[09:34] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[09:39] <lau1> hello
[10:04] <tdr112> morning
[10:09] <czajkowski> hows folks
[10:09] <czajkowski> bitter cold over here
[10:13] <slashtom> morning
[10:13] <slashtom> aye, get used to the cold
[10:13] <czajkowski> hows folks ?
[10:14] <slashtom> ime during the winter dublin is usually warmer and dryer than the UK
[10:14] <czajkowski> nods
[10:14] <slashtom> how are the teeth?
[10:18] <czajkowski> damn sore
[10:18] <czajkowski> need to get it removed soon
[10:18] <czajkowski> I just need to work up courage for this to happen
[10:18] <czajkowski> and swelling to go down so I can open my mouth
[10:19] <slashtom> failing that, pain can be a good motivator
[10:19] <czajkowski> aye....
[10:21] <slashtom> ebel's off to get his sorted this evening
[10:21] <ebel> yarp
[10:21] <ebel> will be late to ubuntu hour at least
[10:22] <slashtom> now now ebel, she's not in the west-country
[10:22] <ebel> czajkowski: ☹ go to the dentist, you'll feel better
[10:22] <czajkowski> I did
[10:22] <czajkowski> I got an antibiotic and told I need it removed
[10:25] <ebel> Good luck! Hope you feel better soon
[10:26] <czajkowski> aye thanks
[10:26] <czajkowski> trying to decide now do I get uk health insurance
[10:26] <czajkowski> or pay vhi back home for worldwide insurnance
[10:27] <slashtom> you don't need uk health insurance
[10:27] <slashtom> you're paying for the NHS whether you like it or not, and it's not too bad
[10:28] <slashtom> but don't hold out for an NHS dentish, they are a rare find
[10:28] <slashtom> dentist*
[10:28] <ebel> czajkowski: some health insurance companies here might do a UK & Ireland cover
[10:28] <czajkowski> slashtom: see I'm kinda confused
[10:28] <czajkowski> I dont know if I get nhs cover or not
[10:29] <davisc> slashtom: Really?
[10:29] <davisc> slashtom: Took me a day or 2
[10:29] <ebel> Also, you might have some form of international cover already with VHI. But some only cover for 90 days out of the country.
[10:29] <czajkowski> davisc: seems to depend on the area
[10:29] <slashtom> a day or 2 for what?
[10:30] <slashtom> czajkowski: even if you're not resident, there are reciprical agreements in place between britain and ireland
[10:30] <slashtom> (with the nhs)
[10:30] <slashtom> so you're treated as a regular british patient and are covered
[10:31] <czajkowski> ahhh
[10:31] <czajkowski> pl
[10:31] <czajkowski> ok
[10:32] <slashtom> so that's free GP visits, prescriptions for £7 (yes, you will have to pay), etc
[10:33] <slashtom> of course, you're paying for it with your tax
[10:33] <czajkowski> well went to dentist yesterday
[10:33] <czajkowski> it was 26 for visit
[10:33] <czajkowski> and 6.40 for prescription
[10:33] <czajkowski> so not bad
[10:34] <slashtom> and you may find that GPs tend to rush you out and fob you off with a simple prescription, you don't get the same service you would here
[10:34] <slashtom> oh, are you registered fora GP?
[10:34] <czajkowski> nope
[10:34] <czajkowski> went to a dentist
[10:34] <czajkowski> private one
[10:34] <slashtom> you must register for a GP ASAP
[10:34] <czajkowski> as that's what I could get ASAP
[10:34] <czajkowski> and within 1 hour
[10:34] <czajkowski> slashtom: why ?
[10:34] <slashtom> because everyone needs a GP
[10:35] <slashtom> this was the bit that confused me here, was that you don't need to register
[10:37] <slashtom> you cannot just turn up to a GPs clinic and expect an appointment
[10:37] <slashtom> you must be registered, there is a system! ;)
[10:37] <tdr112> who is heading along tonight
[10:38]  * slashtom is
[10:38] <slashtom> 7pm
[10:38] <slashtom> sorry, i'm not registered for the event on the loco
[10:38] <czajkowski> slashtom: oh how odd
[10:39] <ebel> czajkowski: i know it was strange when slashtom was asking how to register for a gp here.
[10:39] <ebel> czajkowski: the gp might not see you (?) if you're not on their list of patients.
[10:39] <czajkowski> you're kidding
[10:39] <czajkowski> odd
[10:40] <slashtom> and you only get one GP/surgery
[10:40] <tdr112> slashtom: good stuff i will see you there at around 714
[10:40] <slashtom> you cannot register at one near home and one near work
[10:40] <ebel> czajkowski: ergo, try to get on a list before you get sick and need to see one :P
[10:40] <slashtom> ok tdr112, ebel will be late and not drinking
[10:40] <czajkowski> slashtom: any idea how I find a list of local GPs so
[10:41] <slashtom> http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1095.aspx?categoryID=68&subCategoryID=158
[10:41] <ebel> czajkowski: in the UK GPs work out of a 'surgery' with many other GPs.
[10:42] <slashtom> my old GP was in a medical centre, which had several GPs surgeries, and things like blood testing on site (also had a car park, which was very handy)
[10:42] <ebel> Unlike here, it's not just an extension on the side of their house.
[10:42] <slashtom> aye, they tend to work 6-10 in one surgery
[10:45] <davisc> ebel: Our doc at home works out of a surgery - and always has
[10:46] <ebel> davisc: ah ok. i'm going on what slashtom says :P
[10:47] <czajkowski> aye my old gp had a surgey 3 of them there
[10:47] <czajkowski> also working in the health service showed me both sides of the coins
[10:51] <czajkowski> slashtom: thanks
[10:52] <slashtom> np, and don't forget my tips about car ownership if you get yourself one
[10:55] <czajkowski> will be a few months before I buy on e
[10:55] <czajkowski> one
[10:56] <jtoomey> lo
[11:02]  * czajkowski ebel you need to mail or pm huats re your contact info like name and address so stuff can be mailed to you
[11:02] <ebel> czajkowski: for what? loco banner stuff?
[11:03] <czajkowski> yes
[11:03] <czajkowski> damn thought that was pm
[11:03] <czajkowski> sorry
[11:24] <ebel> sorted out the confusion for the banner
[11:57] <czajkowski> ebel: can you or someone post http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=823
[11:57] <czajkowski> think it would be usefil
[11:58] <czajkowski> jtoomey: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=823
[12:00] <jtoomey> czajkowski: hey - looks interesting!
[12:04] <czajkowski> yup
[12:04] <czajkowski> so they should be able to point you and others in the right direction
[12:04] <czajkowski> if yoiu follow them
[12:59] <ShaneM> Hi all
[12:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:00] <ShaneM> How's it going? :)
[13:00] <czajkowski> not too bad
[13:00] <czajkowski> pretty out
[13:01] <ShaneM> out?
[13:01] <czajkowski> outside
[13:01] <ShaneM> Ohhh
[13:01] <ShaneM> Yeah it's ok here
[13:01] <ShaneM> Kind of cold
[13:01] <czajkowski> oh tis cold
[13:01] <ShaneM> Or well cold inside my house :)
[13:01] <czajkowski> but it's crisp
[13:01] <czajkowski> no rain
[13:02] <ShaneM> Yeah same here
[13:02] <ShaneM> Surprising for Cork :P
[13:05] <ShaneM> czajkowski: Do you know what most Ubuntu devs user for development. Emacs, Vi, etc?
[13:07] <czajkowski> ShaneM: each has their own choice tbh
[13:07] <czajkowski> I've seen a lotta folks use Vi
[13:07] <czajkowski> but I also know it's a very split choice, folks like one or the other
[13:08] <ShaneM> So there's now like "Oh we use CMake for building, but you can use any editior you want"?
[13:08] <ShaneM> *no like
[13:08] <czajkowski> aye
[13:08] <ShaneM> Just wondering, since I'm coding in any text editor and using CMake.
[13:08] <ShaneM> Just wanted to know if that was normal or what.
[13:12] <czajkowski> ShaneM: you should idele in #ubuntu-devel and ask stuff
[13:12] <ShaneM> Good plan :)
[13:14] <czajkowski> :)
[13:14] <czajkowski> then you can learn more
[13:14] <czajkowski> and they offer mentoring
[13:40] <ShaneM> mentoring would be handy I think
[13:41] <czajkowski> yup
[13:41] <czajkowski> ShaneM: you can ask dhoblach he would know more
[13:42] <ShaneM> So I just message him in the IRC?
[13:42] <ShaneM> *should
[13:43] <czajkowski> ShaneM: well in main channel just ask him for advice or point you in the right direction
[13:43] <ShaneM> Alrighty :)
[13:44] <ShaneM> Should I say you pointed me toward him or is that not important?
[13:44] <czajkowski> nope not at all
[13:44] <czajkowski> say you're in ireland loco and looking to learn more
[13:45] <czajkowski> can he point you in the right direction
[13:45] <czajkowski> student ]looking for mentoring
[13:45] <ShaneM> Alrighty
[13:45] <ShaneM> Thanks
[13:46] <czajkowski> np
[13:54] <ShaneM> czajkowski: I just sent a message and I'm talking to him now
[13:57] <czajkowski> great
[16:57] <ShaneM> czajkowski: When does the heanet stream start?
[16:57] <czajkowski> it's over
[16:57] <ShaneM> Aww
[16:57] <czajkowski> was on earlier on
[16:57] <ShaneM> :(
[16:57] <ShaneM> I went off into a dreamworld there
[16:58] <ShaneM> czajkowski: Overview anywhere, rte or something?
[17:00] <czajkowski> The leaflet version of 4 yrplan?
[17:00] <czajkowski> http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1124/Leaflet.pdf
[17:05] <ShaneM> Reducing minimum wage, that's pretty rough.
[17:05] <czajkowski> not really
[17:05] <czajkowski> it's one of the highest out there
[17:05] <ShaneM> Yeah I know that
[17:05] <ShaneM> But I don't think things will get any cheaper here.
[17:05] <davisc> And meaning Irish business can't compete with the North
[17:05] <davisc> Things *have* got cheaper at home
[17:06] <czajkowski> they're still expensive but they have gotten cheaper
[17:06] <czajkowski> just means we were paying for things at a stupidly high price
[17:08] <lau1> looks like I'll be joining you in UK (hopefully in very short time)
[17:12] <czajkowski> lau1: you leaving..
[17:12] <lau1> likely yes
[17:13] <czajkowski> wow
[17:13] <lau1> well there is little hope of a job here at the moment
[17:14] <lau1> a good few possibilities in UK or Mainland
[17:14] <czajkowski> back to france
[17:15] <lau1> not that likely for france
[17:18] <slashtom> we're still hiring
[17:18] <czajkowski> davisc: http://www.dcleisurecentres.co.uk/Offers/Offers+Home
[17:19] <lau1> slashtom I am not in standard IT  most of the shops here have cut back
[17:19] <lau1> the only ones hiring are UK and Ueurope
[17:20] <slashtom> what are you looking for?
[17:20] <davisc> Thank fuck! TOL is back
[17:21] <lau1> localisation
[17:22] <davisc> czajkowski: None near me
[17:22] <ShaneM> Lol wtf student fees from 400 to 2000. Sure no one is going to be able to afford college now.
[17:23] <slashtom> i thought it was from €1500 to €2000?
[17:23] <czajkowski> davisc: TOL
[17:23] <ShaneM> slashtom: Just watching it from here http://www.rte.ie/news/player_newsnow.html
[17:24] <ShaneM> Either way still 2000
[17:24] <czajkowski> register has gone us since my bf at the time paid 70 quid
[17:24] <czajkowski> to 1000 registeration fees
[17:24] <czajkowski> ShaneM: time some students got a job during the summer
[17:24] <czajkowski> bloody gob smacking the number of students not working during summer
[17:25] <davisc> czajkowski: Tomás O'Leary
[17:25] <ShaneM> From being a student, alot of people won't hire you during the summer because you're going to be there for a few months
[17:25] <czajkowski> ahh ok was wondering context
[17:25] <ShaneM> I had a job, for three of the four years.
[17:25] <ShaneM> But like wasn't that easy to find one.
[17:25] <czajkowski> ShaneM: been there and they do you just need to apply early
[17:25] <slashtom> €2000/year is still pretty cheap for university education ime
[17:26] <ShaneM> Not really so cheap when you're poor :P
[17:26] <czajkowski> ShaneM: aye but in ireladn they don't have the student loans the way they do in UK or USA
[17:26] <czajkowski> where you pay them back after college
[17:26]  * slashtom is still repaying his loan for university
[17:26] <slashtom> i graduated in 2004, and will be repayibng it for another 10 years
[17:26] <ShaneM> slashtom: Where did you go to college?
[17:26] <czajkowski> slashtom: that option isn't here in ireland
[17:26] <slashtom> aberystwyth
[17:27] <slashtom> to get a loan?
[17:27] <czajkowski> to pay it off that long
[17:27] <slashtom> the length of time i'm paying it back over is due to the size of it
[17:28] <czajkowski> I took one out when I repated
[17:28] <czajkowski> 5K
[17:28] <czajkowski> paid it off while I was in college
[17:28] <terran> I am debt free
[17:28] <slashtom> are there any countries where you can go through college without incuring debt?
[17:28] <terran> Ireland
[17:29] <terran> I graduated with no debt
[17:29] <davisc> How did you support yourself during college?
[17:29] <terran> worked part time in Maplin
[17:29] <terran> and lived at home
[17:30] <slashtom> home was 200km from where i was studying :)
[17:30] <terran> ah
[17:30] <ShaneM> I don't think you can graduate without debt if you live away from home.
[17:30] <terran> see, mine was more like 3 :p
[17:30] <ShaneM> Unless you work a second job and sec stressed out like crazy.
[17:31] <czajkowski> I lived close to collegte
[17:31] <czajkowski> and had a part time job (ents) all the way through college
[17:34] <ebel> the uk loan thing is from the government
[17:35] <ebel> here you have to borrow from banks etx
[17:35] <czajkowski> aye
[17:36] <ebel> in .au it's based on a tax syste,
[17:40] <czajkowski> train time
[17:40] <czajkowski> toodles
[17:42] <ShaneM> Bye
[20:36] <Belserusk> Are non lts ubuntu releases supported for 18 months?
[21:06] <fagan> Belserusk: yep
[21:06] <fagan> but most move on as soon as the next release comes out
[21:07] <Belserusk> fagan, Thanks. Yes that is true in most cases.
[21:07] <czajkowski> fagan: no they dont
[21:07] <fagan> czajkowski: if they need to idle on a release they do on the LTS releases since they have less bugs
[21:08] <fagan> the normal releases never really keep the users for the entire supported period
[21:13] <Belserusk> fagan, Do you know what is this 'apt' for PCLinuxOS? http://i.imgur.com/JV0mP.gif
[21:15] <fagan> Belserusk: I dont have a clue about PCLinuxOS but id say they use apt as their package management system
[21:16] <Belserusk> fagan, ok. Ta.
[21:17] <fagan> Belserusk: I just looked at distrowatch and they use rpm but they call their development release apt for some reason
[21:19] <Belserusk> fagan, Yes. It is strange.