| hughbert | good morning | 03:29 |
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| hughbert | anybody up? | 03:29 |
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| czajkowski | aloha | 12:29 |
| czajkowski | hows folks | 12:29 |
| ebel | yo yo | 12:30 |
| tdr112 | afternoon | 13:09 |
| ShaneM | Hey tdr112 | 13:17 |
| IRWolfie- | eek | 16:24 |
| infoturtle | oh no! | 16:24 |
| czajkowski | yes? | 16:25 |
| IRWolfie- | probably dodgy bnc | 16:25 |
| lau1 | any one knows were I could borrow an ADSL "modem" for a few hours | 18:06 |
| infoturtle | where are you? | 18:06 |
| lau1 | Co.Dublin (balbriggan) | 18:07 |
| infoturtle | dam, I have one but I'm limerick, sorry | 18:07 |
| lau1 | no bother it's a long shot | 18:07 |
| jtoomey | hello all | 19:19 |
| infoturtle | :) hallo! | 19:19 |
| jtoomey | hi! hows it going? | 19:20 |
| infoturtle | all cool,messing with layouts for the ubutu-ie page and various other nerd things, any news from the front line? | 19:22 |
| jtoomey | not really tbh. bored out of my tree in a lecture at the moment... | 19:25 |
| jtoomey | ubuntu.ie is it? | 19:25 |
| jtoomey | oh | 19:25 |
| jtoomey | clearly not | 19:25 |
| jtoomey | ubuntu-ie.org? | 19:26 |
| infoturtle | yea, like i said just messing,wana see the colour and layout I did, again nothings fully coded and its a play thing | 19:26 |
| jtoomey | the colour and top banner could do with a refresh ... | 19:27 |
| infoturtle | I know it's so dull | 19:28 |
| jtoomey | more purple/orange :D | 19:28 |
| infoturtle | I went with orange cause of countdown to the maverick meerkat release was orange | 19:29 |
| infoturtle | http://infoturtle.ie/Ubuntuie/index.php | 19:29 |
| jtoomey | this is awesome:http://i.imgur.com/rNOlQ.jpg | 19:29 |
| infoturtle | ha ha!! now thats a headline!! | 19:30 |
| jtoomey | the site looks cool! | 19:30 |
| jtoomey | bit more alive anyway :D | 19:30 |
| infoturtle | thank you, I've only been 2~3 hours at t and nothings proper coded but it can get done | 19:31 |
| jtoomey | i wonder if you could use this at all - for consistancy: http://font.ubuntu.com/ | 19:31 |
| infoturtle | sure no prob | 19:32 |
| infoturtle | I'll change it later tho cause the match is about to start | 19:32 |
| jtoomey | ah, cool | 19:33 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 19:36 |
| jtoomey | hey - hows it going? | 19:37 |
| czajkowski | good thanks | 19:37 |
| czajkowski | how are things? | 19:37 |
| jtoomey | grand thanks, bored in college :D | 19:38 |
| czajkowski | heh | 19:38 |
| czajkowski | where are you in college? | 19:38 |
| jtoomey | DIT Kevin St. | 19:38 |
| jtoomey | czajkowski: do you know anyone who is good with GTK+? | 19:41 |
| czajkowski | hmmm | 19:41 |
| czajkowski | not of hand I don't sorry | 19:41 |
| czajkowski | chances are there is an irc channel though | 19:41 |
| jtoomey | sure, ill have a look, thanks! | 19:43 |
| czajkowski | off hand I jsut dont know | 19:44 |
| czajkowski | sorry | 19:44 |
| ShaneM | gnome dev channel or something? | 19:45 |
| czajkowski | aye | 19:45 |
| ShaneM | I usually ask gtk questions in the vala channel | 19:45 |
| ShaneM | But I'm doing vala coding, so I don't know if they'd be so helpful. | 19:46 |
| jtoomey | vala eh? | 19:46 |
| ShaneM | Yep | 19:47 |
| ShaneM | It's a C# like language | 19:47 |
| ShaneM | Compiles to C | 19:47 |
| jtoomey | ah ok cool | 19:47 |
| jtoomey | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels | 19:47 |
| jtoomey | that looks good | 19:48 |
| ShaneM | It's alot faster then C# though | 19:48 |
| ShaneM | And sometimes faster then C++ | 19:48 |
| jtoomey | this vala thing looks interesting - is it used much? | 19:50 |
| ShaneM | Alot of new gnome applications are using it | 19:50 |
| ShaneM | Because it allows for faster development | 19:50 |
| ShaneM | Hmm trying to think of applications using it now. | 19:50 |
| ShaneM | Shotwell on Ubuntu is made using Vala | 19:51 |
| ShaneM | I think all applications made by yorba.org uses Vala. | 19:52 |
| jtoomey | it doesnt have anything to do with Mono does it? | 19:52 |
| ShaneM | Nope | 19:52 |
| ShaneM | Basically how it works | 19:53 |
| ShaneM | It you code in Vala and the vala compiler converts it to native C code. | 19:53 |
| jtoomey | ah cool | 19:53 |
| ShaneM | So it doesn't use a Virtual Machine like C# | 19:53 |
| ShaneM | So there's less overhead and the application is faster. | 19:53 |
| ShaneM | It's a pretty new language, but I think it's slowly becoming the standard language to use for gnome applications. | 19:54 |
| jtoomey | ah ok - cool | 19:55 |
| jtoomey | ill take a look at the tutorial when i get a chance.. | 19:55 |
| jtoomey | it looks very JAVAish | 19:56 |
| ShaneM | Hmmm well it you've used C# it's very very similar. | 19:57 |
| ShaneM | It does some things very different to Java. | 19:57 |
| ShaneM | I don't really program in Java, so I can't comment really past the documentation. | 19:57 |
| jtoomey | i have only had a few run ins with C# | 19:57 |
| ShaneM | Ah I see. | 19:58 |
| jtoomey | its really interesting to see where things are going | 19:59 |
| ShaneM | In terms of Vala or in general ? | 19:59 |
| jtoomey | well - with vala being the next step for gnome development | 19:59 |
| ShaneM | Yeah | 19:59 |
| ShaneM | I think it really speeds up the process. | 20:00 |
| ShaneM | And you're not really compensating on speed either. | 20:00 |
| jtoomey | is there an ide or something? C# is nothing without the VS ide.. | 20:00 |
| ShaneM | So I think it's a win win. | 20:00 |
| ShaneM | Well there's an IDE called Val(a)IDE | 20:00 |
| ShaneM | But it's actually quiet simple to compile from terminal. | 20:01 |
| ShaneM | And I'm not really a terminal guy either. | 20:01 |
| ShaneM | http://www.valaide.org/ | 20:01 |
| ShaneM | Or you can use the gedit plugin http://yorba.org/valencia/ | 20:02 |
| ShaneM | I rather not use the gedit plugin because I use gedit for reading files quickly | 20:02 |
| jtoomey | ah interesting | 20:02 |
| ShaneM | But I'd go with ValaIDE | 20:03 |
| ShaneM | It's nice. | 20:03 |
| jtoomey | so despite my best efforts i have learned something tonight :P | 20:03 |
| ShaneM | :) | 20:03 |
| ShaneM | I'm still learning Vala stuff, so I'm not too far behind you :) | 20:03 |
| jtoomey | what are you using it for? | 20:03 |
| ShaneM | Just hobby | 20:03 |
| jtoomey | ah ok | 20:04 |
| ShaneM | At the moment I'm writing my own IDE | 20:04 |
| ShaneM | So I can learn more about compilers, lexers, parsers etc. | 20:04 |
| ShaneM | I also thought it might be cool to try and make an XNA styled framework for Vala. | 20:06 |
| jtoomey | XNA? | 20:09 |
| infoturtle | XNA is Not an Acronym | 20:10 |
| ShaneM | Yeah | 20:12 |
| ShaneM | It's a game framework for C# | 20:12 |
| ShaneM | But it only works on Windows and Xbox. | 20:12 |
| infoturtle | for winodws | 20:12 |
| jtoomey | ahh ok | 20:12 |
| ShaneM | And it's proprietary. | 20:12 |
| infoturtle | mono is in linux but not as good | 20:12 |
| ShaneM | XNA doesn't work on Linux. | 20:13 |
| ShaneM | Because it's using Direct3D is assume. | 20:13 |
| infoturtle | is it? I use it and have never paid?? | 20:13 |
| ShaneM | is it what? | 20:13 |
| infoturtle | proprietary, that means you have to pay, dosen't it?? | 20:13 |
| ShaneM | inforturtle: Naww just means they don't release the source code. | 20:14 |
| infoturtle | oh, well that made me look stupid.... | 20:14 |
| ShaneM | Some you have to pay licences for like photoshop or something. | 20:14 |
| ShaneM | But some like say windows media player which is free is proprietary, as in you can't view the source, only use the software. | 20:15 |
| ShaneM | inforturtle: It's ok :) | 20:15 |
| infoturtle | ^^, I get it now, i was told steam will never come to linux cause its proprietary and i thought that ment you had to pay for it's services | 20:16 |
| ShaneM | Oh naww | 20:16 |
| ShaneM | IMO Steam coming to Linux is more about there being a user base and not the price. | 20:16 |
| ShaneM | I think the people who want Steam on Linux don't care about it being proprietary. | 20:17 |
| jtoomey | i dont see it happening any time soon.. | 20:17 |
| infoturtle | yea, I'd just love to drop windows altogether, still use games and .net | 20:17 |
| ShaneM | I stopped using Windows when I finished college. | 20:18 |
| infoturtle | no,even if it will games will still not run as well | 20:18 |
| ShaneM | jtoomey: I think it's a good bit away, but sooner then alot of people think. I mean Value has already ported most of their games to OpenGL. So there's not too much work left for Linux support. | 20:18 |
| infoturtle | I tried running unreal in linux before, it's not worth it, someday maybe tho | 20:19 |
| ShaneM | Hmm well alot of depends on how it's made. | 20:21 |
| jtoomey | there is still the issue of closed source drivers for graphics cards which never seems to go away *cough* *nvidia* *cough* | 20:21 |
| ShaneM | Yeah | 20:21 |
| infoturtle | ha ha nice stab jtoomey | 20:21 |
| ShaneM | Like if you play something like Penumbra it runs like a dream on Linux. | 20:22 |
| infoturtle | oh ya?! | 20:22 |
| infoturtle | might check that out | 20:22 |
| ShaneM | So alot of it has to do with developers not spending enough time or not knowing enough about Linux development | 20:22 |
| ShaneM | Like say with World of Goo, they had issues with OpenAL on linux | 20:22 |
| ShaneM | I would assume because they don't know music about pulse audio/gstreamer etc etc on Linux. | 20:23 |
| infoturtle | I know but is it not worth looking into for them to make sales? it'sodd that they don't | 20:23 |
| ShaneM | Hmmm | 20:23 |
| ShaneM | It is an it isn't | 20:24 |
| ShaneM | Like | 20:24 |
| jtoomey | i used to play EVE Online on linux - they had a native client but they gave up developing it becuse they simply wernt getting enough users... pity | 20:24 |
| ShaneM | For Linux most Linux people are happy that they even have the game | 20:24 |
| ShaneM | And they're more willing then Windows users to accpect bugs | 20:24 |
| ShaneM | Provided it doesn't ruin the game or anything. | 20:24 |
| jtoomey | then again - you will see a lot of movement in the casual game space on linux for mobile devices - android/meego etc on phones tablets/netbooks/phones - thats what its all gonna be about soon enough | 20:25 |
| jtoomey | casual games like angry birds | 20:25 |
| ShaneM | Yeah | 20:25 |
| infoturtle | yea good point | 20:25 |
| jtoomey | anyone go to the meego conf in dublin last(?) week? | 20:26 |
| ShaneM | Naww I couldn't make it | 20:26 |
| ShaneM | I talked to some people about the event | 20:26 |
| ShaneM | Seemed pretty positive. | 20:26 |
| jtoomey | they gave away a shedload of netbooks AFAIK | 20:26 |
| infoturtle | I'm in limerick,I miss all the good events | 20:26 |
| ShaneM | jtoomey: They gave away freed netbooks?! | 20:27 |
| jtoomey | infoturtle: <insert knife joke here> | 20:27 |
| ShaneM | Apparently there was a big point made on upstream and how that's the main focus. Which pleased alot of people. | 20:27 |
| infoturtle | ha ha heard em all before | 20:27 |
| jtoomey | ShaneM: yeah - not sure how many but.. lots | 20:28 |
| ShaneM | jtoomey: Ah fuck it | 20:28 |
| ShaneM | I should have went | 20:28 |
| ShaneM | I have a ticket :( | 20:28 |
| jtoomey | infoturtle: my da' is from limerick - i think hes likley to punch the next person who makes a "stab city" ref | 20:28 |
| jtoomey | ShaneM: i was trying to find out what day/event you had to go to to get one but noone knew | 20:29 |
| infoturtle | they getold | 20:29 |
| ShaneM | :( | 20:29 |
| infoturtle | jtoomey I changed the font but don't really see the difference | 20:29 |
| infoturtle | duno ifI changed it for sure | 20:30 |
| jtoomey | have you guys seen this? http://notthenewsireland.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/imf-to-negotiate-directly-with-westlife/ | 20:30 |
| jtoomey | i LOLed | 20:30 |
| infoturtle | http://infoturtle.ie/Ubuntuie/index.php# dose that look like the font? I can't tell, lol | 20:32 |
| ShaneM | Oh, the ubuntu-ie page is being done up? :D | 20:33 |
| infoturtle | messing with the look at the moment, it's not for sure, just an idea | 20:33 |
| ShaneM | Some of the letters aren't displaying for me in the "F�gra agus Imeachta�" | 20:34 |
| infoturtle | ha ha ya i know, I just going to use english because of the fadas | 20:34 |
| ShaneM | Ah ok :) | 20:34 |
| jtoomey | the black text looks Ubuntu-ish | 20:35 |
| jtoomey | not sure about the rest | 20:35 |
| ShaneM | Why don't you just use the default ubuntu font? | 20:35 |
| jtoomey | http://font.ubuntu.com/sample/ubuntu-0.69-quicker-brown-fox.pdf | 20:35 |
| ShaneM | I'd say you should try and keep the top bar looking like the ubuntu.com and replace the right ubuntu logo with ubuntu-ie. | 20:36 |
| jtoomey | http://i.imgur.com/xhLKM.png | 20:36 |
| infoturtle | thats the one I was trying to use, I don't own that server, I just rent it off some crowd, I have to add the font myself | 20:36 |
| ShaneM | Just my personal pref, but like you're design, do what you want :) | 20:36 |
| ShaneM | infoturtle: You could use google fonts, I'm sure they have the Ubuntu font up there. | 20:36 |
| ShaneM | That way you don't need to have access to the server. | 20:37 |
| infoturtle | egg-salad, just changed the font name to jibberish and nothing saved so the fonts there aren't Ubuntu ones, I'll look at this "google" your talking about | 20:38 |
| ShaneM | Haha | 20:39 |
| ShaneM | google have a font database and you can link it in your page. | 20:39 |
| ShaneM | So you don't need to have it on your server. | 20:39 |
| infoturtle | no ubuntu font there | 20:40 |
| infoturtle | well I cant see it | 20:40 |
| ShaneM | Ah :( | 20:40 |
| ShaneM | droid sans look nice too | 20:44 |
| ShaneM | But I think you should use the Ubuntu font since it's like Ubuntus. | 20:44 |
| infoturtle | ya, I still want to use em, I'll keep trying sure, noting better to do and the match is pretty bad | 20:45 |
| infoturtle | use the Ubuntu one's I mean | 20:45 |
| ShaneM | Well you could use Droid Sans until then, I think it looks kind of similar to Ubuntu font. | 20:46 |
| infoturtle | think I will, ok pizza and then changing font, for now tho I'm ducking out | 20:47 |
| infoturtle | cya guys ina bit | 20:47 |
| ShaneM | Later | 20:48 |
| jtoomey | laterz | 20:49 |
| jtoomey | i have to say though - i really like that new ubuntu font | 20:52 |
| jtoomey | its very attractive | 20:52 |
| jtoomey | and yes - im aware that its very sad that i am excited by a font.... | 20:52 |
| jtoomey | :-\ | 20:52 |
| ShaneM | jtoomey: I like the font too. | 20:56 |
| ShaneM | Alot of other people think it's a waste of time and mock them. | 20:56 |
| ShaneM | But I think it's important to have an image people know. | 20:57 |
| ShaneM | I mean even Fedora has a font specially for their website :) | 20:57 |
| jtoomey | really? | 20:57 |
| jtoomey | hmm.. that is quite cool | 21:01 |
| jtoomey | ok - time to go home methinks... | 21:02 |
| jtoomey | laterz! | 21:02 |
| infoturtle | just became an uncle! woo!! | 23:54 |
| infoturtle | sorry, just wanted to share the news | 23:54 |
| ShaneM | Well done :) | 23:55 |
| infoturtle | thanks shane, I take your praise willingly while doing none of the work! | 23:56 |
| ShaneM | Haha | 23:56 |
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