[03:29] <hughbert> good morning
[03:29] <hughbert> anybody up?
[12:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:29] <czajkowski> hows folks
[12:30] <ebel> yo yo
[13:09] <tdr112> afternoon
[13:17] <ShaneM> Hey tdr112
[16:24] <IRWolfie-> eek
[16:24] <infoturtle> oh no!
[16:25] <czajkowski> yes?
[16:25] <IRWolfie-> probably dodgy bnc
[18:06] <lau1> any one knows were I could borrow an ADSL "modem" for a few hours
[18:06] <infoturtle> where are you?
[18:07] <lau1> Co.Dublin (balbriggan)
[18:07] <infoturtle> dam, I have one but I'm limerick, sorry
[18:07] <lau1> no bother it's a long shot
[19:19] <jtoomey> hello all
[19:19] <infoturtle> :) hallo!
[19:20] <jtoomey> hi! hows it going?
[19:22] <infoturtle> all cool,messing with layouts for the ubutu-ie page and various other nerd things, any news from the front line?
[19:25] <jtoomey> not really tbh. bored out of my tree in a lecture at the moment...
[19:25] <jtoomey> ubuntu.ie is it?
[19:25] <jtoomey> oh
[19:25] <jtoomey> clearly not
[19:26] <jtoomey> ubuntu-ie.org?
[19:26] <infoturtle> yea, like i said just messing,wana see the colour and layout I did, again nothings fully coded and its a play thing
[19:27] <jtoomey> the colour and top banner could do with a refresh ...
[19:28] <infoturtle> I know it's so dull
[19:28] <jtoomey> more purple/orange :D
[19:29] <infoturtle> I went with orange cause of countdown to the maverick meerkat release was orange
[19:29] <infoturtle> http://infoturtle.ie/Ubuntuie/index.php
[19:29] <jtoomey> this is awesome:http://i.imgur.com/rNOlQ.jpg
[19:30] <infoturtle> ha ha!! now thats a headline!!
[19:30] <jtoomey> the site looks cool!
[19:30] <jtoomey> bit more alive anyway :D
[19:31] <infoturtle> thank you, I've only been 2~3 hours at t and nothings proper coded but it can get done
[19:31] <jtoomey> i wonder if you could use this at all - for consistancy: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[19:32] <infoturtle> sure no prob
[19:32] <infoturtle> I'll change it later tho cause the match is about to start
[19:33] <jtoomey> ah, cool
[19:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:37] <jtoomey> hey - hows it going?
[19:37] <czajkowski> good thanks
[19:37] <czajkowski> how are things?
[19:38] <jtoomey> grand thanks, bored in college :D
[19:38] <czajkowski> heh
[19:38] <czajkowski> where are you in college?
[19:38] <jtoomey> DIT Kevin St.
[19:41] <jtoomey> czajkowski: do you know anyone who is good with GTK+?
[19:41] <czajkowski> hmmm
[19:41] <czajkowski> not of hand I don't sorry
[19:41] <czajkowski> chances are there is an irc channel though
[19:43] <jtoomey> sure, ill have a look, thanks!
[19:44] <czajkowski> off hand I jsut dont know
[19:44] <czajkowski> sorry
[19:45] <ShaneM> gnome dev channel or something?
[19:45] <czajkowski> aye
[19:45] <ShaneM> I usually ask gtk questions in the vala channel
[19:46] <ShaneM> But I'm doing vala coding, so I don't know if they'd be so helpful.
[19:46] <jtoomey> vala eh?
[19:47] <ShaneM> Yep
[19:47] <ShaneM> It's a C# like language
[19:47] <ShaneM> Compiles to C
[19:47] <jtoomey> ah ok cool
[19:47] <jtoomey> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
[19:48] <jtoomey> that looks good
[19:48] <ShaneM> It's alot faster then C# though
[19:48] <ShaneM> And sometimes faster then C++
[19:50] <jtoomey> this vala thing looks interesting - is it used much?
[19:50] <ShaneM> Alot of new gnome applications are using it
[19:50] <ShaneM> Because it allows for faster development
[19:50] <ShaneM> Hmm trying to think of applications using it now.
[19:51] <ShaneM> Shotwell on Ubuntu is made using Vala
[19:52] <ShaneM> I think all applications made by yorba.org uses Vala.
[19:52] <jtoomey> it doesnt have anything to do with Mono does it?
[19:52] <ShaneM> Nope
[19:53] <ShaneM> Basically how it works
[19:53] <ShaneM> It you code in Vala and the vala compiler converts it to native C code.
[19:53] <jtoomey> ah cool
[19:53] <ShaneM> So it doesn't use a Virtual Machine like C#
[19:53] <ShaneM> So there's less overhead and the application is faster.
[19:54] <ShaneM> It's a pretty new language, but I think it's slowly becoming the standard language to use for gnome applications.
[19:55] <jtoomey> ah ok - cool
[19:55] <jtoomey> ill take a look at the tutorial when i get a chance..
[19:56] <jtoomey> it looks very JAVAish
[19:57] <ShaneM> Hmmm well it you've used C# it's very very similar.
[19:57] <ShaneM> It does some things very different to Java.
[19:57] <ShaneM> I don't really program in Java, so I can't comment really past the documentation.
[19:57] <jtoomey> i have only had a few run ins with C#
[19:58] <ShaneM> Ah I see.
[19:59] <jtoomey> its really interesting to see where things are going
[19:59] <ShaneM> In terms of Vala or in general ?
[19:59] <jtoomey> well - with vala being the next step for gnome development
[19:59] <ShaneM> Yeah
[20:00] <ShaneM> I think it really speeds up the process.
[20:00] <ShaneM> And you're not really compensating on speed either.
[20:00] <jtoomey> is there an ide or something? C# is nothing without the VS ide..
[20:00] <ShaneM> So I think it's a win win.
[20:00] <ShaneM> Well there's an IDE called Val(a)IDE
[20:01] <ShaneM> But it's actually quiet simple to compile from terminal.
[20:01] <ShaneM> And I'm not really a terminal guy either.
[20:01] <ShaneM> http://www.valaide.org/
[20:02] <ShaneM> Or you can use the gedit plugin http://yorba.org/valencia/
[20:02] <ShaneM> I rather not use the gedit plugin because I use gedit for reading files quickly
[20:02] <jtoomey> ah interesting
[20:03] <ShaneM> But I'd go with ValaIDE
[20:03] <ShaneM> It's nice.
[20:03] <jtoomey> so despite my best efforts i have learned something tonight :P
[20:03] <ShaneM> :)
[20:03] <ShaneM> I'm still learning Vala stuff, so I'm not too far behind you :)
[20:03] <jtoomey> what are you using it for?
[20:03] <ShaneM> Just hobby
[20:04] <jtoomey> ah ok
[20:04] <ShaneM> At the moment I'm writing my own IDE
[20:04] <ShaneM> So I can learn more about compilers, lexers, parsers etc.
[20:06] <ShaneM> I also thought it might be cool to try and make an XNA styled framework for Vala.
[20:09] <jtoomey> XNA?
[20:10] <infoturtle> XNA is Not an Acronym
[20:12] <ShaneM> Yeah
[20:12] <ShaneM> It's a game framework for C#
[20:12] <ShaneM> But it only works on Windows and Xbox.
[20:12] <infoturtle> for winodws
[20:12] <jtoomey> ahh ok
[20:12] <ShaneM> And it's proprietary.
[20:12] <infoturtle> mono is in linux but not as good
[20:13] <ShaneM> XNA doesn't work on Linux.
[20:13] <ShaneM> Because it's using Direct3D is assume.
[20:13] <infoturtle> is it? I use it and have never paid??
[20:13] <ShaneM> is it what?
[20:13] <infoturtle>  proprietary, that means you have to pay, dosen't it??
[20:14] <ShaneM> inforturtle: Naww just means they don't release the source code.
[20:14] <infoturtle> oh, well that made me look stupid....
[20:14] <ShaneM> Some you have to pay licences for like photoshop or something.
[20:15] <ShaneM> But some like say windows media player which is free is proprietary, as in you can't view the source, only use the software.
[20:15] <ShaneM> inforturtle: It's ok :)
[20:16] <infoturtle> ^^, I get it now, i was told steam will never come to linux cause its proprietary and i thought that ment you had to pay for it's services
[20:16] <ShaneM> Oh naww
[20:16] <ShaneM> IMO Steam coming to Linux is more about there being a user base and not the price.
[20:17] <ShaneM> I think the people who want Steam on Linux don't care about it being proprietary.
[20:17] <jtoomey> i dont see it happening any time soon..
[20:17] <infoturtle> yea, I'd just love to drop windows altogether, still use games and .net
[20:18] <ShaneM> I stopped using Windows when I finished college.
[20:18] <infoturtle> no,even if it will games will still not run as well
[20:18] <ShaneM> jtoomey: I think it's a good bit away, but sooner then alot of people think. I mean Value has already ported most of their games to OpenGL. So there's not too much work left for Linux support.
[20:19] <infoturtle> I tried running unreal in linux before, it's not worth it, someday maybe tho
[20:21] <ShaneM> Hmm well alot of depends on how it's made.
[20:21] <jtoomey> there is still the issue of closed source drivers for graphics cards which never seems to go away *cough* *nvidia* *cough*
[20:21] <ShaneM> Yeah
[20:21] <infoturtle> ha ha nice stab jtoomey
[20:22] <ShaneM> Like if you play something like Penumbra it runs like a dream on Linux.
[20:22] <infoturtle> oh ya?!
[20:22] <infoturtle> might check that out
[20:22] <ShaneM> So alot of it has to do with developers not spending enough time or not knowing enough about Linux development
[20:22] <ShaneM> Like say with World of Goo, they had issues with OpenAL on linux
[20:23] <ShaneM> I would assume because they don't know music about pulse audio/gstreamer etc etc on Linux.
[20:23] <infoturtle> I know but is it not worth looking into for them to make sales? it'sodd that they don't
[20:23] <ShaneM> Hmmm
[20:24] <ShaneM> It is an it isn't
[20:24] <ShaneM> Like
[20:24] <jtoomey> i used to play EVE Online on linux - they had a native client but they gave up developing it becuse they simply wernt getting enough users... pity
[20:24] <ShaneM> For Linux most Linux people are happy that they even have the game
[20:24] <ShaneM> And they're more willing then Windows users to accpect bugs
[20:24] <ShaneM> Provided it doesn't ruin the game or anything.
[20:25] <jtoomey> then again - you will see a lot of movement in the casual game space on linux for mobile devices - android/meego etc on phones tablets/netbooks/phones - thats what its all gonna be about soon enough
[20:25] <jtoomey> casual games like angry birds
[20:25] <ShaneM> Yeah
[20:25] <infoturtle> yea good point
[20:26] <jtoomey> anyone go to the meego conf in dublin last(?) week?
[20:26] <ShaneM> Naww I couldn't make it
[20:26] <ShaneM> I talked to some people about the event
[20:26] <ShaneM> Seemed pretty positive.
[20:26] <jtoomey> they gave away a shedload of netbooks AFAIK
[20:26] <infoturtle> I'm in limerick,I miss all the good events
[20:27] <ShaneM> jtoomey: They gave away freed netbooks?!
[20:27] <jtoomey> infoturtle: <insert knife joke here>
[20:27] <ShaneM> Apparently there was a big point made on upstream and how that's the main focus. Which pleased alot of people.
[20:27] <infoturtle> ha ha heard em all before
[20:28] <jtoomey> ShaneM: yeah - not sure how many but.. lots
[20:28] <ShaneM> jtoomey: Ah fuck it
[20:28] <ShaneM> I should have went
[20:28] <ShaneM> I have a ticket :(
[20:28] <jtoomey> infoturtle: my da' is from limerick - i think hes likley to punch the next person who makes a "stab city" ref
[20:29] <jtoomey> ShaneM: i was trying to find out what day/event you had to go to to get one but noone knew
[20:29] <infoturtle> they getold
[20:29] <ShaneM> :(
[20:29] <infoturtle> jtoomey I changed the font but don't really see the difference
[20:30] <infoturtle> duno ifI changed it for sure
[20:30] <jtoomey> have you guys seen this? http://notthenewsireland.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/imf-to-negotiate-directly-with-westlife/
[20:30] <jtoomey> i LOLed
[20:32] <infoturtle> http://infoturtle.ie/Ubuntuie/index.php# dose that look like the font? I can't tell, lol
[20:33] <ShaneM> Oh, the ubuntu-ie page is being done up? :D
[20:33] <infoturtle> messing with the look at the moment, it's not for sure, just an idea
[20:34] <ShaneM> Some of the letters aren't displaying for me in the "F�gra agus Imeachta�"
[20:34] <infoturtle> ha ha ya i know, I just going to use english because of the fadas
[20:34] <ShaneM> Ah ok :)
[20:35] <jtoomey> the black text looks Ubuntu-ish
[20:35] <jtoomey> not sure about the rest
[20:35] <ShaneM> Why don't you just use the default ubuntu font?
[20:35] <jtoomey> http://font.ubuntu.com/sample/ubuntu-0.69-quicker-brown-fox.pdf
[20:36] <ShaneM> I'd say you should try and keep the top bar looking like the ubuntu.com and replace the right ubuntu logo with ubuntu-ie.
[20:36] <jtoomey> http://i.imgur.com/xhLKM.png
[20:36] <infoturtle> thats the one I was trying to use, I don't own that server, I just rent it off some crowd, I have to add the font myself
[20:36] <ShaneM> Just my personal pref, but like you're design, do what you want :)
[20:36] <ShaneM> infoturtle: You could use google fonts, I'm sure they have the Ubuntu font up there.
[20:37] <ShaneM> That way you don't need to have access to the server.
[20:38] <infoturtle> egg-salad, just changed the font name to jibberish and nothing saved so the fonts there aren't Ubuntu ones, I'll look at this "google" your talking about
[20:39] <ShaneM> Haha
[20:39] <ShaneM> google have a font database and you can link it in your page.
[20:39] <ShaneM> So you don't need to have it on your server.
[20:40] <infoturtle> no ubuntu font there
[20:40] <infoturtle> well I cant see it
[20:40] <ShaneM> Ah :(
[20:44] <ShaneM> droid sans look nice too
[20:44] <ShaneM> But I think you should use the Ubuntu font since it's like Ubuntus.
[20:45] <infoturtle> ya, I still want to use em, I'll keep trying sure, noting better to do and the match is pretty bad
[20:45] <infoturtle> use the Ubuntu one's I mean
[20:46] <ShaneM> Well you could use Droid Sans until then, I think it looks kind of similar to Ubuntu font.
[20:47] <infoturtle> think I will, ok pizza and then changing font, for now tho I'm ducking out
[20:47] <infoturtle> cya guys ina bit
[20:48] <ShaneM> Later
[20:49] <jtoomey> laterz
[20:52] <jtoomey> i have to say though - i really like that new ubuntu font
[20:52] <jtoomey> its very attractive
[20:52] <jtoomey> and yes - im aware that its very sad that i am excited by a font....
[20:52] <jtoomey> :-\
[20:56] <ShaneM> jtoomey: I like the font too.
[20:56] <ShaneM> Alot of other people think it's a waste of time and mock them.
[20:57] <ShaneM> But I think it's important to have an image people know.
[20:57] <ShaneM> I mean even Fedora has a font specially for their website :)
[20:57] <jtoomey> really?
[21:01] <jtoomey> hmm.. that is quite cool
[21:02] <jtoomey> ok - time to go home methinks...
[21:02] <jtoomey> laterz!
[23:54] <infoturtle> just became an uncle!  woo!!
[23:54] <infoturtle> sorry, just wanted to share the news
[23:55] <ShaneM> Well done :)
[23:56] <infoturtle> thanks shane, I take your praise willingly while doing none of the work!
[23:56] <ShaneM> Haha