[01:34] <cbilljones> im trying to install yesterdays daily build in virtualbox; at the moment it says "ready when you are..." last line in term is "nov 24.. ubuntu ubiquity{2422}: step_before = stepUserInfo" seems stuck
[01:43] <cbilljones> im going to try again, if it fails again ill try on an actual harddisk
[01:44] <charlie-tca> cbilljones, it will fail on hardware too
[01:44] <charlie-tca> The alternate image will install, the desktop image will fail
[01:45] <cbilljones> charlie-tca, gah ok, downloading alternate then
[01:45] <cbilljones> thanks
[01:45] <charlie-tca> Heh, two dvd-r coasters a day here.
[01:45] <cbilljones> i use usb drive :P
[01:47] <cbilljones> 1.5 hours till next attempt, dang slow internet :(
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that too
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Takes me between 4 and 6 hours to rsync images everyday now
[01:48] <cbilljones> damn :(
[01:49] <cbilljones> is compiz+unity in the daily yet?
[01:50] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure. I believe unity is, but not sure if compiz is working yet
[01:52] <cbilljones> charlie-tca, ok ill no soon; better install to hardware i guess so i can have 3d accel
[01:55] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: I know when I use zsync to download daily images I usually only have to download a small percentage of the image for the changes. rsync should be just as efficient, but there are many more http mirrors than rsync ones, so it might still be faster (less load on the server).
[01:56] <charlie-tca> Jordan_U, it is very efficient, but my connection is a lot slow
[01:57] <charlie-tca> faster I get here is 150Kb/s
[01:57] <charlie-tca> and much of the time, I am lucky to 80
[01:57] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: Also, if you use grub2 then you can just boot the daily image from the iso on your hard drive, on real hardware and without constantly copying to a flash drive.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: CDs are going to way of floppies :)
[01:58] <cbilljones> jordan_U, the sooner the better in my opinion, lol
[01:58] <charlie-tca> Um, then it will be time for me to quit. When I can't boot from USB, and don't already have an image on the hard drive, it will become useless, right?
[02:03] <charlie-tca> I know I am the only one that can't use USB yet, but ...
[02:03] <cbilljones> im sure CD will be around till you get a mobo that can ;)
[02:04] <BLZbubba> i haven't tried 10.10 yet, does it still use upstart?  if so, will 11.04 be getting rid of it?
[02:05] <BLZbubba> i would also suggest that 11.04 replace 10.04 as the LTS since it is so unreliable
[02:05] <cbilljones> next LTS is 12.04; i dont see a reason to change cycle :|
[02:06] <charlie-tca> I don't see the issues with 10.04. That is what this system has
[02:06] <cbilljones> i found 10.04 more stable than 10.10
[02:06] <charlie-tca> It runs 24-7 without issues
[02:07] <cbilljones> im having minor issues with 10.10, mainly flash stuff that worked great in 10.04
[02:07] <charlie-tca> As for 11.04, to even suggest it might be better than 10.04 before the alpha1 is questionable
[02:08] <BLZbubba> cbilljones: because upstart is totally fscking useless
[02:09] <BLZbubba> too many unbootable servers
[02:30] <Jordan_U> BLZbubba: Remember that just because X replaced Y, and you're having problems with X, doesn't mean you wouldn'
[02:31] <Jordan_U> BLZbubba: ... wouldn't be having *more* problems with Y.
[02:34] <Jordan_U> BLZbubba: And yes, 11.04 will be using upstart, and Ubuntu is not ever going to go back to SYSV init (though systemd or some other init daemon may replace upstart in the future).
[02:36] <BLZbubba> no, upstart is junk, please please get rid of it like rhel is doing for rhel7
[02:44] <BLZbubba> seriously, what will it take to get that done?  is there a suggestion box or something
[02:46] <charlie-tca> seriously, it won't happen
[02:49] <BLZbubba> "plymouth main process killed by abrt signal" & system is unbootable
[02:50] <BLZbubba> back to debian i guess.  please get rid of that fucking piece of shit upstart.  kthx
[05:06] <dan2> man
[05:06] <dan2> dunno what happened but my desktop is jacked
[05:06] <dan2> no toolbars
[05:06] <dan2> no window manager
[05:07] <dan2> anyway to get this back?
[05:25] <djohns> :o
[06:49] <lolcat> Hello
[06:49] <lolcat> Why not nautilus? It is faster than konqueror
[06:49] <lolcat> And what it untidy? and how is it bether than gnome?
[06:51] <rww> lolcat: I'm not sure why you're comparing nautilus and konqueror...
[06:52] <rww> Kubuntu 11.04's going to use Dolphin, like 10.10 does. Ubuntu 11.04's going to use Nautilus isn't it? Or is that switching to some Unity thing? Either way, not Konqueror.
[06:53] <lolcat> Im just saying, Nautilus isn't bad
[06:53] <lolcat> what is unity, how is it like?
[06:53] <rww> Couldn't say, I haven't used it on 11.04.
[06:54] <rww> (and 10.10's is very different, from what I hear)
[06:59] <rww> ta
[08:10] <Cork> how do you get around the "dbfilter_handle_status: ('ubi-migrationassistant', 141)" when running the 11.04 desktop installer?
[13:41] <phoenix_firebrd> i am trying ubunu 11.04 daily builds. in the sound settings, under output tab i see a setting called "connector" . what does this setting do or change?
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone there?
[15:28] <Gulfstream> I upgraded to Natty. I have lost the bar above the windows that had the minimize, maximiza, and close buttons. How do I get it back?
[15:32] <jussi> Gulfstream: I dont know about natty, but does "metacity --replace" or "compiz --replace" help?
[15:35] <Gulfstream> I typed in "metacity" and the window bars popped back. then I closed terminal and the process was killed =/
[15:38] <charlie-tca> hm, that is called the change to unity
[15:39] <charlie-tca> try choosing gnome session when loggin in
[15:41] <jussi> Gulfstream: alt+f2 ;)
[15:42] <Gulfstream> alt+f2 didn't bring the mini terminal up before when the bars were missing... :-(
[15:46] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: you need to delete your compiz configure file
[15:46] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: ~/.compiz
[15:50] <Gulfstream> what would the command for that happen to be?
[15:52] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: ctrl-alt-f2
[15:53] <Gulfstream> I don't think there should be the ctrl part...
[15:54] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: it will take you to tty
[15:57] <Gulfstream> is it possible to do this in Synaptic and completely remove compiz?
[16:05] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: up to you
[16:07] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: this problem is because of compiz 0.9.2 is not compatible with 0.8's configfiles
[16:08] <Gulfstream> so if I am using metacity, does compiz effect anything?
[16:12] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: y
[16:13] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: I want to make sure it is safe so I don't wreak my Ubuntu installation
[16:13] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: then why upgrade to natty?
[16:14] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: Because I accidentally upgraded to Maverick
[16:15] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: then why not stay on maverick?
[16:16] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: Because I missed the parts I had on Lucid that Maverick lacked... Natty seemed to have what I wanted
[16:17] <xray7224> I'm upgrading to natty ;)
[16:17] <wzssyqa> Gulfstream: what does maverick leak?
[16:21] <Gulfstream> wzssyqa: I would like to tell you but I don't want to make some people form a mob because of what I would say
[18:57] <hunger> yofel: Which version is your apt at? I think apt was one of the last things that got updated.
[18:57] <yofel> 0.8.9ubuntu3
[18:57] <yofel> I just ran aptitude, and that gave me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/536007/
[18:57] <hunger> yofel: I am still at 0.8.8ubuntu3... I'll download and upgrade that manually.
[19:00] <hunger> yofel: Arg!
[19:00] <hunger> yofel: Apt choked on the skype repo.
[19:00] <hunger> yofel: Removing that repo gets me 267 packages to update.
[19:00] <yofel> :/
[19:01] <hunger> yofel: The broken skype repo was never an issue before. I have that for *AGES* (since back when it used to work:-)
[19:01] <yofel> mvo: ^
[19:05] <yofel> hey, we got vim 7.3 :D
[19:49] <mvo> hunger: oh ? could you please file a bug for that
[20:07] <dsv> i booted 2.6.32-26-generic and my wifi stopped working. broadcom STA here. any ideas?
[20:08] <yofel> dsv: maverick support is in #ubuntu (you could try #ubuntu-beginners too)
[20:11] <bjsnider> maverick uses a newer kernel than that
[20:11] <bjsnider> he might be on lucid
[20:13] <yofel> er right, that's lucid..
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> I have a suggestion
[23:12] <MaximLevitsky> Currently its possible to have a live USB disk, but itsn't a real installation, more like a live CD
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> I suggest to make it possible simply to install ubuntu on a USB stick normally
[23:13] <MaximLevitsky> I know its possible but cumbersome
[23:15] <IdleOne> !usb
[23:15] <IdleOne> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[23:15] <IdleOne> ask and ye shall receive
[23:15] <IdleOne> :)
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> IdleOne: thats isn't what I want
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> With this the usb stick still has squashfs RO file, etc
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> I want to have ubuntu on the usb as if it was on hardware
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> single ext4 partition
[23:19] <MaximLevitsky> but I hate installing it there from a live cd
[23:19] <MaximLevitsky> which of course I can do
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Can't you just leave it plugged in then and use it like any other drive?
[23:20] <MaximLevitsky> charlie-tca: don't understand
[23:20] <charlie-tca> depending on the stick itself, you don't have to use it as a removable drive. You can plug it in and use it as a hard drive.
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> charlie-tca: sure, but that isn't what I try to acheeve
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> I want to have a mobile, always usable linux installation
[23:22] <MaximLevitsky> I just had a unpleasent corruption on my desktop, had to boot from usb stick
[23:22] <MaximLevitsky> And the default ubuntu sucks somewhat
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> for example I would like to install custom kernel to the stick
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> with all these caspers, etc, it all makes it harder
[23:23] <MaximLevitsky> Of course one of these days I just boot my system from live disk and install on usb stick
[23:24] <MaximLevitsky> It just was a suggestion to you to make that easier
[23:25] <charlie-tca> What about http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/
[23:25] <MaximLevitsky> users should even be able to install ubuntu on sticks in such way using windows
[23:25] <tonyyarusso> wait, what?
[23:25] <tonyyarusso> You can install Ubuntu on USB drives, and you can't do so with Windows last I checked.
[23:26] <MaximLevitsky> In summary I want to point out that I think that liveCD and liveUSB are very different
[23:26] <tonyyarusso> MaximLevitsky: To install to a USB drive, just select the proper disk device when partitioning.  It's easy.
[23:27] <MaximLevitsky> Of course, but my suggetion was to make it possible to do that without boot from liveCD
[23:27] <tonyyarusso> I don't understand.
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> You want to install an Ubuntu system on a USB drive, yes?
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> Yes
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> I run ubuntu now too
[23:28] <IdleOne> you mean download the iso, save it to the usb, boot from it and install the system to the usb
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so what's stopping you?
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> No, thats what I want:
[23:28] <MaximLevitsky> 1. download the iso
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> 2. run installer from that iso using my ubuntu system and install it to the usb drive as if it was hard disk
[23:29] <MaximLevitsky> boot from usb stick and use it as if it was hard disk
[23:30] <tonyyarusso> Oh, you want to be able to run the installer as if it was a program, not a fully booted environment, having nothing to do with USB disks or not.
[23:30] <MaximLevitsky> Something like that, even better to have the 'installer' as a package on the system
[23:31] <MaximLevitsky> a part of usb-creater