[00:09] <hamitron> time for coffee to feed the brain for the task of tackling spam email, brb
[00:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Ubuntu IRC Council - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/ubuntu-irc-council/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-irc-council
[06:33] <screen-x> morning early people :)
[06:34] <shauno> grunt.
[07:15] <shauno> rather annoying when I can't seem to find seemingly simple things on google.  gasm's comment delimiter did a pretty good job of evading me
[07:59] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:59] <nigelb> Morning AlanBell :)
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning everyone.
[08:23] <DJones> Morning all
[08:34] <diplo> morning
[08:36] <AlanBell> anyone want the donttellbill.com domain?
[08:37] <DJones> AlanBell: Who was the Bill in the domain name?
[08:37] <AlanBell> we did a little marketing campaign a few years ago around it, but we didn't take it very far
[08:37] <AlanBell> http://donttellbill.com/
[08:37] <DJones> Ah, I was thinking along the line of the British Gas Sid campaign
[08:38] <AlanBell> yeah, based on that
[08:38] <AlanBell> free software is great, but shh, don't tell Bill
[08:38] <DJones> Ah, I see
[08:39] <DJones> I would have though redirecting to your main website would have been a good idea just in case anybody still has it as a saved link
[08:42] <DJones> Stupid windows security, You don't have an antivirus protection enabled, YES I do, its running, ok, I'll pause protection & re-enable, Oh, I do have an Antivirus running now
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have http://dont-tell-bill.com too which auto renewed for 2 years quite recently.
[08:43]  * DJones Has a penny thats just dropped, Bill = Bill Gates .... Doh
[08:43] <AlanBell> this one is expiring soon
[08:43]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks DJones probably needs more coffee
[08:43] <DJones> 2nd cup of the day, about to get 3rd
[08:43] <AlanBell> DJones: well some people might leap to that conclusion of course, but it wasn't us that said it :)
[08:44] <DJones> :)
[08:44] <AlanBell> Bill is just a fictional character, like Sid
[08:44] <DJones> To quote Francis Urquat, You couldn't possibly comment :)
[08:44] <AlanBell> quite
[08:44] <DJones> Have your Streak's been updated to Froyo yet?
[08:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: Nope. They released one for the unlocked devices first. And TBH it sounds like a pile of steaming poo.
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://android.modaco.com/content/dell-streak-streak-modaco-com/323607/buglist-and-peculiarities-on-official-2-2-froyo/
[08:46] <nigelb> AlanBell: hahahahhahaha, funny site :)
[08:46] <DJones> Not good then, Must admit I'm impressed with 2.2 on my Desire HD, although still seems to be occasional issues with the Calendar hammering the battery
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: Yeah - I think it Dell, rather than Froyo.
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ohh it's getting closer: http://android.modaco.com/content/dell-streak-streak-modaco-com/323860/eu-00-froyo-is-live/
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm getting tempted to have a go and install this one instead: http://android.modaco.com/content/dell-streak-streak-modaco-com/322298/streakdroid-froyo-v1-4-2-announcement-thread/
[08:50] <DJones> Sounds like its still a bit buggy looking at the couple of comments on that page
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[08:51] <DJones> I've had more system updates in 3 weeks with this HD & 2.2 than I had in 18 months with a HTC Magic
[08:52] <DJones> May sound a lot, but it was only one update :)
[08:53] <hoover> good morning folks
[08:57] <daubers> Morning
[08:58] <DJones> morning daubers
[08:59]  * daubers makes the tea
[09:00]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes for coffee #3
[09:00]  * DJones drinks coffee #3
[09:06]  * AlanBell goes for #2
[09:06] <AlanBell> err, coffee #2, not a #2 you  understand
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:07] <danfish> good day :)
[09:08] <nigelb> popey: poke?
[09:11] <danfish> my mad scientist plan is to create a genetically modified infant with an inbuilt logging system. That way you can run a query along the lines of dmesg | grep "whydidyouwakeup6timesduringthenight" :(
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> danfish: that's a reboot loop, dmesg won't help there
[09:11] <daubers> danfish: But you _know_ the answer would be "because you weren't there"
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> danfish: you'll need a serial port and log from there
[09:12] <danfish> daubers: true
[09:13] <danfish> MartijnVdS: nah - inbuilt wifi
[09:13] <gord> "Subject: 	Thank you for your recent [e-mail address removed]" - No problem [company name redacted]!
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> gord: are you reading the SCP wiki again? :)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> gord: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/
[09:18] <gord> MartijnVdS, nope, just my normal run of the mill email, just that my email is top secret
[09:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] The Ubuntu UK Christmas Party - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/the-ubuntu-uk-christmas-party/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-ubuntu-uk-christmas-party
[09:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:29] <daubers> o/
[09:30] <popey> nigelb: hmm?
[09:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:51] <popey> lo
[09:53] <bigcalm> My Father's laptop has bitten the dust. Time to school him on what makes for a new good laptop
[09:55] <popey> macbookpro
[09:55] <bigcalm> <= 500?
[09:56] <bigcalm> £
[10:00] <andylockran> morning folks
[10:02] <nigelb> popey: Do you have access to the fridge calender? Diwic wanted some help
[10:03] <nigelb> (basically, a meeting added isn't showing on the frige calender for some reason though it was accepted)
 http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2 <-- can anyone manage to download the RT2860PCI/mPCI/CB/PCIe(RT2760/RT2790/RT2860/RT2890) option from there? every time i try i get a weird file that bunzip can't handle (even though its a tar.bz2)
[10:10] <gord> had to re-say that because my wifi has gone crazy and need that file to fix ;)
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> gord: what does "file blah.tar.bz2" say?
[10:13] <diplo> grabbing a tar now, will check it opens shortly
[10:13] <gord> ah there we go, its a gz
[10:13] <DJones> gord: Its downloaded for me on windows & I've been able to unzip it
[10:13] <gord> thanks MartijnVdS
[10:13] <diplo> Same issue, as you
[10:13] <diplo> ah
[10:13] <diplo> :D
[10:14] <DJones> gord: Do you want me to .zip it and upload it somewhere so you can download it
[10:15] <DJones> Or at least .rar it
[10:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] OverView Zoomy presentations with OpenGL - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/overview-zoomy-presentations-with-opengl/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=overview-zoomy-presentations-with-opengl
[10:32] <popey> bigcalm: thinkpad
[10:35] <DJones> popey: Where is good for cheap laptops now, I seem to remember you suggesting somewhere for thinkpads a few weeks back
[10:35] <screen-x> DJones: sterlingxs?
[10:37] <bigcalm> Do tinkpads still have nipples?
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> even my Dell has one
[10:38] <screen-x> bigcalm: They seem to have both.
[10:39] <DJones> screen-x: Thanks, they seem to have pretty limited stocks at the minute
[10:39] <bigcalm> My Dell lacks a nipple
[10:40] <screen-x> I quite liked the trackpoint on my thinkpad, but I don't miss it much on other laptops.
[10:41] <directhex> my dell is nipply
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> I hate my dell.. it's too plastic
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> and clunky
[10:42] <czajkowski> next laptop I buy is going to have a long long long batery! and be light!
[10:42] <czajkowski> not asking for much am I
[10:42] <czajkowski> oh and not cost a fortune
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: and a pony
[10:42] <screen-x> MBA 11, though that doesn't fit your last criteria...
[10:43] <czajkowski> right dentist time
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: good luck
[10:44] <nigelb> czajkowski: You need a zareason
[10:44] <screen-x> I played with one the other day, I haven't picked up a small laptop that is so difficult to bend before.
[10:46] <screen-x> nigelb: I like the ubuntu key :)
[10:46] <nigelb> screen-x: That I LOVE!
[10:46] <nigelb> And the tux stickers
[10:50] <shauno> random question time!  what'd be the easiest way to get apache to accept a http post on any url (existent or not), and store the contents somewhere?
[10:50] <popey> DJones: sterlingxs
[10:51] <popey> oh, someone got it
[10:51] <popey> czajkowski: mbp
[10:51] <DJones> popey: I had a look there, they seemed to be pretty much out of stock of everything at the minute
[10:52] <DJones> Just looking through the links from nakedcomputers
[10:52] <popey> i can't see myself buying anything other than apple laptops in the future tbh, maybe thinkpad, maybe something else if I become a tramp and run out of money
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> Sonys are nice
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> they're the most apple-y non-apple laptops I've seen
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> *pets his Vaio 13"*
[10:53] <popey> nah, sony are off the list, have been for years
[10:53] <shauno> that reminds me of the 'just like a Golf' adverts
[10:53] <directhex> really want an alienware
[10:53] <diplo> From my experience, especially older sonys they seem to be noisey and hot
[10:53] <popey> and made of cheap plastic
[10:53]  * diplo running a old ( 3 years ) one now and it sucks
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> popey: why? they used to suck, I agree, but the current models (especially the intel-only ones) are really nice
[10:54] <diplo> runs @ 60 normally, open anything slightly demanding it hits 90/95 and fans go mad
[10:54] <directhex> alienware m11x is what i'd like
[10:54] <directhex> if it were up to me
[10:55] <directhex> 11" netbook with an i7 and a geforce
[10:55] <shauno> I really fancy one of the new macbook airs, but it's gotta wait until I've got a desktop
[10:55] <shauno> my current laptop fits the 'desktop replacement' category, the MBA doesn't really
[11:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Why I can't have an electric car - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/11/23/why-i-can-t-have-an-electric-car
[11:25] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/lunchtime-special?hpb=1
[11:25] <popey> 160 quid for a ps3
[11:30] <daubers> popey: Shame they're built by sony really
[11:32] <czajkowski> popey: eh no :)
[11:33] <czajkowski> results from dentist: I need to have my wisdom tooth removed
[11:33] <czajkowski> balls
[11:33] <nigelb> ouch
[11:33] <screen-x> :(
[11:35] <daubers> czajkowski: Nasty
[11:35] <daubers> czajkowski: Also, sounds expensive
[11:35] <czajkowski> I am less than impressed
[11:35] <nigelb> hilarious responses to popey's "what to put in my car"
[11:36] <nigelb> Copies of "Art of Community" for fuel :p
[11:36] <popey> :)
[11:37] <popey> http://www.dicecollector.com/JM/
[11:40] <diplo> czajkowski, had one of mine out the other day, bar for a bit of uncomfortableness for a few days it wasn't *to* bad
[11:40] <diplo> And i hate going to the dentist with a passion
[11:41] <czajkowski> I can either get it done under local or general
[11:41] <nigelb> Who doesn't? ;)
[11:41] <czajkowski> I'm tempted to go generall
[11:41] <nigelb> general++
[11:42] <diplo> I did general a year or so ago, this time i did local
[11:42] <diplo> Worse part of general was that I felt groggy as hell for 2-3 days after
[11:42] <diplo> Couldn't really work
[11:43] <diplo> You have to get someone to bring you home as well
[11:43] <DJones> People always tell me never to have a general for wisdom teeth, the dentist can be a bit rougher than if the patient is awake
[11:45] <czajkowski> :o
[11:45] <shauno> hm, adding a static eth0 made my nm-applet disappear :(
[11:46] <DJones> czajkowski: I'm not trying to put you off, isn't there somebody who works at a dental practice who uses the channel, they maybe a better person to ask
[11:46] <DJones> They were working on openmolar
[11:46] <DJones> (I think)
[11:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: you been to the dentist
[11:47] <czajkowski> DJones: problem is I'm a really really bad patient with a dentist, I've bitten 2 dentists when I was a kid
[11:47] <czajkowski> davmor2: I went!!
[11:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: and
[11:48] <czajkowski> davmor2: infection o  widsom tooth coming down, no more room for it to come down, so caused nerves in my jaw to lock up. Need tooth removed.
[11:50] <DJones> czajkowski: My wife is like that, she has a dairy intolerance and had soya milk as a kid, which was heavily sweetened to hide the bad taste, took all most of the enamal off her teeth so they rot quite quickly, when she had fillings the dentist didn't let the anastetic take effect and drilled on nerves & ignored her trying to stop her, she stopped going, eventually went again but had to have sedation just for an examination
[11:50] <nigelb> popey: Is it just me or is width of etherpad sort of messed up?
[11:50] <czajkowski> nigelb: click button far right toi make it a full page
[11:51] <czajkowski> DJones: I look after my teeth from fear of the denitist I had braces as a kid
[11:51]  * nigelb hugs czajkowski 
[11:51] <nigelb> czajkowski: That worked :)
[11:52] <DJones> czajkowski: She's just started to let a new dentist we've got do work, just had fillings & although nervous, just had normal treetment, no sedation :)
[11:52]  * popey points nigelb to Daviey 
[11:53] <Daviey> oops
[11:53]  * nigelb feels pointed out
[11:53]  * nigelb also notes that Daviey broke the default option of being full window or something
[11:53] <nigelb> Whatever, another reason to #blameDaviey
[11:54] <Daviey> I had a patch to make it go full screen some months ago... can't find the damn thing now, and now finding it a PITA to recreate.
[11:54] <Daviey> nigelb: it was never default to fullscreen... but i WANT to add that
[11:54] <Daviey> (patches welcome)
[11:54] <nigelb> Daviey: meh, Java.
[11:54] <davmor2> nigelb: no you #blamepopey popey then picks on Daviey till it's fixed
[11:54] <Daviey> nigelb: actually.... that part isn't
[11:54] <nigelb> davmor2: oh, that's a nice strategy
[11:54] <Daviey> it's JS :)
[11:54] <nigelb> Daviey: JS?
[11:54] <czajkowski> it's a winning combination
[11:54] <nigelb> I'd love to :)
[11:55] <nigelb> Daviey: can you edit css for body?
[11:55] <nigelb> if so just add a class and it will work I think ;)
[11:56] <Daviey> nigelb: if only
[11:56] <Daviey> server side JS!
[11:56] <nigelb> Daviey: dammit.  Need to see code :(
[11:56]  * nigelb goes to branch from google whatever
[11:57] <nigelb> github = awesomeness!
[11:58] <nigelb> Daviey: Can you point out some starter of where to look?
[11:58] <Daviey> nigelb: grep for fullscreen :)
[11:59] <nigelb> gah, its still branching
[11:59] <nigelb> I'm looking at github's web thingy
[12:01] <nigelb> hrm, .ejs is java?
[12:09] <popey> Heh, Enterprise JavaScript! :D
[12:09] <nigelb> Daviey: I have a one patch for you
[12:09] <nigelb> popey: haha
[12:10] <Daviey> nigelb: shoot it over
[12:10] <nigelb> Daviey: its not a patch, but I'll tell you what to change so that it fixes
[12:10]  * nigelb sends a PM
[12:10] <Daviey> nigelb: patch pls :)
[12:10] <nigelb> Daviey: GAH :D
[12:10] <Daviey> nigelb: or better, a git tree i can pull from :)
[12:12] <nigelb> Daviey: meh, patched already
[12:15] <nigelb> Daviey: Link to patch PM'd, go fix it and let me have the satisfaction of having made the world a better place :p
[12:16] <Daviey> pah
[12:16] <Daviey> nigelb: you could put it somewhere i could wget the .patch
[12:16] <nigelb> Daviey: lazy :p
[12:16] <nigelb> Daviey: lemme put it on my people.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Daviey> nigelb: applied :)
[12:18] <nigelb> Daviey: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/daviey.patch
[12:18] <nigelb> GAH
[12:18] <Daviey> nigelb: lol
[12:18] <nigelb> It works \o/
[12:19] <Daviey> nigelb: if you propose it for fixing in the mainline on github, i should be able to commit it
[12:19] <nigelb> I'm doing that now :)
[12:19] <Daviey> nigelb: give me a shout when you have put the pull request in
[12:20] <andylockran> \o
[12:20] <nigelb> Daviey: \o/ Do I hold the record for the fastest bug fix yet? :p
[12:24] <Daviey> nigelb: maybe :)
[12:24] <nigelb> Note to self: Any $blameDaviey ends up with me fixing the bug.
[12:24] <andylockran> crikey - just seen Korea on the news
[12:24] <Daviey> lol
[12:26] <davmor2> nigelb: told you #blamepopey :P
[12:29] <nigelb> davmor2: lol
[12:33] <Daviey> nigelb: not seeing the pull request..... you lose the prize for fastest resolution
[12:33] <Daviey> :((
[12:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11815001
[12:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: 16 of us that went to college togehter are now left ireland
[12:36] <czajkowski> sad :(
[12:36] <czajkowski> train us up and ship us out
[12:37] <directhex> escaped a sinking ship!
[12:39] <hoover> re: korea... time to fire up falcon 4 allied force again ;-)
[12:42] <bigcalm> L-l-l-l-l-l-l-unch time!
[12:42] <shauno> I wish :/
[12:45]  * daubers beats some scripts to death with a stick
[12:49] <shauno> should it be a bug if a package fails --configure (leaving dpkg to believe it's broken) if your system doesn't match a hard-coded IP?
[12:51] <DJones> Yay...Public holiday announced for 29th April 2011
[12:53]  * DJones makes note in diary & wonders whether it'll be warm enough for a BBQ
[12:53] <bigcalm> Long weekend :)
[12:53] <bigcalm> Will Charlie get any time on the throne before William takes over?
[12:54] <DJones> Not if his mother has anything to say about it :)
[12:54] <bigcalm> Does Queenie actually not him to be king?
[12:55] <bigcalm> +want
[12:55] <DJones> She probably does, but she looks like she'll outlast him
[12:57] <czajkowski> I thought that was a done deal once he married his mistress he'd never be king it would go straight to william
[12:58] <danfish> DJones: that makes it a 3 day week :D
[12:59] <AlanBell> czajkowski: nope, the impression was that she would not take the title of Queen
[12:59] <AlanBell> but he could be king, with princess consort Camilla
[12:59] <DJones> czajkowski: Thats certainly been rumoured amongst conspiracy theorists, but I doubt it
[13:00] <AlanBell> but there was a stumbling interview last week which has been interpreted by the press to be a change on that
[13:00] <czajkowski> DJones: doesnt really bode well, cheat on your wife for years publically, mdivorce her, she dies, marry mistress and become king...
[13:00] <AlanBell> personally I think he finds discussion of the succession to be in rather poor taste and just fumbled in the interview
[13:01] <shauno> understandable.  it pretty much translates to "what do you want to do when your mum dies", which would be grossly offensive in any other context
[13:01] <DJones> czajkowski: True, but then again, how many wives did King Henry have :)
[13:01] <czajkowski> DJones: different times,
[13:01] <AlanBell> shauno: exactly
[13:01] <czajkowski> DJones: also, everyone in most counteries loved  princess di
[13:01] <czajkowski> how many feel that way about camilla
[13:02] <DJones> :)
[13:02] <DJones> No comment
[13:02] <czajkowski> and she's not his mum either
[13:02] <czajkowski> oh wait nm
[13:02] <czajkowski> wrong son
[13:02] <danfish> DJones: beheading your wives is now considered increadibly bad manners these days ;)
[13:03] <DJones> danfish: Thats unfair, I was thinking about sharpening my axe
[13:03]  * DJones looks around to make sure his wife isn't in the channel
[13:03] <danfish> hah
[13:04] <shauno> I don't think the divorce thing should really be an issue.  it's not a standard we hold anyone else to.
[13:04]  * danfish notes that the £80 million cost of the wedding will be met by the public purse
[13:05] <danfish> mind you, it would be a bit of an ask on the bride's parents
[13:05] <daubers> danfish: We'll probably make it back though
[13:06] <daubers> danfish: Once you take in account all the oddbods who'll take a holiday to be in London when it happens and all that malarky, I think we'd get that 80mill+ a bit back into the old economy
[13:06] <DJones> danfish: We only get to pay for the security & transport costs
[13:07] <DJones> The families are paying for the wedding itself, I wonder if they have to pay a fee to use Westminster Abbey though?
[13:07] <danfish> daubers: prob true
[13:08] <popey> anyone here got an ebay account?
[13:08] <danfish> DJones: unlikely - the Queen is the head of the church that owns the abbey
[13:08] <danfish> popey: yup
[13:08] <popey> someone in another channel just pointed out that they seem to ignore the case sensitivity of the first character
[13:08] <popey> (which many people will capitalise to use as their 'mixed case' password)
[13:08] <Azelphur> popey: yea I do
[13:09] <popey> try it :)
[13:09] <popey> try logging on with the first character of your password in the wrong case
[13:09] <popey> I cant because my password starts with a number :)
[13:09] <Daviey> hak da planet
[13:10] <daubers> popey: ha, WFM :)
[13:10] <danfish> popey: bug(?) confirmed
[13:10] <Azelphur> popey: seems to not be case sensative at all
[13:10] <AlanBell> yup, not case sensitive
[13:11] <bigcalm> Just the 1st character?
[13:11] <popey> seems so
[13:11] <bigcalm> Odd
[13:11] <Azelphur> no, the entire thing isn't case sensative
[13:11] <Azelphur> I tried altering the case of my password all over and still got in
[13:11] <AlanBell> me too
[13:11] <popey> OH
[13:12] <popey> just tested that too
[13:12] <AlanBell> I would say it is intentional
[13:12] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:12] <AlanBell> reduces security a bit, and reduces problems from people who leave caps lock on a lot
[13:14] <bigcalm> One of my client's sites drops the case on passwords entered as well. Quite depressing
[13:18] <hoover> hello bigcalm
[13:20]  * daubers puts the kettle on
[13:20]  * popey puts Blondie on
[13:22]  * popey considers recording a couple of screencasts
[13:23] <Daviey> to the theme of "Denie, Denie"
[13:23] <daubers> popey: "How to sing like Blondie into a hairbrush"?
[13:29]  * screen-x digs out the XSLT book
[13:34] <directhex> daubers: wonder if singstar microphones work on loonicks...
[13:38] <daubers> heh, they're just USB mics aren't they?
[13:40] <AlanBell> the PS2 ones are just audio mics with a 3.5mm jack, the dongle is a dual input usb soundcard of some sort
[14:00] <screen-x> This dead tree seems to auto-close itself when I look up, I need a paper version of a bookmark, a real bookmark!
[14:01] <screen-x> sounds like a job for... yesterday's train ticket
[14:01] <daubers> screen-x: Or a shoe
[14:02]  * DJones suggests a finger
[14:29]  * gord suggests scanning in all the pages, using OCR to extract the text and convert into your favourite document format
[14:32] <davmor2> njpatel: an interesting thing happen yesterday I went to disable the unity plugin in ccsm to find out it already was,  so it's definitely compiz at fault
[14:33] <njpatel> davmor2, interesting, did you see if the window decorations plugin was enabled?
[14:33] <njpatel> davmor2, in the upgrade some of the settings might have been lost
[14:33] <davmor2> njpatel: the decor was in the disabled pile
[14:34] <davmor2> njpatel: I moved them all over to the enabled side but to no avail.
[14:34] <njpatel> yeah, so I'd recommend enabling: decor, place, move, composite, opengl, static switcher, at least
[14:34] <njpatel> davmor2, "enabled side"?
[14:35] <njpatel> your using "compizconfig-settings-manager"'s ccsm?
[14:35] <davmor2> njpatel: Yeah for the plugins you have the disabled side and the enabled side under manage plugins
[14:36] <davmor2> njpatel: when you enable unity it shows up in the main window
[14:37] <njpatel> huh, interesting,
[14:37]  * njpatel never knew that
[14:40] <davmor2> njpatel: yeap Preferences -> Plugin list
[14:40] <DJones> On a laptop thats previously had nvidia drivers installed, if I want to test the nouveau driver, should I just uninstall all nvidia graphics (nvidia-96 I think) and will that remove the blacklist nouveau from  /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[14:41] <davmor2> njpatel: Yay! unity
[14:41] <njpatel> sweet!
[14:42] <davmor2> njpatel: I was missing the opengl one after I moved the others across last night
[14:42] <njpatel> riight
[14:42] <njpatel> it's a slightly weird thing about compiz that you can start it up and it can be completely useless
[14:50] <czajkowski> you don't say
[14:50] <czajkowski> :)
[14:50] <andylockran> I am absolutely loving the latest vanilla install of maverick
[14:50] <andylockran> I normally just apt-get upgrade from old versions
[14:50] <andylockran> but a re-install is quite different
[14:52] <daubers> Noooooo!!!!
[14:52] <daubers> my tea went cold :(
[14:52] <andylockran> that's a shame..
[14:52] <bigcalm> Down it in one and then make a fresh mug
[14:52] <andylockran> I do that far too much when I'm coding
[14:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[14:53] <bigcalm> I find that my mugs never hold enough tea
[14:53] <daubers> Sat debugging at the moment, got involved and now I need a fresh mug of tea :(
[14:55] <bigcalm> daubers: do you have an underling to get you one?
[14:55] <MooDoo> AlanBell, are you around
[14:56] <AlanBell> for a minute or two
[14:56] <MooDoo> AlanBell, can i be picky
[14:56] <AlanBell> yes
[14:57] <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell - could leave a short testimonial below?   but all of them are above?  or am i reading it wrong
[14:57] <AlanBell> reading it wrong!
[14:57] <MooDoo> ah ok i'll shut up :)
[14:57] <AlanBell> it is a new testimonials section, as yet empty for the IRCC thing
[14:57] <MooDoo> ah ok
[14:58] <MooDoo> sorry :)
[15:00] <AlanBell> s'ok
[15:00] <AlanBell> not sure how to fix that emptyness though . . .
[15:00] <dutchie> AlanBell: leave an obviously empty one?
[15:01] <dutchie> by which i mean an example
[15:01] <dutchie> brain is fried
[15:01] <daubers> bigcalm: Nah, I'm too nice for that
[15:02]  * czajkowski stabs MooDoo 
[15:02]  * dutchie needs an underling
[15:03] <dutchie> they should bring back the days when poor students had to be the others' slaves at oxbridge
[15:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski, oi that wasn't nice
[15:04] <czajkowski> I get to wipe a Mac and install Ubuntu on it
[15:04] <czajkowski> yay
[15:04] <andylockran> wahey
[15:04] <andylockran> I have a mac keyboard for use with my Ubuntu machine - win!
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: I thought you'd be fully in the debian/kde camp by now ;-)
[15:05] <MooDoo> czajkowski, prod.......:p
[15:05] <czajkowski> nope
[15:05] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: only 1 debian person in here good few KDE and one BSD
[15:05] <czajkowski> MooDoo: oi
[15:05]  * czajkowski stabs MooDoo 
[15:05] <dutchie> andylockran: only mac keyboard i have used is horrible
[15:05] <dutchie> it is about 7 years old though
[15:06] <andylockran> This is one of them aluminium ones
[15:06]  * DJones takes czajkowski's sharp pointy toys away & replaces them with a squishy, padded toay
[15:06] <DJones> s/toay/toy
[15:07]  * czajkowski sulks 
[15:07]  * czajkowski prods DJones oi no fun 
[15:07] <DJones> Ow
[15:07] <czajkowski> see stabbing is better
[15:09] <DJones> czajkowski: Perhaps you need one of these http://www.urbancombat.us/store.html
[15:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski, not liking you at the moment *pout*
[15:14] <xteejx> Afternoon all! :)
[15:14] <andylockran> hwody xteejx
[15:15] <xteejx> I think empathy is playing games again, people not appearing in the users list :S
[15:16] <xteejx> andylockran: PS Hi :)
[15:17] <MooDoo> lets hope sabdfl has a open house warming party :) - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/shuttleworth_superior_ink/
[15:17] <xteejx> Note this isn't spam guys, but I'm thinking of releasing this 9 second parody in the Ubuntu blogosphere somewhere, can some peeps give me a yay or nay on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGO18iUpgvQ PS I'm not worried about being flamed by MS users at all
[15:18] <xteejx> $31.5million??? Sod the house warming, let's hope that he start dishing out money ;)
[15:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] LibreOffice: Document Foundation Steering Committee Public Phone Conference 28-Nov-2010 - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/libreoffice-document-foundation-steering-committee-public-phone-conference-28-nov-2010
[15:19] <DJones> And thats only a weekend home, isn't his offical residence in The Isle of Man
[15:19] <czajkowski> MooDoo: diddums
[15:20] <MooDoo> czajkowski, stab stab stab :p
[15:20] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you will lose
[15:20] <xteejx> So he's from South Africa but lives over here? Not surprised Canonical's Head Office is in Millbank
[15:20] <MooDoo> czajkowski, try me :p
[15:20] <czajkowski> davmor2: sort your partner in crime out
[15:20] <xteejx> as long as there's no more student loan increases :P
[15:20] <MooDoo> davmor2, she's not scaring me today!
[15:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: why you started it :P
[15:21]  * xteejx pulls up a chair and grabs some popcorn
[15:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'd worry if I were you czajkowski has to let her fear angry out on someone (Dentists who needs them.....oh yeah)
[15:22] <MooDoo> davmor2, last visit to the dentist i had 3 wisdom teeth out, so pah! she don't scare me :p
[15:22]  * DJones joins xteejx with a chair& gets a large back of Minstrels (other chocolate is available)
[15:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: you say that now just wait
[15:23] <xteejx> DJones: I'll have a bar of Galaxy if you're offering :D
[15:23] <czajkowski> yeah wait till the pain killers and antibiotics dont work and I get mad
[15:23] <DJones> xteejx: Sorry, I just ate that & fnished off the rest of the chocolate
[15:24] <xteejx> Damnit!
[15:24]  * MooDoo ruffles czajkowski hair.....awwwww
[15:24]  * czajkowski takes all your chocolate and gives it away, if I can't have any you can't either 
[15:29] <MooDoo> czajkowski, being nice for a moment [don't worry it won't last], are you settling into your new job?
[15:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: What won't last you not being scared of czajkowski
[15:39] <MooDoo> davmor2, me being civil to czajkowski
[15:42] <czajkowski> :)
[15:43] <MooDoo> davmor2, i'm thankful i'm uunable to make the christmas party though, might get a slapping lol
[15:44] <davmor2> I think I'll be in the middle of unpacking at that time so probably won't make it
[15:44] <davmor2> we see what I can swing though
[15:45] <MooDoo> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/kinect-ubuntu-jedi-obviously/ :)
[15:46] <BigRedS> I arranged to be working from London the week of teh christmas do :)
[15:46] <BigRedS> ...but i've since been asked it, since i'm working 'from home', I can be in Dorset the monday and tuesday...
[15:48] <gord> hrm, i need some sort of nerdy lamp for my home office, i gets dark whilst i'm working at this time of year... maybe a usb one that i can automatically brighten as sunset approaches!
[15:50] <diplo> I've got a usb lamp but it's just a switch on and off
[15:53] <Ng> gord: build an arduino thing to control a normal dimmer switch!
[15:54] <gord> Ng, you think too small, an arduino controlling one of those lego things that you can control via usb to manually turn a real dimmer switch via some sort of grabber hand!
[15:54] <Ng> that seems prone to unexpected failure ;)
[15:57] <gord> which is why you build lego units around arudino's powered by solar power charged batteries to function as "helper droids" to right any unexpected wrongs
[15:57] <gord> course they are gonna need to employ some sort of learning process...
[16:19] <Phineas> hi guys
[16:19] <Phineas> somthing is wrong with my other laptop
[16:19] <MooDoo> Phineas, that doesn't help lol  :)
[16:19] <Phineas> i think it's the HDD
[16:20] <MooDoo> Phineas, why you think that
[16:20] <Phineas> because it makes 'squeeking' noises (i have a vid on youtube of it if you want a link) on startup and wont boot
[16:24] <Phineas> MooDoo,  want a link to i vid of it (atempting) to boot
[16:25] <Phineas> *a
[16:25] <Phineas> ?
[16:25] <MooDoo> Phineas, no, but if it's squeeking, something isn't right, does it still squeek if you use a live cd and try to get onto the hdd's filesystem?
[16:25] <gord> sounds like a bad battery connection
[16:26] <gord> it won't boot because there isn't enough power to boot i'm guessing
[16:26] <Phineas> MooDoo,  i think it has bad berings
[16:26] <Phineas> sounds like theres a mouse in it
[16:27] <Phineas> typical toshiba laptop
[16:29] <Phineas> gord,  more like a sqeeking mouse (loud) made me say in the vid "holy s**t"
[16:30] <Phineas> what could have gone wrong also it gives "int test: FAIL" or something like that
[16:31] <Phineas> any ideas
[16:31] <diplo> Anyone here used clonezilla to backup a server and then restore it under KVM ? If so was it an easy process
[16:32] <diplo> Linux server to be backed up, CentOS 4.*
[16:32] <Phineas> anyone knows whats wrong Tosh
[16:32] <Phineas> *wrong with
[16:32] <diplo> Had a look at SMART ? see if it's noticing any issues with the drive ?
[16:33] <diplo> Log files
[16:33] <Phineas> BRB guys
[16:33] <diplo> Quite often get disc errors wrote to /var/log/messages when they start failing
[16:39] <Phineas> diplo, i can't even get the laptop to boot (just squeels at me). i even made a video on youtube asking for help on what the heck is going on
[16:40] <diplo> As MooDoo said, can you boot from cd rom live disc ?
[16:41] <diplo> if you can't get that far it sounds like a hardware fault somewhere along the line, if it's a battery issue you can try booting up without the batt in and just run it off mains instead
[16:41] <diplo> worth a try anyhoo
[16:41] <davmor2> Phineas: try booting from the live cd if that fails it could be that the boot sector has become corrupted, try removing the HDD and booting from the live cd then
[16:41] <diplo> my lift has just turned up so gotta go
[16:42] <Phineas> diplo, yes live cds do boot (with HDD squeeling at me every few secconds)
[16:42] <Phineas> davmor2,  ^^^
[16:45] <AlanBell> Phineas: I think a new HDD is what you need
[16:45] <davmor2> Phineas: right so try taking the HDD out to double check that it is only the HDD.  With the Hdd out if there is no noise then you hardware is good and you just need a new HDD
[16:46] <Phineas> davmor2,  no HDD noise is gone (possable that the HDD has bad berrings)
[16:47] <davmor2> Phineas: yeap which will mean it is not spinning straight and will also mean that the disc is getting slow more corrupted new drive
[16:48] <Phineas> davmor2,  doesn't even want to boot (i have a vid of it trying to boot if you want a link) strangley
[16:52] <Phineas> davmor2,  like you said time for a new HDD. is the HDD replaceable on the laptop
[16:53] <Phineas> ?
[16:54] <AlanBell> Phineas: yes, easy
[16:54] <davmor2> Phineas: Yeap you just need a 2.5 inch hdd, and you need to know if it is sata or pata
[16:54] <AlanBell> just don't drop any screws
[16:55] <AlanBell> and you could drop in an SSD if you want
[16:55] <Phineas> davmor2,  it it SATA or pata? i dont know
[16:55] <davmor2> Phineas: In case you're not sure if you have 2 L shaped connectors on it it's sata, if it is lots of pins it's pata
[16:56] <Phineas> davmor2,  pata, lots of pins
[16:57] <Phineas> do they come cheap
[16:58] <davmor2> Phineas: So you just need a 2.5 inch pata laptop drive.  You'll need to remove the outer metal slide house normally 2-4 screws done.
[16:58] <davmor2> Phineas: check online
[16:58] <davmor2> re price
[16:58] <Phineas> i'll have a look some time
[16:59] <AlanBell> 50 quid or thereabouts depending on size
[17:00] <Phineas> AlanBell,  50 quid! *sigh* lucky enough i have other laptops, but still there might be data on the drive
[17:01] <davmor2> Phineas: in the meantime if you need to do work etc, you could install on a USB stick with persistence and work from that and save stuff to the persistence section of the usb drive
[17:02] <Phineas> davmor2,  not if the HDD wont boot
[17:03] <AlanBell> boot from USB
[17:03] <davmor2> Phineas: No it'll all be stored on the usb pen drive
[17:03] <davmor2> including Ubuntu
[17:03] <AlanBell> did you try accessing the hdd from the live CD? you might be able to get data off if you can
[17:04] <Phineas> AlanBell,  yes and the drive is not there as the HDDs power on test failed
[17:05] <domjohnson> Hi
[17:05] <uraken> hi how are you
[17:05] <domjohnson> Is there a way to set an external hard drive as the home mount point?
[17:05] <Phineas> domjohnson,  hi
[17:06] <AlanBell> Phineas: in which case, chuck it in the bin. There might be ways to recover it, but not at any sane budget.
[17:06] <uraken> an external one um not sure?
[17:06] <AlanBell> domjohnson: for just /home ? sure, that should work
[17:07] <Phineas> AlanBell,  do you want to watch it boot (i have a vid)
[17:07] <domjohnson> *after installation?
[17:07] <AlanBell> directhex: collabora huh, nice!
[17:07] <domjohnson> AlanBell - how would I change the mount point to the ext. HDD?
[17:07] <directhex> AlanBell: if you're well behaved, i'll let you see the announcement blog post i changed my mind about publishing ;)
[17:08] <Phineas> directhex,  ooh
[17:08] <AlanBell> domjohnson: mounting something basically replaces what was there, so on your internal drive you have /home and then you mount the external one over the top of /home
[17:08] <AlanBell> !mount
[17:08] <AlanBell> !fstab
[17:08] <uraken> does anyone if there any software that will allow me to create a pdf documetn with editable regions to be able tpo print?
[17:09] <domjohnson> uraken - as in,. the end user can edit it?
[17:09] <AlanBell> directhex: are you moving towards the other university?
[17:09] <directhex> AlanBell: nope, leaving academia for the forseeable future. i need a "real" job
[17:10] <AlanBell> yeah, just saw they have a Cambridge office
[17:10] <uraken> yes i want to create a document which in the main is a set of questions that the end user answers and then prints but can't save the main doc
[17:10] <directhex> AlanBell: i'll need to be in cambs once or twice a week. work from home otherwise.
[17:11] <uraken> it needs to be pdf for cross compatability
[17:12] <uraken> i was thinking open office and some nice plugin ?
[17:12] <AlanBell> uraken: what about a web page?
[17:13] <Phineas> did someone want me
[17:13] <uraken> alan thats is a really good idea umm
[17:14] <uraken> may have to think about that one
[17:14] <popey> congrats directhex
[17:14] <Phineas> popey,  didn't see you there
[17:19] <Phineas> directhex,  Cambridge? UK?
[17:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Is open source under siege? Let's hope not! - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/open-source-under-siege-lets-hope-not
[17:30] <bigcalm> http://act.libdems.org.uk/events/nick-cleggs-lieathon # erm?
[17:34] <danfish> sudo apt-get update
[17:34] <danfish> #fail
[17:35] <danfish> :)
[17:40] <Phineas> a thousand wooop
[17:46] <kaushal> Hi
[17:47] <kaushal> Are there opensource project to set up internal chat server and client within an organization
[17:47] <popey> jabber
[17:48] <Phineas> jabber?
[17:48] <kaushal> ok
[17:48] <popey> yes Phineas, jabber.
[17:48] <ging> surely there is an open source irc server
[17:48] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[17:48] <MattJ> !
[17:48] <popey> why would you use irc over jabber?
[17:49] <ging> no instead of jabber
[17:49] <bigcalm> ging: Hybrid IRC
[17:49] <bigcalm> http://www.ircd-hybrid.org/
[17:50] <ging> everyone loves irc
[17:50] <popey> ging: re-read and comprehend what I said
[17:50] <popey> and for 'over' read 'instead of'
[17:50] <ging> oh
[17:51] <dutchie> irc and jabber aren't quite the same though
[17:51] <MattJ> Indeed
[17:51] <popey> yes, jabber is awesome.
[17:51] <ging> i've never used jabber so that's why i wouldnt choose it
[17:51] <MattJ> \o/
[17:51] <dutchie> irc's main priority is groups, jabber's is for 1-1
[17:51] <popey> BZZZZT
[17:51] <popey> fail
[17:51] <dutchie> jabber is also much more extensible
[17:51] <dutchie> popey: main priority :)
[17:51] <MattJ> I'm in more Jabber channels than IRC :)
[17:56] <kaushal> popey: Thanks
[17:56] <kaushal> I do not see HowTo for setting up jabber
[17:56] <popey> np
[17:56] <kaushal> server and client
[17:56] <popey> where are you looking?
[17:57] <popey> !info ejabberd
[17:57] <MattJ> Pft
[17:57] <MattJ> !info prosody
[17:57] <MattJ> ;)
[17:57] <popey> :)
[17:57] <popey> first hit on google
[17:57] <popey> kaushal: listen to MattJ, he knows what he talks about
[17:57] <MattJ> I can help with setting up Prosody too (after using ejabberd, I decided to write it)
[17:58] <MattJ> and there are lots of clients, Pidgin, Gajim, Empathy, Psi, Swift...
[17:58] <kaushal> ok
[17:58] <MattJ> and mcabber and finch for console :)
[17:59] <MattJ> and some others I can't remember
[17:59] <kaushal> so use ejabberd or Prosody as server and use pidgin for client application ?
[17:59] <MattJ> That works
[18:01] <Phineas> Unity web player for linux is there one?
[18:03] <popey> Phineas: google + unity web player linux = http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/5891-Linux-Web-Player
[18:05] <Phineas> popey,  no help at all
[18:06] <MattJ> kaushal: if you need any more help btw, #jabber is friendly :)
[18:07] <kaushal> MattJ: Thanks
[18:08] <kaushal> so ideally setup Prosody
[18:08] <kaushal> since its straight forward ?
[18:08] <MattJ> Sure, at a minimum just "sudo apt-get install prosody" and change `Host "localhost"` in the config to whatever the address of your server is
[18:09] <kaushal> ok
[18:09] <kaushal> Also does it store the chat messages somewhere ?
[18:09] <MattJ> For logging you mean?
[18:09] <kaushal> and can it be configured as group chat
[18:10] <MattJ> It can
[18:10] <kaushal> MattJ: yes
[18:10] <MattJ> There's an example in the config
[18:10] <kaushal> oh ok
[18:10] <kaushal> so once Prosody is setup, which client application would be ideal for connecting to Prosody ?
[18:11] <MattJ> Depends on your preferences, I use Gajim
[18:11] <kaushal> ok
[18:11] <MattJ> Empathy is installed in Ubuntu by default, and that works too
[18:12] <kaushal> MattJ: Awesome
[18:12] <kaushal> Thanks a Lot
[18:12] <MattJ> np
[18:13] <MattJ> You'll be wanting http://prosody.im/doc/configure and in particular http://prosody.im/doc/creating_accounts
[18:13] <kaushal> Also can i force use to login as kaushal@example.com ?
[18:13] <kaushal> user*
[18:14] <MattJ> That's up to their client
[18:15] <kaushal> so its ideal to use Prosody as Server and Gajim as client within the office LAN Network
[18:15] <kaushal> since i wont to prohibit user to use gtalk yahoo ......
[18:15] <MattJ> It's ideal to use whatever you find best - if you like Gajim then sure
[18:15] <kaushal> want*
[18:16] <dutchie> kaushal: i'd say the easiest way to block other services is not allow connections to chat.google.com or whatever it is
[18:16] <kaushal> MattJ: How long it would take to configure the set up ?
[18:17] <MattJ> A few minutes for the server, a few minutes for the client? :)
[18:17] <kaushal> :D
[18:17] <kaushal> MattJ: so you are the man
[18:17] <kaushal> Thanks
[18:17] <kaushal> much appreciated
[18:17] <MattJ> dutchie: if you don't want outbound IM it's tricky - you can block major services that way, but you can Jabber/XMPP to any server and any port
[18:17] <kaushal> I would start working it from tommorrow
[18:18] <MattJ> kaushal: np
[18:18] <dutchie> MattJ: oh yeah, i did vaguely know that
[18:21] <MattJ> Yay for the internet is what I say :)
[18:30] <marsilainen> hi all
[18:30] <marsilainen> I see that I can set sshd to listen on more than one port
[18:31] <marsilainen> what I would like to do is to have different options set depending upon the port
[18:31] <marsilainen> so that port 22 will have one set of options and port 97987 or whatever will have a different set of options
[18:31] <marsilainen> but I can't see a way to do that?
[18:38] <danfish> marsilainen: not sure that's possible. I think you could run a second instance of sshd with a different config file
[18:38] <marsilainen> danfish: ok, thanks, I might have to resort to that
[18:39] <directhex> i believe danfish is correct
[18:40] <directhex> i don't think the debian config files allow for that, but you could make your own copy of /etc/init.d/ssh and call it something like privatessh or whatever, and set the new config file path in there
[18:40] <directhex> multiple init scripts is likely the best way to achieve your goal.
[18:41] <danfish> only drawback is any automatic updates to ssh may well undo it all, but that's not the end of the world
[18:43] <Azelphur> directhex: the other day you said the graphics card I was looking at wasn't that great (The GTX 470) but besides that there's only really the GTX 580
[18:44] <Azelphur> do you think I should fork out for a 580?
[18:44] <directhex> Azelphur: given it's not a gaming machine, sod it.
[18:44] <Azelphur> lol
[18:44] <Azelphur> I max out my 8800 easy
[18:44] <Azelphur> (In Linux)
[18:48] <directhex> (In Linux)
[18:48] <Azelphur> indeed (In Linux)
[18:50] <marsilainen> directhex: thanks, that helps me understand a clean way of doing it
[19:12] <popey> marsilainen: i run ssh on more than one port
[19:12] <popey> you dont need to have two ssh daemons at all
[19:13] <popey> marsilainen: just have two lines in /etc/ssh/sshd_config with Port NN and Port MM
[19:13] <popey> one after the other
[19:13] <marsilainen> popey: I understand that I can do that - but I need different settings on the different ports
[19:13] <popey> oh, sorry, misread :S
[19:13] <popey> what kind of options?
[19:14] <marsilainen> popey: on port 22 I want to allow password login, but on 97897 (or whatever) I want you to only be able to connect with a key file
[19:14] <marsilainen> the higher port will be forwarded through a firewall from outside
[19:14] <marsilainen> but port 22 still open on the lan for convenience
[19:14] <Azelphur> popey: a while back I think you recommended an SSD, the Intel X25-M
[19:14] <Azelphur> is that still good?
[19:17] <directhex> Azelphur: the x25-m is still a very very good drive... but very expensive
[19:18] <directhex> i believe the x25 is still best in *sustained* benchmarks... drives based on a sandforce controller will eclipse it for bursts
[19:19] <popey> i have no idea what ssd's are good and bad Azelphur
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> the PCIe ones are faster
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> that's all I know
[19:27] <Azelphur> directhex: yea, but atm it's cheap
[19:27] <Azelphur> amazon are doing black friday in the UK
[19:28] <Azelphur> so £78, everywhere else is like £140+
[19:28] <danfish> marsilainen: you can specify that from within the LAN logins can be password based and from without keys IIRC
[19:28] <danfish> forgot an ',' -> "from without, keys, IRRC"
[19:31] <danfish> marsilainen: scrap that - just checked, that won't work :(
[19:35] <marsilainen> danfish: no worries, thanks for looking anyway
[19:38] <directhex> Azelphur: £78 for which capacity?
[19:38] <Azelphur> 40
[19:40]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski 
[19:40]  * czajkowski kicks MooDoo in the shins oi behave you
[19:40]  * MooDoo pokes czajkowski in the side, make me :p
[19:41] <czajkowski> davmor2: is easier than this
[19:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: Thanks for that now everyone thinks I'm easy :P
[19:45] <czajkowski> davmor2: and this is news?
[19:45] <MooDoo> davmor2, come on, you're not very quick at prodding her tonight :)
[19:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: see that guy over there in the white jacket and black bowtie serving drink he reminds me of you ;)
[19:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski, go make me a cuppa ;)
[19:50] <czajkowski> MooDoo: one day you're going to regret saying that
[19:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i'll regret it when Ireland beat England at the world cup...oh hang on, that aint going to happen :p
[19:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: it'll be the day she pulverises you into the shape of a cup
[19:52] <MooDoo> davmor2, i'm not scared of her any more, i've decided
[19:54] <shauno> MooDoo: the only thing to fear is fear itself.  the pain subsides after a few weeks :p
[19:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: Muhahahahahaha foolish mortal :)
[19:55] <MooDoo> davmor2, it's coz i'm miles away :)
[19:55] <fearny> Hi need some running a racing sim game called rfactor
[19:56] <fearny> its not detecting my on board ati HD 4200
[19:57] <daubers> Evening
[19:57] <MooDoo> daubers, evening
[20:02] <AlanBell> Look who the European Commission vice president turns to for advice! http://twitter.com/#!/NeelieKroesEU/status/5692941079150593
[20:03] <Azelphur> nice
[20:03] <daubers> Blimey, that's quite impressive
[20:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ireland aren't allow to beat England at anything for the next million years, it's in the small print for the bail out
[20:08] <jacobw> Bah, just spend 75 minutes on the phone with a relative trying to get their email client working and got nowhere
[20:08] <MooDoo> davmor2, lol, then again as she's now in the uk, she should support england lol
[20:09] <jacobw> is it possible to run a VNC session on port 80?
[20:09] <shauno> don't see why not.  I run ssh on 443.  most things don't care.  it's just a number
[20:10] <davmor2> jacobw: are they on Ubuntu?
[20:10] <jacobw> Fedora, but same difference
[20:10] <davmor2> jacobw: get them to share the session via empathy done and dusted
[20:11] <jacobw> davmor2, what protocol?
[20:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: we omt mention the opression so shall we
[20:12] <davmor2> jacobw: It just spouts it through the empathy im call
[20:12] <davmor2> jacobw: if you can get out through empathy it can get in
[20:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: those painkiller are kicking in I see, you can't type any more :D
[20:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye took some of my strong ones I take for my back for my tooth plus antibiotic
[20:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski, did you sort a dentist?
[20:15] <czajkowski> yes see fb
[20:15] <daubers>  /o\ fb
[20:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: czajkowski can't talk,  so yes she did, wisdom tooth coming through and desperately trying to kill her in the process
[20:16] <MooDoo> davmor2, last time  had to go to the dentist for an extraction, they took 3 of mine out at once
[20:18] <daubers> MooDoo: I'd have done all of them at once, and for half the price!
[20:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: Mine feel apart as they grew through I have a lovely scar from the drain they put in for the abscess, oh and nerve damage so I don't feel a great deal in my chin
[20:19]  * daubers wonders where he put those bolt cutters
[20:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jo Shields] Always twirling, twirling, twirling towards Freedom - http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/296/
[20:19] <jacobw> davmor2, so if I register then for an MSN account, I'll be able to desktop sharing with them?
[20:21] <davmor2> jacobw: yeap, or gmail if you got one, or jabber
[20:21] <jacobw> I can't get jabber working atm
[20:22]  * hippychick kicksh empathy
[20:23] <jacobw> Oh. It's working :p
[20:23] <hippychick> my empathy on msn doesnt bloody work
[20:25] <finelytuned> evenin g all
[20:28] <jacobw> evening
[20:31] <davmor2> hippychick: there was a work around for that in a bug report I'll try and track it down,  the issue was with MS rather than empathy
[20:32] <daubers> Whats the plural of apex?
[20:32] <daubers> apexs' or apexes?
[20:38] <shauno> apices :)
[20:38] <davmor2> hippychick: sorry I can't find it :(
[20:38] <danfish> daubers: apices
[20:39] <hippychick> davmor2, i found this, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1583570.html but im getting the same issue as the last people
[20:39] <hippychick> and the fix in there is already on my laptop
[20:40] <daubers> shauno,danfish: ta :)
[20:41] <davmor2> hippychick: I know why mine is working there is a fix in proposed
[20:45] <MooDoo> hehe john maddog hall just accepted my facebook friend request lol
[21:01] <finelytuned> cya all tomorrow
[21:05] <popey> bigcalm: google minecraft xray :D
[21:06] <bigcalm> Oooooo
[21:06] <bigcalm> That's cheating!
[21:07]  * popey presses F4 to highlight diamond on his map
[21:11] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_165689&v=v5fS4RF3ht0&feature=iv
[21:13] <popey> lol, thats ace
[21:14] <bigcalm> Now watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtWwkJqrT_4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[21:14] <bigcalm> Which is, erm, colourful
[21:18] <popey> wow
[21:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Tips For ustream.tv Videocasters - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/23/tips-for-ustream-tv-videocasters/
[21:19] <Azelphur> do the linksys wifi cards have proprietary drivers?
[21:20] <Azelphur> and by linksys I mean netgear
[21:20]  * Azelphur facepalms on behalf of everyone
[21:20] <suprengr> I could have sworn I synchronised my planet's time-counters with your Earth clocks correctly...
[21:21] <suprengr> ...so what happened to  or: Meeting 23rd November 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting"
[21:21] <popey> "oops"
[21:21] <suprengr> [me confused]
[21:21]  * popey pokes AlanBell 
[21:22]  * suprengr poke me
[21:22] <popey> looks like everyone forgot]
[21:23] <AlanBell> in another meeting that is running over, and dull
[21:23] <suprengr> forgiveness is a gift.. you are forgiven
[21:23] <suprengr> ;)
[21:27] <AlanBell> right, done with the last meeting
[21:27] <AlanBell> ok, so oops to our meeting, my fault I was chair
[21:28] <AlanBell> mea culpa and many lashes with the cilice and all that
[21:28] <AlanBell> actually no, that is a wearing thing
[21:28] <suprengr> whatever turns you on
[21:29] <AlanBell> ok, so rescheduling sounds like a good idea
[21:29] <danfish> prob for the best
[21:29]  * suprengr agrees
[21:32] <AlanBell> tomorrow?
[21:33]  * mgdm looks at upgrading his MPC-L... which is headless... from Jaunty
[21:34] <danfish> AlanBell: ?bit short notice - maybe next Tuesday?
[21:34] <danfish> mgdm: DO IT!
[21:34]  * suprengr agrees next week... allows time for rumours to spread
[21:35] <danfish> mgdm: can't get my MPC-L to run maverick, but OK with lucid
[21:35] <mgdm> danfish: cool, I'll be happy with Lucid
[21:38] <popey> it wont run maverick because its not i686
[21:38] <gord> wow really?
[21:38] <mgdm> oh, forgot about that change
[21:39] <danfish> oh yeah, me too
[21:41] <marsilainen> are those mpc-l things still available to buy? or is there a better alternative these days?
[21:42] <gord> i'm waiting for arm hardware to become more prevalent before replacing my low energy stuff with newer low energy stuff. would love to replace my home server with an arm device
[21:42] <AlanBell> ok, so next meeting Tuesday 30th then
[21:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - 1st 3D Open Source driver from AMD/ATi : http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/211503/open_source_driver_debuts_for_amd_fusion_chip.html
[21:44] <mgdm> \o/ Ubuntu 9.04
[21:44] <mgdm> (in screen)
[21:44] <danfish> marsilainen: dunno, but they I think it's fair to say revo's are prob more popular and far more popular for low powered stuff
[21:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> "At this rate, it won't be long before drivers and compatibility issues become a thing of the past for Linux users."
[21:45] <danfish> buzzzz. repetition!
[21:46] <suprengr> AlanBell: Tuesday 30th cool
[21:54] <mgdm> anyone know offhand what kind of drive the MPC-L has inside it? I forget, and I dont have a screwdriver handy
[21:55] <danfish> mgdm: 2.5in pata IIRC
[21:55] <Nafallo> mgdm: dmesg ? :-)
[21:55] <mgdm> danfish: ta
[21:55] <mgdm> Nafallo: oh aye
[21:56] <mgdm> I might get a bigger one
[21:56] <Nafallo> mgdm: 512GB SSD? ;-)
[21:58] <mgdm> Nafallo: hah
[22:06] <AlanBell> can popey or someone update the topic please, here and -meeting
[22:06] <AlanBell> or that
[22:06] <DJones> Go for it
[22:06] <Nafallo> hah
[22:07] <AlanBell> Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived:  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List:  http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines -  http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 23rd November 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting  http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet |  Christmas party http://ubunt.eu/c2 ☃
[22:07] <AlanBell> silly paste thing
[22:08] <bigcalm> Wow, I missed this. It's finally made beta (back in September) http://sparkleshare.org/
[22:08]  * Nafallo ponders how one says that domain ubunt.eu... ubunteeeew?
[22:13] <AlanBell> up to 11 for the christmas thing, plus 5 maybes
[22:15] <mgdm> this goes to 11 \o/
[22:15] <AlanBell> rock on
[22:19] <danfish> gotta work until 20:30 that day :(
[22:21] <jacobw> I'm considering buying a VPS to host a website for a business venture
[22:21] <jacobw> What VPS provider would you guys reccomend?
[22:21] <bigcalm> Bytemark for me
[22:22] <danfish> linode
[22:22] <AlanBell> we have started using real hardware and running our own vms on it
[22:22] <danfish> AlanBell: oooh, who with?
[22:22] <AlanBell> hardware at hetzner.de
[22:23] <AlanBell> running KVM
[22:23] <AlanBell> looked into doing eucalyptus but really KVM is all we need
[22:24] <danfish> that's some serious hardware - which plan are you using?
[22:25] <AlanBell> EQ 4
[22:25] <AlanBell> 8 cores, 8GB
[22:25] <AlanBell> looked at the bigger boxes, but I would rather have smaller ones with more redundancy
[22:26] <AlanBell> 4 cores, hyperthreaded to be strictly accurate
[22:27] <danfish> makes sense
[22:27] <popey> mgdm: http://popey.com/~alan/viglen/
[22:27] <popey> has been there for ooo 2 years :)
[22:28] <mgdm> popey: yay, ta :)
[22:28] <jacobw> The business is a rent-a-villa type deal, I'm planning to use the website to advertise the property and what dates are available for booking, and possibily take bookings
[22:28] <danfish> AlanBell: your own mini cloud :)
[22:28] <bigcalm> Still running xorg on a viglen?
[22:28] <popey> hah
[22:28] <jacobw> I don't think I need a monsterous server for that just yet
[22:28] <popey> not running any viglens at the moment
[22:28] <bigcalm> Me neither :S
[22:28] <bigcalm> No idea what to do with mine
[22:28] <popey> someone should make a ppa for a maverick kernel which is i386
[22:29] <popey> for the viglen
[22:29] <bigcalm> Still want to buy another revo but doubt I'll use it
[22:29] <AlanBell> jacobw: no, you don't, really cheap vps from bytemark would work great
[22:29]  * popey looks at his spare revo
[22:29] <AlanBell> could do shared hosting but it is nicer to have root access to your machine
[22:29] <bigcalm> Is it worth getting the recent one?
[22:29] <jacobw> AlanBell: I agree, I would definately want root access
[22:30] <danfish> popey: could you use a debian i386 recent kernel on the MPC-L and then the rest of the ubuntu 'stack', or am I being dumb?
[22:31] <popey> danfish: probably
[22:31] <danfish> :D
[22:31] <popey> unless there are libc differences
[22:31] <AlanBell> we are mainly doing VPS for our consultancy customers, and we are not getting into monthly billing stuff, just 6 or 12 month contracts
[22:31] <danfish> sorry - I was assuming the 'dumb' option ;)
[22:31] <popey> :)
[22:31]  * bigcalm chuckles
[22:31] <popey> dumb is good
[22:31] <bigcalm> It wasn't aimed at me!
[22:32] <popey> i need sleep
[22:32] <popey> nn all
[22:32] <bigcalm> Night popey
[22:32] <danfish> cheerio
[22:34] <danfish> AlanBell: I wonder if the G-Cloud will ever actually happen?
[22:36] <Azelphur> I wonder how fast Ubuntu would boot on 3 SSD's in RAID5
[22:37] <AlanBell> danfish: not sure, now John Suffolk is leaving
[22:37] <AlanBell> something called the G-Cloud will certainly happen
[22:38] <danfish> Azelphur: softraid - not at all - raid5 booting not supported AFAIK
[22:38] <AlanBell> and will be pointed to as a success of the strategy
[22:38] <danfish> AlanBell: why, oh why did he have to leave. A disaster.
[22:38] <Azelphur> danfish: so I'd need a mobo with real raid to do it
[22:39] <danfish> Azelphur: yup
[22:39] <Azelphur> that's a little depressing D:
[22:40] <danfish> AlanBell: in my patch we have agreed to start a cloud(y) type system with 'buddy' practices who will mirror each other's data and in event of a failure at on site provide a virtual machine
[22:41] <danfish> not much, but a start
[22:41] <AlanBell> nice
[22:42] <danfish> Azelphur: the softraid stuff is loads during boot, so you've go to get so far into the boot before that happens
[22:42] <Azelphur> Indeed
[22:44] <danfish> in an IT meeting yesterday, the local IT manager mentioned open source before I did. He's looking at open(libre)office on new installs.
[22:45] <jacobw> win
[22:48] <danfish> jacobw: maybe. The standard doc format within the organisation has been set at .doc with .docx being deemed unacceptable.
[22:48] <siya> "fsck: fsck.ntfs-3g: not found"
[22:49] <siya> Is there such a thing these days or do ppl still dual boot for fix ntfs problems?
[22:49]  * siya is dealing with a backup disk that needs to be Win mountable if the day ever came
[22:50] <siya> Would rather not format it FAT... *sigh*
[22:50] <danfish> siya: sorry to ask a stupid Q, but is package ntfs-3g installed?
[22:50] <siya> btw, evening peeps
[22:50] <siya> danfish, yup it is
[22:50] <siya> ntfsprogs as well
[22:51] <siya> I normally have it mounted and use rsync to write to it
[22:51] <siya> noticed an IO error in my syslog so thought I'd best check the disk
[22:52] <siya> Setup is a Ubuntu server running virtualbox 3.2. Guest OS's include Win2k8.
[22:52] <siya> multiple virtual machines backup to that disk (not all local) hence rsync
[22:54] <danfish> I can't say anything good about ntfs
[22:55] <siya> danfish, I'd rather use something else but I also need to have access to it from Windows (others not me)
[22:55] <siya> imho using ntfs-3g for backup purposes in not ideal
[22:57] <BigRedS> ext driver for windows?
[22:57] <danfish> ?format as ext3 and then get the windows folks to use the ext3 driver for windows if needed?
[22:57] <BigRedS> for backing up a unixy thing, I'd want a unixy fs, else you'll be forever arsing around with permissions
[22:58] <siya> danfish, urgh
[22:59] <siya> kthnx guys. Prolly best I reformat when swapping backup disks next
[23:01] <danfish> right. TTFN. Kids will be waking me up in 6 hrs or less.
[23:18] <hamitron> certainly fresh outside ;/
[23:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Barnes and Noble response - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/130533.html
[23:29] <jacobw> Does anybody use Google Sites?
[23:29] <hamitron> yes
[23:29] <hamitron> not much though :/
[23:36] <jacobw> I think I'll stick to writing my own HTML etc on balance, at least I'll know exactly how it works
[23:46] <hamitron> jacobw: I personally consider it a good fill in till I can be bothered to make something
[23:47] <BigRedS> Ah, that's what I call html 1.0 style sites
[23:48] <jacobw> BigRedS: Google sites are?
[23:48] <jacobw> hamitron: I can figure out how to make it do what I want
[23:49] <jacobw> hamitron: I'm not quite sure about having a WYSIWYG web page editor inside my browser either
[23:49] <hamitron> my main reason for even looking was the email hosting
[23:49] <hamitron> :)
[23:49] <jacobw> Yeah that is a good reason
[23:51] <hamitron> it was part of my drive in life to reduce "maintaining" stuff
[23:54] <jacobw> I think that having an integrated email and calendar and everything else would be massively over doing it for what I need
[23:54] <hamitron> I just used it to redirect stuff
[23:54] <hamitron> :)
[23:54] <jacobw> I just need to display a calendar, have a contact form and drop emails to a small number of people
[23:54] <hamitron> but I know there is the functionality there is needed
[23:55] <hamitron> if*
[23:55] <jacobw> Which is probably PHP 101
[23:55]  * jacobw needs to learn PHP
[23:55] <hamitron> it was not really the setup of what I needed, that worried me
[23:56] <hamitron> more the continual patching if I hosted my own
[23:56] <hamitron> and google been free, won me over
[23:57] <jacobw> Yeah, on the flip side, I will need the ability to maintain this site myself
[23:57] <hamitron> I do use google docs though, and have thought it would be interesting to merge it all together
[23:57] <jacobw> Yeah, I think that would be good
[23:58] <hamitron> but then I come to my main weakness.... I never play with that kinda thing until I need it
[23:58] <jacobw> I've never played with a server before, it'll be a learning experience
[23:58] <hamitron> so just use what I already know
[23:59] <hamitron> yeh