[00:17] <jason88> My eth0 isn't showing in network config :(
[00:17] <jason88> it is showing up in ifconfig, but I need it to show up in the network app
[00:20] <jason88> can someone help me? I want to make it so my computer can share internet to other computers...
[00:55] <dansflor_> there are maaany howto's on the net
[01:10] <therock> how to install previous version of libpulse0 ??
[01:11] <therock> previous version that come with kubuntu 10.10 dvd ??
[01:43] <karl__> ok
[03:44] <algeneral> Hello everyone
[03:45] <algeneral> I just installed compiz in favor of kwm. But I'm having some trouble with the blur plugin. It seems to blur over unfocused windows, but never blurs behind anything. I'm pretty sure this isn't the intended functionality
[03:45] <algeneral> also, How can I get a version of compiz newer than 8.6-0 but older than 9.2
[03:45] <algeneral> preferably version 8.6-2
[03:46] <algeneral> which I know has good integration with kwm decorations
[03:54] <algeneral> Also, how can I get fglrx 9.11?
[04:18] <collabra> algeneral: just sayin hi....
[04:20] <collabra> algeneral: not sure as distros go that you can pick and choose what version of a program that gets put in them,... so the only way i see you picking the version is to gather the individual sources and compile them...
[04:21] <collabra> algeneral: as far as fglrx,... lemmy see.
[04:24] <collabra> 8.723 is the version currently in the 10.04 LTS,... if you are running 10.10 and it's not the version you want,... again, I think compilation is your only avenue of travel.
[04:27] <algeneral> collabra: I suppose that's the route I'll go then. I was hoping for a PPA or something
[04:27] <collabra> algeneral: ppa,... well maybey,... have you searched for a ppa?
[04:27] <collabra> !ppa
[04:28] <algeneral> collabra: I googled. I didn't know about that particular resource, as I'm new to ubuntu. checking, just a sec.
[04:28] <collabra> algeneral: hope i was of some help....
[04:31] <algeneral> collabra: no luck with the ppa archive :(.  Thanks for your help though.
[04:32] <collabra> algeneral: no problem
[04:34] <collabra> algeneral: you might want to research compiling from source,... just to make sure the source you are compiling is fully compatible with the rest of the system... I'm just not that familiar with the process... but perhaps you already know.
[04:34] <algeneral> I'm familiar with compiling from source
[04:35] <algeneral> I'm still deciding on a course of action
[04:35] <collabra> perhaps you could tell me if what you want to do will work?
[04:35] <algeneral> You mean after I do it?
[04:35] <collabra> are these diferent sources all compatible with each other, or....?
[04:36] <collabra> these different versions....?
[04:36] <collabra> are they all compatible,...?
[04:36] <algeneral> Well, I'm not certain yet. I want to update compiz to the latest version available in ppas, but I've heard bad things about its compatibility with fglxr
[04:36] <collabra> cuz...
[04:36] <collabra> oh,..
[04:37] <algeneral> however, I'm thinking if I install the latest version of fglrx from the amd site, it might work well with compiz
[04:37] <algeneral> I doubt fglrx will have too many dependencies to screw up, since it's a driver.
[04:37] <algeneral> and those generally don't have many dependencies
[04:37] <collabra> well,... arn't the newer versions of software generally compatible with the old,...
[04:38] <collabra> to a certain degree,... that is.
[04:38] <algeneral> well, according to a comment I read about the ppa, it broke the system of a guy using fglrx
[04:38] <collabra> i would think mainly so.... but i really don't know.
[04:38] <algeneral> as I'm also using fglrx, I'm hesitant
[04:38] <collabra> what is fglrx?
[04:39] <collabra> what's it's funcion.
[04:39] <algeneral> fglrx is a video driver to control ATI cards
[04:39] <collabra> ahh,.. i see,..
[04:39] <algeneral> so, at worst, I think it might break my xserver configuration. But I think I'm comfotable enough with the commandline to fix that
[04:39] <algeneral> should anything go wrong
[04:40] <collabra> so,... the version you want,... may not be compatible with fglrx... right?
[04:40] <algeneral> alright. you've convinced me. I'm going to go for it :-P
[04:40] <collabra> the version of compixz
[04:40] <collabra> compiz
[04:40] <algeneral> it might not be compatible with fglrx in general, or simply with the ubuntu default version of fglrx
[04:40] <algeneral> probably the latter
[04:41] <collabra> ah,.. i see,.. well,.. gl!
[04:41] <algeneral> thanks
[04:42] <collabra> i do need someone to walk me through some of these higher functions of debian that seem so essential to linux.... lol, i  still haven't compiled a custom kernel...
[04:43] <collabra> i'm terrified of breaking my system and then not knowing how to fix it....
[04:44] <collabra> oh well,... some of us have to be users, right?
[04:44] <collabra> lol
[04:44] <collabra> have a good day =)
[04:49] <algeneral> collabra: the best way to learn is to break shit.
[04:51] <ftg2> it used to be allot easier; the install started broken. now most everything works out of the box. not as fun
[04:52] <collabra> algeneral: lol,.. yeah, well, i got tired of breaking sh!t that i couldn't fix... And i got so tired of reloading my os,... well. I just quit trying to do the stuff i just don't have aptitude or understanding for.
[04:52] <algeneral> ftg2: Well, if you're using ubuntu, yeah :-P
[04:52] <collabra> ftg2: lol
[04:52] <algeneral> also, ubuntu encourages you to give up, because it doesn't come with any way to do wireless management from the command line
[04:52] <algeneral> first thing I install anytime I load up a new distro is ceni
[04:53] <collabra> algeneral: i really think i'm going to prefer 'squeeze' to anything ubuntu....
[04:53] <collabra> ceni....?
[04:53] <collabra> what is ceni....
[04:53] <algeneral> really easy commandline network management tool
[04:53] <algeneral> you have to get it from scary places though
[04:54] <collabra> algeneral: k,... i'll look at it...
[04:54] <collabra> algeneral: oh,... it's not in these distros?
[04:54] <algeneral> it's not in the ubuntu repo
[04:54] <algeneral> no
[04:54] <collabra> ahh,... well,... i suppose compiling is needed for that, huh?
[04:54] <algeneral> oh, but! you guys do have a ppa for it
[04:54] <algeneral> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=ppa+ceni
[04:55] <algeneral> I usually just install from the deb, or source when deb isn't an option
[04:55] <collabra> algeneral: us guys,...?
[04:55] <algeneral> ubuntu guys
[04:55] <collabra> algeneral: k... lemmy look ceni up,... what does it do that other programs cant.
[04:56] <lucas-arg> hey guys, for some reason when i click on restart kubuntu doesnt restart! or shutdown... i dont know whats wrong any help?
[04:57] <algeneral> collabra: it allows you to connect to wireless networks from commandline. quickly, easily, and without ever touching a manpage
[04:57] <algeneral> this is useful because ubuntu seems to rely on networkmanager to connect to anything
[04:57] <algeneral> and network manager doesn't start until init 5
[04:58] <algeneral> you can run ceni from init 3
[04:58] <algeneral> lucas-arg: does typing reboot into console work?
[04:59] <lucas-arg> algeneral: it does...
[04:59] <lucas-arg> algeneral: its not that i dont have the options, i do have them on the menu, it just dont work...
[05:00] <algeneral> yeah. It seems like a process might be preventing it from restarting
[05:00] <algeneral> try closing out all running processes and trying again
[05:00] <algeneral> though, honestly, it
[05:01] <algeneral> will probably be easier just type reboot into the alt+f2 menu
[05:01] <collabra> lucas-arg: try system settings and then login manager,... there is a option to only allow everyone, only root, or nobody in reference to shutdown options...
[05:01] <lucas-arg> algeneral: i will see if i can force restart or shutdown without waiting to the procces to finish
[05:01] <algeneral> lucas-arg: when you click restart in the kmenu. does that other dialog pop up that grays out the rest of your screen
[05:03] <lucas-arg> algeneral: it just stays where i am... it doesnt happen anything
[05:03] <collabra> lucas-arg: if it's set to nobody or root only,... it won't allow you to shutdown the system
[05:03] <lucas-arg> collabra: if what is set to root only?
[05:04] <collabra> lucas-arg: another possibility is filesystem corruption,... you may need to run a filesystem check,... if it's set to root,.. it will not let you shutdown the system
[05:05] <collabra> lucas-arg: but i found a workaround that i use for that,...
[05:05] <collabra> lucas-arg: i run: sudo su
[05:05] <collabra> lucas-arg: then i run: passwd root
[05:05] <lucas-arg> blacking root password is not a really good idea
[05:06] <lucas-arg> blanking i meant
[05:06] <collabra> lucas-arg: then,... i have my traditional sudo 'passwd' and a root one which i use to shutdown the system from the login menu.
[05:06] <collabra> lucas-arg: it's not blanking the root password,.. it's adding one,...
[05:06] <lucas-arg> collabra: ok let me see
[05:07] <collabra> lucas-arg: not to mention,... i can su into a traditional root and can by-pass the sudo
[05:07] <lucas-arg> collabra: it didnt help
[05:08] <collabra> lucas-arg: well,... just remember you have a root password now....
[05:08] <collabra> lucas-arg: a traditional one,... that is.
[05:09] <lucas-arg> sudo chmod u+s /sbin/reboot and shutdown
[05:09] <lucas-arg> i will see if this works
[05:09] <collabra> lucas-arg: i have to go here in a sec... but, have you thought of filesystem corruption.
[05:10] <collabra> lucas-arg: well, god damn expert,... you know good and well what your options are,... :)  why even ask.... sh!t,.. you guys who know but still ask crack me up....
[05:12] <collabra> makes my atempt at help seem useless... but, hey, I really don't know much command line anyway.
[05:12] <collabra> gotta go,.. cya later.
[05:13] <lucas-arg> that did work...
[05:50] <martin|2> How dangerous is it to install package meant for narwhal into maverick?
[06:00] <user> hell
[06:02] <orpras> Is it okay to ask a question about Rekonq?
[06:04] <RottNKorpse> anyone know where to dispute an irc ban?
[06:09] <RottNKorpse> nevermind
[06:11] <urgyen> you can't
[06:14] <yanuar> alow
[06:32] <yanuar> aloowwww
[06:32] <yanuar> :D
[07:40] <orpras> Rekonq works with youtube and vimeo but why doesn't it work with other sites like Ted.com?
[07:40] <orpras> Everything not to with flash works perfectly.
[07:40] <orpras> I don't think it's the plugin because all sites work in Midori and Firefox
[07:42] <orpras> Anybody else come across this?
[07:44] <volodya> orpras: ted.com works fine for me, on 10.10
[07:45] <orpras> That's what I'm using!
[07:45] <orpras> It's a fresh install, how can I track down what's going on?
[07:46] <volodya> in what way ted.com fails to work?
[07:46] <volodya> Just no video player?
[07:47] <orpras> When you open the page, there's a flash menu to pick the movie you want to watch, that doesn't appear.
[07:47] <orpras> I just get a white box.
[07:47] <orpras> It works for vimeo and youtube
[07:47] <orpras> but not aljazeera or ted.com
[07:48] <orpras> What could the difference possibly be?
[07:48] <orpras> Different version of flash?
[07:48] <orpras> I have tried both the flash plugin using kpackage and downloading directly from the adobe site.
[08:01] <orpras> Installing ppa version of rekonq
[08:03] <orpras> No difference, a flash advertisement at the botton of the ted.com page loads fine.
[08:26] <administrateur> Hi everyone
[08:27] <Gahuil> Salut salut
[08:39] <orpras> Hello!
[08:39] <orpras> I'm trying to get some insight into a strange problem I'm having with flash video in rekonq.
[08:40] <orpras> The flash on some sites doesn't work in rekonq but do work in all my other browsers.
[08:40] <orpras> erm
[08:40] <orpras> don't
[08:40] <orpras> While youtube does work.
[08:44] <orpras> Specifically, flash that involves more interaction like the main menu for ted.com
[09:28] <sparr> is KDE 4.x as featureful as 3.6 yet?
[09:30] <moetunes> it's a it beyond that - plenty of screenshots on the web :)
[09:37] <Gahuil> Hello
[09:41] <Gahuil> You failed
[09:43] <moetunes> who is you and how did they fail ?
[09:55] <sparr> moetunes: screenshots aren't really what I'm looking for. I don't care about eye candy
[09:57] <valorie> what do you care about?
[09:57] <moetunes> sparr:  you could maybe elaborate on what you're looking for then - you asked a fairly general question and got a fairly general response :)
[09:57] <valorie> most of the apps are far beyond what they were in 3 also
[10:09] <sparr> well, off the top of my head, one of the biggest lacks in 4.0-4.2 compared to 3.6 was available panel widgets (forgot the right term, things like the clock, network monitor, K menu, etc)
[10:26] <administrateur_> yo man
[10:34] <rork> IF I close Kontact and want to open it again it most of the time won't open without me having to crash the KOrganizer Reminder Deamon (by clicking the icon in the system tray). Is there anyone that does not have that problem?
[10:40] <valorie> sparr, all those widgets are available, better than ever
[10:40] <valorie> I love the new Moon widget, for instance
[10:40] <valorie> even better than the old one
[10:41] <valorie> clocks -- there are multiple
[10:41] <valorie> network mon -- excellent selection
[10:41] <valorie> etc.
[10:41] <sparr> good to know
[10:41] <valorie> open up the cashew, and find loads of stuff
[10:42] <sparr> there were soooo many problems with things like printing around 4.1 as well
[10:42] <valorie> dunno about printing
[10:42] <valorie> myself
[10:42] <valorie> however, a developer friend was frustrated because he got a new printer, and it Just Worked
[10:42] <valorie> nothing for him to hack on, at all
[10:42] <valorie> :-)
[10:45]  * geekosopher waves to valorie \0/
[10:47] <valorie> o/
[10:47] <valorie> how are you, geekosopher?
[10:47] <geekosopher> valorie: good :)
[11:34] <lombre> cual es el channel español?
[11:34] <moetunes> !es
[11:34] <lombre> !es
[11:35] <moetunes> it only works once per minute or so
[11:36] <lombre> I have a problem with de konsole
[11:37] <lombre> when I execute the command sudo it ask me the pw
[11:37] <lombre> and i dont have pw
[11:37] <lombre> i write root
[11:37] <lombre> and the konsole  refuse it
[11:38] <moetunes> the password is your login password if you have admin rights
[11:40] <lombre> yeah but i put this word and konsole says: " Sorry Try Again." password atempts
[11:41] <moetunes> then you don't have admin rights - what does the command   groups   return?
[11:42] <moetunes> if you login to the computer as lombre and your password is mypassword then you do something like3   sudo kate somefile and the password you give is mypassword
[11:42] <lombre> i dont know
[11:42] <lombre> ok 1 mom
[11:43] <mat69> hi, which qt version is in use by 10.10?
[11:43] <lombre> yeah
[11:43] <lombre> kubuntu 10.10
[11:43] <moetunes> !info qt
[11:43] <lombre> lel
[11:43] <moetunes> !find qt
[11:44] <moetunes> no idea then
[11:44] <lombre> i come of windows 7en and the konsole it's hard with me!
[11:44] <moetunes> it does take some practise
[11:44] <moetunes> what are you trying to do?
[11:45] <mat69> moetunes: great, that link helped me, thank you :)
[11:45] <moetunes> woot!
[11:45] <lombre> i want enter tu the "superadmin" (sudo)
[11:46] <moetunes> lombre:  you need to find the groups you belong to to see if you can do that so in konsole type    groups   and copy the result to here pls
[11:46] <lombre> okas
[11:47] <lombre> in the / (root) no??
[11:47] <lombre> usr
[11:47] <moetunes> lombre:  it doesn't matter
[11:48] <moetunes> any time you open a konsole it should start in the hoe dir - don't try a root konsole yet
[11:48] <moetunes> s/hoe/home
[11:48] <lombre> ok 1 moment
[11:51] <lombre> oks I found the password but when I introduce rejects console
[11:53] <moetunes> lombre:  sounds like you are not in the admin group - see if someone in the spanish channel can explain it better - in you irc type   /join #ubuntu-es
[11:54] <lombre> it also thanks for all guy
[11:57] <moetunes> lombre:  there is a wine channel
[11:57] <moetunes> !wine
[11:58] <lombre> ok
[11:58] <lombre> i know this programme
[11:58] <lombre> execute the .msi programms no?
[11:59] <moetunes> I don't use any windows apps sorry - there's mostly a linux one to do the same job - check the appdb
[12:00] <moetunes> !appdb
[12:57] <markey> ahoy
[13:00] <bigbrovar> markey: Like seriously? Riddell would be working in west africa?
[13:01] <markey> well, ask him yourself...
[13:01] <Peace-> why what's up with africa?
[13:01] <Peace-> xD
[13:03]  * Riddell thinks he skipped over two pages at once
[13:16] <bigbrovar> peace: Nothing I am from Nigeria myself am just so surprised and glad a kubuntu dev would be so close by :)
[13:26] <ShishKabab> Does anyone have tips on how to configure and test audio recording. Audacity just stops recording after 0.5 seconds.
[13:43] <evanion> hey everyone, quick question: I did a minimal install of kubuntu via the alternative cd, and ofc that makes me miss a lot of core packages that comes with the regular desktop metapackage... anyone know where i can find a list of the content in the meta package?
[14:12] <yofel> Evanion: 'apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop' will show what it would pull in if you installed it
[14:13] <Evanion> ok ... i just want a basic install without openoffice, kontact, korganizer etc ...
[14:13] <Evanion> and i prefer going from the ground up the n from the top down
[14:14] <Evanion> since i don't need things like kppp and printer stuff ...
[14:15] <yofel> well, the command I gave you will give you a list of packages that the meta-package installs, you might have to further bisect the dependencies of those packages to get what you need
[14:24] <Evanion> yea, thanks :)
[14:38] <lucas-arg> hey guys... whats the name of the plasma widget that shows like a window all contents of a folder?
[14:40] <rork> Evanion: if you use `apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends` it will skip installing all the recommended packages, this will give you a pretty basic kde
[14:41] <Evanion> ah thanks
[14:42] <lucas-arg> no idea about what im askng?
[14:43] <rork> lucas-arg: I don't exactly know what you mean, maybe folder-view?
[14:44] <lucas-arg> thanks
[14:45] <lucas-arg> rork: its weird, when i add it to the desktop, it doesnt show me the window it shows me an icon...
[14:48] <rork> lucas-arg: I have folder-view 1.0 by Fredrik Hoglund (kubuntu 10.04, KDE 4.4.2), which IIRC is shown on the desktop after installing
[14:48] <lucas-arg> it might be a bug
[14:53] <Unksi> anyone have a working intel 6300 card with maverick here?
[14:54] <Unksi> im getting this error message on boot: Unsupported (too old) EEPROM VER=0x423 < 0x434 CALIB=0x5 < 0x4
[14:54] <Unksi> and it only shows up in lspci/lshw
[16:10] <ct529> guys anyone who knows how to manage tags in kde? I can create (up to two) but then cannot remove them if I attach them to objects
[16:35] <mehmetali> salam
[16:47] <pzico> anyone know how to get the mic working using the phonon audio server
[17:05] <vipinb> hello how can i remove pulseaudio from kubuntu 10.10 and use alsa
[17:06] <pzico> why would you want to this
[17:06] <vipinb> I getting lots of problem with pulse hence I want to remove it..
[17:08] <pzico> hmmm i cant get mic working - prefered suses setup but kubuntus is more professional
[17:09] <pzico> dont know the answer to that but my guess is that is could be complex
[17:10] <vipinb> I have problem with hda intel card. It put lots of log to my log file saying alsa hda intel card has problem. It is just killing my  system log
[17:25] <howlymowly_> hi poeple... short question:  with kubuntu, it is possible to have an encrpyted home directory, right?
[17:34] <squash_> Morning all, have a question if someone has a minute. I'm running 10.10 64 bit, and trying to use TrueCrypt(http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads). However after installing TrueCrypt, it crashes immediately after starting its GUI. Wondering if someone else can try it and see if it is only me.
[17:37] <DiogenesW> servus
[18:26] <Machtin> any alternative to gparted?
[18:28] <Machtin> ah, found something. pardon
[18:45] <ftg2> i am looking for a package that provides an offline copy of http://api.kde.org/
[18:51] <moetunes> ftg2:  I use this sort of thing to get websites for offline use - http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/downloading-entire-web-site-wget
[18:54] <ftg2> moetunes: thanks. seems i will probably end up getting it that way.
[18:55] <moetunes> ftg2:  I doubt it comes in a package...
[18:56] <ftg2> it wouldn't surprise me. i got the java 6 api, python 2.6 api, and a c++ reference in -doc packages
[18:56] <ftg2> as addons to the packages that provide those languages
[18:57] <moetunes> !find api
[19:08] <\ottizen> Hello! I have just installed Kubuntu on a notebook and it runs well. However, when I clicked on my wireless network (and typed in my password), nothing happens. It just "blinks", but I get no error or connection. What's the problem and how do I solve it?
[19:14] <moetunes> \ottizen:  I don't use wireless but from what I've seen on here alot of ppl have hassles with the kde network manager - you could try the gnome nm or install wicd as a workaround
[19:23] <kamus> HOLA
[19:24] <moetunes> need a spanish channel kamus_ ?
[19:27] <ftg2> ahh. think i found something. the api website offers a 40mb .qch file which i just learned is used in qt's doc viewer.
[19:28] <ftg2> i might just wget the website anyway. i like that format. they probably don't appreciate people crawling the site like that?
[19:29] <moetunes> no harm in trying... :)
[19:32] <therock> How to theming kubuntu 10.10 amd booting? When adding image to /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ,  it shows only on selecting operating sistem i will run, not in the boot process of this kubuntu. Is there any way to theming it?
[19:34] <moetunes> !plymouth
[19:34] <\ottizen> moetunes: Thank you.
[19:34] <moetunes> np :)
[19:39] <therock> moetunes:  Thank you. :)
[19:39] <moetunes> np :)
[20:07] <therock> is there any gui apps for configuring grub plymouth theme easier?
[20:11] <collabra> therock: gui apps....
[20:11] <collabra> therock: for grub or plymouth....
[20:14] <collabra> therock: have you thoroughly searched kpackage kit for answers...?
[20:14] <therock> collabra:  you mean grub is different than plymouth?
[20:15] <collabra> therock: cause' if you have adequate skills searching for what you need among the 20000 or more programs,... I can't tell you what you are already equipped to answer....
[20:16] <collabra> yes grub is different than plymouth
[20:16] <moetunes> !find plymouth
[20:16] <collabra> grub is what boots the kernel
[20:16] <collabra> plymouth is the splash screen...
[20:16] <collabra> i believe
[20:17] <moetunes> yep
[20:17] <therock> i see. :) im looking for gui program to configure plymouth themes, for easier.
[20:17] <collabra> therock: then you looking within kpackage...
[20:19] <collabra> your quest will end there.... most likely,... on the offhand chance there is no gui config program,... perhaps you would like to talk to an software engineer an collaborate on a project.
[20:19] <collabra> an>and  ^^^
[20:20] <snork> доброго времени суток
[20:21] <collabra> !доброго времени суток
[20:22] <therock> so, i should manually configure it. its allright. thanks. :)
[20:24] <snork> не подскажите начиающему в чем проблема? в ubuntu 2.3 не определяется юсб модем, но если сначала зайти под виндой, подключится и перезагрузившись зайти под линуксом он определяется и прекрасно работает. как сделать чтобы он работал сразу?
[20:24] <Pici> !ru | snork
[20:24] <collabra> therock: sudo grub-update,... yeah,... i guess....
[20:26] <therock> collabra: there should someone make the gui for sure...
[20:28] <collabra> yeah,.. i complained about the lack of gui support and consolodation a week or two ago,... I've got no patience, since, for lack of basic research skills... :)
[20:30] <collabra> i've got no time to do for someone else what they ought to do for themselves,... including learning the terminal.
[20:31] <therock> i think startupmanager can update grub easier.. (??)
[20:32] <therock> fix-> "Startup-Manager"
[20:33] <collabra> i can just imagine the faces of the adept everytime a question comes along basic to fundamentals... unfortuneately,... tough love also comes with giving the gift of 'fishing' for himself or herself
[20:34] <collabra> and that thought comes to fruition everytime a gui i built for users of the fundamentals... :)
[20:34] <collabra> i > IS
[20:35] <collabra> both are important and ought to flourish....
[20:42] <collabra> unfortuneately,.. software engineers don't ultimately think that fundamental answers solve problems related to ignorance...
[20:45] <therock> collabra: i dont get what exactly you mean
[20:46] <DiogenesW> gute nacht
[20:47] <collabra> if you were an engineer,... what greater ignorance is there except a lack of knowledge concerning his system,...
[20:47] <collabra> i'm sure he'd be quite put off by your lack of faith in his terminal and what it can do...
[20:48] <collabra> he just might not care and look down on such an individual when considering carefuly his code.
[20:49] <collabra> it's elite,.. the terminal,.. and someone needs to make it accessable to those of us within the gui
[20:51] <collabra> that's it that's all,.. now,.. whether it'll get done,.. i dunno,... but i'll advocate for greater control for the users,... not the coders.
[20:52] <collabra> and after all if the illusion of control is a simple gui,.. well,... give them the illusion of it,... it's certainly needed
[20:54] <therock> terminal is an old way. Its an alternative. cannot put it on primary use. slowing down jobs.
[20:56] <lieuwe> i've been trying to get some floppys formated, but kubuntu is giving me some trouble, i can't write the contents of the floppy for some reason, anyone any idea why this is?
[20:56] <moetunes> I like the terminal - I find it quicker and lighter on resources and I can link several apps together
[20:57] <therock> like now. its easier to talk than to chat - where typing letter one by one. ins't it?
[20:57] <moetunes> lieuwe:  are you in the floppy group?
[20:58] <lieuwe> moetunes: probably not, how do i make sure i am?
[20:59] <moetunes> lieuwe:  to check in konsole use   groups
[20:59] <lieuwe> moetunes: lieuwe adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin netdev admin sambashare pulse pulse-access, so nope
[20:59] <lieuwe> moetunes: how do i add myself?
[21:00] <moetunes> one minpls
[21:02] <therock> does people still use floppy these days? (sorry-lieuwe :)
[21:02] <lieuwe> therock: :P
[21:02] <lieuwe> therock: not really, but i need to test some retarded os
[21:03] <lieuwe> therock: i've only got a floppydrive in mah pc 'cause it was free :P
[21:03] <collabra> lieuwe: hey....
[21:03] <lieuwe> collabra: hai
[21:03] <lieuwe> collabra: do i know you?
[21:03] <collabra> lieuwe: you better be talkin bout microsoft
[21:03] <lieuwe> nopezorz!
[21:03] <lieuwe> diy os
[21:04] <collabra> lieuwe: well, retarded is as retarded does...
[21:04] <lieuwe> indeed
[21:04] <collabra> i'm retarded and proud of it..:)
[21:04] <moetunes> lieuwe:   sudo usermod -G floppy username   and logout/login
[21:05] <collabra> i'm fully up on all retardation that isn't genetic...
[21:05] <lieuwe> moetunes: thnks
[21:05] <collabra> i wallow in my retardation...
[21:05] <lieuwe> :P
[21:05] <kt__> hey
[21:05] <collabra> it's a great place to be since everyone else is there too...
[21:06] <collabra> kt__: hey....!
[21:06] <collabra> no exceptions...
[21:10] <therock> is there any issue kde will make 3d graphic for system?
[21:10] <collabra> therock: what,...?
[21:10] <lieuwe> moetunes: now it gives me "error:device not correctly defined"
[21:11] <moetunes> lieuwe:  is there an entry for it in /etc/fstab ?
[21:11] <therock> collabra: 3d graphic menus, not just a flat image
[21:11] <moetunes> desktop effects can do that
[21:12] <lieuwe> moetunes: /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[21:12] <moetunes> seems fine
[21:12] <collabra> therock: i've been thinking that most screens will be touch screens,.. and yeah,.. i'm down with a 3d gui.
[21:13] <collabra> shtd be cool with a mouse...
[21:13] <lieuwe> moetunes: also, them command messed up my groups, now it's only "lieuwe floppy"
[21:13] <moetunes> lieuwe:  with no floppy in run   dmesg | tail   and then insert a floppy and run that command again
[21:13] <lieuwe> moetunes: same result
[21:13] <therock> moetunes: it does, but not gui and menus.
[21:13] <collabra> things flippin and missin each other in a cool way to bring up a buried window,...
[21:13] <moetunes> lieuwe:   sudo usermod -G floppy  adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin netdev admin sambashare pulse pulse-accessusername   and logout/login
[21:13] <collabra> sounds cool to me...
[21:14] <lieuwe> moetunes: err, typo?
[21:14] <moetunes> lieuwe:  nope multitasking ...
[21:15] <lieuwe> -.-
[21:15] <lieuwe> moetunes: oh fuck, lieuwe is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[21:15] <therock> collabra: aurorae themes has started it by using vector for close windows buttons, right?
[21:15] <lieuwe> moetunes: now there's no one with sudo access
[21:16] <moetunes> lieuwe:  sorry - use the recovery option at boot - just write down the groups you need
[21:16] <collabra> therock: you can sound like you don't actually know to make me look ignorant of linux tech if you want....
[21:16] <lieuwe> moetunes: -.-
[21:16] <collabra> therock: but,.. RIGHT!!!! =)
[21:17] <therock> collabra: what do you mean..? i dont get it :(
[21:17] <collabra> therock: i don't either,.. i'm retarded remember,... :)
[21:18] <collabra> goofy and gone off the deep end...
[21:18] <collabra> don't bother listening to what i say,... it'll only drive you crazy,...
[21:18] <collabra> the best you can do is just let it be,... :)
[21:19] <collabra> for i truly haven't got an actuall answer to your question,.. but i'm sure i've forgotten it already anyways...
[21:19] <collabra> sorry for the tude,...
[21:20] <collabra> woke up on the wrong side of the bedpost this morning...
[21:23] <therock> its a commonly..
[21:28] <lieuwe> moetunes: it wont work
[21:29] <lieuwe> moetunes: i do the usermod -G blah command, and all it does is print usage info
[21:29] <lieuwe> moetunes: i really need this fixed :P
[21:31] <lieuwe> anyone else here any idea why the recovery console wont work?
[21:32] <collabra> lieuwe: maybe it hasn't been thorougly tested.
[21:32] <lieuwe> collabra: that would suck balls
[21:33] <lieuwe> collabra: allt it does atm is print a help message when i enter a command
[21:33] <collabra> lieuwe: no, i would suck balls,... if i were a woman... but unproven software is 10.10's jack in trade,... uh, oh... did i start something.
[21:34] <lieuwe> collabra: but, like, why would you change anything about a recovery console that could break it?
[21:35] <moetunes> lieuwe:  sudo usermod -a -G floppy,adm,dialout,cdrom,plugdev,lpadmin,netdev,admin,sambashare,pulse,pulse-access username   and logout/login
[21:35] <collabra> lieuwe: i'm not entirely sure they did.
[21:35] <lieuwe> moetunes: well, the login/logout is given as i need to reboot :P
[21:35] <collabra> lieuwe: are you?
[21:35] <lieuwe> collabra: am i what?
[21:35] <lieuwe> anyways, brb
[21:36] <collabra> lieuwe: sure they change anything about the recovery console...
[21:36] <collabra> changed
[21:38] <collabra> lieuwe: naw,.. i'm just bustin ur balls,and wastin ur time... small talk :) got the time...? I'm in the Pacific NorthWest...
[21:38] <collabra> lieuwe: how bout you?
[21:39] <collabra> lol
[21:39] <K350> When upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 will I kep my programs or do I've to re-install them?
[21:40] <lieuwe> moetunes: well, i can sudo again, lets see if i can format them floppy
[21:41] <lieuwe> moetunes: urk, still no floppy access tho
[21:41] <collabra> K350: don't upgrade is my advice... your potential grief might not become reality.
[21:42] <collabra> K350: the latest and greatest software historically isn't stable,... and in 10.10's case history repeats,.. stay with LTS
[21:43] <lieuwe> anyone here any idea why i can't write to floppy?
[21:43] <moetunes> lieuwe:  are you sure the floppy drive still works? or the disk isn't dead?
[21:43] <lieuwe> moetunes: the drive works,
[21:43] <lieuwe> moetunes: it doesn;t even try to read the disk
[21:43] <frecuenciaderese> hola
[21:43] <moetunes> dmesg should mention something when a disk is inserted iirc
[21:44] <lieuwe> moetunes: floppydrives don't detect it if a disk is inserted, it just checks before writing/reading
[21:44] <collabra> !es
[21:45] <lieuwe> moetunes: no other reason why it might be borked?
[21:46] <therock> lieuwe: are you sure your floppy is not broken?
[21:47] <lieuwe> therock: it works from windows
[21:48] <moetunes> lieuwe:  I have'nt used a floppy this century - from here - http://lovinglinux.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1321045 - it seems you need root  access
[21:50] <youngki> hello
[21:50] <youngki> anyone using kubuntu?
[21:52] <moetunes> heh prob 284 ppl in this channel are :)
[21:59] <moetunes> lieuwe:  get the disk written yet?
[22:00] <K350> collabra: Oh, well..maybe I should stay with LTS..hm
[22:00] <lieuwe> moetunes: nope
[22:00] <moetunes> lieuwe:  root access didn't work then?
[22:01] <lieuwe> moetunes: nope
[22:02] <moetunes> alt+F2   kdesudo dolphin   and you don't get access - check dmesg there has to be messages left there if the disk drive works
[22:04] <therock> what's the most differences between 10.10 and TLS?
[22:04] <lieuwe> moetunes: ugh, imma just wreck a couple cds for this, too much work this way
[22:04] <moetunes> the lts has 3 yrs support for the desktop - 18 mnths for 10.10
[22:05] <therock> fix-> LTS :/
[22:06] <therock> what does support mean? it will not be developed after next 18 mnth?
[22:07] <moetunes> yep
[22:07] <moetunes> !eol
[22:07] <collabra> K350: yeh maybe
[22:16] <therock> ubottu: (by the way) thankyou for helping me out of my audio problem. I just need to keep default kubuntu 10.10 dvd version of pulseaudio and libpulse0. Plus installing pavucontroll. Now my sound is much-much better. Thanks. :)
[22:16] <moetunes> !bot
[22:16] <moetunes> !lag
[22:18] <therock> moetunes: so ubottu is a bot..? wow :||
[22:18] <moetunes> heh :)
[22:18] <collabra> therock: pulse,.. <vomit>
[22:20] <therock> collabra: excuse me?
[22:22] <collabra> therock: gotta go,.. tell ya in 20 30 minutes if you're still here and i even remember.
[22:23] <Benkinooby> !nautilus
[22:24] <moetunes> nautilus is the gnome file manager Benkinooby
[22:24] <moetunes> !info nautilus
[22:40] <therock> where is ubuntu 10.10 change log?
[22:41] <moetunes> !maverick
[22:42] <moetunes> check the release info link
[22:43] <collabra> therock: what can i say about pulse,... I think it's immature to be a replacement for a steady standard.
[22:47] <therock> i dont really know about kubuntu audio. but I think it just need someaudio effect like room effect, noise reduction, and sound clipping controll to enchance the audio...
[22:48] <collabra> therock: pulse mis-sampled my experimental live recordings...at times not being able to keep up,... and it's supposed to be the realtime  next-gen....?  nope,.. it simply failed my test... not to mention the pitiful poor blind and naked audio controls... lol
[22:49] <collabra> therock: nope,... thank god,... squeeze ships with alsa.
[22:49] <moetunes> !pulseaudio
[22:49] <collabra> therock: i plan to switch the day it goes stable.
[22:51] <collabra> therock: and forever live in bliss with the defacto-linux standard in secure and stable.
[22:51] <collabra> therock: look at me,.. i'm giddy!!!!
[22:52] <therock> but. bytheway. when i totally remove pulseaudio from my system, the sound goes flat like an old audio system..    (???)
[22:53] <collabra> therock: so what,...remove your thumb,.. what can you hold on to?
[22:54] <collabra> therock: your argument isn't made with any sense,...if you are promoting pulse, that is.
[22:54] <therock> when I update to newer version, the sound terribly goes crockery
[22:54] <therock> i need dictionary :)
[22:55] <collabra> newer version,... from what to what?
[22:55] <collabra> 10.04 to 10.10
[22:55] <collabra> ????
[22:55] <therock> so i have stuck on dvd default 10.10 amd dvd of kubuntu..
[22:56] <therock> the libpulse0 and pulseaudio
[22:56] <collabra> it's my understanding the current big fad the ubuntu family is facing is upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10,...
[22:57] <collabra> is this your upgrade?
[22:57] <therock> no, im not.
[22:57] <therock> clean install
[22:58] <collabra> ah,.. what then 10.10 upgrade to what,.. or just a clean install of 10.10,... ?
[22:58] <therock> i just already use kubuntu for these 2 month
[22:58] <therock> clean install of kubuntu 10.10 amd64
[22:58] <collabra> therock: that's fine,... but 10.10 uses the pulse audio you say kills your audio,...?
[22:59] <collabra> therock: and you seem to be backing pulse,...I'm confused
[22:59] <collabra> to let you know 10.04 uses alsa,... 10.10 uses pulse,... again,...
[22:59] <collabra> therock: pulse,.. <vomit>
[23:00] <therock> it didn kill but crockery my sound if i update the libpulse0 and pulseaudio and its friends
[23:00] <collabra> therock: what with,.. ppa's?
[23:01] <therock> its default like from dvd
[23:01] <collabra> therock: ???
[23:02] <collabra> therock: okay,.. you win... lol
[23:02] <therock> collabra: i dont win anything..??
[23:03] <collabra> therock: ok,... i just got it,... a typical install using the dvd,.. and then you update it and it's fixed,.. well, great,.. you're fortunate to be satisfied with 10.10,...
[23:04] <collabra> not sure you know the difference, though.
[23:04] <therock> when i update to 0ubuntu21.1
[23:05] <therock> from 0ubuntu21
[23:06] <collabra> but hey,.. i'm glad it's working for ya... and glad you use debian. Preference is a right when it comes to distros, yah!
[23:06] <collabra> :)
[23:07] <therock> i dont really know about distros.
[23:08] <therock> it just difficult to get annother distros from here.. :)
[23:08] <collabra> therock: well, there's hundreds of em,.. most i think based on debian,... just like ubuntu.
[23:08] <collabra> Personally I'd rather have the real thing than just a picture... :)
[23:09] <collabra> the excitement just isn't the same unless it's real.
[23:09] <therock> bytheway, much people here using ubuntu for linux or suse for office. so why not..?
[23:09] <collabra> therock: different reasons
[23:10] <collabra> therock: mainly preference,...
[23:11] <collabra> stability,.. security,.. ease of use,.. support,.. take ur pick.
[23:11] <therock> actually, i have fall in luv to pclinuxos. but it just 32bit..
[23:12] <collabra> therock: lol,... yeah architecture is a reason also.
[23:12] <collabra> features
[23:13] <collabra> patch support.
[23:13] <collabra> bug fixing...
[23:13] <therock> features and... on where?
[23:13] <collabra> security updates,... time,.. frequency,.. (discovery to fix time)
[23:14] <collabra> lotsa different reason different people choose different distros.
[23:14] <collabra> reasons
[23:16] <collabra> it's rocket science only to a rocket scientist...
[23:16] <collabra> which in an abstract way plays a big part in distro selection.
[23:16] <therock> no reasons. I just learn to use annother os than wind. and firsly i found ubuntu. so i use ubuntu. but later i found kubuntu looks better. so i use kubuntu. :)
[23:17] <sergi> hi
[23:17] <collabra> duh,... a rocket scientist isn't going to think the same way about a linux distro, as say, a high school student.
[23:18] <collabra> inteligence also is involved,... and im rolflmao at this moment.
[23:18] <collabra> i crack myself up...
[23:22] <therock> collabra: be easy. enjoy.. its morning now. I need to eat.
[23:23] <howlymowly> hi poeple...
[23:24] <howlymowly> short question:   I just reinstalled my system and used "home directory encryption" ...  now I have the question:  in case I have to restore my home directory...  how do I decrypt my own files?
[23:25] <howlymowly> for example after a reinstallation of my system...
[23:48] <zwox> hi there
[23:48] <zwox> i have just one little question about device notifier
[23:49] <zwox> i seen that kioclient exec . opens the . directory in default file browser
[23:49] <zwox> and am wondering how to add a kioclient command to mount a removable media without browsing it
[23:50] <zwox> anyone could help ? i already read the manual and the help but found nothing
[23:50] <Walzmyn> zwox: you can mount with out browsing. Just click the little symbol out on the right of the device's name
[23:51] <Walzmyn> foods, on the table, g'luck
[23:51] <zwox> thank you Walzmyn, i should have try this one first
[23:51] <zwox> enjoy your meal