| jdeslip | Ubuntu-Server boots so fast. I think it is literally 2 seconds after my bios... | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| jdeslip | RHEL used to take like 2 minutes | 00:04 |
| jdeslip | I guess when you get rid of X, you can boot real fast :) | 00:06 |
| akk | X doesn't take that long, but gnome does. | 00:07 |
| akk | I'd love to get that 2-second boot, though! 10 sec is about the fastest I've heard of. | 00:07 |
| jdeslip | For server even? | 00:12 |
| jdeslip | It is crazy fast for server | 00:12 |
| jdeslip | BIOS takes way longer than Ubuntu :) | 00:12 |
| akk | BIOSes are amazingly slow, some of them. | 00:14 |
| jdeslip | ya, that is true - particularly on the MoBo's for build-it-yourself computers | 00:15 |
| seidos | here is an ant simulator that's available in linux that isn't in the repositories. http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/main_en.html | 00:19 |
| seidos | oh, and hello, pardon my manners | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | haha, awesome | 00:20 |
| seidos | apparently ants separate their cemeteries and nurseries | 00:20 |
| seidos | hmmm, maybe i should send it to the mailing list | 00:21 |
| seidos | i'm not sure if it's worthy of spamming a mailbox, but then considering the general boring stuff i get in my box... | 00:21 |
| jdeslip | Did you create this? | 00:28 |
| seidos | jdeslip, i wish | 00:30 |
| seidos | i'm really not good at learning languages, programming included. probably because i just don't find myself "talking" to my computer much. | 00:31 |
| seidos | probably because i don't really need my computer to do anything that it can't already do, and i've already programmed a couple tiny programs... | 00:33 |
| jdeslip | Ya, I slowly got into programming for my desktop when I developed very specific needs :) | 00:35 |
| * seidos has a conversation with his computer | 00:36 | |
| seidos | that would be a cool title for a novel "My Conversation with a Computer" or something | 00:37 |
| akk | I wish I could adjust my wants so my computer already did all of them. :) | 00:37 |
| seidos | well, it kind of already happened in Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, i really need to finish that book | 00:37 |
| seidos | akk, what is it that you want? | 00:37 |
| seidos | well, that you're computer can't provide, obviously | 00:38 |
| akk | seidos: I guess I could send you to my software page for a long list of the things I've (partially) added already ... more stuff all the time. | 00:38 |
| seidos | i'd love to program my computer to give me some food, but, i don't think that's going to happen :P | 00:38 |
| seidos | akk, you would have to, i don't remember your website url | 00:38 |
| akk | E.g. just yesterday I was writing an article and got tired of having to fix all the < to < and so forth when I pasted code samples | 00:39 |
| akk | and ended up having to write that in elisp because emacs doesn't seem to have a way to do it already. | 00:39 |
| akk | seidos: http://shallowsky.com/software/ | 00:39 |
| seidos | that is interesting, i just thought about "knows" and memory... | 00:40 |
| seidos | knowing appears to be more involved than just memory, because if there is no capability for feeling... | 00:40 |
| seidos | then do you really know it? | 00:41 |
| seidos | just thinking about this analogy idea i had... | 00:41 |
| DarkwingDuck | nuboon2age_: ping | 00:45 |
| nuboon2age_ | yo DarkwingDuck | 00:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | nuboon2age_: care for a PM? | 00:50 |
| nuboon2age_ | DarkwingDuck: unfortunately i'm in a hurry at the moment but can try and catch up another time | 00:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | nuboon2age_: roger | 00:54 |
| nuboon2age_ | ty DarkwingDuck | 00:55 |
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| dragon | I'm helping someone remotely to fix a system without kernel. How do I go about doing that? | 03:52 |
| akk | Without any kernel at all, they'll have to boot into a live cd or rescue disk. | 03:54 |
| akk | But how did they manage to not have a kernel? | 03:54 |
| dragon | akk: I removed the -server packages and installed ubuntu-desktop. I was never warned that the system was going into an unusable state. | 03:57 |
| dragon | akk: they're booted into a liveCD and awaiting my instructions while trying to make the box accessible to me via SSH. | 03:58 |
| akk | What does it say when it boots? Why do you say there's no kernel there? | 03:58 |
| akk | If they're in a live CD, they can mount the real filesystem and look at /boot | 03:59 |
| akk | and see if there are in fact any kernels there. | 03:59 |
| dragon | 1. There's no other option than memtest | 03:59 |
| akk | Maybe grub is just pointing to the wrong one. | 03:59 |
| dragon | 2. /boot doesn't contain vmlinuz..., initrd... etc. | 03:59 |
| akk | Wow, ubuntu-server must cover everything. | 03:59 |
| akk | How about copying over whatever kernel the livecd has on its /boot? | 04:00 |
| akk | (assuming there is one there) | 04:00 |
| dragon | oh also, there was no package called ubuntu-server. | 04:00 |
| dragon | LiveCD certainly has a kernel, but I'm unsure about what files to copy. Looking for an authoritative list. | 04:00 |
| akk | vmlinuz-... and initrd-... | 04:01 |
| akk | the other stuff in /boot (system.map, abi, config, vmcoreinfo etc.) aren't needed to boot. | 04:01 |
| akk | so you'll need the vmlinuz and initrd, then you'll need to add a grub entry | 04:02 |
| dragon | akk: got it. What'd be an easy way to add the grub entry? sudo update-grub isn't working as expected. | 04:05 |
| dragon | akk: please hilight me if possible | 04:06 |
| akk | It's really easy with grub1. A lot harder with grub2 since it expects to be run only from the installed system. :( | 04:07 |
| akk | dragon: They can probably edit (on the /boot corresponding to the installed system, not the live CD) /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 04:10 |
| akk | and add a section that looks like this (with the name of their real kernel, if it's not 25-generic): http://paste.ubuntu.com/535440/ | 04:12 |
| akk | and with the root set to an appropriate partition, not (hd0,5) and the right UUID | 04:13 |
| dragon1 | akk: yes, I'll attempt that as soon as I get the SSH access. | 04:17 |
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| dragon | akk: it appears that LiveCD's /boot doesn't have those files. | 04:19 |
| akk | liveCDs do have network drivers, though, so I'm sure you can find one to download (maybe the appropriate kernel package .deb). | 04:22 |
| akk | It might also conceivably work to mount the real /boot over whatever is mounted from the CD, then install kernel packages and update grub (though not sure if the livecd has the appropriate grub files in /etc, might have to install/reinstall grub2 too). | 04:30 |
| akk | install as in apt-get | 04:30 |
| dragon | akk: that sounds like something I'd have to do myself, rather than sending the instructions | 04:33 |
| dragon | I guess they're done for the evening. | 04:33 |
| dragon | I wish apt-get had warned me about removing the last kernel. | 04:33 |
| dragon | and I'm positive I installed ubuntu-desktop package. That missed out the kernels? | 04:33 |
| akk | You should probably figure out which package it was you removed, so you won't do that again. | 04:34 |
| akk | ubuntu-desktop is desktop stuff -- X, gnome, etc. | 04:34 |
| akk | And it's just a meta-package -- it's one of the first things that gets removed from my systems (because I remove some things it insists on). | 04:35 |
| dragon | interesting. ubuntu-desktop recommends linux-headers-generic, but doesn't depend on it. | 04:36 |
| akk | aptitude show ubuntu-desktop | grep linux shows only linux-headers-generic, no actual kernel packages. | 04:36 |
| dragon | So you can have ubuntu-desktop running on your system without a kernel! | 04:36 |
| akk | Oh, you're right, even that is a recommendation. | 04:37 |
| akk | linux-headers isn't the kernel. | 04:37 |
| akk | linux-image is the kernel. | 04:37 |
| dragon | so it depends on the headers, not the actual kernel. | 04:37 |
| dragon | I'm starting to feel like I'm getting into trouble for recommending Ubuntu. | 04:38 |
| akk | If you're recommending ubuntu to a newbie who isn't near you, then telling them to remove random large package sets without testing that first | 04:39 |
| akk | then yeah, you'll probably get into trouble. | 04:39 |
| akk | I'm all for experimenting and removing stuff, do it all the time ... but not on my mom's machine just before I leave to come back home. :) | 04:40 |
| dragon | guess so. | 04:41 |
| crashsystems | Anyone in here have a thinkpad x201? | 04:47 |
| akk | o/ | 04:48 |
| akk | Why? I quite like mine. | 04:53 |
| crashsystems | I'm thinking about an x201 for my next laptop | 04:53 |
| crashsystems | so you have an x201 akk? | 04:54 |
| akk | Yes -- sorry, o/ means someone raising their hand. | 04:54 |
| akk | One of those silly IRC shorthands we get used to and forget people might not know. | 04:55 |
| crashsystems | how is the intel gpu you running for you on 10.10? | 04:55 |
| akk | I'm not running 10.10, sorry, just 10.04. | 04:55 |
| crashsystems | ok, in 10.04 then. | 04:55 |
| akk | It works great on 10.04 -- it's a studly google earth machine. | 04:55 |
| akk | (I'm not a gamer, so google earth is my ultimate test of 3d) | 04:55 |
| crashsystems | does it have an hdmi port? I seem to remember seeing that somewhere, but I'm not sure | 04:56 |
| akk | It has this weirdo lenovo proprietary port, for which you can get an adaptor. | 04:56 |
| akk | I'm not sure how much the adaptor costs -- I use one at work but didn't have to buy it myself. | 04:56 |
| crashsystems | it doesn't have a dvd drive, does it? | 04:57 |
| akk | Oh, wait, sorry, ignorance: is HDMI the video thing, different from DVI? | 04:57 |
| crashsystems | yes, different from dvi | 04:57 |
| akk | No, no optical drive at all. Though at work I have a docking station with an optical drive. | 04:57 |
| crashsystems | what would you say are the things you like most and least about it? | 04:58 |
| akk | I think the answer is it doesn't have HDMI (or DVI either) built in | 04:58 |
| akk | but you might be able to get it through a docking station | 04:58 |
| crashsystems | does it have standard monitor port? I'd be ok with just that | 04:59 |
| akk | Yes, there's a standard VGA port built in. | 04:59 |
| akk | Normal plug, no dongle or anything silly like that. | 05:00 |
| crashsystems | how is the keyboard? | 05:01 |
| akk | The keyboard is fabulous. Best I've ever seen on a laptop. | 05:02 |
| crashsystems | :D | 05:02 |
| akk | With one and a half exceptions: F1 and ESC are interchanged from where I expect them, so I've ended up remapping them 'cause I couldn't get used to it | 05:02 |
| crashsystems | anything you don't like about the x201? | 05:02 |
| akk | and Alt and Fn are interchanged compared to my Vaio, but I only count that as half a complaint because it might be the Vaio that's weird. | 05:03 |
| akk | Wait, not alt -- it's Fn and the Windows key. | 05:03 |
| akk | Which reminds me, I need to put an ubuntu sticker over that Win logo :) | 05:03 |
| crashsystems | :D | 05:04 |
| akk | (thank you mark and zareason :) | 05:04 |
| akk | And I think it's the Vaio that's weird, not the Lenovo, because the Win key is between ctrl and alt on the Lenovo and my desktop keyboard too | 05:05 |
| crashsystems | I'm thinking of getting the i7 x201, swapping out the default 4gb ram with 8gb from newegg, and perhaps one of those seagate hybrid drives. | 05:05 |
| crashsystems | plus a decent sized external screen for when I'm at home | 05:06 |
| akk | This one is the i5 with 6G (2+4, I know that means they probably can't run dual-channel) | 05:07 |
| akk | and so far, just the original drive; I have another one that I keep meaning to put in (and I hear they're easy to open but can't speak from experience yet). | 05:07 |
| akk | And the original win7 takes up WAY too much space on the disk, wish I could stuff it into a VM or something. | 05:08 |
| crashsystems | I'd be wiping the drive with Ubuntu on the first boot | 05:08 |
| akk | Oh, I have the Intel wifi (happily) but I think some of them might have Broadcom. | 05:09 |
| crashsystems | Broadcom works quite well on my dell actuall | 05:09 |
| crashsystems | actually* | 05:09 |
| akk | Ah, okay, so you're ready for that if need be. | 05:09 |
| crashsystems | yep | 05:10 |
| crashsystems | if nothing else it would be fairly inexpensive to swap it for an intel | 05:10 |
| akk | I think the only Linux-related issue I've had is that under gnome, the screen brightness kept suddenly dimming | 05:10 |
| akk | and under openbox and no-gnome, when X starts it severely dims the screen, but if I brighten it it stays bright. | 05:10 |
| crashsystems | I think there is a setting for that in gnome | 05:11 |
| akk | I wouldn't have minded if it was like a screensaver, get bright again if I move the mouse, but it would stay dim | 05:11 |
| akk | so I had to do Fn-Home about six times every few minutes | 05:11 |
| * akk wonders if there's any way to get ubuntu to make /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video/brightness be writable by someone other than root | 05:24 | |
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| Eureka | wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited | 15:16 |
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| Eureka | wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December19 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10November21 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited | 17:32 |
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| Eureka | wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat edited | 23:34 |
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