[03:29] good morning [03:29] anybody up? === ebel_ is now known as ebel [12:29] aloha [12:29] hows folks [12:30] yo yo [13:09] afternoon [13:17] Hey tdr112 [16:24] eek [16:24] oh no! [16:25] yes? [16:25] probably dodgy bnc [18:06] any one knows were I could borrow an ADSL "modem" for a few hours [18:06] where are you? [18:07] Co.Dublin (balbriggan) [18:07] dam, I have one but I'm limerick, sorry [18:07] no bother it's a long shot [19:19] hello all [19:19] :) hallo! [19:20] hi! hows it going? [19:22] all cool,messing with layouts for the ubutu-ie page and various other nerd things, any news from the front line? [19:25] not really tbh. bored out of my tree in a lecture at the moment... [19:25] ubuntu.ie is it? [19:25] oh [19:25] clearly not [19:26] ubuntu-ie.org? [19:26] yea, like i said just messing,wana see the colour and layout I did, again nothings fully coded and its a play thing [19:27] the colour and top banner could do with a refresh ... [19:28] I know it's so dull [19:28] more purple/orange :D [19:29] I went with orange cause of countdown to the maverick meerkat release was orange [19:29] http://infoturtle.ie/Ubuntuie/index.php [19:29] this is awesome:http://i.imgur.com/rNOlQ.jpg [19:30] ha ha!! now thats a headline!! [19:30] the site looks cool! [19:30] bit more alive anyway :D [19:31] thank you, I've only been 2~3 hours at t and nothings proper coded but it can get done [19:31] i wonder if you could use this at all - for consistancy: http://font.ubuntu.com/ [19:32] sure no prob [19:32] I'll change it later tho cause the match is about to start [19:33] ah, cool [19:36] aloha [19:37] hey - hows it going? [19:37] good thanks [19:37] how are things? [19:38] grand thanks, bored in college :D [19:38] heh [19:38] where are you in college? [19:38] DIT Kevin St. [19:41] czajkowski: do you know anyone who is good with GTK+? [19:41] hmmm [19:41] not of hand I don't sorry [19:41] chances are there is an irc channel though [19:43] sure, ill have a look, thanks! [19:44] off hand I jsut dont know [19:44] sorry [19:45] gnome dev channel or something? [19:45] aye [19:45] I usually ask gtk questions in the vala channel [19:46] But I'm doing vala coding, so I don't know if they'd be so helpful. [19:46] vala eh? [19:47] Yep [19:47] It's a C# like language [19:47] Compiles to C [19:47] ah ok cool [19:47] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels [19:48] that looks good [19:48] It's alot faster then C# though [19:48] And sometimes faster then C++ [19:50] this vala thing looks interesting - is it used much? [19:50] Alot of new gnome applications are using it [19:50] Because it allows for faster development [19:50] Hmm trying to think of applications using it now. [19:51] Shotwell on Ubuntu is made using Vala [19:52] I think all applications made by yorba.org uses Vala. [19:52] it doesnt have anything to do with Mono does it? [19:52] Nope [19:53] Basically how it works [19:53] It you code in Vala and the vala compiler converts it to native C code. [19:53] ah cool [19:53] So it doesn't use a Virtual Machine like C# [19:53] So there's less overhead and the application is faster. [19:54] It's a pretty new language, but I think it's slowly becoming the standard language to use for gnome applications. [19:55] ah ok - cool [19:55] ill take a look at the tutorial when i get a chance.. [19:56] it looks very JAVAish [19:57] Hmmm well it you've used C# it's very very similar. [19:57] It does some things very different to Java. [19:57] I don't really program in Java, so I can't comment really past the documentation. [19:57] i have only had a few run ins with C# [19:58] Ah I see. [19:59] its really interesting to see where things are going [19:59] In terms of Vala or in general ? [19:59] well - with vala being the next step for gnome development [19:59] Yeah [20:00] I think it really speeds up the process. [20:00] And you're not really compensating on speed either. [20:00] is there an ide or something? C# is nothing without the VS ide.. [20:00] So I think it's a win win. [20:00] Well there's an IDE called Val(a)IDE [20:01] But it's actually quiet simple to compile from terminal. [20:01] And I'm not really a terminal guy either. [20:01] http://www.valaide.org/ [20:02] Or you can use the gedit plugin http://yorba.org/valencia/ [20:02] I rather not use the gedit plugin because I use gedit for reading files quickly [20:02] ah interesting [20:03] But I'd go with ValaIDE [20:03] It's nice. [20:03] so despite my best efforts i have learned something tonight :P [20:03] :) [20:03] I'm still learning Vala stuff, so I'm not too far behind you :) [20:03] what are you using it for? [20:03] Just hobby [20:04] ah ok [20:04] At the moment I'm writing my own IDE [20:04] So I can learn more about compilers, lexers, parsers etc. [20:06] I also thought it might be cool to try and make an XNA styled framework for Vala. [20:09] XNA? [20:10] XNA is Not an Acronym [20:12] Yeah [20:12] It's a game framework for C# [20:12] But it only works on Windows and Xbox. [20:12] for winodws [20:12] ahh ok [20:12] And it's proprietary. [20:12] mono is in linux but not as good [20:13] XNA doesn't work on Linux. [20:13] Because it's using Direct3D is assume. [20:13] is it? I use it and have never paid?? [20:13] is it what? [20:13] proprietary, that means you have to pay, dosen't it?? [20:14] inforturtle: Naww just means they don't release the source code. [20:14] oh, well that made me look stupid.... [20:14] Some you have to pay licences for like photoshop or something. [20:15] But some like say windows media player which is free is proprietary, as in you can't view the source, only use the software. [20:15] inforturtle: It's ok :) [20:16] ^^, I get it now, i was told steam will never come to linux cause its proprietary and i thought that ment you had to pay for it's services [20:16] Oh naww [20:16] IMO Steam coming to Linux is more about there being a user base and not the price. [20:17] I think the people who want Steam on Linux don't care about it being proprietary. [20:17] i dont see it happening any time soon.. [20:17] yea, I'd just love to drop windows altogether, still use games and .net [20:18] I stopped using Windows when I finished college. [20:18] no,even if it will games will still not run as well [20:18] jtoomey: I think it's a good bit away, but sooner then alot of people think. I mean Value has already ported most of their games to OpenGL. So there's not too much work left for Linux support. [20:19] I tried running unreal in linux before, it's not worth it, someday maybe tho [20:21] Hmm well alot of depends on how it's made. [20:21] there is still the issue of closed source drivers for graphics cards which never seems to go away *cough* *nvidia* *cough* [20:21] Yeah [20:21] ha ha nice stab jtoomey [20:22] Like if you play something like Penumbra it runs like a dream on Linux. [20:22] oh ya?! [20:22] might check that out [20:22] So alot of it has to do with developers not spending enough time or not knowing enough about Linux development [20:22] Like say with World of Goo, they had issues with OpenAL on linux [20:23] I would assume because they don't know music about pulse audio/gstreamer etc etc on Linux. [20:23] I know but is it not worth looking into for them to make sales? it'sodd that they don't [20:23] Hmmm [20:24] It is an it isn't [20:24] Like [20:24] i used to play EVE Online on linux - they had a native client but they gave up developing it becuse they simply wernt getting enough users... pity [20:24] For Linux most Linux people are happy that they even have the game [20:24] And they're more willing then Windows users to accpect bugs [20:24] Provided it doesn't ruin the game or anything. [20:25] then again - you will see a lot of movement in the casual game space on linux for mobile devices - android/meego etc on phones tablets/netbooks/phones - thats what its all gonna be about soon enough [20:25] casual games like angry birds [20:25] Yeah [20:25] yea good point [20:26] anyone go to the meego conf in dublin last(?) week? [20:26] Naww I couldn't make it [20:26] I talked to some people about the event [20:26] Seemed pretty positive. [20:26] they gave away a shedload of netbooks AFAIK [20:26] I'm in limerick,I miss all the good events [20:27] jtoomey: They gave away freed netbooks?! [20:27] infoturtle: [20:27] Apparently there was a big point made on upstream and how that's the main focus. Which pleased alot of people. [20:27] ha ha heard em all before [20:28] ShaneM: yeah - not sure how many but.. lots [20:28] jtoomey: Ah fuck it [20:28] I should have went [20:28] I have a ticket :( [20:28] infoturtle: my da' is from limerick - i think hes likley to punch the next person who makes a "stab city" ref [20:29] ShaneM: i was trying to find out what day/event you had to go to to get one but noone knew [20:29] they getold [20:29] :( [20:29] jtoomey I changed the font but don't really see the difference [20:30] duno ifI changed it for sure [20:30] have you guys seen this? http://notthenewsireland.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/imf-to-negotiate-directly-with-westlife/ [20:30] i LOLed [20:32] http://infoturtle.ie/Ubuntuie/index.php# dose that look like the font? I can't tell, lol [20:33] Oh, the ubuntu-ie page is being done up? :D [20:33] messing with the look at the moment, it's not for sure, just an idea [20:34] Some of the letters aren't displaying for me in the "F�gra agus Imeachta�" [20:34] ha ha ya i know, I just going to use english because of the fadas [20:34] Ah ok :) [20:35] the black text looks Ubuntu-ish [20:35] not sure about the rest [20:35] Why don't you just use the default ubuntu font? [20:35] http://font.ubuntu.com/sample/ubuntu-0.69-quicker-brown-fox.pdf [20:36] I'd say you should try and keep the top bar looking like the ubuntu.com and replace the right ubuntu logo with ubuntu-ie. [20:36] http://i.imgur.com/xhLKM.png [20:36] thats the one I was trying to use, I don't own that server, I just rent it off some crowd, I have to add the font myself [20:36] Just my personal pref, but like you're design, do what you want :) [20:36] infoturtle: You could use google fonts, I'm sure they have the Ubuntu font up there. [20:37] That way you don't need to have access to the server. [20:38] egg-salad, just changed the font name to jibberish and nothing saved so the fonts there aren't Ubuntu ones, I'll look at this "google" your talking about [20:39] Haha [20:39] google have a font database and you can link it in your page. [20:39] So you don't need to have it on your server. [20:40] no ubuntu font there [20:40] well I cant see it [20:40] Ah :( [20:44] droid sans look nice too [20:44] But I think you should use the Ubuntu font since it's like Ubuntus. [20:45] ya, I still want to use em, I'll keep trying sure, noting better to do and the match is pretty bad [20:45] use the Ubuntu one's I mean [20:46] Well you could use Droid Sans until then, I think it looks kind of similar to Ubuntu font. [20:47] think I will, ok pizza and then changing font, for now tho I'm ducking out [20:47] cya guys ina bit [20:48] Later [20:49] laterz [20:52] i have to say though - i really like that new ubuntu font [20:52] its very attractive [20:52] and yes - im aware that its very sad that i am excited by a font.... [20:52] :-\ [20:56] jtoomey: I like the font too. [20:56] Alot of other people think it's a waste of time and mock them. [20:57] But I think it's important to have an image people know. [20:57] I mean even Fedora has a font specially for their website :) [20:57] really? [21:01] hmm.. that is quite cool [21:02] ok - time to go home methinks... [21:02] laterz! [23:54] just became an uncle! woo!! [23:54] sorry, just wanted to share the news [23:55] Well done :) [23:56] thanks shane, I take your praise willingly while doing none of the work! [23:56] Haha