[00:09] time for coffee to feed the brain for the task of tackling spam email, brb [00:19] [Alan Bell] Ubuntu IRC Council - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/ubuntu-irc-council/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-irc-council === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem [06:33] morning early people :) [06:34] grunt. [07:15] rather annoying when I can't seem to find seemingly simple things on google. gasm's comment delimiter did a pretty good job of evading me [07:59] morning all [07:59] Morning AlanBell :) [08:23] morning everyone. [08:23] Morning all [08:34] morning [08:36] anyone want the donttellbill.com domain? [08:37] AlanBell: Who was the Bill in the domain name? [08:37] we did a little marketing campaign a few years ago around it, but we didn't take it very far [08:37] http://donttellbill.com/ [08:37] Ah, I was thinking along the line of the British Gas Sid campaign [08:38] yeah, based on that [08:38] free software is great, but shh, don't tell Bill [08:38] Ah, I see [08:39] I would have though redirecting to your main website would have been a good idea just in case anybody still has it as a saved link [08:42] Stupid windows security, You don't have an antivirus protection enabled, YES I do, its running, ok, I'll pause protection & re-enable, Oh, I do have an Antivirus running now [08:42] I have http://dont-tell-bill.com too which auto renewed for 2 years quite recently. [08:43] * DJones Has a penny thats just dropped, Bill = Bill Gates .... Doh [08:43] this one is expiring soon [08:43] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks DJones probably needs more coffee [08:43] 2nd cup of the day, about to get 3rd [08:43] DJones: well some people might leap to that conclusion of course, but it wasn't us that said it :) [08:44] :) [08:44] Bill is just a fictional character, like Sid [08:44] To quote Francis Urquat, You couldn't possibly comment :) [08:44] quite [08:44] Have your Streak's been updated to Froyo yet? [08:45] DJones: Nope. They released one for the unlocked devices first. And TBH it sounds like a pile of steaming poo. [08:46] http://android.modaco.com/content/dell-streak-streak-modaco-com/323607/buglist-and-peculiarities-on-official-2-2-froyo/ [08:46] AlanBell: hahahahhahaha, funny site :) [08:46] Not good then, Must admit I'm impressed with 2.2 on my Desire HD, although still seems to be occasional issues with the Calendar hammering the battery [08:46] DJones: Yeah - I think it Dell, rather than Froyo. [08:47] Ohh it's getting closer: http://android.modaco.com/content/dell-streak-streak-modaco-com/323860/eu-00-froyo-is-live/ [08:49] I'm getting tempted to have a go and install this one instead: http://android.modaco.com/content/dell-streak-streak-modaco-com/322298/streakdroid-froyo-v1-4-2-announcement-thread/ [08:50] Sounds like its still a bit buggy looking at the couple of comments on that page [08:50] yeah. [08:51] I've had more system updates in 3 weeks with this HD & 2.2 than I had in 18 months with a HTC Magic [08:52] May sound a lot, but it was only one update :) [08:53] good morning folks [08:57] Morning [08:58] morning daubers [08:59] * daubers makes the tea [09:00] * TheOpenSourcerer goes for coffee #3 [09:00] * DJones drinks coffee #3 [09:06] * AlanBell goes for #2 [09:06] err, coffee #2, not a #2 you understand [09:06] lol [09:07] good day :) [09:08] popey: poke? [09:11] my mad scientist plan is to create a genetically modified infant with an inbuilt logging system. That way you can run a query along the lines of dmesg | grep "whydidyouwakeup6timesduringthenight" :( [09:11] danfish: that's a reboot loop, dmesg won't help there [09:11] danfish: But you _know_ the answer would be "because you weren't there" [09:11] danfish: you'll need a serial port and log from there [09:12] daubers: true [09:13] MartijnVdS: nah - inbuilt wifi [09:13] "Subject: Thank you for your recent [e-mail address removed]" - No problem [company name redacted]! [09:13] gord: are you reading the SCP wiki again? :) [09:13] gord: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ [09:18] MartijnVdS, nope, just my normal run of the mill email, just that my email is top secret [09:19] [Alan Bell] The Ubuntu UK Christmas Party - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/the-ubuntu-uk-christmas-party/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-ubuntu-uk-christmas-party [09:29] aloha [09:29] o/ [09:30] nigelb: hmm? [09:50] Good morning peeps :) [09:51] lo [09:53] My Father's laptop has bitten the dust. Time to school him on what makes for a new good laptop [09:55] macbookpro [09:55] <= 500? [09:56] £ [10:00] morning folks [10:02] popey: Do you have access to the fridge calender? Diwic wanted some help [10:03] (basically, a meeting added isn't showing on the frige calender for some reason though it was accepted) [10:10] http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2 <-- can anyone manage to download the RT2860PCI/mPCI/CB/PCIe(RT2760/RT2790/RT2860/RT2890) option from there? every time i try i get a weird file that bunzip can't handle (even though its a tar.bz2) [10:10] had to re-say that because my wifi has gone crazy and need that file to fix ;) [10:13] gord: what does "file blah.tar.bz2" say? [10:13] grabbing a tar now, will check it opens shortly [10:13] ah there we go, its a gz [10:13] gord: Its downloaded for me on windows & I've been able to unzip it [10:13] thanks MartijnVdS [10:13] Same issue, as you [10:13] ah [10:13] :D [10:14] gord: Do you want me to .zip it and upload it somewhere so you can download it [10:15] Or at least .rar it [10:19] [Alan Bell] OverView Zoomy presentations with OpenGL - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/11/23/overview-zoomy-presentations-with-opengl/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=overview-zoomy-presentations-with-opengl [10:32] bigcalm: thinkpad [10:35] popey: Where is good for cheap laptops now, I seem to remember you suggesting somewhere for thinkpads a few weeks back [10:35] DJones: sterlingxs? [10:37] Do tinkpads still have nipples? [10:38] even my Dell has one [10:38] bigcalm: They seem to have both. [10:39] screen-x: Thanks, they seem to have pretty limited stocks at the minute [10:39] My Dell lacks a nipple [10:40] I quite liked the trackpoint on my thinkpad, but I don't miss it much on other laptops. [10:41] my dell is nipply [10:41] I hate my dell.. it's too plastic [10:41] and clunky [10:42] next laptop I buy is going to have a long long long batery! and be light! [10:42] not asking for much am I [10:42] oh and not cost a fortune [10:42] czajkowski: and a pony [10:42] MBA 11, though that doesn't fit your last criteria... [10:43] right dentist time [10:43] czajkowski: good luck [10:44] czajkowski: You need a zareason [10:44] I played with one the other day, I haven't picked up a small laptop that is so difficult to bend before. [10:46] nigelb: I like the ubuntu key :) [10:46] screen-x: That I LOVE! [10:46] And the tux stickers [10:50] random question time! what'd be the easiest way to get apache to accept a http post on any url (existent or not), and store the contents somewhere? [10:50] DJones: sterlingxs [10:51] oh, someone got it [10:51] czajkowski: mbp [10:51] popey: I had a look there, they seemed to be pretty much out of stock of everything at the minute [10:52] Just looking through the links from nakedcomputers [10:52] i can't see myself buying anything other than apple laptops in the future tbh, maybe thinkpad, maybe something else if I become a tramp and run out of money [10:52] Sonys are nice [10:52] they're the most apple-y non-apple laptops I've seen [10:52] *pets his Vaio 13"* [10:53] nah, sony are off the list, have been for years [10:53] that reminds me of the 'just like a Golf' adverts [10:53] really want an alienware [10:53] From my experience, especially older sonys they seem to be noisey and hot [10:53] and made of cheap plastic [10:53] * diplo running a old ( 3 years ) one now and it sucks [10:53] popey: why? they used to suck, I agree, but the current models (especially the intel-only ones) are really nice [10:54] runs @ 60 normally, open anything slightly demanding it hits 90/95 and fans go mad [10:54] alienware m11x is what i'd like [10:54] if it were up to me [10:55] 11" netbook with an i7 and a geforce [10:55] I really fancy one of the new macbook airs, but it's gotta wait until I've got a desktop [10:55] my current laptop fits the 'desktop replacement' category, the MBA doesn't really [11:19] [Stuart Langridge] Why I can't have an electric car - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/11/23/why-i-can-t-have-an-electric-car [11:25] http://www.ebuyer.com/lunchtime-special?hpb=1 [11:25] 160 quid for a ps3 [11:30] popey: Shame they're built by sony really [11:32] popey: eh no :) [11:33] results from dentist: I need to have my wisdom tooth removed [11:33] balls [11:33] ouch [11:33] :( [11:35] czajkowski: Nasty [11:35] czajkowski: Also, sounds expensive [11:35] I am less than impressed [11:35] hilarious responses to popey's "what to put in my car" [11:36] Copies of "Art of Community" for fuel :p [11:36] :) [11:37] http://www.dicecollector.com/JM/ [11:40] czajkowski, had one of mine out the other day, bar for a bit of uncomfortableness for a few days it wasn't *to* bad [11:40] And i hate going to the dentist with a passion [11:41] I can either get it done under local or general [11:41] Who doesn't? ;) [11:41] I'm tempted to go generall [11:41] general++ [11:42] I did general a year or so ago, this time i did local [11:42] Worse part of general was that I felt groggy as hell for 2-3 days after [11:42] Couldn't really work [11:43] You have to get someone to bring you home as well [11:43] People always tell me never to have a general for wisdom teeth, the dentist can be a bit rougher than if the patient is awake [11:45] :o [11:45] hm, adding a static eth0 made my nm-applet disappear :( [11:46] czajkowski: I'm not trying to put you off, isn't there somebody who works at a dental practice who uses the channel, they maybe a better person to ask [11:46] They were working on openmolar [11:46] (I think) [11:47] czajkowski: you been to the dentist [11:47] DJones: problem is I'm a really really bad patient with a dentist, I've bitten 2 dentists when I was a kid [11:47] davmor2: I went!! [11:47] czajkowski: and [11:48] davmor2: infection o widsom tooth coming down, no more room for it to come down, so caused nerves in my jaw to lock up. Need tooth removed. [11:50] czajkowski: My wife is like that, she has a dairy intolerance and had soya milk as a kid, which was heavily sweetened to hide the bad taste, took all most of the enamal off her teeth so they rot quite quickly, when she had fillings the dentist didn't let the anastetic take effect and drilled on nerves & ignored her trying to stop her, she stopped going, eventually went again but had to have sedation just for an examination [11:50] popey: Is it just me or is width of etherpad sort of messed up? [11:50] nigelb: click button far right toi make it a full page [11:51] DJones: I look after my teeth from fear of the denitist I had braces as a kid [11:51] * nigelb hugs czajkowski [11:51] czajkowski: That worked :) [11:52] czajkowski: She's just started to let a new dentist we've got do work, just had fillings & although nervous, just had normal treetment, no sedation :) [11:52] * popey points nigelb to Daviey [11:53] oops [11:53] * nigelb feels pointed out [11:53] * nigelb also notes that Daviey broke the default option of being full window or something [11:53] Whatever, another reason to #blameDaviey [11:54] I had a patch to make it go full screen some months ago... can't find the damn thing now, and now finding it a PITA to recreate. [11:54] nigelb: it was never default to fullscreen... but i WANT to add that [11:54] (patches welcome) [11:54] Daviey: meh, Java. [11:54] nigelb: no you #blamepopey popey then picks on Daviey till it's fixed [11:54] nigelb: actually.... that part isn't [11:54] davmor2: oh, that's a nice strategy [11:54] it's JS :) [11:54] Daviey: JS? [11:54] it's a winning combination [11:54] I'd love to :) [11:55] Daviey: can you edit css for body? [11:55] if so just add a class and it will work I think ;) [11:56] nigelb: if only [11:56] server side JS! [11:56] Daviey: dammit. Need to see code :( [11:56] * nigelb goes to branch from google whatever [11:57] github = awesomeness! [11:58] Daviey: Can you point out some starter of where to look? [11:58] nigelb: grep for fullscreen :) [11:59] gah, its still branching [11:59] I'm looking at github's web thingy [12:01] hrm, .ejs is java? [12:09] Heh, Enterprise JavaScript! :D [12:09] Daviey: I have a one patch for you [12:09] popey: haha [12:10] nigelb: shoot it over [12:10] Daviey: its not a patch, but I'll tell you what to change so that it fixes [12:10] * nigelb sends a PM [12:10] nigelb: patch pls :) [12:10] Daviey: GAH :D [12:10] nigelb: or better, a git tree i can pull from :) [12:12] Daviey: meh, patched already [12:15] Daviey: Link to patch PM'd, go fix it and let me have the satisfaction of having made the world a better place :p [12:16] pah [12:16] nigelb: you could put it somewhere i could wget the .patch [12:16] Daviey: lazy :p [12:16] Daviey: lemme put it on my people.ubuntu.com [12:17] nigelb: applied :) [12:18] Daviey: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/daviey.patch [12:18] GAH [12:18] nigelb: lol [12:18] It works \o/ [12:19] nigelb: if you propose it for fixing in the mainline on github, i should be able to commit it [12:19] I'm doing that now :) [12:19] nigelb: give me a shout when you have put the pull request in [12:20] \o [12:20] Daviey: \o/ Do I hold the record for the fastest bug fix yet? :p [12:24] nigelb: maybe :) [12:24] Note to self: Any $blameDaviey ends up with me fixing the bug. [12:24] crikey - just seen Korea on the news [12:24] lol [12:26] nigelb: told you #blamepopey :P [12:29] davmor2: lol [12:33] nigelb: not seeing the pull request..... you lose the prize for fastest resolution [12:33] :(( [12:35] czajkowski: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11815001 [12:36] AlanBell: 16 of us that went to college togehter are now left ireland [12:36] sad :( [12:36] train us up and ship us out [12:37] escaped a sinking ship! [12:39] re: korea... time to fire up falcon 4 allied force again ;-) [12:42] L-l-l-l-l-l-l-unch time! [12:42] I wish :/ [12:45] * daubers beats some scripts to death with a stick [12:49] should it be a bug if a package fails --configure (leaving dpkg to believe it's broken) if your system doesn't match a hard-coded IP? [12:51] Yay...Public holiday announced for 29th April 2011 [12:53] * DJones makes note in diary & wonders whether it'll be warm enough for a BBQ [12:53] Long weekend :) [12:53] Will Charlie get any time on the throne before William takes over? [12:54] Not if his mother has anything to say about it :) [12:54] Does Queenie actually not him to be king? [12:55] +want [12:55] She probably does, but she looks like she'll outlast him [12:57] I thought that was a done deal once he married his mistress he'd never be king it would go straight to william [12:58] DJones: that makes it a 3 day week :D [12:59] czajkowski: nope, the impression was that she would not take the title of Queen [12:59] but he could be king, with princess consort Camilla [12:59] czajkowski: Thats certainly been rumoured amongst conspiracy theorists, but I doubt it [13:00] but there was a stumbling interview last week which has been interpreted by the press to be a change on that [13:00] DJones: doesnt really bode well, cheat on your wife for years publically, mdivorce her, she dies, marry mistress and become king... [13:00] personally I think he finds discussion of the succession to be in rather poor taste and just fumbled in the interview [13:01] understandable. it pretty much translates to "what do you want to do when your mum dies", which would be grossly offensive in any other context [13:01] czajkowski: True, but then again, how many wives did King Henry have :) [13:01] DJones: different times, [13:01] shauno: exactly [13:01] DJones: also, everyone in most counteries loved princess di [13:01] how many feel that way about camilla [13:02] :) [13:02] No comment [13:02] and she's not his mum either [13:02] oh wait nm [13:02] wrong son [13:02] DJones: beheading your wives is now considered increadibly bad manners these days ;) [13:03] danfish: Thats unfair, I was thinking about sharpening my axe [13:03] * DJones looks around to make sure his wife isn't in the channel [13:03] hah [13:04] I don't think the divorce thing should really be an issue. it's not a standard we hold anyone else to. [13:04] * danfish notes that the £80 million cost of the wedding will be met by the public purse [13:05] mind you, it would be a bit of an ask on the bride's parents [13:05] danfish: We'll probably make it back though [13:06] danfish: Once you take in account all the oddbods who'll take a holiday to be in London when it happens and all that malarky, I think we'd get that 80mill+ a bit back into the old economy [13:06] danfish: We only get to pay for the security & transport costs [13:07] The families are paying for the wedding itself, I wonder if they have to pay a fee to use Westminster Abbey though? [13:07] daubers: prob true [13:08] anyone here got an ebay account? [13:08] DJones: unlikely - the Queen is the head of the church that owns the abbey [13:08] popey: yup [13:08] someone in another channel just pointed out that they seem to ignore the case sensitivity of the first character [13:08] (which many people will capitalise to use as their 'mixed case' password) [13:08] popey: yea I do [13:09] try it :) [13:09] try logging on with the first character of your password in the wrong case [13:09] I cant because my password starts with a number :) [13:09] hak da planet [13:10] popey: ha, WFM :) [13:10] popey: bug(?) confirmed [13:10] popey: seems to not be case sensative at all [13:10] yup, not case sensitive [13:11] Just the 1st character? [13:11] seems so [13:11] Odd [13:11] no, the entire thing isn't case sensative [13:11] I tried altering the case of my password all over and still got in [13:11] me too [13:11] OH [13:12] just tested that too [13:12] I would say it is intentional [13:12] hehe [13:12] reduces security a bit, and reduces problems from people who leave caps lock on a lot [13:14] One of my client's sites drops the case on passwords entered as well. Quite depressing [13:18] hello bigcalm [13:20] * daubers puts the kettle on [13:20] * popey puts Blondie on [13:22] * popey considers recording a couple of screencasts [13:23] to the theme of "Denie, Denie" [13:23] popey: "How to sing like Blondie into a hairbrush"? [13:29] * screen-x digs out the XSLT book [13:34] daubers: wonder if singstar microphones work on loonicks... [13:38] heh, they're just USB mics aren't they? [13:40] the PS2 ones are just audio mics with a 3.5mm jack, the dongle is a dual input usb soundcard of some sort [14:00] This dead tree seems to auto-close itself when I look up, I need a paper version of a bookmark, a real bookmark! [14:01] sounds like a job for... yesterday's train ticket [14:01] screen-x: Or a shoe [14:02] * DJones suggests a finger [14:29] * gord suggests scanning in all the pages, using OCR to extract the text and convert into your favourite document format [14:32] njpatel: an interesting thing happen yesterday I went to disable the unity plugin in ccsm to find out it already was, so it's definitely compiz at fault [14:33] davmor2, interesting, did you see if the window decorations plugin was enabled? [14:33] davmor2, in the upgrade some of the settings might have been lost [14:33] njpatel: the decor was in the disabled pile [14:34] njpatel: I moved them all over to the enabled side but to no avail. [14:34] yeah, so I'd recommend enabling: decor, place, move, composite, opengl, static switcher, at least [14:34] davmor2, "enabled side"? [14:35] your using "compizconfig-settings-manager"'s ccsm? [14:35] njpatel: Yeah for the plugins you have the disabled side and the enabled side under manage plugins [14:36] njpatel: when you enable unity it shows up in the main window [14:37] huh, interesting, [14:37] * njpatel never knew that [14:40] njpatel: yeap Preferences -> Plugin list [14:40] On a laptop thats previously had nvidia drivers installed, if I want to test the nouveau driver, should I just uninstall all nvidia graphics (nvidia-96 I think) and will that remove the blacklist nouveau from /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf [14:41] njpatel: Yay! unity [14:41] sweet! [14:42] njpatel: I was missing the opengl one after I moved the others across last night [14:42] riight [14:42] it's a slightly weird thing about compiz that you can start it up and it can be completely useless [14:50] you don't say [14:50] :) [14:50] I am absolutely loving the latest vanilla install of maverick [14:50] I normally just apt-get upgrade from old versions [14:50] but a re-install is quite different [14:52] Noooooo!!!! [14:52] my tea went cold :( [14:52] that's a shame.. [14:52] Down it in one and then make a fresh mug [14:52] I do that far too much when I'm coding [14:53] hello all [14:53] I find that my mugs never hold enough tea [14:53] Sat debugging at the moment, got involved and now I need a fresh mug of tea :( [14:55] daubers: do you have an underling to get you one? [14:55] AlanBell, are you around [14:56] for a minute or two [14:56] AlanBell, can i be picky [14:56] yes [14:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell - could leave a short testimonial below? but all of them are above? or am i reading it wrong [14:57] reading it wrong! [14:57] ah ok i'll shut up :) [14:57] it is a new testimonials section, as yet empty for the IRCC thing [14:57] ah ok [14:58] sorry :) [15:00] s'ok [15:00] not sure how to fix that emptyness though . . . [15:00] AlanBell: leave an obviously empty one? [15:01] by which i mean an example [15:01] brain is fried [15:01] bigcalm: Nah, I'm too nice for that [15:02] * czajkowski stabs MooDoo [15:02] * dutchie needs an underling [15:03] they should bring back the days when poor students had to be the others' slaves at oxbridge [15:03] czajkowski, oi that wasn't nice [15:04] I get to wipe a Mac and install Ubuntu on it [15:04] yay [15:04] wahey [15:04] I have a mac keyboard for use with my Ubuntu machine - win! [15:05] czajkowski: I thought you'd be fully in the debian/kde camp by now ;-) [15:05] czajkowski, prod.......:p [15:05] nope [15:05] TheOpenSourcerer: only 1 debian person in here good few KDE and one BSD [15:05] MooDoo: oi [15:05] * czajkowski stabs MooDoo [15:05] andylockran: only mac keyboard i have used is horrible [15:05] it is about 7 years old though [15:06] This is one of them aluminium ones [15:06] * DJones takes czajkowski's sharp pointy toys away & replaces them with a squishy, padded toay [15:06] s/toay/toy [15:07] * czajkowski sulks [15:07] * czajkowski prods DJones oi no fun [15:07] Ow [15:07] see stabbing is better [15:09] czajkowski: Perhaps you need one of these http://www.urbancombat.us/store.html [15:10] czajkowski, not liking you at the moment *pout* [15:14] Afternoon all! :) [15:14] hwody xteejx [15:15] I think empathy is playing games again, people not appearing in the users list :S [15:16] andylockran: PS Hi :) [15:17] lets hope sabdfl has a open house warming party :) - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/shuttleworth_superior_ink/ [15:17] Note this isn't spam guys, but I'm thinking of releasing this 9 second parody in the Ubuntu blogosphere somewhere, can some peeps give me a yay or nay on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGO18iUpgvQ PS I'm not worried about being flamed by MS users at all [15:18] $31.5million??? Sod the house warming, let's hope that he start dishing out money ;) [15:19] [Ralph Janke] LibreOffice: Document Foundation Steering Committee Public Phone Conference 28-Nov-2010 - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/libreoffice-document-foundation-steering-committee-public-phone-conference-28-nov-2010 [15:19] And thats only a weekend home, isn't his offical residence in The Isle of Man [15:19] MooDoo: diddums [15:20] czajkowski, stab stab stab :p [15:20] MooDoo: you will lose [15:20] So he's from South Africa but lives over here? Not surprised Canonical's Head Office is in Millbank [15:20] czajkowski, try me :p [15:20] davmor2: sort your partner in crime out [15:20] as long as there's no more student loan increases :P [15:20] davmor2, she's not scaring me today! [15:20] czajkowski: why you started it :P [15:21] * xteejx pulls up a chair and grabs some popcorn [15:21] MooDoo: I'd worry if I were you czajkowski has to let her fear angry out on someone (Dentists who needs them.....oh yeah) [15:22] davmor2, last visit to the dentist i had 3 wisdom teeth out, so pah! she don't scare me :p [15:22] * DJones joins xteejx with a chair& gets a large back of Minstrels (other chocolate is available) [15:23] MooDoo: you say that now just wait [15:23] DJones: I'll have a bar of Galaxy if you're offering :D [15:23] yeah wait till the pain killers and antibiotics dont work and I get mad [15:23] xteejx: Sorry, I just ate that & fnished off the rest of the chocolate [15:24]