[17:55] <persia> Hey.  I just stumbled into #edubuntu-devel, which seems to have been unused for a couple years :)  Is this also the right forum for development questions?
[18:23] <stgraber> persia: yes, we only use #edubuntu nowadays
[18:32] <highvoltage> hmm, daily builds are broken because of:
[18:32] <highvoltage> The following packages have unmet dependencies: sabayon : Depends: gdm3 but it is not installable
[18:32] <highvoltage> E: Broken packages
[18:32] <stgraber> fun
[18:34] <highvoltage> sbalneav: does sabayon actually need gdm3 or would it be fine with gdm as well? I'll check with the desktop team anyway to see what the plan is for gsm in natty
[18:34] <highvoltage> *gdm
[18:37] <highvoltage> seb128 says that gdm 2.30 = gdm3 as it exists in debian, so we should patch it
[18:57] <ball> Is there a good book on Edubuntu?
[18:58] <highvoltage> ball: unfortunately not
[18:58] <ball> Oh well.  Can't put that on my Christmas list then.
[18:58] <highvoltage> :(
[18:58] <highvoltage> hopefully next Christmas?
[18:58] <ball> Perhaps :-)
[18:59] <ball> Is it common (usual?) to configure one Ethernet interface for connection to the outside world and another for a LAN with graphical terminals on it?
[18:59] <persia> stgraber, Ah, thanks.  I'm collecting data on installation targets for each flavour.  Which are you guys planning to release with Natty?
[18:59] <highvoltage> very common
[19:00] <highvoltage> ball: it's how our default installation works if you choose to install ltsp from the installer
[19:00] <ball> highvoltage: That's convenient.
[19:01] <ball> highvoltage: does it ask me which interface is which?
[19:01] <highvoltage> ball: it asks you which interface you want ltsp to 'listen' on, by default it selects eth1
[19:02] <ball> 'listen' for terminals?
[19:02] <highvoltage> ball: it also shows you which interface is currently connected, so the connected one will have gotten a dhcp address somewhere, so you can use the unused one for ltsp
[19:03] <highvoltage> ball: well, listen for dhcp requests, etc (but yes)
[19:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: Rejected:
[19:18] <highvoltage> Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main'.
[19:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: isn't sabayon part of the edubuntu-dev packageset?
[19:31] <ubuntuuser> hello.. i have a kingston dt/16gb flash drive that is recognized but keeps saying to format it
[19:32] <stgraber> persia: sorry, had a couple of meetings. What do you mean by installation targets ? architecture, kind of machine (laptop, netbook, ...) ?
[19:32] <persia> somewhere between architecture and subarchitecture.
[19:33] <persia> So, for maverick, You released i386, amd64, but not amd64+mac or any other architecture.
[19:33] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: does it use the ntfs filesystem?
[19:35] <ball> brb, toast
[19:36] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage: can't seem to put any FS on it
[19:37] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: what happens?
[19:37] <stgraber> persia: I'd guess we'll stick to i386 and amd64. Possibly amd64+mac though I only discovered about this sub-architecture a minute ago when you mentioned it ;)
[19:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: me too :)
[19:37] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage: i have even tried to use test disk
[19:38] <persia> I don't know if we'll need that for natty: depends on whether the installer can be made to cope.  Who is the best contact to confirm the images are tested at each milestone?
[19:38] <stgraber> persia: highvoltage and I
[19:39] <persia> Both of you are required to ack, or either of you?
[19:39] <stgraber> either
[19:39] <stgraber> we are usually next to each other (at work or back home) so, no need to poke both of us ;)
[19:39] <persia> Thanks.  I'll report that, and if there are other x86 installation targets for natty, I'll let you know.
[19:40] <stgraber> great, thanks
[19:40] <highvoltage> well, not *always* next to each other at home (just for the record!)
[19:40] <stgraber> hehe :)
[19:41] <ubuntuuser> is there a channel for usb flash drive support?
[19:41]  * persia departs before reading more disturbing things
[19:42] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: #ubuntu might be of some use, the more details you can provide, the better though
[19:42] <ubuntuuser> my poor 16gb drive is unusable
[19:43] <ball> ubuntuuser: Does it have at least one partition on it?  With a filesystem?
[19:43] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: that's terrible.
[19:44] <ubuntuuser> ball: no ..
[19:45] <ball> ubuntuuser: Can you create one?
[19:45] <ubuntuuser> it's a new  drive and i have succesfully saved files on it and it was fine but now i check it and there is no partition
[19:46] <ubuntuuser> ball: no i cannot.. i have tried fdisk in linux terminal and assigned partitions but when i "w" out it won't write to the disk
[19:47] <ubuntuuser> but when i "v" verify it it shows the partition
[19:47] <ubuntuuser> but then won't write when i "w" out
[19:47] <ball> It shows the one you created, or the one that was originally on there?
[19:47] <ubuntuuser> the one i created
[19:48] <ubuntuuser> start sector 1 and end sector 16000
[19:50] <ball> ubuntuuser: Can you newfs/mkfs it?
[19:50] <ball> (Whatever the Linuxese is for that ;-)
[19:51] <ubuntuuser> i tried mkfs .. but it won't put the file system on it
[19:51] <ball> Perhaps it's broken.
[19:52] <ubuntuuser> it's brand new
[19:52] <ball> Perhaps it's broken.
[19:52] <ubuntuuser> just used it a few times
[19:52] <ubuntuuser> hmm
[19:52] <ball> Try formatting it on a nearby Mac or PC
[19:52] <ball> ...see if that helps.
[19:57] <ubuntuuser> yep.. i tried on xp, vista, linux .. backtrack, systemrescuecd, ..
[19:57] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: no one will be able to help you unless you paste the error message or what actually goes wrong
[19:58] <ball> ubuntuuser: If it won't format on Windows or Linux, it's broken.  If it's new, return it to the vendor.
[19:58] <ball> If it's old, throw it away.
[19:58] <ubuntuuser> ok.. let me gather the info.. coz i only have 2 usb working on this machine
[19:58] <ubuntuuser> its brand new
[19:58] <ubuntuuser> kingston datatraveler dt\16gb
[19:59] <ubuntuuser> dt100
[20:10] <ubuntuuser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/535640/
[20:11] <ubuntuuser> ball: , highvoltage  as you can see from this pastebin that when i finalize with "w" to write and quit  the partition is no written
[20:12] <ball> Oh that's weird: I wonder why Linux fdisk calls it a disklabel.
[20:15] <ubuntuuser> ball: . so.... what do you think is happening
[20:15] <ball> ubuntuuser: try u, to create it in sectors.  Have it start at sector 32 and end at...
[20:16] <ubuntuuser> i even used the t parameter to change to FAT32  but it is just not writing to the disk.. and i checked the "dmesg" and the disk is not write protected
[20:16] <ball> ...make it 3,275,780 sectors long
[20:16] <ball> ...and try making it ext3 instead of DOS
[20:16] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: I'd suggest you try it with cfdisk -z on that disk and see if that works
[20:17] <ball> Hang on, that can't be right
[20:17] <ubuntuuser> i've tried the "u" parameter and also the ext2, ext3, and others.. it just won't write to disk
[20:17]  * ball is confused
[20:17] <ubuntuuser> :-)
[20:18] <ball> Start: 32
[20:18] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage: i have not tried the cfdisk
[20:18] <ubuntuuser> k
[20:18] <ball> Size: 32,767,968 sectors
[20:19] <ball> Hello HedgeMage
[20:19] <HedgeMage> hi :)
[20:19] <ball> I suspect you're overwriting your MBR
[20:20] <ball> ...because you didn't leave space for it
[20:20] <ubuntuuser> ok
[20:20] <ball> ...depending on how Linux fdisk counts cylinders
[20:20] <ball> ...which is another reason to use sectors.
[20:20] <ball> (u command)
[20:21] <ubuntuuser> let me try that
[20:23]  * ball waves dd, menacingly.
[20:29] <ubuntuuser> ball.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/535642/
[20:30] <ubuntuuser> just won't write
[20:31] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: sorry for stating the obvious, but have you checked if it has a write-protect button and if it's enabled?
[20:32] <ubuntuuser> no button.. it just slides out of the case..  and i checked dmesg and the write protection is "off"
[20:33] <ubuntuuser> i have written to this disk b4 sucessfully
[20:34] <ubuntuuser> i mean disk=drive
[20:35] <ubuntuuser> ball, highvoltage  i have to leave for an hour.. i'll be back. thanks for all the help
[20:36] <ball> ubuntuuser: you didn't write a filesystem on it
[20:36] <ball> ...and it looks as though TestDisk blatted your partition
[20:37] <ball> Why not simply create the partition (looks like you did that part right) and then newfs it?
[20:37] <ball> (mkfs, whatever Linux calls that)
[20:37] <ball> mkext3fs ?
[20:38]  * ball doesn't have a Linux box handy to check that on
[20:38] <highvoltage> ball: the usb creator tool can take care of that as well
[20:40] <ball> highvoltage: I'm not familiar with that.
[20:48] <ball> I think he created a perfectly good partition and then ruined it before even making a filesystem on it.
[20:50]  * ball shrugs
[20:58] <ball> hello JanC!
[20:59] <ball> brb
[21:01] <ball> I'd best go to work I suppose.
[21:32] <ubuntuuser> ball, highvoltage hello i'm back
[21:33] <ubuntuuser> when i "w" out and try mkfs i get some kind of an error
[21:33] <highvoltage> wb ubuntuuser
[21:33] <ubuntuuser> says the disk has to be partitioned first..
[21:33] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage: thanks
[21:33] <ubuntuuser> :)
[21:34] <ubuntuuser> even though i just partitioned it and the fs states "83" which is a LInux fs
[21:34] <ubuntuuser> then i tried "t" to change to "b" which is FAT32
[21:35] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: what's the exact mkfs command you use?
[21:35] <ubuntuuser> but can't get past the error
[21:35] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: it's possible that you specified the disk instead of the partition
[21:35] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: the disk will look something like /dev/sdc and the partition will be something like /dev/sdc1
[21:36] <ubuntuuser> when you type "mkfs /dev/sdf" it gives the option
[21:36] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: you'll have to use sdf1 instead of sdf to create a filesystem on a partition
[21:36] <ubuntuuser> but when i type "mkfs /dev/sdf1" it states there is no partion
[21:36] <ubuntuuser> partition
[21:37] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: does cat /proc/partitions list the partition?
[21:37] <ubuntuuser> i din't try that command but i went backc into fdisk and "p" to list the partions and there is no partition
[21:38] <ubuntuuser> even though i just partitioned it
[21:38] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: and have you tried cfdisk -z on that disk as I've suggested before?
[21:38] <ubuntuuser> no .. that one thing i am not familiar with
[21:39] <ubuntuuser> shall i try that
[21:39] <ubuntuuser> ?
[21:41] <highvoltage> ubuntuuser: Yes.
[21:50] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage: how do i specify start sector and end sector in "sudo cfdisk -z /dev/sdf"?
[22:04] <ubuntuuser> hello
[22:05] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage:
[22:05] <ubuntuuser> highvoltage: are you there?
[22:06] <ubuntuuser> i am probably doing something wrong on command line but i am wondering why  it is not working in "disk utility"
[22:08] <ubuntuuser> ok.. i'll check with you later....
[22:08] <ubuntuuser> thanks for all your   help
[22:11] <highvoltage> oops, missed him