[00:04] Ubuntu-Server boots so fast. I think it is literally 2 seconds after my bios... [00:04] RHEL used to take like 2 minutes [00:06] I guess when you get rid of X, you can boot real fast :) [00:07] X doesn't take that long, but gnome does. [00:07] I'd love to get that 2-second boot, though! 10 sec is about the fastest I've heard of. [00:12] For server even? [00:12] It is crazy fast for server [00:12] BIOS takes way longer than Ubuntu :) [00:14] BIOSes are amazingly slow, some of them. [00:15] ya, that is true - particularly on the MoBo's for build-it-yourself computers [00:19] here is an ant simulator that's available in linux that isn't in the repositories. http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/main_en.html [00:19] oh, and hello, pardon my manners [00:20] haha, awesome [00:20] apparently ants separate their cemeteries and nurseries [00:21] hmmm, maybe i should send it to the mailing list [00:21] i'm not sure if it's worthy of spamming a mailbox, but then considering the general boring stuff i get in my box... [00:28] Did you create this? [00:30] jdeslip, i wish [00:31] i'm really not good at learning languages, programming included. probably because i just don't find myself "talking" to my computer much. [00:33] probably because i don't really need my computer to do anything that it can't already do, and i've already programmed a couple tiny programs... [00:35] Ya, I slowly got into programming for my desktop when I developed very specific needs :) [00:36] * seidos has a conversation with his computer [00:37] that would be a cool title for a novel "My Conversation with a Computer" or something [00:37] I wish I could adjust my wants so my computer already did all of them. :) [00:37] well, it kind of already happened in Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, i really need to finish that book [00:37] akk, what is it that you want? [00:38] well, that you're computer can't provide, obviously [00:38] seidos: I guess I could send you to my software page for a long list of the things I've (partially) added already ... more stuff all the time. [00:38] i'd love to program my computer to give me some food, but, i don't think that's going to happen :P [00:38] akk, you would have to, i don't remember your website url [00:39] E.g. just yesterday I was writing an article and got tired of having to fix all the < to < and so forth when I pasted code samples [00:39] and ended up having to write that in elisp because emacs doesn't seem to have a way to do it already. [00:39] seidos: http://shallowsky.com/software/ [00:40] that is interesting, i just thought about "knows" and memory... [00:40] knowing appears to be more involved than just memory, because if there is no capability for feeling... [00:41] then do you really know it? [00:41] just thinking about this analogy idea i had... [00:45] nuboon2age_: ping [00:45] yo DarkwingDuck [00:50] nuboon2age_: care for a PM? [00:54] DarkwingDuck: unfortunately i'm in a hurry at the moment but can try and catch up another time [00:54] nuboon2age_: roger [00:55] ty DarkwingDuck === dragon1 is now known as dragon [03:52] I'm helping someone remotely to fix a system without kernel. How do I go about doing that? [03:54] Without any kernel at all, they'll have to boot into a live cd or rescue disk. [03:54] But how did they manage to not have a kernel? [03:57] akk: I removed the -server packages and installed ubuntu-desktop. I was never warned that the system was going into an unusable state. [03:58] akk: they're booted into a liveCD and awaiting my instructions while trying to make the box accessible to me via SSH. [03:58] What does it say when it boots? Why do you say there's no kernel there? [03:59] If they're in a live CD, they can mount the real filesystem and look at /boot [03:59] and see if there are in fact any kernels there. [03:59] 1. There's no other option than memtest [03:59] Maybe grub is just pointing to the wrong one. [03:59] 2. /boot doesn't contain vmlinuz..., initrd... etc. [03:59] Wow, ubuntu-server must cover everything. [04:00] How about copying over whatever kernel the livecd has on its /boot? [04:00] (assuming there is one there) [04:00] oh also, there was no package called ubuntu-server. [04:00] LiveCD certainly has a kernel, but I'm unsure about what files to copy. Looking for an authoritative list. [04:01] vmlinuz-... and initrd-... [04:01] the other stuff in /boot (system.map, abi, config, vmcoreinfo etc.) aren't needed to boot. [04:02] so you'll need the vmlinuz and initrd, then you'll need to add a grub entry [04:05] akk: got it. What'd be an easy way to add the grub entry? sudo update-grub isn't working as expected. [04:06] akk: please hilight me if possible [04:07] It's really easy with grub1. A lot harder with grub2 since it expects to be run only from the installed system. :( [04:10] dragon: They can probably edit (on the /boot corresponding to the installed system, not the live CD) /boot/grub/grub.cfg [04:12] and add a section that looks like this (with the name of their real kernel, if it's not 25-generic): http://paste.ubuntu.com/535440/ [04:13] and with the root set to an appropriate partition, not (hd0,5) and the right UUID [04:17] akk: yes, I'll attempt that as soon as I get the SSH access. === dragon1 is now known as dragon [04:19] akk: it appears that LiveCD's /boot doesn't have those files. [04:22] liveCDs do have network drivers, though, so I'm sure you can find one to download (maybe the appropriate kernel package .deb). [04:30] It might also conceivably work to mount the real /boot over whatever is mounted from the CD, then install kernel packages and update grub (though not sure if the livecd has the appropriate grub files in /etc, might have to install/reinstall grub2 too). [04:30] install as in apt-get [04:33] akk: that sounds like something I'd have to do myself, rather than sending the instructions [04:33] I guess they're done for the evening. [04:33] I wish apt-get had warned me about removing the last kernel. [04:33] and I'm positive I installed ubuntu-desktop package. That missed out the kernels? [04:34] You should probably figure out which package it was you removed, so you won't do that again. [04:34] ubuntu-desktop is desktop stuff -- X, gnome, etc. [04:35] And it's just a meta-package -- it's one of the first things that gets removed from my systems (because I remove some things it insists on). [04:36] interesting. ubuntu-desktop recommends linux-headers-generic, but doesn't depend on it. [04:36] aptitude show ubuntu-desktop | grep linux shows only linux-headers-generic, no actual kernel packages. [04:36] So you can have ubuntu-desktop running on your system without a kernel! [04:37] Oh, you're right, even that is a recommendation. [04:37] linux-headers isn't the kernel. [04:37] linux-image is the kernel. [04:37] so it depends on the headers, not the actual kernel. [04:38] I'm starting to feel like I'm getting into trouble for recommending Ubuntu. [04:39] If you're recommending ubuntu to a newbie who isn't near you, then telling them to remove random large package sets without testing that first [04:39] then yeah, you'll probably get into trouble. [04:40] I'm all for experimenting and removing stuff, do it all the time ... but not on my mom's machine just before I leave to come back home. :) [04:41] guess so. [04:47] Anyone in here have a thinkpad x201? [04:48] o/ [04:53] Why? I quite like mine. [04:53] I'm thinking about an x201 for my next laptop [04:54] so you have an x201 akk? [04:54] Yes -- sorry, o/ means someone raising their hand. [04:55] One of those silly IRC shorthands we get used to and forget people might not know. [04:55] how is the intel gpu you running for you on 10.10? [04:55] I'm not running 10.10, sorry, just 10.04. [04:55] ok, in 10.04 then. [04:55] It works great on 10.04 -- it's a studly google earth machine. [04:55] (I'm not a gamer, so google earth is my ultimate test of 3d) [04:56] does it have an hdmi port? I seem to remember seeing that somewhere, but I'm not sure [04:56] It has this weirdo lenovo proprietary port, for which you can get an adaptor. [04:56] I'm not sure how much the adaptor costs -- I use one at work but didn't have to buy it myself. [04:57] it doesn't have a dvd drive, does it? [04:57] Oh, wait, sorry, ignorance: is HDMI the video thing, different from DVI? [04:57] yes, different from dvi [04:57] No, no optical drive at all. Though at work I have a docking station with an optical drive. [04:58] what would you say are the things you like most and least about it? [04:58] I think the answer is it doesn't have HDMI (or DVI either) built in [04:58] but you might be able to get it through a docking station [04:59] does it have standard monitor port? I'd be ok with just that [04:59] Yes, there's a standard VGA port built in. [05:00] Normal plug, no dongle or anything silly like that. [05:01] how is the keyboard? [05:02] The keyboard is fabulous. Best I've ever seen on a laptop. [05:02] :D [05:02] With one and a half exceptions: F1 and ESC are interchanged from where I expect them, so I've ended up remapping them 'cause I couldn't get used to it [05:02] anything you don't like about the x201? [05:03] and Alt and Fn are interchanged compared to my Vaio, but I only count that as half a complaint because it might be the Vaio that's weird. [05:03] Wait, not alt -- it's Fn and the Windows key. [05:03] Which reminds me, I need to put an ubuntu sticker over that Win logo :) [05:04] :D [05:04] (thank you mark and zareason :) [05:05] And I think it's the Vaio that's weird, not the Lenovo, because the Win key is between ctrl and alt on the Lenovo and my desktop keyboard too [05:05] I'm thinking of getting the i7 x201, swapping out the default 4gb ram with 8gb from newegg, and perhaps one of those seagate hybrid drives. [05:06] plus a decent sized external screen for when I'm at home [05:07] This one is the i5 with 6G (2+4, I know that means they probably can't run dual-channel) [05:07] and so far, just the original drive; I have another one that I keep meaning to put in (and I hear they're easy to open but can't speak from experience yet). [05:08] And the original win7 takes up WAY too much space on the disk, wish I could stuff it into a VM or something. [05:08] I'd be wiping the drive with Ubuntu on the first boot [05:09] Oh, I have the Intel wifi (happily) but I think some of them might have Broadcom. [05:09] Broadcom works quite well on my dell actuall [05:09] actually* [05:09] Ah, okay, so you're ready for that if need be. [05:10] yep [05:10] if nothing else it would be fairly inexpensive to swap it for an intel [05:10] I think the only Linux-related issue I've had is that under gnome, the screen brightness kept suddenly dimming [05:10] and under openbox and no-gnome, when X starts it severely dims the screen, but if I brighten it it stays bright. [05:11] I think there is a setting for that in gnome [05:11] I wouldn't have minded if it was like a screensaver, get bright again if I move the mouse, but it would stay dim [05:11] so I had to do Fn-Home about six times every few minutes [05:24] * akk wonders if there's any way to get ubuntu to make /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video/brightness be writable by someone other than root === ryaxnb7 is now known as ryaxnb === dragon1 is now known as dragon [15:16] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [17:32] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December19 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10November21 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited === mcgrof_ is now known as mcgrof [23:34] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat edited