[03:14] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari and others
[04:01] <nuvolari> Kilos: môre oom
[04:02] <Kilos> more nuvolari gaan dit goed
[04:08] <nuvolari> ongelukkig nie oom :( Die projek waaraan ek werk kry my onder
[04:08] <Kilos> eish
[04:08] <Kilos> moed hou seun
[04:10] <corrie206> morning all
[04:11] <Kilos> morning corrie206 
[04:11] <nuvolari> ek probeer oom, moed wil my net nie meer hou nie :P
[04:11] <nuvolari> lo corrie206
[04:11] <nuvolari> ek moet gaan klaarmaak
[04:11] <nuvolari> tjirz
[04:11] <Kilos> verstaan jy dit net nie of is dit te veel werk?
[04:12] <Kilos> k
[05:08] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[05:08] <superfly> up *really* early this morning
[05:09] <Kilos> yeah debs gets home from work at out 5.30am today
[05:09] <Kilos> so i try be online
[05:09] <Kilos> gets/got/
[06:06] <nlsthzn> morning all
[06:06] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[06:07] <nlsthzn> Kilos: How are you? Did you attend the Ubuntu hour yesterday?
[06:08] <Kilos> nope. i kinda home bound. would have loved to meet the guys
[06:08] <Kilos> but thats life
[06:08] <nlsthzn> true
[06:08] <Kilos> how you doing
[06:14] <nlsthzn> ok, had two days off... four at work then I am on leave for a few weeks... can't wait :D
[06:14] <Kilos> great
[06:46] <Kilos> i have a small problem guys. kinda hard to explain but i will give an example
[06:47] <Kilos> often i find certain goodies are working as well as they should and if i go to synaptic and do a reinstall the it downloads a few k and all works again
[06:47] <Kilos> till i boot the next day
[06:48] <Kilos> seems like dpkg is installing to the front door but once the door is closed for the night it is forgotten
[06:49] <Kilos> i have found quite a few packages doing this. especially lib files
[06:50] <Kilos> might still be backlash from my chown fopar where tumbleweed  had to write me a script to get permissions back in order
[06:51] <Kilos> its like dpkg is allowed in to the kitchen from the back but not into the lounge
[06:52] <Kilos> if that makes sense
[06:58] <Vhata> 'faux pas'  :P
[06:59] <Kilos> yip. massive one
[07:00]  * nlsthzn is confused (nothing new)
[07:01] <Kilos> you were gone
[07:02] <Kilos> why you confussed now
[07:03] <nlsthzn> just catching the last of your conversation with Vhata and it makes no sense :p not that it should I guess :D
[07:04] <Kilos> you were offline for the start
[07:04] <Kilos> i will paste it
[07:04] <Kilos> its like spam
[07:05] <nlsthzn> no need :)
[07:05] <Vhata> he wasn't offline
[07:05] <Vhata> 08:49 -!- nlsthzn [c3e5f236@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.229.242.54] has joined #ubuntu-za
[07:05] <Vhata> 08:50 <Kilos> might still be backlash from my chown fopar where tumbleweed  had to write me a script to get permissions back in order
[07:06] <Vhata> you spelt it 'fopar'.  It's "faux pas", borrowed from French
[07:06] <nlsthzn> got that bit...
[07:06] <Vhata> Maaz: translate faux pas
[07:06] <Maaz> Vhata: stumble
[07:06] <Vhata> literally means "don't do"
[07:06] <Kilos> oh sorry
[07:06] <nlsthzn> ah
[07:06] <nlsthzn> silly french
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz, define faux pas
[07:07] <Maaz> Kilos: faux pas \faux` pas"\ (f[=o]` p[.a]"). [F. See {False}, and {Pas}.] A false step; a mistake or wrong measure; especially, a slip or misstep in social etiquette; a blunder in conduct or manners that causes embarassment; as, he committed the faux pas of mentioning John's former wife. [1913 Webster +PJC], faux pas n 1: a socially awkward or tactless act [syn: {faux pas}, {gaffe}, {solecism}, {slip}, {gaucherie}]
[07:08] <nlsthzn> I made a faux pas :D
[07:08] <Kilos> i also made a faux pas
[07:08] <nlsthzn> I should go away before you taunt me a second time
[07:10] <Kilos> here is the link for the clever fellas that are here yet
[07:10] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s206tIvvZw
[07:10] <Kilos> reinstalling lucid is not an option
[07:12] <nlsthzn> hmmm I am too much of a noob to know :/ I usually re-install if all else fails (but you say it is'nt an option)
[07:13] <Kilos> yeah bandwidth
[07:13] <Kilos> or i would have done it when i made the "Faux Pas" goodie
[07:13] <Kilos> hehe
[07:13] <nlsthzn> gotcha... SA needs a few good internet cafe's... one thing that is good in UAE, enough cheap net cafe's
[07:23] <oomkoos> morning people 
[07:24] <Kilos> morning oomkoos 
[07:24] <oomkoos> how you Kilos?
[07:24] <Kilos> well ty, and you
[07:24] <oomkoos> good thanks. Monday though.. ugh..
[07:24] <Kilos> lol
[07:25] <nlsthzn> lol, here monday is tuesday
[07:26] <oomkoos> lol closer to Friday then for you
[07:31] <confluency> Morning
[07:31] <Kilos> hi confluency 
[07:38] <nlsthzn> working shifts I guess the allure of friday or the bane that is monday doesn't affect me
[07:39] <nlsthzn> confluency: Hi :)
[09:51] <Kilos> what i missed. storm killed connection
[10:05] <inetpro> hiho
[10:05]  * inetpro wondering what to get for lunch
[11:18]  * inetpro enjoyed an incredible Kentucky Tower meal
[11:19] <Vhata> bad idea.
[11:20] <inetpro> Vhata: well with the massive shower of rain that we just got maybe I should have gone out to buy this a long time ago
[11:21] <Vhata> inetpro: read the last ten tweets on http://twitter.com/vhata (from the bottom up)
[11:24]  * inetpro not sure I understand Vhata's point
[11:24] <Vhata> what did you learn from the tweets?
[11:25] <inetpro> Vhata: they don't really look relevant to me
[11:25] <Vhata> you didn't answer my question
[11:26] <inetpro> 1st one being http://twitter.com/vhata/status/2329194595885056
[11:27] <Vhata> no, tenth from the top is:
[11:27] <Vhata> Maaz: http://twitter.com/#!/vhata/status/6404651356262400
[11:27] <Maaz> Vhata: Huh?
[11:27] <Vhata> Maaz: http://twitter.com/vhata/status/6404651356262400
[11:27] <Maaz> Vhata: vhata: "The Searing Pains would be a good name for a band if they weren't what I was having in my stomach/chest right now."
[11:27] <inetpro> ahh
[11:27] <Vhata> inetpro: I was in agony all weekend, just been to the doctor, and he thinks it's gallstones
[11:27] <Vhata> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholecystectomy
[11:28] <inetpro> eish
[11:28] <Vhata> "Numerous small gallstones, composed largely of cholesterol"
[11:28] <Vhata> enjoy your Kentucky Tower Meal?  :P
[11:29] <Kilos> Vhata, you need another doctor
[11:29] <Kilos> he thinks it's gallstones
[11:30] <Kilos> they can scan and tell you exactly whats up
[11:30] <Vhata> you think I should keep going to different doctors until one diagnoses "the sniffles"?
[11:30] <Kilos> no man that ultrasound thing can see stones
[11:30] <Vhata> yes, I'm having one of those at 3pm
[11:30] <Kilos> ah
[11:31] <inetpro> Vhata: yep I really enjoyed that meal, fortunately I do not have it every day
[11:32] <inetpro> Vhata: but man, I'm sorry to hear about your pains
[11:32] <inetpro> hope they can help you
[11:32] <Kilos> they can cut and remove or shatter them with lazer or something i think
[11:33] <Vhata> heh, thanks
[11:33] <Kilos> not pleasant
[11:33] <Kilos> good luck. hope its not too serious
[11:34] <Kilos> somewhere inna back of head htere is a niggling thought that you can eat or drink something to help them dissolve
[11:34] <Kilos> will ask sis when she gets home
[11:35] <Kilos> maybe i thinking of kidney stones
[11:36] <Kilos> dont wanna make another fopar ( faux pas)
[11:38] <nlsthzn> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODgwMQ linus is a bit miffed :)
[12:00] <Kilos> Vhata, if it is gall stones you can eat lots of radishes. 2 to three bunches a day
[12:00] <Kilos> and red grapes
[12:00] <Vhata> and sweet potato for HIV?
[12:00] <nlsthzn> lifeboy soap
[12:00] <Kilos> lol
[12:01] <Kilos> no man im serious
[12:01] <Kilos> within 3 weeks they will be gone
[12:02] <Kilos> my maverick cd has arrived from shipit
[12:02] <Kilos> yoo hoo
[12:05] <nlsthzn> sweet
[12:45]  * inetpro loves sweet potato
[12:53]  * nlsthzn does his best Vanilla Ice impersination "Go ninja go ninja go! Go ninja go ninja go. Go! Go! Go!"
[13:51] <Cantide> '<
[13:52] <Kilos> '<
[13:52] <Cantide> hi
[13:52] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[13:52] <Kilos> afternoon
[13:52] <Cantide> it's either pacman, or biting
[13:52] <Kilos> dont bite. it hurts
[13:53] <Cantide> oh ._.
[13:53] <Kilos> lol howzit
[13:53] <Cantide> good good '<
[13:53] <Cantide> avoiding work by using IRC
[13:53] <Cantide> u?
[13:53] <nlsthzn> lol
[13:54] <Kilos> i live here
[13:56] <Cantide> :p
[13:56] <Cantide> hey nlsthzn
[13:56] <nlsthzn> hello Cantide, how are you?
[13:57] <Cantide> alright...
[13:57]  * Cantide checks limbs
[13:58] <Cantide> yep, quite well
[13:58] <Cantide> yourself?
[13:58] <nlsthzn> all limbs acounted for too :)
[13:58] <Cantide> aah '<
[13:58] <Cantide> suddenly i have a question '<
[13:58] <Cantide> does anyone here use pidgin for YM / MSN ?
[13:58] <Cantide> mine seems to be broken :|
[13:59] <Cantide> perhaps i just need a new version '<
[13:59] <Kilos> yip
[13:59] <Kilos> i pidgin lots
[13:59] <Cantide> '<
[13:59] <Kilos> there is also #pidgin but you wait some there
[14:00] <Kilos> whats the prob Cantide 
[14:01] <Cantide> it won't connect to YM or MSN anymore
[14:01] <Cantide> i know it's been fixed for YM in newer versions
[14:01] <Kilos> i use pidgin for msn aim mxit and gtalk
[14:01] <Cantide> but my MSN just broke recently
[14:01] <Cantide> yeah, mine still works fine for gtalk :)
[14:01] <Kilos> did you try a reinstall in synaptic
[14:02] <nlsthzn> only reason I used to use pidgin was for mxit... now no more need... not that empathy is brilliant or anything but it works
[14:02] <Kilos> or another msn address
[14:02] <Kilos> empathy doesnt have otr nlsthzn 
[14:02] <nlsthzn> otr?
[14:02] <Kilos> off the record or private
[14:03] <Kilos> its a pidgin special
[14:03] <Kilos> works better than otr on irc
[14:03] <nlsthzn> oh... k, never needed it before I guess
[14:04] <Kilos> good not to have secrets
[14:04] <Kilos> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> methinks its good for spies
[14:05] <Cantide> :D
[14:05] <Cantide> sounds good for me :)
[14:05] <Kilos> and clandestine ops
[14:05] <Cantide> let me play with synaptic a bit and try a reinstall
[14:05] <Kilos> good luck
[14:06] <Kilos> i hate it when things break on thier own
[14:06] <Kilos> but msn has been giving probs for 3 days
[14:06] <Kilos> had to use 3 accounts at times before one would get in
[14:08] <Cantide> .-.
[14:08] <Cantide> how do i reinstall it there? i want to get a newer version than the one currently installed .-.
[14:09] <Cantide> meh
[14:09] <Cantide> i marked it for upgrade
[14:09] <Cantide> but the dependencies failed :@
[14:09] <Kilos> for a newer version you need to install the ppa but i dunno how to get that
[14:09] <Kilos> we ask maaz
[14:10] <Kilos> Maaz, google ppa for pidgin
[14:10] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download Pidgin for Ubuntu" http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/ :: "#11081 ("Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin ..." http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/11081 :: "#10312 (PPA key should be available for download) – Pidgin – Trac" http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/10312 :: "PPA by Pidgin Developers : “Pidgin Developers” team" https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-developers/+archive/ppa/?field.series_filter=jaunty :: "Pa
[14:10] <Cantide> heh
[14:12]  * Cantide does some browsing
[14:12] <Kilos> k
[14:13] <Cantide> i'll download it if it's not too big
[14:13] <Kilos> it was a tiny file that makes pidgin updateable if i member right
[14:16] <Cantide> yeah
[14:16] <Cantide> i see that now
[14:16] <Kilos> oh and to reinstall in synaptic you tick on the little block next to pidgin and you get options to reinstall or remove etc
[14:16] <Cantide> and when i install it, it says that i already have it installed
[14:16] <Kilos> lol
[14:17] <nlsthzn> :/ Novell has finally accepted a bid for it to be bought... and Microsoft has also gotten there grubby fingers in the pie...
[14:17] <Kilos> then you can also go
[14:17] <Kilos> um
[14:17] <Kilos> er
[14:17] <Kilos> sudo aptitude pidgin install
[14:18] <Kilos> wht nlsthzn 
[14:18] <Kilos> what
[14:18] <nlsthzn> could also always first remove it from SC and then re-install pidgin
[14:18] <nlsthzn> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/novell-agrees-to-be-acquired-by-attachmate-corporation-for-610-per-share-in-cash-109868319.html
[14:19] <Kilos> if i remember the install with aptitude is also an update command
[14:19] <Cantide> aptitude == apt get ?
[14:20] <confluency> No, but aptitude ~ apt-get.
[14:20] <Cantide> :D
[14:20] <Cantide> what he said '<
[14:21] <confluency> Some would say that aptitude > apt-get.
[14:21] <LordCow> aptitude > apt-get
[14:21] <Cantide> I can't seem to update it either way - something about dependencies not being able to be installed :|
[14:21] <confluency> Like LordCow, for example.
[14:21] <Cantide> I see that :D
[14:21] <confluency> What is the exact error?
[14:21] <LordCow> luls
[14:21]  * confluency scrolls up
[14:22] <Cantide> pidgin FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU '<
[14:22] <Cantide> let me try Empathy instead then :D
[14:22] <confluency> Oh, pidgin.
[14:22] <confluency> Um, what have you tried so far?
[14:22] <Kilos> Cantide, does a reinstall in synaptic also give the dependancies prob
[14:22] <Cantide> well, that ppa
[14:22] <Cantide> and i tried to update in synaptic
[14:22] <confluency> What PPA, and what error did you get?
[14:23] <Cantide> i have an update, remove etc. but no 'reinstall' in synaptic
[14:23] <confluency> Use apt-get or aptitude so we can actually see an error message.
[14:23] <Kilos> do update
[14:24] <Cantide> hold on, i tried update manager again and it's now updating other stuff... like flash :|
[14:25] <Kilos> in update manager you have the choice what you want to update
[14:25] <Cantide> oh, it says "Failed to detect distribution" o_O
[14:25] <Kilos> just untick what you dont
[14:25] <Cantide> yeah, i saw that, but there is too much to untick
[14:26] <Kilos> dont want
[14:26] <Cantide> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin-developers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pidgin/libpurple-bin_2.7.0-0ubuntu1.1~pidgin1.09.04_all.deb
[14:26] <Cantide>   404 Not Found
[14:26] <Cantide> seems i have a broken link somewhere '<
[14:26] <drubin> Maaz: get http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin-developers/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pidgin/libpurple-bin_2.7.0-0ubuntu1.1~pidgin1.09.04_all.deb
[14:26] <Maaz> drubin: 404 Not Found "404 Not Found"
[14:26] <drubin> Cantide: do sudo apt-get update
[14:26] <Cantide> okay
[14:27] <drubin> Cantide: that package doesn't exsist because it has been replaced by another new one :)
[14:27] <confluency> Did you do apt-get update?
[14:27] <Cantide> yeah
[14:27] <Cantide> just did it
[14:28] <confluency> Now try apt-get install pidgin.
[14:28] <Cantide> okay, now all i have in update manager is opera lol
[14:28] <Cantide> no more pidgin there '<
[14:28] <Cantide> i'll try that '<
[14:28] <Cantide> pidgin is already the newest version.
[14:28] <Cantide> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[14:28] <Cantide> lies :O
[14:30] <Cantide> pidgin is version 2.5.5, is that the newest one?
[14:30] <Cantide> i should have checked the version before i started doing all this :|
[14:30] <Kilos> 2.6.6
[14:31] <confluency> Did you definitely run apt-get update?
[14:32] <confluency> And is the PPA definitely added?
[14:32] <Cantide> that's what it tells me
[14:32] <confluency> Do you see lines for it in the update output?
[14:32] <Cantide> yep
[14:32] <Cantide> i'll run it again if you like and pastebin it
[14:32] <confluency> What ubuntu version are you running, and what architecture?
[14:32] <Cantide> 9.04 ._.
[14:32] <Cantide> x86
[14:34] <Cantide> updating software sources now...
[14:34] <drubin> 9.04 is unsupported
[14:34] <Cantide> oh, then that's why i'm having trouble :p
[14:35] <confluency> Yes, this PPA has no Jaunty packages.
[14:35] <drubin> confluency: You need to upgrade to karmic or lucid
[14:35] <drubin> Cantide: ^
[14:35] <Cantide> not so easy when on a Vodacom HSDPA connection
[14:35] <Cantide> data is expensive
[14:35] <Cantide> and canonical won't give me another free CD :p
[14:36] <Kilos> Cantide, where are, you
[14:36] <Cantide> Durban
[14:36] <confluency> Jaunty is pretty stale.
[14:36] <Cantide> yep
[14:36] <confluency> You should be able to find someone who can get you a free or cheap DVD.
[14:36] <Cantide> looks like i'll have to live without IM until I get 10.10 or so '<
[14:36] <drubin> nuvolari: ping
[14:37] <Cantide> well, i have a friend with uncapped, and i asked him to download it for me...
[14:37] <drubin> Maaz: get ubuntu
[14:37] <Maaz> drubin: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "Ubuntu homepage | Ubuntu"
[14:37] <Cantide> but he is being slack -_-;
[14:37] <drubin> Cantide: http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[14:37] <drubin> try that OR try the mailing list I am sure some one will be willing to help you out
[14:38] <Kilos> thanks for the help drubin confluency 
[14:38] <Kilos> i get lost when things dont work
[14:38] <drubin> Kilos: No worries you have come a long way since you started.
[14:39] <Kilos> will a lot of help from my friends here
[14:39] <Kilos> ty
[14:40] <drubin> Vhata: :( hope you feel better and your stuff gets sorted.
[14:40] <Cantide> thanks everyone '<
[14:40] <Cantide> drubin, it seems no one in Durban likes Ubuntu :D
[14:41] <Kilos> Cantide, come back with feedback
[14:41] <Cantide> anyway, i'll pester my aforementioned friend :p
[14:41] <drubin> Cantide: what is '< never seen it before
[14:41] <Cantide> Cantide '<
[14:41] <Cantide> Kilos '<
[14:41] <Cantide> Cantide hi
[14:41] <Cantide> Kilos whatever that might be
[14:41] <Cantide> Kilos afternoon
[14:41] <Cantide> Cantide it's either pacman, or biting
[14:41] <Cantide> Kilos dont bite. it hurts
[14:41] <Cantide> sorry, it's a habit i have from using Operanet...
[14:41] <Kilos> lol
[14:42] <Kilos> um also Cantide how come you dont order cds from shipit.ubuntu.com
[14:43] <Kilos> thats where i get mine
[14:43] <drubin> why wont they send you another one?
[14:43] <Cantide> i tried once, it refused the credit card details, so i got worried and never tried again lol
[14:43] <Kilos> strange that
[14:43] <Cantide> drubin, i have already received one ( 9.04 )
[14:43] <Kilos> i get evry new release from them
[14:43] <drubin> Cantide: You can ask for another one
[14:43] <Cantide> it was also my dad's CC
[14:44] <drubin> CC?
[14:44] <Cantide> so i'd rather not mess it up :p
[14:44] <Cantide> credit card
[14:44]  * Cantide is a lazy typer
[14:44] <drubin> you don't pay for shipit.com
[14:44] <Kilos> you dont need cc at shipit Cantide 
[14:44] <Cantide> oh, i must be thinking of the canonical site then
[14:45] <drubin> We can send you a CD free of charge, but it will take from six to ten weeks to deliver, so you may prefer to download the CD image and record it yourself. 
[14:45] <Kilos> sometimes they arrive in three weeks
[14:45] <confluency> Cantide: https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-developers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1136979/+listing-archive-extra
[14:46] <confluency> I think you can download the old packages from an archive; they're linked on that page.
[14:46] <Cantide> drubin, at the price of data, it's not practical to download
[14:46] <confluency> You can try downloading and saving them, and installing with dpkg.
[14:46] <drubin> Cantide: I know. I was suggesting "we can send you a cd free of charge"
[14:46] <Cantide> ^^;
[14:47]  * Cantide has a look at shipit
[14:47] <Cantide> confluency, thanks, i'll try :)
[14:48] <drubin> where do we report bugs against shipit.ubuntu.com ?
[14:49] <drubin> nvm
[14:49] <Cantide> "Already received too many shipments" lol
[14:49] <Cantide> 1 == too many -_-;
[14:50] <Kilos> no man i get every release from shipit
[14:50] <Cantide> :o
[14:50] <Cantide> shipit has favouritism built in :D
[14:50] <Kilos> hehe
[14:51] <Kilos> cantide ask on the lists there must be someone near you
[14:52] <Cantide> k
[14:52] <Cantide> i still think it's easier to ask my friend to download it...
[14:52] <Cantide> i'll see him on Saturday
[14:52] <Cantide> so i'll pester him about it then :D
[14:52] <Kilos> yes if he will
[14:52] <Cantide> he said he would, but i told him it's not urgent
[14:52] <Cantide> now i decided that it is :D
[14:52] <Kilos> just make sure he gets the image i think its called
[14:53] <Cantide> yip
[14:53] <Kilos> i have never done it. also got bandwidth probs
[14:54] <Kilos> so i use shipit and they send every time
[14:54] <Cantide> i think he's downloaded before - but an older version obviously
[14:54] <confluency> If he has unlimited bandwidth, get the DVD.
[14:54] <Kilos> since 9.04
[14:54] <confluency> I've found that the torrent is pretty fast.
[14:54] <Cantide> maybe i should create a new launchpad account ._.
[14:54] <Cantide> confluency, from the canonical site??
[14:55] <confluency> Yes, they have an official torrent.  They've had it for a while.
[14:55] <confluency> You can leverage the excellent bandwidth of nice people in Russia.
[14:56] <Cantide> cool
[14:56] <Cantide> i'll tell him that '<
[14:57] <Cantide> afk for a while
[14:57] <Cantide> thanks for the help everyone :)
[14:57] <Kilos> yw sorry it didnt work
[14:57] <Kilos> good luck
[14:58] <Cantide> ^^
[15:20] <Kilos> hi maiatoday 
[15:20] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[15:20] <maiatoday> how are things
[15:20] <Kilos> well ty and you?
[15:21] <maiatoday> great thanks
[15:21] <drubin> Just reported my first (and confirmed) but against shipit.ubuntu.com
[15:21] <maiatoday> hey drubin
[15:22] <maiatoday> shipit bug?
[15:23] <maiatoday> hey! is that a gcal plugin I see on ubuntu-za.org
[15:23] <maiatoday> woohoo
[16:10] <drubin> maiatoday: Hope you don't mind me forwarding your email to the loco
[17:52] <Pauly> hello
[17:52] <Maaz> Pauly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell pauly sorry we missed you. It is very quiet here over weekends" 2 months, 4 days, 5 hours, 35 minutes and 40 seconds ago
[17:52] <Pauly> where is everyone?
[17:52] <Pauly> yes.
[17:52] <Pauly> anyone who is in cape town?
[17:54] <Pauly> anyone who is in  cape town to offer me training for web design and maintenance?
[17:59] <Vhata> that's quite a big ask
[17:59] <Vhata> the best way is to just start doing it yourself
[17:59] <Cantide> yeah, i taught myself in a few months
[17:59] <Cantide> web dev is relatively simple
[18:00] <Vhata> heh
[18:00] <Vhata> is it really?
[18:01] <Cantide> that really depends how good you want to become :p
[18:01] <Cantide> you could still make something knowing only the basics
[18:01] <Vhata> well that's true of mechanics, cooking, juggling or anything else, so it's not actually really saying anything
[18:02] <Cantide> no one starts with the advanced stuff
[18:03] <Vhata> no, they don't.  But don't say "webdev is simple", because it's not.
[18:03] <Cantide> to each their own
[18:03] <Vhata> ... really?
[18:04] <Vhata> Cantide: I run the servers for yola.com.  We have four million users - our data is in the terabytes, and it needs to be indexed and searched and accessed on the fly, not to mention backed up in an easily restorable way.
[18:04] <Vhata> We need to write software that can run on multiple concurrent servers, because one server cannot handle the load
[18:05] <Cantide> that is not the web dev he was asking about, i'm sure
[18:05] <Vhata> so we have to worry about concurrency and consistency and atomic operations
[18:05] <Cantide> one person wouldn't just ask about a task like that when he is just starting off
[18:05] <Vhata> don't say "webdev is simple".
[18:05] <Vhata> "making a simple thing is simple", yes.  Duh.  Making toast is simple.
[18:06] <Cantide> someone who says "I want to learn how to cook" doesn't expect to make a gourmet meal for 100
[18:06] <Vhata> I get that, you don't need to keep repeating that.
[18:07] <Vhata> But don't say "oh, cooking is easy", because it's not.
[18:07] <Vhata> Say "getting started is easy, and you hsould be on your first legs in a short while, and you can build from there"
[18:07] <Vhata> also, Pauly didn't ask about web dev, he asked about web design.
[18:09] <charlvn> the term "web dev" is so diluted it's almost as bad as "cloud computing" or "web 2.0"
[18:09] <charlvn> it can describe anything from doing basic html/css to writing complicated backends
[18:18] <drubin> charlvn: cloud computer is worse then web 2.0
[18:19] <charlvn> drubin: agreed, and web 3.0 is even worse than cloud computing :)
[18:22] <drubin> charlvn: *nothing* beats "mobile web" imho
[18:25] <charlvn> drubin: for sure! after all, the "normal" web got too old, now we need a new, totally separate one!
[18:25] <drubin> charlvn: A new "mobile web" "4g" on our new "cloud servers" 
[18:26] <charlvn> drubin: that settles it, we're moving straight into the marketing department! gonna introduce this new awesome technology to the world!
[18:32] <Pauly> okay
[18:38] <Pauly> okay
[18:40] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:40] <charlvn> 'eve magespawn 
[18:41] <magespawn> we have not met before
[18:43] <magespawn> have we?
[18:43] <charlvn> probably not, pleased to be introduced :)
[18:45] <magespawn> indeed. ;)
[19:48] <inetpro> heh charlvn, good to see you here
[19:48] <inetpro> Vhata: you talking to us from the hospital?
[19:49] <charlvn> inetpro: hey :)
[20:44] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:44] <wedwo-> Nag Oompie, lekker doedoes!
[20:44] <Kilos> dankie meneer
[22:00] <nuvolari> fp