[04:30] <ashtray> I've been here for like 24 hours and no one has said a damn thing
[06:44] <Makere> :D
[06:44] <Makere> it was weekend
[06:44] <Makere> nobody's working with a cloud on weekends duh
[06:44] <Makere> ;P
[06:45] <ashtray> ?
[06:45] <ashtray> monday is over
[06:45] <flaccid> its tuesday night here
[06:47] <Makere> ah yes
[06:47] <Makere> it's tuesday
[06:48] <Makere> my bad
[06:48] <ashtray> lol
[06:49] <Makere> plus someone had said in the 24hrs something
[06:49] <Makere> anyways, how do I associate ip-address to nodes, they seem to have lost their public ip's overnight and the associate command gives permission denied while trying to release address
[06:54] <sometux> Would someone explain how the computer resources are assigned to each server in the cloud, for example If there's been required two Xeon CPUs how they are virtually assigned? what's the technology used? Is it supposed to be two actual Xeon CPUs to meet the requirement?
[07:37] <TeTeT> anyone knows where to get the tinylinux image for UEC from?
[08:06] <Makere> I hate my life
[08:09] <Makere> TeTeT: it should be rather easy to make it yourself
[08:09] <TeTeT> Makere: really? never done so
[08:09] <Makere> yes
[08:10] <Makere> lemme find a link to howto
[08:11] <Makere> http://cssoss.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/eucalyptus-beginner%E2%80%99s-guide-%E2%80%93-uec-edition-chapter-4-%E2%80%93-image%C2%A0management/
[08:11] <Makere> there
[08:12] <Makere> anyways, why doesn't my cloud work after being turned off
[08:17] <TeTeT> Makere: thanks. I forgot that I could simply loopback mount the official image and inject anything
[08:17] <TeTeT> Makere: well, if  it's turned off it should not be running?
[08:20] <Makere> well after starting it ofcourse :)
[08:23] <TeTeT> Makere: hmm, does euca-describe-availability-zones give any output?
[08:23] <Makere> yea
[08:24] <Makere> got running now
[08:24] <Makere> what can I do to preserve instances?
[08:24] <Makere> to survive shutdown
[08:25] <TeTeT> Makere: just restart eucalyptus without CLEAN=1
[08:25] <TeTeT> Makere: they should be still there, but not sure about the survivability of the network
[08:28] <Makere> but if I shutdown the machines completely
[08:28] <Makere> although now couple had survived
[08:29] <Makere> but they didn't have public ip
[08:29] <TeTeT> Makere: yeah, the public ip is assigned via NAT on the CC, if you reboot it, it will loose it's memory
[08:30] <TeTeT> Makere: in summary, the front-end (CC+CLC) is really the brain of your cloud. If it goes down/reboots, so will your cloud
[08:31] <Makere> so will I lose my virtual machines by shutting down controllers?
[08:31] <Makere> or are they preserved?
[08:31] <Makere> should I shutdown CC or CLC first?
[08:33] <TeTeT> Makere: you should first stop all instances, then reboot the front-end. I think CC first, then CLC
[08:34] <Makere> how do I stop the instances without terminating them?
[08:34] <Makere> just shutdown -h now?
[08:35] <Makere> or is there some distributed way of doing that?
[08:35] <TeTeT> Makere: yes, shutdown -h from inside the instance should do the trick
[08:37] <Makere> how do I start them afterwards then?
[08:37] <flaccid> isn't that a terminate?
[08:38] <Makere> well how does eucalyptus recover from power outage
[08:39]  * nigelb joins kim0's world :p
[08:41] <TeTeT> Makere: you need to restart the cloud and the apps running on top of it
[08:49] <Makere> I did shutdown -h now
[08:49] <Makere> it doesn't start anymore
[08:51] <Makere> now it expired
[08:57] <Makere> ok tried to shutdown CC's and then CLC
[08:57] <Makere> and restart
[08:58] <Makere> VM didn't get proper public IP
[08:58] <Makere> and won't allow me to associate ip to it
[16:17] <jmgalloway> anyone here?
[16:23] <nigelb> no
[16:46] <jmgalloway> is it ok to change the permissions on the /var/lib/eucalyptus/keys directory?
[17:27] <vadi2> Hi. Where does one get started with the EC2 and their free offer & Ubuntu from scratch? I found this: http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2010/11/using-ubunt-images-on-aws-free-tier.html which assumes that ec2-api-tools is up and running. I downloaded it, but it comes with no visible instructions.
[20:37] <Makere> is it possible to take a snapshot from virtual machine state in eucalyptus?
[20:41] <Makere> or do I need to create a script that mounts a volume, tars everything up and puts in there?
[21:06] <smoser> Makere, the answer is most likely 'no'
[21:06] <smoser> euca-bundle-vol is what you would use to basically copy '/' into a new "bundle" that could then be passed to euca-upload-bundle and euca-register-image.
[21:06] <Makere> ok
[21:06] <smoser> but there is nothing that would give you that below the VM
[21:07] <Makere> thank you
[21:07] <smoser> and, in reality, you'd want to shut the vm down anyway just to make sure you had a clean filesystem
[21:08] <Makere> but when I shutdown the whole cluster (all controller machines), instances either dissappear or lose their public ip
[21:09] <Makere> oh lol, I googled something and noticed that I ended up on smosers blog
[21:10] <Makere> I guess I need to start tomorrow by creating some sort of backup plan
[21:10] <smoser> well, the whole idea is that you should be not be putting state in the instances themselves
[21:10] <smoser> but putting any important data on an ebs volume
[21:10] <smoser> i realize that isn't 100% realistic
[21:11] <smoser> and is really why EC2 backed off that and started offering EBS root
[21:11] <smoser> (ebs root instances will be available in 11.04 UEC, per eucalyptus)
[21:11] <Makere> ....
[21:11] <Makere> well nice to know :)
[21:11] <jmgalloway> anyone know how to use hsql at the command line?
[21:11] <smoser> but the idea of "the cloud" is that your intsances are ephemeral
[21:11] <smoser> and you should design for their failure above them
[21:12] <smoser> anyway... but backing up, what you'll get in /var/lib/eucalyptus... instance-id... is a disk image, not a partition image.
[21:12] <jmgalloway> seems that eucalyptus uses hsql to store data, I was wondering how to get access by command line to hsql
[21:12] <smoser> it will be a full backup, but if you ever had to create a new AMI based on it, you'd have to get the partition image out of the disk image.
[21:14] <Makere> hrr
[21:14] <Makere> I starting to lose the point of having a cloud in the first place
[21:14] <Makere> just too many negative things
[21:15] <Makere> so there is no way to put root on ebs volume before 11.04?
[21:18] <Makere> ah well, good night
[23:29] <vadi2> How come ec2-run-instances isn't detecting the mykey file? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/295273/
[23:33] <ashtray> It doesn't look like mykey is in your clouds folder
[23:34] <ashtray> is it in the same folder you are running the command from?
[23:34] <vadi2> Yeah...
[23:35] <vadi2> $ ls cert-JCQRPACIXXAID2UHNV3RODMYAXFC6W7T.pem  mykey  pk-JCQRPACIXXAID2UHNV3RODMYAXFC6W7T.pem
[23:35] <vadi2> vadi@vadi-laptop:~/Documents/Cloud Computing$ ec2-run-instances --region us-east-1 --instance-type t1.micro --key mykey ami-548c783d Client.InvalidKeyPair.NotFound: The key pair 'mykey' does not exist
[23:35] <vadi2> Erm, do the cert and pk ids matter?
[23:36] <ashtray> idk i've never connected to an instance like that
[23:36] <vadi2> Just pasted them by accident here - should I redo them now? heh
[23:37] <vadi2> Trying to follow http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2010/11/using-ubunt-images-on-aws-free-tier.html instructions here for the 10gb root image
[23:37] <ashtray> sorry I'm the wrong person to ask.  I haven't created an instance from the command line
[23:37] <ashtray> I create from AWS interface
[23:37] <ashtray> just thought i would try to help since no one else answered
[23:38] <vadi2> alrighty
[23:38] <vadi2> did you make yours be 10gb ubuntu?
[23:38] <ashtray> ya
[23:38] <vadi2> oh well, I'll try that then
[23:38] <vadi2> followed any guide or just clicked about?
[23:38] <ashtray> oh ur on the free tier/
[23:38] <ashtray> ?
[23:39] <vadi2> yeah
[23:39] <ashtray> i was looking at that article last night
[23:39] <ashtray> didn't try it out though
[23:39] <vadi2> alright