[16:00] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <jhunt> hi
[16:03] <barry> hi
[16:03] <doko> hi
[16:06] <Keybuk> hi
[16:06] <cjwatson> hi, sorry I'm late, was helping out support
[16:06] <cjwatson> is Robbie here?
[16:07] <jhunt> no sign in London :)
[16:07] <mvo> he is on vacation
[16:07] <mvo> I think
[16:07]  * mvo checks the calendar
[16:07] <mvo> yep, all week
[16:09] <jhunt> Apologies for absence on behalf of ev - he's not allowed into the building (looks too much like a student clearly :)
[16:09] <mvo> sounds like a quick meeting then, half the team is on vac or strike :P
[16:10] <doko> strike?
[16:10] <mvo> (or preparing for a TV career)
[16:10] <mvo> doko: ev is out in millbank with the students
[16:10] <jhunt> he's back!
[16:10] <doko> milksop ...
[16:11] <cjwatson> ah, well in that case TBH the only thing I have to say is that we have alpha-1 next week and it would actually be kinda nice if the archive were vaguely installable
[16:11] <mvo> doko: haha - I learned a new word today
[16:11] <cjwatson> if people could look through the uninstallables list and try to poke things into workingness, that would be appreciated
[16:12] <barry> note: it's thanksgiving in the usa tomorrow so i'm out thu & fri
[16:13] <cjwatson> is anyone feeling stuck on anything?
[16:13] <doko> that's http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html
[16:14] <doko> barry: no thanks before giving me python3.2
[16:14] <barry> doko: yeah, the --enable-shared bug is unrelated, so i'll commit that patch rsn
[16:15] <doko> barry: which bug number is this?
[16:15] <cjwatson> actually, here
[16:15] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:15] <barry> doko: http://bugs.python.org/issue10520
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[16:15] <cjwatson> since we're all here anyway
[16:15] <mvo> that list does not look too bad currently
[16:16] <cjwatson> can we have a quick lightning round?  I want to make sure I'm ready to do a team report on Friday in case we end up having the release meeting after all
[16:16] <cjwatson> mvo: can you go first?
[16:16] <mvo> sure
[16:16] <mvo> slightly shorter week, friday off; apt: added apt-get changelogs and apt-get download, uploaded to natty; some merges; work on rnr-server (review, landed "make-lint" branch); software-center: bugfix, test-improvements, use native python-apt tagfile parser (quicker); synaptic: work on gtk3 branch; Vmbuilder: upload natty version (that can build natty and maverick VMs) and SRU maverick so that we can have maverick VMs on a maverick host (sic!)
[16:16] <mvo> ; Work on msttcorefonts SRU for #670629
[16:16] <mvo> (done)
[16:17] <mvo> I would have liked to talked abut vmbuilder with robbie
[16:17] <cjwatson> about who's maintaining it, you mean?
[16:17] <mvo> yeah
[16:17] <mvo> that someone should maintian it enough so that on a new release a target for that is added
[16:17] <mvo> I'm happy to do that myself if I get access to trunk
[16:17] <mvo> need to have another word with soren I guess
[16:17] <mvo> but ideally it would be someone using it more
[16:18] <mvo> I just need it for my auto-upgrade base images
[16:18] <cjwatson> ok, I'll assume that's still on your to-do list - we ought to at least be able to do that level of maintenance routinely, perhaps put it on NewReleaseCycleProcess as a reminder?
[16:18] <mvo> sounds good
[16:18] <cjwatson> jhunt: ?
[16:19] <jhunt> Half day spent on lp:#674146 (put on hold for now), plymouth
[16:19] <jhunt> investigations (including reviewing cjwatsons plymouth-upstart-bridge
[16:19] <jhunt> upstart+plymouth branches+patches), wrote Plymouth wiki page after
[16:19] <jhunt> research (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth), Fixed bug in
[16:19] <jhunt> lp:ubuntu/plymouth only to find it was fixed in lp:plymouth :-(, lots of
[16:19] <jhunt> upstart code reading and investigations (creating debug env, testing,
[16:19] <jhunt> prepping a new upstart manual page ("init-examples"), wrote a
[16:19] <jhunt> bash-completion script for upstart (to be sent to Debian via cjwatson?)
[16:19] <cjwatson> s/ via cjwatson/ in a bug report/ I think, but our packaging is sufficiently independent of Debian's AIUI that it should go in there directly too
[16:20] <cjwatson> or else put it in the upstream source ...
[16:20] <cjwatson> (but you/Keybuk know better about that than I)
[16:20] <Keybuk> packaging of bash-completion?
[16:20]  * mvo added vmbuidler to NewReleaseCycleProcess? now
[16:21] <cjwatson> I think it's usual to just have  bashcompletiondir = $(sysconfdir)/bash_completion.d \n bashcompletion_DATA = upstart  in a Makefile.am somewhere
[16:21] <cjwatson> or words to that effect
[16:22] <Keybuk> it seems that bash-completion supplies all of its completions
[16:22] <Keybuk> so it should go in there, no?
[16:22] <Keybuk> otherwise upstart would grow files for every single possible shell
[16:22] <cjwatson> um, it's mixed
[16:22] <cjwatson> but either's valid
[16:22] <cjwatson> grub ships a bash-completion file of its own; sometimes what the completions should be is tied relatively closely to the version of the software being completed, IYSWIM
[16:23] <cjwatson> I'm sure the bash-completion maintainers would take a patch if you prefer that though
[16:23] <cjwatson> anyway, let's continue
[16:23] <cjwatson> barry: ?
[16:23] <Keybuk> I prefer that
[16:23] <barry> was out sick a few days.  subversion (fixed) and vte (inprogress) ftbfs.  bug 662611 (virtualenv incompatibility). python issue 9807 to land and close today.  sbuild/schroot backporting for session keeping on build failure.  off thu & fri due to usa holiday. done.
[16:24] <barry> vte is bug 674175
[16:24] <cjwatson> barry: thanks.  (one of these days I must convert my shonky local chroot setup to sbuild/schroot.)
[16:24] <barry> cjwatson: the version in natty is very cool
[16:24]  * mvo too
[16:24] <cjwatson> my updates:
[16:24] <cjwatson> done: new grub2 snapshot, lots of upstream build fixes since I haven't done new snapshots for three months so of course it all stopped working; fixed rsyslog so installer is debuggable again; SRU catchup
[16:25] <cjwatson> todo: assemble initial blacklist for grub2-boot-framebuffer and package it somewhere; patch pilot morning on Tuesday; apparently I'm driving archive admin stuff for alpha-1
[16:25] <cjwatson> --
[16:25] <cjwatson> (so this means I will be sweating over hot CD images next week, and grab me this week instead if you want me for anything non-trivial :-/)
[16:25] <cjwatson> doko: ?
[16:25]  * barry is patch piloting on monday
[16:25] <doko> spent most time on an internal project, plus openjdk-6 security updates, merges, submit bug reports to debian, armel fix, upstream binutils and gcc fix, prepare python3.2 update (before thanksgiving)
[16:25] <doko> --
[16:26] <doko> toolchain armel fixes are these
[16:28] <cjwatson> doko: thanks.  are we targeting python3.2 as the only python3 version in natty?
[16:28] <barry> +1
[16:29] <doko> cjwatson: I'm trying, yes. will make it the default when 3.2beta1 is release
[16:29] <doko> d
[16:29] <cjwatson> doko: *nod*
[16:29] <cjwatson> Keybuk: ?
[16:33]  * cjwatson guesses the Millbank student mob has got hungry and eaten Keybuk
[16:33] <apw> Keybuk is in the wrong os .... and doing a presentation
[16:34] <cjwatson> oh, the tech talk
[16:34] <cjwatson> of course
[16:34] <cjwatson> ok, aob?
[16:36] <cjwatson> I'll take that as a no
[16:36] <cjwatson> thanks all
[16:36] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:36.
[16:36] <barry> thanks
[16:37] <mvo> thanks
[19:01] <highvoltage> Anyone present for Edubuntu meeting?
[19:25]  * mhall119 is late
[19:26] <mhall119> and I have nothing to report
[19:27]  * alkisg is too late :D
[19:28] <highvoltage> seems like most were :)
[19:28] <highvoltage> what the heck, I'll post a small summary anyway.
[19:29] <highvoltage> * Current daily builds are broken due to a broken dependency in sabayon (broke with sync from debian that has packaging differences) (should be fine tomorrow again)
[19:29] <highvoltage> * For alpha 1 things are kind of shakey since natty isn't really in a fantastic state atm but it's the first alpha so it's completely expected
[19:30] <highvoltage> (alpha 1 is scheduled for 2 December)
[19:31] <highvoltage> hmm, that's actually all that comes to mind :)
[19:32] <highvoltage> besides a blog post on ltsp fat clients that I'll post a bit later (just going to show it to stgraber to make sure that I don't say anything completely wrong in there) before posting it
[19:32] <highvoltage> it answers some of the same questions we get over and over on the edubuntu-users list :)
[19:35] <mhall119> I haven't checked the daily lately, have they landed gnome 3 yet?
[19:36] <mhall119> last time I checked, it wasn't even in the natty repos
[19:37] <highvoltage> mhall119: gnome-shell is currently broken, gnome3-session almost kind of works, there are big parts there but it's incomplete
[19:37] <highvoltage> there's also edubuntu-council renewal,
[19:37] <mhall119> okay, I'll give it another try, as long as dconf/GSettings is there and the panels/desktop are using it, I should be able to get started
[19:38] <highvoltage> I'm not 100% sure what the exact outcome will be. the CC will re-elect current council (minus Richard who is stepping down), and we only had mgariepy being nominated so we'll wait on the CC for further instructions