[01:44] <wrst> hey cyberanger
[01:50] <cyberanger> how's things wrst
[01:50] <wrst> pretty good cyberanger don't hate me but trying out kde on ubuntu 10.10
[01:52] <wrst> or actually the kubuntu-desktop
[01:55]  * cyberanger doesn't hate wrst, just kde
[01:55]  * cyberanger points wrst to openbox or lxde
[01:56] <wrst> i know lots of people that use kde so i try to keep up to date plus with all the gnome changes coming i like to keep my options open
[01:57] <cyberanger> open, as in openbox ;-)
[02:07] <cyberanger> well, ubuntu is making alot of changes
[02:07] <cyberanger> & it's disconerning to me
[02:09] <wrst> well i don't really mind them i don't think :)
[02:14] <wrst> what has you so disturbed cyberanger?
[02:21] <cyberanger> mainly the removal or modifacation of gnu tools, getting rid of xorg
[02:21] <cyberanger> in short, alot of changes in an exteremly short amount of time
[02:23] <wrst> not for sure what that first one is cyberanger, but i suspect xorg won't be gone terribly soon
[02:24] <wrst> which really xorg makes sense its some really old technology
[02:41] <cyberanger> true, but it's not one item, it's the big picture
[02:43] <wrst> i kinda like it
[02:43] <wrst> i like it they aren't afraid to do their own thing
[02:55] <wrst> hello linuxman410
[02:56] <linuxman410> hi wrst
[02:57] <linuxman410> i am using linuxmint with openbox
[02:58] <linuxman410> wrst did u find a laptop
[02:59] <wrst> still looking linuxman410 probably be months before i buy :)
[02:59] <wrst> linuxman410: i have just never been a fan of mint
[02:59] <linuxman410> how come
[02:59] <wrst> its good but for some reason just never fit me have never tried the combo you are trying
[03:00] <wrst> i think its just because i don't like the default menu system linuxman410
[03:00] <linuxman410> i just installed debian 5.06 on another machine
[03:02] <wrst> i haven't had any natty updates in a few days, i'm thinking something is wrong
[03:03] <linuxman410> that does not sound rite
[03:07] <cyberanger> wrst: what mirror
[03:07] <cyberanger> do you use
[03:08] <wrst> had been using the US mirror but a bug report out need to disable extra repos and switch to main mirror seems to be fixing some
[03:08] <wrst> oh yeah that did it
[03:08] <wrst> 200MB's to dl
[03:14] <wrst> goodnight all
[03:23] <cyberanger> night wrst
[13:45] <Xpistos> morning everyone
[13:45] <Xpistos> wrst
[13:49] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[15:51] <cyberanger> morning Xpistos & wrst
[15:51] <wrst> cyberanger:  how are you doing?
[15:53] <cyberanger> not well, I shouldn't have stayed up all night (again)
[15:53] <cyberanger> just tired, but that's it
[15:55] <cyberanger> knocked out a bit of work on a few things, gotta stay up for another 3 or 4 hours, then I'll be out cold
[15:56] <wrst> yeah cyberanger you need to sleep on occassion :)
[16:14] <cyberanger> yeah, just on occassion, ugh
[16:23] <wrst> ha ha i kinda enjoy the whole sleep thing
[19:22] <Svpernova09> Hey netritious
[19:25] <wrst> hello Svpernova09 and netritious
[19:25] <Svpernova09> o.
[19:25] <Svpernova09> o/     rather
[19:48] <netritious> hey wrst, Svpernova09
[19:48] <netritious> what are you two up to?
[19:48] <wrst> monday of a short week netritious so i'm having fun and trying to fit a weeks worth of work into 3 days :)
[19:48] <wrst> how about you?
[19:50] <netritious> not much wrst...can't wait till Thu for that turkey and dressing!
[19:50] <Xpistos> so is Novell's sale a good thing or a bad one?
[19:51] <wrst> i love the dressing, i don't think so highly of the turkey :)
[19:51] <Svpernova09> Short work week, trying to be productive :_D
[19:54] <netritious> cool
[19:54] <netritious> Xpistos: not sure man...I had no idea Novell was considered so valuable
[19:55] <Xpistos> Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't novell hold a lot of valuable linux patents?
[19:55] <Xpistos> if that is true, according to the story, micrsoft is gong to buy several intellectual properties for 450 mill
[19:56] <Xpistos> that sounds not so good
[19:58] <netritious> I'm not sure Xpistos everything I've read seems to say that Suse will be kept separate, although nothing detailed described what 'keeping it separate' actually means
[19:58] <Xpistos> Attachmate says that it plans to operate Novell as two business units: Novel and SUSE and to join these with Attachmate and NetIQ, its other holdings. The completion of the acquisition is still subject to the usual regulatory conditions and to the approval of the stockholders.
[20:00] <netritious> I'm not to worried about it...I don't think the acquisition is going to change the landscape for Linux distributions as a whole
[20:01] <netritious> I do wonder what's going to happen to Mono though
[20:01] <netritious> which is the only free open source alternative to .NET
[20:16] <Xpistos> isn't  dot GNU the same too?
[20:19] <netritious> Xpistos: never heard of dot gnu
[20:32]  * cyberanger wishes he had a bigger hdd
[20:33] <cyberanger> kinda hard to apply https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror when the hdd is too small
[20:36] <cyberanger> so one project down, another two were sucessful today, one of which is done
[20:37] <cyberanger> netritious: have you ever thought of hosting a mirror?
[20:44]  * cyberanger seems to be missing all the activity lately
[20:47] <Xpistos> Non iPad tablet makers really fucked up this holiday
[20:47] <Xpistos> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/how-the-ipad-stole-androids-tablet-christmas/14753?tag=nl.e550
[20:48] <Xpistos> They could've made crazy money
[21:19] <netritious> cyberanger: I have
[21:20] <cyberanger> netritious: I started on that myself, but realized my drives are too small
[21:20] <cyberanger> did you actually do it, or just an idea?
[21:20] <netritious> it just depends on what you want to mirro...like I only mirror deb's and not src
[21:20] <netritious> yes I have a mirror for hardy and lucid
[21:21] <netritious> http://www.netritious.com/software/ubuntu/local-ubuntu-repository/
[21:23] <cyberanger> ah, yeah, that works (& probally could pass for what I'm really needing anyhow)
[21:25] <cyberanger> but what I'm wanting it'd be easier to setup apache2 & then run rsync twice, rsync://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu & rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:25] <cyberanger> becuase I do want it to be a public mirror, kinda have to do that
[21:25] <netritious> why are you making the mirror public?
[21:26] <netritious> and if you host a public mirror you should probably host src too
[21:27] <cyberanger> atm it boils down to most of my linux stunts, I know it works, I wanna see up close, or at least the more stubborn (& thankfully less common) idk, cause I can?
[21:28] <netritious> I was just curious :)
[21:28] <cyberanger> but later on (within a year) it'll help with some projects & after that I'll ship the drive to a remote place with alot of machines
[21:29] <cyberanger> oh, I wasn't saying that harshly, just explaining that sometimes I just feel like walking into a (metaphorical) minefield with no good reason why :-D
[21:29] <netritious> I didn't take it that way
[21:29] <Xpistos> Damn I can smell that turkey soup already!@
[21:30] <netritious> it's all good cyberanger ;)
[21:30] <netritious> brb
[21:31] <cyberanger> I know of a guy that is planing a coderspace in alaska, kinda remote in ISP terms (actually, more than isp terms) or some charities in Africa or Latin America
[21:31] <cyberanger> could be helpful with #swissknife-router
[21:32] <cyberanger> who knows, just a burning desire that isn't pointless, I'm just doing it irreguardless of the point ;-)
[21:34] <cyberanger> I like your setup (wasn't what I was expecting when I said mirror orignally) but for my uses I'm pretty much doing that with squid & ntp & cron
[22:00] <cyberanger> any way I look at it though, it will be useful
[22:01]  * cyberanger kicks ATF out of the channel with a full auto AK-74SU
[22:01] <Svpernova09> lol :_X
[22:02] <cyberanger> whata know, it worked better than expected
[22:02] <cyberanger> I was expecting ruby ridge