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Riddellgroovy, kde4libs compiled00:30
ScottKRiddell: Did you see the new tarball?00:31
RiddellScottK: nope, yet to look at my e-mail this evening00:34
nigelbevening..00:34
Riddellhi nigelb 00:36
nigelbRiddell: Heya :)00:37
Riddellgosh this is a messy beta release00:39
Riddellnew tar compiling00:51
freeflyingRiddell: git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/nihui/kndesktop git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/nihui/knpanel00:54
DarkwingDuckhey Riddell 00:54
Riddellfreeflying: what's that?00:55
Riddellevening DarkwingDuck 00:55
freeflyingRiddell: a lightweight desktop and panel 00:55
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claydoh|werkDarkwingDuck: any traction from your kubuntu-users and kubuntuforums posts?01:08
DarkwingDuckA couple01:08
claydoh|werkDarkwingDuck: i am a willing minion as well, tho depending on the task I may need assistance01:08
DarkwingDuckwith documentation or other?01:08
claydoh|werkdocmentation I know squat, other things i would need less learning. such as a help.kubuntu.org01:10
claydoh|werkbut even tho I feel like and old fart I can still try to learn things01:10
DarkwingDuckHehehe01:12
DarkwingDuckclaydoh|werk: I'm still figureing out what we need for setting up help.kubuntu however... If you want to start writing how-tos for popular KDE/Kubuntu programs that would be outstanding01:12
claydoh|werkI can do that, heck I could even do screencasts, though text is more easily translatable 01:21
claydoh|werkI will start with some of the basics, perhaps.01:21
DarkwingDuckclaydoh|werk: look at what we have already with BZR01:36
DarkwingDuckbzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs01:36
claydoh|werkDarkwingDuck: kk01:36
DarkwingDuckIf you want to just send how-tos I'll convert them over01:37
DarkwingDuckjust make sure you put your name on the todo list we have so that no work is duplicated01:37
DarkwingDuckwiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo01:37
Riddellgrr, new kde4libs error01:42
Riddellfregl: any ideas? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/yXNZZNjE01:42
claydoh|werkdocbook looks so  ....intimidating02:22
jjesseit itsn't02:24
claydoh|werkbut it *looks* that way :)02:25
jjesseyes it does02:25
jjessebut it isn't02:26
jjesseheck i learned it02:28
claydoh|werkwork beckons.. :(03:07
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nixternalis there a fix for compositing in maverick for intel cards? this is ridonkulous04:00
macoum yes went in about 2 weeks before release04:01
macoa new mesa was uploaded04:01
nixternalbullshit04:01
nixternalwhere is it at? 04:01
macoin final...04:01
nixternalI have all repos enabled and compositing doesn't work for me04:01
nixternali have to enable it, and then watch kubuntu suck horse ass04:01
nixternalmaco: i can confirm on 2 fresh installs right now, compositing disables itself on login and you have to do the alt+shift+f1204:16
macobut it works after that?04:16
nixternalone is a dell mini 10v and the other is my desktop04:16
nixternaldepends on how you define "works"04:17
macoon my netbook it usually works fine for a while, til i get enough other junk running, then it disables04:17
maco(and re-enabling works fine)04:17
nixternalright, i can do all that, but then i get massive glitches with konsole/yakuake when hiding, playing shisen sho and a few other games lag out until you move the window to get it to refresh, web browsing with chromium is a mess04:18
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freglRiddell: weird, afaik nobody had touched that stuff in quite a while (knewstuff3)09:16
phononloggerohm09:17
phononloggertabs09:17
phononloggerdantti: seriously? tabs?09:17
* phononlogger hugs fregl09:18
freglawww :D09:18
* fregl hugs phononlogger09:18
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* phononlogger does not understand aptcc -.-09:49
phononloggerdantti: if you can make the codec finder work we could get truely amazing codec-installs in natty :)09:49
ari-tczewJontheEchidna: I'm sad due to again reintroduce bug in konversation. :(11:53
Riddellfregl: this is weird11:56
Riddellfregl: the kdelibs beta 1 tar I have as an enum in itemsgridviewdelegate.cpp and needs this patch http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/VKG5Cwdh11:57
Riddellfregl: but the copy in svn has no enum, it has a bunch of static const int DelegateRatingWidget = 3;11:57
freglRiddell: very weird, seems like dirk commited something like that: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.5.80/kdelibs/knewstuff/knewstuff3/ui/itemsgridviewdelegate.cpp?r1=1198725&r2=119982512:08
Riddellninjas: while you're waiting for 4.5 beta to move on here's a new kipi-plugins for the packaging http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/55112:39
Riddelldigikam too12:39
ari-tczewRiddell: could you help with finally fix bug 676303?12:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 676303 in konversation (Ubuntu) "[natty] indicator applet doesn't handle konversation notifications" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67630312:51
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Riddellari-tczew: I'll take a look in a bit12:58
ScottKnixternal: I've not had any significant problems on my 10v.  Just disable the capability checks for kwin.12:58
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Riddellgroovy, kdelibs uploaded to ninjas13:06
ari-tczewdebfx: around?13:12
JontheEchidnaari-tczew: :(13:36
JontheEchidnaari-tczew: If you would like, I could fix it. I could also sponsor a fix, if that's what you'd like13:36
JontheEchidnaI think they key is to pop the patch first, then remove the patch from debian/patches and debian/patches/series13:37
ari-tczewJontheEchidna: Riddell wrote above that he will fix it.13:37
ari-tczewJontheEchidna: anyway, it's not important for me who will fix it - you or Riddell. I won't make second patch.13:38
JontheEchidnaok. I just wanted to ask to make sure I am not stepping on anybody's toes.13:38
JontheEchidnaRiddell: mind if I take this one?13:39
RiddellJontheEchidna: go ahead13:49
ScottKRiddell: You saw the kde4libs FTBFS, right (need the upnp stuff)13:49
RiddellScottK: hupnp is also uploaded, should just need a retry when it's in13:49
ScottKnixternal: I've seen the issues with Chromium recently, but those are, frankly, Chromium's fault.  It worked fine at release and the has gotten worse with post-release updates.13:50
ScottKRiddell: Cool.13:50
ScottKRiddell: Did you get a chance to look at akonadi in New?13:50
Riddellnext on the todo list13:51
Riddellbut first need to get some bread for lunch13:51
JontheEchidnaRiddell: for the todo: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=869714:31
JontheEchidnathis one new? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59497796/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.konversation_1.3.1-2ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:34
RiddellJontheEchidna: ooh, goody14:36
ScottKJontheEchidna: Looking14:36
ScottKJontheEchidna: That's Bug #67534714:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 675347 in Linaro GCC "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67534714:38
ScottKJontheEchidna: You're the symbols file expert ...  It looks to me like in http://paste.ubuntu.com/535570/ the _ZThn8_ symbols should just be removed.  Is that amd64 specific do you think (it's from the amd64 build log)14:50
ScottKPlus it looks like Soyuz ate the i386 build.14:51
JontheEchidnadunno what _ZThn8_ means14:52
RiddellI just retried the i386 build14:53
ScottKI retried it too.  It just failed quickly with no build log.14:53
ScottKI think it needs a new upload.14:53
Riddellit's doing ok now14:54
ScottKI was thinking that fixing the symbols file would be nice at the same time.14:54
ScottKOh.14:54
ScottKOK.14:54
ScottKWeird.14:54
RiddellScottK: debian/akonadi-agent-launcher.install and debian/akonadi-agent-server.install aren't in the akonadi packaging in bzr14:55
RiddellScottK: but also, shouldn't something depend on them?14:56
ScottKRiddell: I must have forgotten to bzr add.  I'll fix.14:56
Riddellcan't they go in the akonadi-server package?14:56
ScottKRiddell: AFAICT they are totally optional to use.14:56
ScottKHonestly I'm not sure.  I thought it was better to split them out and let them land in Universe until we see what use gets made of them.14:57
ScottKIf you'd rather not split them out, I can see that too.14:57
Riddellbest thing would be to predict what debian were going to do so we don't have to add replaces about the place if we get it different :)14:58
ScottKI did ask Debian about the library rename.14:58
ScottKThat seems OK.14:58
Riddellasking in #akonadi15:00
ScottKCool.15:00
Riddellawooga, kdelibs built15:01
Riddell!ninjas15:01
ubottuNinja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger15:01
RiddellScottK: 15:03 < tokoe> Riddell: together with akonadi-server15:04
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I'll fix it.15:05
ScottKPlease reject those binaries.15:05
* Riddell gives it the boot15:06
danttiphononlogger: tabs??15:12
danttiphononlogger:are you talking about gstreamer finding in aptcc?15:12
Riddellulysses: ping15:13
Riddellulysses: kdelibs needs huphp, so your packaging is needed soon, are you able to fix the remaining issues?  I left some comments on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/hupnp15:13
ScottKRiddell: Fixed akonadi uploaded.  It'll still hit New once it builds due to libakonadiprotocolinternals1.15:20
ScottKRiddell: I'll be gone most of today, so unlikely to be much more help on packaging.  I should be able to help out some tomorrow.15:22
Riddellthanks ScottK 15:25
ScottKNo problem.15:25
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ulyssesRiddell: I have some lessons remaining today, around 21 pm UTC I could do it15:29
Riddellulysses: groovy, mostly just needs some .install files to split up the .deb package15:34
persiaSo, I sent an email to ubuntu-devel-announce about products recently.  Has the Kubuntu team decided which images they are producing for Natty yet?15:41
Riddellpersia: yes, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest15:42
persiaWhich kind of armel is the Kubuntu Mobile Preview image?15:44
Riddellwhatever ones work :)15:44
persiaOK.  Let's ask differently.  What sort of armel hardware do the folk willing to test it have?15:45
rbelemn90015:45
rbelem:-)15:45
persiarbelem, Thanks.15:45
rbelempanda boards?15:45
persiaNext: is the powerpc Desktop image being discontinued?15:45
persiarbelem, Well, if you have panda, sure.15:45
rbelemi have an old beagle board15:46
persiaWhich one?15:46
ScottKpersia: I'll test it and regular Kubuntu on mx51.15:46
rbelemthe first model, class b i think15:46
rbelemor class c15:46
persiarbelem, B3 or newer should let you do armel+omap if you like.15:47
rbelemi'm not sure15:47
ScottKpersia: powerpc desktop image is not discontinued.  We have testers for that.15:47
rbelemcool15:47
persiaScottK, I thought Tm_T would want it :)  It's not on the list.15:47
persiaSo anyway, it sounds like the list doesn't quite match ReleaseManifest.  That's OK.  There's discussions about how to structure that page.15:48
Riddellpowerpc was always hidden in ports, but maybe now we don't have that distinction it should go on that page15:48
persiaI'm just doing data collection now: I'm happy to take information from that page, or just IRC notes.15:50
persiaThe key bit is that I want to know which images, which install targets (I don't yet have confirmation if amd64+mac is different than amd64 for this cycle), and who is responsible for making sure it gets tested.15:51
Tm_Trighto15:51
ScottKpersia: AFAIK the only thing I think we are unlikely to support is panda4, but that may happen too.15:52
ScottKpersia: What armel subarchs are on the list for consideration right now?15:52
persiaScottK, You mean "armel+omap4" (which is panda and blaze and maybe something else if TI has a design win)15:52
ScottKYes.15:53
ScottKWe may or may not have hardware to support testing omap4.15:53
persiaI don't have a list of known working install targets yet.  the only kernel I know is being tested is the armel+omap4 one.15:53
ScottKThe rest (which afaik is likely omap3 and mx51) from the linaro kernel we do have testers for.15:53
persiaHistorically there's also been armel+dove, and there might be more in linaro kernels, but I'm more interested in stuff for which you have testers than in what Linaro may or may not manage to produce for kernels (I'd expect them to answer that better than you).15:55
ScottKpersia: It's good to know what's on offer so we can work on finding testers. We'd like Kubuntu to be supported as broadly as possible.15:56
persiaBut it sounds like you plan Mobile and Desktop for all of i386, amd64, amd64+mac (if it exists), powerpc, armel+imx51, armel+omap, and possibly armel+omap4 (depending on hardware).15:56
rbelemi'm planning to buy two arm dev board in january15:56
ScottKpersia: Yes.15:57
rbelemprobably panda and other one i don't know yet15:57
ScottKAlthough mobile is just i386 and armel.15:57
persiaRiddell, And you'll be the contact to approve all the Desktop images?15:58
persiarbelem, You'll be the contact to approve all the Mobile images?15:58
Riddellpersia: the Kubuntu community will, with me giving final approval15:58
Riddellalthough I don't know about amd64+mac15:58
persiaI don't know if it will exist.  I think cjwatson said something about having an idea to not need it anymore.15:59
rbelemi don't know15:59
ScottKI think rbelem is the right POC for mobile.16:01
persiaRiddell, I'm supposed to get a person who is the contact for approval.  That you are only a delegate is expected :)16:01
ScottKWe'll all provide input, of course.16:01
Riddellyeah put rbelem down for mobile and me for kubuntu normal16:02
persiaOK.  Once I have the complete list, I'll let you know if there are concerns about the list you gave me today.16:02
rbelem:-)16:02
Riddellpersia: also I avoid the term "Kubuntu Desktop" since it includes netbook16:02
* persia needs to adapt to the new model.16:04
persiaIs it just "Kubuntu"?16:04
Riddellyes16:04
Riddellon the other hand I'm very happy to see the term Ubuntu Desktop getting greater usage and approval16:05
persiaI don't like the use of "Kubuntu" for that, because Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Netbook are merging for natty.16:05
JontheEchidnaanybody know what E: gtk2-engines-oxygen: pkg-has-shlibs-control-file-but-no-actual-shared-libs means?16:06
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you read the verbose output of Lintian?16:07
RiddellJontheEchidna: I suspect lintian is only looking in /usr/lib and missing the .so file in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/liboxygen-gtk.so16:07
Riddellso it's probably ignorable16:07
JontheEchidnaScottK: I looked up the tag on the internet but it really didn't say how to fix it16:07
ScottKOK.16:07
JontheEchidnalike, definiting wth a "shlibs control file" actually is16:08
* ScottK doesn't know of the top of his head. 16:08
JontheEchidna*defining16:08
JontheEchidnabasically the description gives the uber-long tag name a proper sentence structure, offering no further explanation16:09
JontheEchidnaRiddell: anyways, I've fixed the erronous suggests and reuploaded16:09
JontheEchidnanice to see that revu finally supports source format 3.016:10
RiddellScottK: "Qt still broken on ARM, patch for GCC in testing" is that accurate?16:12
ScottKRiddell: I'd say "patch sent upstream from review".16:13
ScottKRiddell: Unfortunately you'll also apparently have to add "Ubuntu GCC maintainer doesn't want to upload GCC again until after Alpha 1, so broken for another month regardless of progress on the patch".16:14
Riddellwibble16:14
JontheEchidna:/16:16
JontheEchidnaI bet he'd be singing a different tune if it was preventing gtk+2.0 from building16:16
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ScottKRiddell: hupnp builds on armel (I'm trying to test build stuff as we go so we don't get a huge suprise on porting problems once gcc is fixed)16:59
ScottKTo answer the next question: building using the old gcc.16:59
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ScottKtxwikinger: Oracle isn't stepping away from open source.  They were never close to it.17:19
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txwikingerScottK: Well.. Sun was closer than Oracle since they bought Sun17:19
ScottKtxwikinger: That's definitely true.  I don't see this as stepping away, I see it as Oracle being Oracle.17:20
txwikingerScottK: Yeah.. I looked at it from the perspective of OpenOffice, not so much Oracle as an entity17:20
shadeslayerScottK: the patch was already applied upstream :)17:21
shadeslayerSkrooge one17:21
ScottKshadeslayer: Great.17:21
ScottKshadeslayer: How about the open with patch for rekonq?17:21
shadeslayerScottK: its being reviewed on reviewboard17:22
* ScottK notes shadeslayer would be less tired and overworked if he'd do better the minion recruiting task.17:22
* ScottK suspects apachelogger would agree.17:22
ScottKshadeslayer: OK.  Thanks.17:22
shadeslayerit doesnt do right click > open with, but when you click on a url, it lists various apps17:22
shadeslayerScottK: im recruting... but not from IRC :>17:22
ScottKNot ideal, but I can live with that.17:22
shadeslayerpeople are showing interest in college17:23
ScottKGreat.17:23
shadeslayerand since college is ending tmmrw ... im trying to reap the benefits17:23
ScottK;-)17:24
shadeslayerThere might be a guy called Akshay Tayal coming along in the next few days..... he asked me about packaging and i told him about the workflow and the packaging guide and pointed him to this channel :D17:25
* apachelogger agrees17:32
* apachelogger reads what he agrees with17:32
apacheloggeroh17:32
apacheloggerI agree.17:32
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QuintasanScottK: sip ping17:55
apacheloggerjefferai: is there a ftphonon account on ktown? if so, can you please add me to its authorized keys, if not, how do phonon tarballs get published?17:57
* apachelogger needs to leave for a meeting but would like to publish phonon 4.4.3 soonish :)17:57
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Nightroseapachelogger: he's traveling 18:07
Nightrose#kde-sysadmin18:07
danttiapachelogger: what were you talking about?18:08
danttioh he is out again18:09
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ari-tczewdebfx: could you review again clementine on revu? thanks18:56
Quintasanapachelogger: "life-changing injury"  OR "life changing injury" ?19:04
* Quintasan wonders if there is #english-language-support :P19:04
apacheloggerdantti: about the life of brian21:27
apacheloggerdantti: also about how installing gstreamer0.10-packagekit and using phonon-backend-gstreamer will make kpk show a dialog that a codec is missing and it will go search for it21:27
apacheloggerbut then the search ends in error of not being able to find anything21:28
apacheloggerQuintasan: I suppose latter is more correct21:28
apacheloggerjust make a google fight ;)21:29
danttiapachelogger: right that's because I need to finish the search :P21:29
danttiapachelogger: I started it based on how the py code did but after speaking with some gstreamer dev it endend up to be the wrong way21:29
danttiit's somehow easy to finish it but I didn't had time yet to finish it21:30
apacheloggerright, so I was suggesting that if you were to finish it soonish we could have amazing missing-codec support in kubuntu 11.04 ;)21:30
* apachelogger has a major headache and isnt able to continue work on his phonon nor kubuntu is ubuntu blog post -.-21:33
danttiapachelogger: btw do you know gstreamer functions?21:34
apacheloggerdantti: a bit, from what I have come to see in reading through the phonon-gst code21:34
* apachelogger is wondering if peopel will ever grow tired of making videos about their desktop which is really about compiz 21:35
danttiapachelogger: do you know something about gst_caps_new_simple ?21:37
apacheloggerdantti: not really, what do you need to know?21:39
apachelogger(I know that phonon-gst creates the decoder name from a caps21:39
apachelogger)21:39
danttiapachelogger: well aptcc receives an string like "gstreamer0.10(decoder-audio/x-wma)(wmaversion=3)"21:40
danttithen gs has this function to create a capabilities things21:41
danttiand I have to match against packages..21:41
_Groo_hi/2 all. could any kind sould backport this PLSSSSSS:21:41
_Groo_http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.5/kdegraphics/libs/libkipi/libkipi/pluginloader.cpp?r1=1194512&r2=119451321:41
apacheloggerdantti: get_caps_from_string()21:41
_Groo_it fixed the digikam crash when clicking on settings21:42
apacheloggerdantti: using the part behind deocder- as argument21:42
_Groo_should be in 4.5.4, but if someone could backport it, it would be super21:42
_Groo_since it afects every single digikam since at least 1.4.021:42
apacheloggeroh21:47
apacheloggerdantti: gst_caps_new_simple might be more suited21:48
apacheloggerthat would be called like gst_caps_new_simple("audio/x-wma", "wmaversion", G_TYPE_INT, 3, NULL)21:49
danttiapachelogger: right, I'm trying to re read the docs21:49
apacheloggerwhat I imagine tricky is to find the actual gdatatype of the value to a field21:49
apacheloggerOTOH you probably only have ints or strings anyway21:51
apacheloggerdantti: also you are very brave for reading gstreamer documentation ;)21:51
apachelogger"documentation" - it mostly just says what is obvious from function name and parameter names ;)21:52
apacheloggerNightrose: thanks21:52
danttiapachelogger: well what can I say, without docs what can i do :P21:54
apacheloggertrial'n'error ;)21:54
apacheloggerthat is how I do things starting with a g ;)21:55
danttikkk21:55
apacheloggeror ask google21:55
apacheloggerthat also works at times21:55
apacheloggerthough most of the time it will just show you obscure usage of the function you wants thought was very useful and totally easy to handle ;)21:55
apacheloggers/wants/once21:56
danttiapachelogger: oh now I remember the first problem I had, finding gs libs :P22:34
ulyssesRiddell: ping22:51
ulyssesRiddell: I'll go to sleep, sorry I didn't come earlier, in the morning I'll look at hupnp23:12
CIA-42[muon] jmthomas * 1200117 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)23:16
CIA-42Several fixes for queue handling. Also remove the confirmation dialog, since the23:16
CIA-42confirmation really needs to occur before the transaction is added to the23:16

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