but pbuilder says that there are unmet depends. because phonon-backend-gstreamer is a virtual package. here the pbuilder output: http://pastebin.com/c2fK8ppQ [19:30] akoskm: use "virtual | real" for deps [19:30] or "real | virtual" order - but you have to suggest some existing package [19:31] this is the only package which contains the file what I need [19:31] I need to add these options to pbuilder? [19:31] to debian/control build-depends [19:31] or inside the control file [19:32] akoskm: for example my package depends on "linux-source-2.6.37 | linux-source-2.6" (with versioning inside) because 2.6.37 is in natty but in theory any >2.6.35-something can work [19:32] or linux-ti-omap4-source if exists etc [19:33] I see, but how do I figure out which one is the real package? [19:36] * hrw has no idea - phonon-backend-gstreamer contains real files so for me it is not virtual [19:37] yep, for me too thats the problem, but pbuilder states that its virtual [19:37] * hrw needs to go - feed the daughter === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [19:37] thx for help guys [19:38] thank you hrw [19:39] akoskm: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html (7.5 Virtual packages - Provides) [19:53] BlackZ, thx [20:16] BlackZ, what to do if actually phonon-backend-gstreamer is a real package, and when I list as dependency its getting handled as virtual? [20:18] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1 [20:18] akoskm: do you need it for gstreamer0.10-plugins-good and gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly ? [20:19] BlackZ, no. I should list it because it provides the file "phonon_gstreamer.so" required for qjambi building [20:21] here is pbuilder's log: http://pastebin.com/c2fK8ppQ, somewhere at the end it says that the given package is virtual, but it isn't [20:44] quadrispro: I'm not looking for more stuff to learn. I'm trying to get stuff done. [20:44] quadrispro: "less resistence": I can just upload stuff to Ubuntu at will. In Debian, I have to wait for a sponsor and whatnot. [21:16] maco: hey, have you tried gally on natty recently? [21:34] pbuilder still states that phonon-backend-gstreamer is a virtual package, and it wont let me to build the package, does anybody have an idea how can I avoid this? [22:37] Who should I contact about fixing the wubi page: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer [22:39] highvoltage: i havent upgraded to natty [22:40] magn3ts: File a bug under the ubuntu-website project. [22:43] Pici, okay. seems rather glaring IMO :P [23:00] you, me, devs can upload, anyone else cannot. In Ubuntu there is a sponsorship process, too [23:07] quadrispro: Was that for me? [23:08] soren, yes, it was :) (continue) of course policies and workflows are different, but stuff get done anyway (anywhere). The point was: mutual understanding would mean more collaboration. I don't want to state anything like: "Ubuntu should should be more like Debian" [23:08] quadrispro: I know we have a sponsorship process too. I used to have to deal with it. Now I don't. So getting stuff into Debian is orders of magnitude more complicated. I'm working on a elaborate flowchart that will make the hilarity of this nonsense obvious. === apachelogger is now known as FanOfNightrose [23:11] soren, you say right, anyway an Ubuntu-powered user could help Debian to improve and viceversa === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [23:12] quadrispro: Of course. An an Ubuntu-powered user could help Fedora, too. [23:12] quadrispro: Really. [23:12] quadrispro: The vast majority of the code in Ubuntu is shared by most other distros. [23:13] indeed it is, but Ubuntu doesnt derive from Fedora [23:13] quadrispro: I never said it did. [23:14] quadrispro: I just question the notion that spending time fixing same bug in three different places is necessarily better than fixing three bugs in one place. === FanOfNightrose is now known as apachelogger [23:15] quadrispro: Three places: Ubuntu, Debian, and upstream. === apachelogger is now known as phononlogger [23:18] soren, agreed, sure. I think just the following: an Ubuntu contributor who knows well Debian could work better on Ubuntu. That's it [23:19] then, we should keep differences alive, be different is great [23:20] quadrispro: Ah, I see. [23:22] we agree on more points than anyone may think :) [23:24] :) [23:42] leaving [23:44] soren, it's been a pleasure, see you soon! [23:44] quadrispro: o/ [23:46] bye!