[09:34] aloha folks [09:39] hello [10:04] morning [10:09] hows folks [10:09] bitter cold over here [10:13] morning [10:13] aye, get used to the cold [10:13] hows folks ? [10:14] ime during the winter dublin is usually warmer and dryer than the UK [10:14] nods [10:14] how are the teeth? [10:18] damn sore [10:18] need to get it removed soon [10:18] I just need to work up courage for this to happen [10:18] and swelling to go down so I can open my mouth [10:19] failing that, pain can be a good motivator [10:19] aye.... [10:21] ebel's off to get his sorted this evening [10:21] yarp [10:21] will be late to ubuntu hour at least [10:22] now now ebel, she's not in the west-country [10:22] czajkowski: ☹ go to the dentist, you'll feel better [10:22] I did [10:22] I got an antibiotic and told I need it removed [10:25] Good luck! Hope you feel better soon [10:26] aye thanks [10:26] trying to decide now do I get uk health insurance [10:26] or pay vhi back home for worldwide insurnance [10:27] you don't need uk health insurance [10:27] you're paying for the NHS whether you like it or not, and it's not too bad [10:28] but don't hold out for an NHS dentish, they are a rare find [10:28] dentist* [10:28] czajkowski: some health insurance companies here might do a UK & Ireland cover [10:28] slashtom: see I'm kinda confused [10:28] I dont know if I get nhs cover or not [10:29] slashtom: Really? [10:29] slashtom: Took me a day or 2 [10:29] Also, you might have some form of international cover already with VHI. But some only cover for 90 days out of the country. [10:29] davisc: seems to depend on the area [10:29] a day or 2 for what? [10:30] czajkowski: even if you're not resident, there are reciprical agreements in place between britain and ireland [10:30] (with the nhs) [10:30] so you're treated as a regular british patient and are covered [10:31] ahhh [10:31] pl [10:31] ok [10:32] so that's free GP visits, prescriptions for £7 (yes, you will have to pay), etc [10:33] of course, you're paying for it with your tax [10:33] well went to dentist yesterday [10:33] it was 26 for visit [10:33] and 6.40 for prescription [10:33] so not bad [10:34] and you may find that GPs tend to rush you out and fob you off with a simple prescription, you don't get the same service you would here [10:34] oh, are you registered fora GP? [10:34] nope [10:34] went to a dentist [10:34] private one [10:34] you must register for a GP ASAP [10:34] as that's what I could get ASAP [10:34] and within 1 hour [10:34] slashtom: why ? [10:34] because everyone needs a GP [10:35] this was the bit that confused me here, was that you don't need to register [10:37] you cannot just turn up to a GPs clinic and expect an appointment [10:37] you must be registered, there is a system! ;) [10:37] who is heading along tonight [10:38] * slashtom is [10:38] 7pm [10:38] sorry, i'm not registered for the event on the loco [10:38] slashtom: oh how odd [10:39] czajkowski: i know it was strange when slashtom was asking how to register for a gp here. [10:39] czajkowski: the gp might not see you (?) if you're not on their list of patients. [10:39] you're kidding [10:39] odd [10:40] and you only get one GP/surgery [10:40] slashtom: good stuff i will see you there at around 714 [10:40] you cannot register at one near home and one near work [10:40] czajkowski: ergo, try to get on a list before you get sick and need to see one :P [10:40] ok tdr112, ebel will be late and not drinking [10:40] slashtom: any idea how I find a list of local GPs so [10:41] http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1095.aspx?categoryID=68&subCategoryID=158 [10:41] czajkowski: in the UK GPs work out of a 'surgery' with many other GPs. [10:42] my old GP was in a medical centre, which had several GPs surgeries, and things like blood testing on site (also had a car park, which was very handy) [10:42] Unlike here, it's not just an extension on the side of their house. [10:42] aye, they tend to work 6-10 in one surgery [10:45] ebel: Our doc at home works out of a surgery - and always has [10:46] davisc: ah ok. i'm going on what slashtom says :P [10:47] aye my old gp had a surgey 3 of them there [10:47] also working in the health service showed me both sides of the coins [10:51] slashtom: thanks [10:52] np, and don't forget my tips about car ownership if you get yourself one [10:55] will be a few months before I buy on e [10:55] one [10:56] lo [11:02] * czajkowski ebel you need to mail or pm huats re your contact info like name and address so stuff can be mailed to you [11:02] czajkowski: for what? loco banner stuff? [11:03] yes [11:03] damn thought that was pm [11:03] sorry [11:24] sorted out the confusion for the banner [11:57] ebel: can you or someone post http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=823 [11:57] think it would be usefil [11:58] jtoomey: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=823 [12:00] czajkowski: hey - looks interesting! [12:04] yup [12:04] so they should be able to point you and others in the right direction [12:04] if yoiu follow them [12:59] Hi all [12:59] aloha [13:00] How's it going? :) [13:00] not too bad [13:00] pretty out [13:01] out? [13:01] outside [13:01] Ohhh [13:01] Yeah it's ok here [13:01] Kind of cold [13:01] oh tis cold [13:01] Or well cold inside my house :) [13:01] but it's crisp [13:01] no rain [13:02] Yeah same here [13:02] Surprising for Cork :P [13:05] czajkowski: Do you know what most Ubuntu devs user for development. Emacs, Vi, etc? [13:07] ShaneM: each has their own choice tbh [13:07] I've seen a lotta folks use Vi [13:07] but I also know it's a very split choice, folks like one or the other [13:08] So there's now like "Oh we use CMake for building, but you can use any editior you want"? [13:08] *no like [13:08] aye [13:08] Just wondering, since I'm coding in any text editor and using CMake. [13:08] Just wanted to know if that was normal or what. [13:12] ShaneM: you should idele in #ubuntu-devel and ask stuff [13:12] Good plan :) [13:14] :) [13:14] then you can learn more [13:14] and they offer mentoring [13:40] mentoring would be handy I think [13:41] yup [13:41] ShaneM: you can ask dhoblach he would know more [13:42] So I just message him in the IRC? [13:42] *should [13:43] ShaneM: well in main channel just ask him for advice or point you in the right direction [13:43] Alrighty :) [13:44] Should I say you pointed me toward him or is that not important? [13:44] nope not at all [13:44] say you're in ireland loco and looking to learn more [13:45] can he point you in the right direction [13:45] student ]looking for mentoring [13:45] Alrighty [13:45] Thanks [13:46] np [13:54] czajkowski: I just sent a message and I'm talking to him now [13:57] great [16:57] czajkowski: When does the heanet stream start? [16:57] it's over [16:57] Aww [16:57] was on earlier on [16:57] :( [16:57] I went off into a dreamworld there [16:58] czajkowski: Overview anywhere, rte or something? [17:00] The leaflet version of 4 yrplan? [17:00] http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1124/Leaflet.pdf [17:05] Reducing minimum wage, that's pretty rough. [17:05] not really [17:05] it's one of the highest out there [17:05] Yeah I know that [17:05] But I don't think things will get any cheaper here. [17:05] And meaning Irish business can't compete with the North [17:05] Things *have* got cheaper at home [17:06] they're still expensive but they have gotten cheaper [17:06] just means we were paying for things at a stupidly high price [17:08] looks like I'll be joining you in UK (hopefully in very short time) [17:12] lau1: you leaving.. [17:12] likely yes [17:13] wow [17:13] well there is little hope of a job here at the moment [17:14] a good few possibilities in UK or Mainland [17:14] back to france [17:15] not that likely for france [17:18] we're still hiring [17:18] davisc: http://www.dcleisurecentres.co.uk/Offers/Offers+Home [17:19] slashtom I am not in standard IT most of the shops here have cut back [17:19] the only ones hiring are UK and Ueurope [17:20] what are you looking for? [17:20] Thank fuck! TOL is back [17:21] localisation [17:22] czajkowski: None near me [17:22] Lol wtf student fees from 400 to 2000. Sure no one is going to be able to afford college now. [17:23] i thought it was from €1500 to €2000? [17:23] davisc: TOL [17:23] slashtom: Just watching it from here http://www.rte.ie/news/player_newsnow.html [17:24] Either way still 2000 [17:24] register has gone us since my bf at the time paid 70 quid [17:24] to 1000 registeration fees [17:24] ShaneM: time some students got a job during the summer [17:24] bloody gob smacking the number of students not working during summer [17:25] czajkowski: Tomás O'Leary [17:25] From being a student, alot of people won't hire you during the summer because you're going to be there for a few months [17:25] ahh ok was wondering context [17:25] I had a job, for three of the four years. [17:25] But like wasn't that easy to find one. [17:25] ShaneM: been there and they do you just need to apply early [17:25] €2000/year is still pretty cheap for university education ime [17:26] Not really so cheap when you're poor :P [17:26] ShaneM: aye but in ireladn they don't have the student loans the way they do in UK or USA [17:26] where you pay them back after college [17:26] * slashtom is still repaying his loan for university [17:26] i graduated in 2004, and will be repayibng it for another 10 years [17:26] slashtom: Where did you go to college? [17:26] slashtom: that option isn't here in ireland [17:26] aberystwyth [17:27] to get a loan? [17:27] to pay it off that long [17:27] the length of time i'm paying it back over is due to the size of it [17:28] I took one out when I repated [17:28] 5K [17:28] paid it off while I was in college [17:28] I am debt free [17:28] are there any countries where you can go through college without incuring debt? [17:28] Ireland [17:29] I graduated with no debt [17:29] How did you support yourself during college? [17:29] worked part time in Maplin [17:29] and lived at home [17:30] home was 200km from where i was studying :) [17:30] ah [17:30] I don't think you can graduate without debt if you live away from home. [17:30] see, mine was more like 3 :p [17:30] Unless you work a second job and sec stressed out like crazy. [17:31] I lived close to collegte [17:31] and had a part time job (ents) all the way through college [17:34] the uk loan thing is from the government [17:35] here you have to borrow from banks etx [17:35] aye [17:36] in .au it's based on a tax syste, [17:40] train time [17:40] toodles [17:42] Bye [20:36] Are non lts ubuntu releases supported for 18 months? [21:06] Belserusk: yep [21:06] but most move on as soon as the next release comes out [21:07] fagan, Thanks. Yes that is true in most cases. [21:07] fagan: no they dont [21:07] czajkowski: if they need to idle on a release they do on the LTS releases since they have less bugs [21:08] the normal releases never really keep the users for the entire supported period [21:13] fagan, Do you know what is this 'apt' for PCLinuxOS? http://i.imgur.com/JV0mP.gif [21:15] Belserusk: I dont have a clue about PCLinuxOS but id say they use apt as their package management system [21:16] fagan, ok. Ta. [21:17] Belserusk: I just looked at distrowatch and they use rpm but they call their development release apt for some reason [21:19] fagan, Yes. It is strange.